TALOS specs and information has been released.
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php
Completely open and blobless operation right down to the firmware, all of which is customizable.
Are you hype?
Here's the backplate.
>>54402848
$3,000
Why is freetard shit always prohibitively expensive?
>>54402871
Because this is a minimum 64 thread 3.2GHz CPU?
How shit is the CPU? Is it on par with a desktop intel i3 or is it weaker than that?
>>54402881
It's not just this, it's in general. There's a rather large correlation between "muh open sores hardware" and "insane prices".
This device may, actually, possibly command the asking price, but I wouldn't hold my breath until some real world performance info comes out.
Fuck yeah DB-9! nothing says workstation like db-9.
>>54402926
https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/power_advantages.php
Per thread it trades blows with a xeon E3-1270, the lowest tier has 64 threads, the highest has 96/
>>54402999
96 one pls
>>54402999
Nice trips but this is massively disappointing. Those results are saying that 8 * power8 cores can barely compete with 4 * x86 sandy bridge cores. The massive power consumption is frightening too.
>>54402848
It's way too expensive. Who do they think will buy this? Freetards ain't exactly making bank.
>>54403083
This. Also power8 is still light years behind in IPC and low power consumption compared to x86.
Especially toward pic related.
>>54403055
What, no it's not, those results are SINGLE THREAD performance.
>Single-Thread Memory Benchmark Comparisons
E3-1270 has 8 threads.
POWER8 has 64 minimum.
You get almost the exact thread performance with 8 times the CPU.
>>54402848
>non x86
No, I am not hype. I am the opposite of hype.
>>54403133
Seems too good to be true.
>>54403133
So does power8 have hardware accelerated compression like ARM does?
How does power8 compare to x86 in floating point calculations?
>>54403133
Something's not right there. Not that I wouldn't mind something replacing x86 but these results don't make sense. How is integer performance?
>>54403174
welcome to RISC
Aside from muh freedumbs, what would this motherboard be useful for?
>>54403221
>hardware accelerated compression but shit integer/floating point performance
welcome indeed
>>54403179
>So does power8 have hardware accelerated compression like ARM does?
Yes
>>54403215
>>54403179
http://nicolas.limare.net/pro/notes/2014/12/12_arit_speed/
Performs pretty damn well.
I'm not sure why everyone's in disbelief about the performance of a $1000 enterprise CPU.
I've never even dropped $3k on a car and I'll be picking this up, I can't wait.
>>54403330
What will you do with it?
>>54403342
It'll be my new desktop, I'm going to use it as one. I've absolutely no use for such a powerful machine but you can bet your ass I'm buying one.
>>54403342
I will be using it as a DAW and a VM workstation for simulating my work networks.
I might also like to see how fast Gentoo compiles on the thing.
Would it be possible to run PowerPC OS X in a VM on this thing?
does it have sli support?
>>54402951
Economies of scale
>>54403143
lol do you even know what POWER is??
>>54403501
Unlikely.
>not using power9
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.6-POWER9-POWER
>>54402856
Two VGA ports and an S-Video out, what the hell is this board intended for??
>>54403544
obvious troll/10
>>54403459
Won't you need to have applications developed specifically for this architecture? Is the software support good?
>>54403522
I care more about the being completely open part than the power part.
>>54402871
>>54403330
Where are you guys getting this number? it says $3,700 in OP's link. So it's like a $4k computer.
Are we going back to Risc workstations in the mid-90's era pricing?
>>54403610
I'm just going off of an old estimate, haven't looked at the price in a while.
>>54402871
>>54402951
it's a niche product produced in small volumes
in other words see >>54403509
>>54403116
nobody who's buying this shit gives a fuck about synthetic benchmarks, shitty single-threaded game FPS or saving an extra $5 a month on power
>>54403602
...And you think x86 is "open"?
>>54403544
I don't know why this guy is being called a troll. When I saw the backplate those were my thoughts exactly.
