If Windows 10 is spyware then surely we could prove it fairly easily, right?
1. Install Win 10 on a brand new machine, just the OS.
2. Disable any and all telemetry, or any other features that send data to Microsoft
3. Connect the machine to a router with no other machines connected, but with internet access. Use a router that predates Win 10 and don't update its firmware
4. Use the machine normally, but avoid anything that will result in any kind of network traffic. Log everything you do with a timestamp
5. Monitor all traffic directly through the router (so Win 10 can't hide its activity), log every single packet sent and recieved
You can now prove whether Windows 10 is legit spyware, or /g/ is full of shit
It has already been done and proven that Windows 10 will bypass everything.
/thread and sage
>>54377750
>It has already been done and proven that Windows 10 will bypass everything.
Link
>>54377754
google.com
Windows 10 spying is a meme cooked up by buttmad Linux users here and on reddit.
>>54377796
At least give me a search term if you're not going to link me proof. Otherwise I'll just assume you're full of shit
>>54377711
We have proof from similar experiments that Windows is constantly connecting to Microsoft servers even with telemetry turned off, but the data is encrypted so we do not know what that data contains.
People like >>54377808 claim that the data exchanged is completely innocuous while others believe that they are collecting literally everything on your computer.
The real answer? Only Microsoft knows, and they're not about to talk.
>>54377849
No. I won't link it because if you're too stupid to find it yourself you'd be too stupid to understand the research.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2997213/privacy/microsoft-doesnt-see-windows-10s-mandatory-data-collection-as-a-privacy-risk.html
>>54377850
>others believe that they are collecting literally everything on your computer.
Which is completely wrong.
The only way they get your files is if you drag and drop them in to your onedrive AFTER signing in and enabling it.
Onedrive scans all files for malicious files and child abuse images, the very software written by MS to scan files (PhotoDNA) is used by google drive, imgur, facebook and twitter but nobody complains about that.
yes they spy
>>54377900
almost got me there anon
>>54377917
>use cortana that does searches on the web
>it uses network!?!??!
It takes a special kind of retard to post this shit.
>>54377937
cortana sends unique id of your computer and network card which means they are able to track you across networks
>>54378075
Says who? The data sent is encrypted, so you have no way of knowing what gets sent.
>>54378075
Sounds useful to me. If you have so much against that then why are you using Cortana? To even be using it you had to sign up to a microsoft email account and log in to your machine, you went to all this effort to use something you hate that is useful for the vast majority of other people.
You could probably get autismbux if you get whatever retardation you have going on diagnosed.
>>54377850
Surely you can find out which process is sending the encrypted data, then reverse engineer accordingly
>>54377937
>disable cortana and web search via gpo
>it still does that
>>54378173
Doesn't do it for me. I left Wireshark running for over 16 hours and didn't find one suspicious packet.
>>54378430
did you try using local search in the start menu?
>>54378499
I have it disabled and cortana folder deleted. Using Everything instead to launch shit.
>>54378075
If you install windows 10 - enterprise with a region that does not support Cortona - it's going to come disabled and send 0 data, then you have time to actually block it via group policy and then remove it completely. Then you can change your region back.
Otherwise just get LTSB enterprise it has Cortona remove by default - but it's lacking the latest features.
>>54377711
Sure, do it, we'll wait.
There's a webm floating around of someone running wireshark while browsing local files on Win10. Everytime he clicked it sent a packet to redmont. didn't save it. Maybe someone else did
>>54378144
>Surely you can find out which process is sending the encrypted data, then reverse engineer accordingly
>you can reverse engineer a proprietary client which sends encrypted data
Why do you talk about shit you don't understand?
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/
>>54377711
Google "ip adress not blocked by hosts file"
>>54378918
Want to guess how much Ubuntu talks with Canonical and Amazon?
>>54378891
Sure, anon. Just brute force the encryption.
>>54378891
In order to send the data, encrypted or not, it has to be collected first. This means there's a process somewhere that does the collection at the very least. You're telling me it's not possible to find the process in question and figure out what it's collecting?
>>54379337
Not any of the previous anons.
Look in the Windows 10 scheduled tasks folder, I think that will start you in the right direction.
As for decrypting the telemetry stream, a combination of Microsoft tools, Netmon and Timber, will decrypt the telemetry stream. The problem is that Timber is internal only.
Timber is used for pulling encrypted logs, but it can also decrypt the telemetry data.
Now, all of that said, the data is pretty boring.
>>54379093
We don't have to guess because we have the source code. That "feature" has been removed and was never in dozens of other distros. Again, we know this because the public is able to see the source code.
Compare this with Microsoft, where only the NSA and related intelligence agencies are allowed to view the source code.
>>54377754
>>54377750
Microsoft is part of NSA's mass surveillance program "PRISM":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM_(surveillance_program)
Microsoft informs the NSA about bugs before fixing them:
https://archive.is/OBGB1
Microsoft openly offeres cloud data to support PRISM:
https://archive.is/tW6fu
Microsoft has backdoored its disk encryption:
https://archive.is/2XIvX
https://archive.is/qLRZx
Windows snoops on the users' files, text input, voice input,
location, contacts, calendar records and web browsing history,
even after related settings are turned off:
https://archive.is/thsGd
https://archive.is/sz1nt
https://archive.is/g3QdQ
https://archive.is/ko469
https://archive.is/l6pmO
https://archive.is/zK93U
Micrcrosoft automatically downloads Windows 10 on PCs running
Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 (between 3.5GB and 6GB), even if
users have not opted-in:
http://archive.is/CEvKh
Windows 10 scans for illegal/pirated software:
https://archive.is/vhjwm
https://archive.is/2jehd
https://archive.is/KQsBh
Microsoft proudly presents surveillance statistics:
https://archive.is/MB0Yy
> Over 82 billion photos viewed.
> Gamers spent over 4 billion hours playing PC games.
> 44.5 billion minutes/month spent in Microsoft Edge.
> Over 2.5 billion questions asked of Cortana since launch.
> Windows 10 now active on over 200 million devices.
>>54379093
I can guess how much Debian and numerous other operating systems talk with their developers.
They don't.
>>54380031
>FUD, FUD, and more FUD
You are why no one takes this stance seriously. The most annoying part is that you spam this board with the same shit every time regardless of how many you're proven wrong.
>>54377711
even a fucking car can detect when its being observed. A full blown widely used os can understand when its used as a honeypot.
>>54380208
JTRIG, pls go.
Everything that anon posted has sources. There's a reason Microsoft was the very first company to sign onto PRISM.
>>54381514
That's correct, but that anon is consistently being intellectually dishonest. Most of what he posted, such as scanning for piracy, only applies to very specific circumstances where you opt-in by going out of your way to sign up for a Microsoft account, and even then it only even looks to see if you are illegitimately acquiring apps from the MS store.
>>54381631
Post more examples of how the pasta is wrong.