If those aren't two VGA ports and s-video out then what are they? And if they are, I haven't seen an s-video input TV in a while and most modern monitora don't even have VGA in. They have DVI and HDMI.
>>54403727
ps2 and >>54402954
>>54403727
even if this is bait it's really pathetic to think that the r/pcmasterrace invasion could stoop this low
>>>/v/
I wish these fags would make a cheaper version. this thing costs more than my car.
>>54403680
In theory it could be.
>>54403746
But it isn't and never will be.
OR
I could just buy a Sun OpenSPARC for $300
>>54403741
Fuck, now I feel dumb (rightfully). The PS/2 threw me off becaus of the color. I'm used to purple/green.
And I should have seen the DE-9. My mind told me that's not a VGA in but I listened to that other idiot. Why the fuck would they have two VGA porta next to an HDMI.
In my defense, I just woke up. Thanks for clearing it up for me.
>>54402871
It's not that 100% Free is expensive, as such. It's that the usual consumer shit with non-Free out the wazoo is cheap because it's shit thrown together as cheap as possible, and that involves licensing existing proprietary firmwares (or parts thereof), rather than taking the time/effort to build something solid and writing firmwares from scratch or carefully selecting based on what firmwares are already open.
Also, these aren't made with the stereotypical basement-dwelling neckbeard NEET in mind, these are made with corporations who can't afford not to be paranoid in mind.
>>54402856
DB9, About fucking time!
>>54403987
The lack of a third row of pins should've told you it wasn't VGA, and S-Video only has 4 pins.
>>54403994
How many of these do you think ol' Putin will be ordering up?
>>54403680
>>54403746
>>54403753
http://zet.aluzina.org/index.php/Zet_processor
>>54404045
>Zet processor is an open implementation of the so widely used IA-32 architecture (generally called x86). This project is very new but it can be synthesized in a configurable device such an FPGA or CPLD, or made as a custom ASIC. Five different FPGA boards are currently supported.
>This project is quite complex and is in a very early stage of development. Only the 16-bit part (ie. the 8086/80186) is supported, see Zet status for more information. It can boot successfully MS-DOS 6.22, FreeDOS 1.1 and run Microsoft Windows 3.0 and other MS-DOS games.
>>54403973
Where?
AFAIK the best SPARC desktop you can get is the Ultra 45/Blade 2500
>>54404045
>>54404075
not to mention the FPGA boards capable of runnings CPUs this complex generally cost at least a thousand dollars
>>54404089
>Where?
eBay
>best
I never said best, I said OPEN
>desktop
OpenSPARC is only available in rack-mount form factor
FYI, OpenSPARC runs at about 1.4GHz, has 8 threads per core, 8 cores per cpu, and can have 2 CPUs in a slim rack form factor (128 total threads), while supporting 256GB RAM
And you can get them on eBay for $300
>>54404045
The ISA itself is not open source, POWER and RISC-V are.
>>54404148
The fuck are you even on about? I've never seen a single realization of any OpenSPARC chip in a server or workstation.
>>54404104
they'll be able to run it.. but at lower clock.
>>54403581
A linux port should not be that hard to accomplish since most of the popular distros support PPC already and PPC is a subset of POWER.
>>54404021
Yes, yes. As I said I just woke up and I saw blurry shapes, closed the image, didn't bother to look closely. Splashed cold water in my face and hopefully that's my only moment of idiocy for the day.
>>54404241
>I've never seen a single realization of any OpenSPARC chip in a server or workstation.
Either you dont know what OpenSPARC is, or you have not researched it for more than 1 minute
OpenSPARC were put in MANY rack-mount and blade servers, and there is a large consistent supply of them on eBay.
Seriously, spend 5 minutes researching what OpenSPARC is and searching for models on eBay
>>54403581
Ubuntu repos are 96% the same for ppc64le.
Ardour runs on ppc64le.
Qemu+KVM runs on ppc64le.
I am set.
>>54404295
Linux ports already exist
>>54404295
Supported Operating Systems
Little Endian Mode
Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.2 or higher
SUSE Linux Enterprise Server 12 or higher
CentOS 7 or higher
Fedora 22 or higher
Debian 8.0 ("Jessie") or higher
Ubuntu 14.04.3 ("Trusty") or higher
Gentoo (planned, build in process)
Trisquel (planned for Trisquel 8)
Big Endian Mode
Fedora 22 or higher
>>54404392
>can't even use gentoo
no thx
>>54404392
>Gentoo
>hold on were installing now and hopefully the install will finish within the next week or two
>>54403459
Seems like you're burning money. You could build a machine to do that for less than half the price using conventional hardware. But perhaps you are wealthy.
>>54404310
UltraSPARC T-series != OpenSPARC T-series
The latter is derived from the former, they are not the same product.
>>54404569
It depends on how much processing you do in your DAW, currently once you go beyond a certain number of channels you need co-processors, this is one of the scenarios in which this board could be in many ways a budget machine in the DAW world.
You're right about the VM, I only need ~20 threads to accurately simulate the sites I manage.
>>54404669
POWER supposedly has some pretty neat virtualization extensions not found in x86 though.
>>54404599
You are wrong
T1 and T2 are both OpenSPARC
>>54404712
Marketing literature on the T2 in particular seems to say otherwise:
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/systems/opensparc/opensparc-t2-page-1446157.html
>OpenSPARC T2 is derived from the UltraSPARC T2 processor
And the linked papers on the UltraSPARC T2 itself do not refer to it as an "open" chip, since their "Open" variants were introduced after the fact.
That name really only to applies to the freely available verilog implementations, rather than the UltraSPARC chips themselves that Sun retailed in the Enterprise/Fire T series.
>>54402848
That mPCIe slot is a nice touch. I wish HP had put that on their workstation motherboards.
>>54404866
can you just stop?
"
OpenSPARC is an open-source hardware project started in December 2005. The initial contribution to the project was Sun Microsystems' register-transfer level (RTL) Verilog code for a full 64-bit, 32-thread microprocessor, the UltraSPARC T1 processor. On March 21, 2006, Sun released the source code to the T1 IP core under the GNU General Public License. The full OpenSPARC T1 system consists of 8 cores, each one capable to execute 4 threads concurrently, for a total of 32 threads. Each core executes instruction in order and its logic is split among 6 pipeline stages.
On December 11, 2007, Sun also made the UltraSPARC T2 processor's RTL available via the OpenSPARC project.[1] OpenSPARC T2 is 8 cores, 16 pipelines with 64 threads.
"
>>54403727
>>54403544
the mini-DIN port (round) is for PS/2 peripherals (keyboard/mouse)
the two "VGA" ports are not VGA, they're 9-pin serial (VGA is 15 pin)
>>54403581
nice thing about open source software is that with the sources available, anyone can compile/port the software to new architectures, even if the original dev doesn't want to/isn't able to
>>54404933
And this makes the originals "open" how?
When even Sun themselves did not market the **UltraSPARC** T1 and T2 as open?
>>54405042
youre being retarded as fuck. Something can be originally released as closed source and later be opened up
The ORIGINAL OpenSPARC was a T1
now fuck off
>>54405066
No, as fucking Sun themselves said in their own damn marketing literature, the original OpenSPARC was a DERIVATIVE of the corresponding UltraSPARC chip released AFTERWARDS as a SEPARATE but compatible product, and and was never implemented in any Sun systems.
>>54402871
>Why is freetard shit always prohibitively expensive?
Motherboard would cost a few hundred thousand to develop and produce. They must assume volume will be something like 50 units for the first batch.
>>54404414
>can't even read
You will be able to
>>54402848
Am I seeing an HDMI port between the serial and mSATA? How the hell can they run a blobless HDMI setup? That shit so so proprietary that it make Apple shudder.
Year of the TALOS desktop when?
>>54402848
Fuck, I can't even afford a $700 Libreboot thinkpad and now I have to start saving for this? I still have to get a Neo900 too or else how will people know I'm FREE!?!!
>>54404392
Hope it can run Qubes
>>54405003
>serial
Actually not a bad idea since it's used with microcontrolers and low level programming a lot.
>>54402848
no games
what does one do in an "workstation" in 2016?
what is "workstation" hardware in 2016?
what does one do in an "workstation"?
at work i have a machine with a single xeon cpu, a cheap gpu and 64gb ram. i use it for 4chan most of the time but i run virtual machines with minecraft installed in my lunch time
>>54408716
thinkpad - $200
being technologically incompetent and on /g/ - priceless
>>54403083
>It's way too expensive. Who do they think will buy this? Freetards ain't exactly making bank.
Freetard here and my battlestation costs $10k-$20k.
I don't mind paying more money for something that's technologically superior.
>>54408930
the same shit you do with any other computer
compute
>>54409078
>$10-$20k for a freetard setup
do you just mindlessly buy anything the marketers put "free" on?
>>54409550
>muh gaymes
>muh i5
fuck off
>>54409078
What does it consist of?
I'm seriously interested.
>>54409624
what the fuck does that shitty strawman even have to do with anything I said?
if anything that's you, did you blow $3000 on a used POWER Intellistation or something?
>>54409665
In no particular order
- 1x i7 4770
- 1x Asus GTX 970 Strix
- 1x ASRock Z75 Pro3
- 4x 4 GiB Kingston generic ValueRAM (DDR3)
- 2x HGST 7K4000 (3TB)
- 2x Samsung Spinpoint F4 (2TB)
- 1x WD Caviar Black (1TB)
- 1x WD Caviar Blue (2TB)
- 2x Samsung 850 Pro
- 1x Intel RS2WC080 SAS controller (cross-flashed to LSI 9211-8i)
- 1x Fractal Design Define R2 XL
- 1x Scythe Mugen 2 HSF
- 4x Scythe Slipstream case fans
- 1x Seasonic X-650
- 1x APC Back-UPS RS 900G
- 1x Filco Majestouch 2 + custom PBT caps
- 1x Zowie FK
- 1x LG 31MU97-b
- 1x Dell U2410
- 1x X-Rite i1Display Pro
- 1x Spyder 3 Express
- 1x Yoyodyne ODAC RevB
- 1x Yamaha A-S300
- 1x Audeze LCD-2
- 2x DALI zensor 3
- 1x SVS SB1000
My price estimate was based on the price at purchase in Germany. Most of them are probably cheaper by now.
>>54409971
>meme of the year winner
wew laddie!
>>54409971
I thought you said you were a freetard not a dumb gamertard
>>>/v/
>>54410087
What does any of that have to do with gaming except for the single GPU which I use for watching videos?
>>54410102
because it's all gamer shit?
and none of it is open?
>the single GPU which I use for watching videos?
who the fuck buys a GTX fucking 970 to do something you can do with integrated graphics
>>>/v/
>>54409971
Why the fuck did you cheap out on the performance components and spend an extra $9k on useless junk?
What you did is buy a $1k computer and then $9000 of poptarts
>>54410129
and he didn't even mention the monster cables currently being shipped to his house
>>54410127
>because it's all gamer shit?
Is air also “gamer shit” because gamers need to breathe air to play video games?
>and none of it is open?
So everything that isn't open is automatically a gaming product? Is your car a gaming product?
>who the fuck buys a GTX fucking 970 to do something you can do with integrated graphics
I want to see you use integrated graphics to run 3-tap EWA filters in realtime on a 10-bit 4K display.
But I bet you don't even know what that means.
>>54410260
>10-bit
animuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
>>54410129
>Why the fuck did you cheap out on the performance components
What do you mean, cheap out? And what do you mean by “performance components”
Are you referring to the CPU, GPU, RAM etc.?
If so,
>RAM
16 GiB is way more than enough, timings don't affect anything I do in any meaningful way. Why overpay?
>CPU
i7 4770 is just about enough to decode 4K HEVC at ~30-40 Mbps in realtime (using OpenHEVC intrinsics). If it does the job, why upgrade?
>GPU
My GPU is specced exactly as it needs to be to sustain 3-tap EWA + debanding at 4K 60 Hz. The GTX 960's texture fill rate is too low. The GTX 980 is overkill. Why pay more than what I need?
Besides, the peripherals are far more important than the core components. The core components only need to be specced high enough for the job. The peripherals are pretty open-ended and also much more important.
I spend 16 hours a day staring at my display. How often do you load your CPU up to 100%?
>>54410285
I don't think you have even the vaguest understanding of what “10-bit” means in this context.
>>54410260
>Is air also “gamer shit” because gamers need to breathe air to play video games?
no but your buzzword-covered gaymer hardware is
>So everything that isn't open is automatically a gaming product? Is your car a gaming product?
you keep making these nonsensical comparisons like they'll somehow jump over and latch on to me by proxy
you called yourself a freetard and alluded to a $10k-$20k "battlestation"
it piqued our curiosity because actual free hardware with the exception of niche marketing money grabs like OP's shit is generally pretty cheap to come by
instead you just posted some mid-range gaming shitbox full of gaming-oriented whitebox components with a fucking intel CPU
>I want to see you use integrated graphics to run 3-tap EWA filters in realtime on a 10-bit 4K display.
oh so basically you're like an audiophile but with video, got it
>>>/v/
>>54410393
>no but your buzzword-covered gaymer hardware is
You keep saying this but you still haven't explained what makes any of this “gaming hardware” or “buzzword-covered”.
>you keep making these nonsensical comparisons
You were the one who was just trying to argue “If it isn't open, it's a gaming product”. I was taking your argument to a logical conclusion.
>>54409971
>UPS
>2 Colorimeters
>All that storage
>Expensive SAS Controller
>Overpriced speakers and headphone
>16Gb meme
>3.5G meme
wow just wow. This is only acceptable if you are a professional audio/video editor. If not, kill yourself
>>54410419
Also it's funny because I don't even have any games installed. I don't even have Windows installed. (But I bet you do)
>>54409971
In no way did you spend $3,700 for a motherboard and processor.
There's an option for 100% free and blobless x86 workstation/server too
https://minifree.org/product/libreboot-d16/
CPU support is very limited (pretty much opteron 6200 series only)
>>54410419
>You keep saying this but you still haven't explained what makes any of this “gaming hardware” or “buzzword-covered”.
it's a consumer shitbox with an assrock board, an GTX 970 and a non-stock cooler
>You were the one who was just trying to argue “If it isn't open, it's a gaming product”. I was taking your argument to a logical conclusion.
literally nobody said this ever
>>54410436
if he was he wouldn't be using GNU/Linux
>>54410439
if you use a dildo as a bikeseat it's still a dildo
what operating system I use has no bearing on whether or not you're just a gamertard faggot trying to turn yet another thread into his personal gaming hardware blog
>>54410436
I'm not a professional audio/video editor but I work on audio/video software and algorithms - which is even worse.
If you work on multimedia algorithms for any larger period of time, you will inevitably be fine-tuning your ability to recognize artifacts quickly. Things that people normally don't even notice until you point it out to them suddenly become unwatchable.
>>54410355
stop trying .. your "workstation" is a joke.
>>54410355
>How often do you load your CPU up to 100%?
about an hour each day. would be 2 hours with some gaymen shit like yours though
>>54410498
>it's a consumer shitbox with an assrock board, an GTX 970 and a non-stock cooler
ASRock makes the cheapest boards that get the job done. What would you have bought instead? Gigabyte? Asus? MSI? They're all the same shit with different price tags.
>a GTX 970
Cheapest GPU that can drive my display. AMD GPUs are much more price-efficient but the fglrx drivers don't play nicely with Linux, and also don't support 10-bit output.
>a non-stock cooler
The stock coolers are like vacuum cleaners. I'm not deaf.
You still haven't explained what any of this has to do with gaming.
>>54410498
>literally nobody said this ever
Refresher:
>>54410102
>What does any of that have to do with gaming
>>54410127
>none of it is open
Okay then.
>>54410557
>your "workstation" is a joke
Yeah, it sure is stupid buying hardware according to your needs instead of overpaying out the ass for useless meme garbage so you can look cool in Speccy threads.
I wish I had more brains than money, maybe then I could get an ebbin dual-xeon setup with 128 GB of RAM and use it to watch videos
>>54410546
that explains most of the stuff, but why the UPS?
>>54410615
here's a little refresher for you:
>>54402848
>Completely open and blobless operation right down to the firmware, all of which is customizable.
this thread is about open hardware
>>54403083
>It's way too expensive. Who do they think will buy this? Freetards ain't exactly making bank.
>>54409078
>Freetard here and my battlestation costs $10k-$20k.
>Freetard
>>54409665
>What does it consist of?
>>54409971
>literally the opposite of freetard hardware that looks like some gaming shitbox ripped right off the falcon guide with an extra SAS controller (???) and a bunch of placebo color calibration gear wrapped up in a minimalist meme case and /bst/-tier peripherals
are you really surprised you're being called a /v/irgin when your spec sheet reads like you copy pasted it out of a guts blog thread?
>>>/v/
>>54410660
>why the UPS
I live in an area where power outages are not impossible. I get one every few years. The UPS prevents loss of work and also allows me to gracefully unmount all of those 10 drives.
(Not all of my filesystems are redundant)
In terms of an investment, the UPS is rather cheap and is worth a great deal in data safety and peace of mind, so there's not much point in not getting one if you care about your data IMO.
>>54410631
>I wish I had more brains than money, maybe then I could get an ebbin dual-xeon setup with 128 GB of RAM and use it to watch videos
>so instead he uses a $300 video card to do it because of "muh filters" and "muh 4K"
>>54410682
The only way I can see a contradiction in that line of quotations is if our definitions of “freetard” diverge. For me, it means using free software wherever possible. As far as hardware is concerned, it means preferring hardware that works well with said free software.
(For example, I buy Nvidia instead of AMD GPUs because they have much better Linux driver support. I bought a Zowie mouse because they don't require me to install shitty proprietary bloatware drivers to change the DPI.)
If decent free alternatives to the rest of my hardware existed, I would be the first to buy them. For example, I would have bought a ColorHUG instead of an i1 Display Pro if the ColorHUG was even remotely good.
Sadly, free hardware is not really there yet, even *if* you pay a premium for them. That's why I'm hoping things like this take off, since I'll gladly pay a premium for technologically superior hardware (e.g. hardware with comparable performance but that allows me to use superior free software).
>>54410758
Also, please remember that I never even began to claim that I only use free/open hardware. I just listed a price tag to indicate that I'm not exactly in a position where I couldn't afford paying a premium for free hardware (if it was available).
>>54410733
>muh filters
I bet you think bilinear looks acceptable
>>54410682
>your spec sheet reads like you copy pasted it out of a guts blog thread?
I generally spend an extensive amount of time researching every single hardware purchase I make. I look at data sheets, I compare benchmarks, I familiarize myself with the technology, I try them out (if applicable).
If there's any coincidence between what I buy and what other people buy, it's only because we have reached the same conclusions as to which hardware is the best.
Go ahead, list any of my hardware components and a handful of competitors and I will tell you what the key differences are and why I prefer my purchase over the alternatives.
>>54402848
This price made me laugh out for a good 3 seconds in real life.
>free
I read that as "little to no support from proprietary software companies.".
So I can't run my Autodesk suite on it.
Sure as hell won't be able to run Zbrush or Substance on it either.
>4K$
More Expensive than a comparable Xeon option almost twice as expensive in fact.
As a professional 3d character artist if I get asked by my techie if we need one I can't answer with anything but a NO. Then again he wouldn't ask me anyway because he's not retarded, he knows full well we can't use this shit.
>>54410758
>>54410776
not actually going to shit on this, but really the point of what I was saying is that it's not really correct to claim yourself as a freetard especially in the context of this thread when your hardware is about as proprietary and non-free as it gets
it was also kind of a turn-off, I was expecting some memetacular shitstation full of novena/lemote-tier instead of another average 970+i7 setup that it seems like pretty much everyone on /g/ runs now
anyway, I have stuff to do my counter-blogging ends here, have fun senpai
>>54410822
this board is not intended to be a general-purpose product to take on conventional Xeon-based workstations, its primary goal is security, and catering to use cases where that is important, as well as offering a high-performance platform to do so with
>As a professional 3d character artist if I get asked by my techie if we need one I can't answer with anything but a NO.
and you're not wrong at all, because that's not what it's designed to cater to
>>54410822
Well then it's obviously not for you. Forget about it and carry on with your life.
>>54410822
>I read that as "little to no support from proprietary software companies.".
>So I can't run my Autodesk suite on it.
>Sure as hell won't be able to run Zbrush or Substance on it either.
>muh wendys
Windows doesn't even have a version for POWER architecture. You either know absolute fuckshit about what you try to talk about or just made a post for the sake of making a post.
>>54410988
>Windows doesn't even have a version for POWER architecture.
yeah it does, or it did, NT4 ran on RS/6000s
pedantic, but hey, if you're going to call people out for "knowing absolute fuckshit" then at least skim the wiki page first
>>54410988
>Windows doesn't even have a version for POWER architecture.
Well unfortunately for you I've been a professional for a couple of years now and I remember Apple G5 workstations could install Windows.
>>54411271
>yeah it does, or it did
>pedantic
so it doesn't, as stated
>>54411300
In an emulator
>>54411300
there was never a POWER version of XP, only NT4, and it never ran on Macs
you're probably thinking of parallels or softwindows or just a Mac Pro dual-booting
>>54411396
but it does, there IS a Windows version for that platform, it's just not as updated as the x86 version
>>54411437
where can I get it?
>>54410794
I honestly believe that no upscaling filters more complex than bicubic scaling makes the image look any better. Mostly the opposite.
>>54403459
You have no idea what you are talking about
>>54403610
The fucking horror of that shit, here's our 2000$ pc that'll do any and everything for the next 4 months.
>>54411466
just download any standard NT4 ISO, it includes the PPC, MIPS, and Alpha versions alongside the standard x86 version
it's not really great though unless you're a developer, there's a reason Alpha workstations didn't sell like hotcakes even though they could run Windows
Fell for POWER8 meme
>>54404392
wow no arch
>>54413095
I fail to see the issue.
>>54413095
>high-performance chips intended for small volume deployments or other applications where a little bit of a higher power bill doesn't matter for shit aren't as autistic about power consumption as chips designed for fleet shitboxes
who knew
>>54413253
You say that like it's a bad thing
>>54402951
>There's a rather large correlation between "muh open sores hardware" and "insane prices".
Economy of scale dipshit.
>>54403544
Fucking baby's never seen a serial port before.
>>54408734
>wants an x86-ONLY virtualization-oriented OS for CP fanatics
Holy fuck you're out of it.
>>54411466
keep in mind you can't run x86 windows binaries on them (aka every windows program ever)
you're basically limited to;
- the few things that bothered to make a non-x86 nt4 version
- open source software that can potentially be compiled for the other architectures
>>54413756
you actually can if I remember correctly, at least on the Alpha port, where even some of the operating system itself was still x86 code running in an emulator
>>54413863
that's interesting, though it would at least be pretty slow, so only really suited for basic software
if you were to do something with old hardware (that has drivers for NT4), you'd still be better off running something else (linux, netbsd, etc)
>>54414043
that's what I'd think too, but who knows, it could have been similar to Apple's excellent 68k emulation on PPC systems, and DEC shipped NT-only Alpha boxes for years, maybe there was some method to their madness? granted, they didn't sell so well since there was no point in buying an Alpha with NT when you were just going to run x86 software on it anyway, might as well just run SoftWindows or whatever its OSF-1/Tru64 counterpart was
>if you were to do something with old hardware (that has drivers for NT4), you'd still be better off running something else (linux, netbsd, etc)
you know I have a hard time agreeing with this unless you're intending to use it for something where security is critical such as an outward-facing server, in the case of x86 hardware, NT4 will have a much larger base of compatible software that's still very useful and also much leaner and well-suited to the platform than their bloated but only marginally more functional counterparts you'll see in the free/libre world
and honestly despite the plethora of architectures you may see supported by varying distros, GNU/Linux support on those platforms aren't always flawless, SGI hardware is a great example of this; GNU/Linux or BSD will compile and boot these systems, but it offers no software base advantage over IRIX, the hardware support is a shit show due to a combination of poor documentation and simple lack of interest, and GCC is just plain kludgy compared to MIPSPro both in the code it will take in and the code it will generate
I can't imagine Alpha or PPC (RS/6 OR Mac) would be that much better, considering at least SGI still has an active developer community
>>54414313
PowerPC Macs are still very usable
>>54416933
I was talking about GNU/Linux on PPC based RS/6000s, which aren't quite the same thing under the hood, and I don't think they run the same distros as PPC macs
PPC Macs for sure have a lot of life in them, especially for people like me who don't really watch a lot of videos or play games
>>54417098
Even watching videos works fine, you just need to use a video player. Hell my PowerMac G5 it can handle 1080p and the fucker came out in 2003.
I am going to buy one, but I will wait until a Rev 2 comes out (shakedown).
It will fulfill all my computing needs into the far future.
>>54417432
But Anon the Plus/4 was barely worth a shit even when it was brand new
>>54417098
>and I don't think they run the same distros as PPC macs
It would be interesting to see if the PPC subset in the Power architecture would be enough to support the OSX stuff.
>>54418042
I'd love to have a PowerPC OS X VM. I think if that's possible I'd probably give Leopard 4 threads and use that as my main desktop OS
>>54418042
POWER chips would me more than able to run that part of the code, but as hackintoshing on x86 systems shows, there's more to compatibility than just the CPU architecture.
>>54418146
Was AltiVec integrated into POWER too?
>>54403544
Nigga, that's a PS/2 port and two serial ports.
>>>/reddit/
Don't let the door kick you in the ass.
>>54418485
Very good question.
Never occured to me to ask that.
From Wikipedia:
"It is implemented on versions of the PowerPC including Motorola's G4, IBM's G5 and POWER6 processors, and P.A. Semi's PWRficient PA6T."
Loose wording there, I think.
Is POWER6 part of PPC?
>>54402848
What makes this 'more secure' than any random x86 hardware with common security procedures in place (for workstations)?
>>54422047
its ability to be audited.
>>54422063
And a more secure ISA.
>>54422063
that's only partially true, unless you control the fab and have a team auditing every production run, how can you verify that the chip is actually what the paper says it is?
>>54402848
>POWER8
Awww shieet nuigga dis thing gon b spensive
>>54424195
$3700
>>54402848
>blobless
>inb4 asus c201
>>54404392
No AIX?
>>54427911
AIX is IBM exclusive isn't it?
>>54413635
>implying security (via virtualization or anything else) is only for criminals
Keep pushing the agenda, shill
