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Previous thread: >>54337116
>budget
70
>location
US
>source
Phone or pc that doesn't even have a sound card
>preferred type
In ear
>open or closed
Closed
>Comfort
Not of utmost concern, just like 2 hour sessions at most
>Preferred tonal balance
I like bass but I don't like bass that drowns out highs
>Preferred music
Tropical house and some rap
>Past headphones
Soundmagic e10s, Klipsch r7 something, a lot of skullcandy trash.
While the stuff in the form is fairly important to me, I most want something DURABLE.
Also I saw these things had an unusually big sale. No reviews on Newegg and just a few on amazon so I was wondering if anyone has these and if so, if they would recommend them
Are the m50x actually neutral or is that a meme and they're basshead gayshit?
>>54361235
no one ever said they're neutral
>>54360318
Daily reminder that PortaPros are not autistic and are excellent for the price
>>54361263
Head-fi constantly says they're neutral.
>>54361318
Head-fi = Shill-fi
>>54361329
That's why I'm asking here, nigger.
>Budget
I'm willing to go up to 200€
>Location
Finland
>Source
I have this dingy little Behringer MicroAMP. I doubt it's anything good, I mainly use it to have analog volume adjustment for my speakers and headphones with same input.
>Preferred type of headphone
I have big head and ears, so full size are best. If it helps I have Parrot Zik 2.0's at my office and my ears just barely fit inside them.
>Open or closed
Open preferred
>Comfort level
I'm more for comfort, since usually when I wear headphones I wear them for multiple hours
>Preferred tonal balance
This is where my noob-ness shows, I have no idea. I have currently cheap-o Superlux HD 668B's which I've heard are bass heavy, but I can't tell if that's the case.
>Preferred music
I listen to everything, but lately I've been into "melodic death metal", but from the lighter end of the spectrum.
>Past headphones
As mentioned above I have Parrot Zik 2.0's at my office, but they are mainly for noise cancellation than anything else. At home I've used the Superlux mentioned above and before them I had another Superlux, but I can't remember what model.
>>54361318
don't trust head-fi
>>54361369
they're bassy, not neutral
>>54361381
Samson SR850
>>54361235
I had the chance to try the M40x, which are known to be more neutral than the M50x, and they were absolutely V-shaped. They didn't sound bad though, the sound quality felt good, but they weren't neutral at all.
Holy shit it's been like a year, are wat klipsch and horn loaded still here? I just remembered those guys, I havent came to /g/ in a year
Guys I don't know whether to get ATH-CKX9 for 60 euros or Soundmagic E10/Soundmagic E50 for 40-50 euros? Or something else entirely? I feel like 60 is the most I'd like to spend for earphones.
How do you measure how fast a headphone driver is and how much detail it is able to produce. Does detail resolution come down to subjective listening?
>>54361770
>autosaging Linux threads instead of /v/idyagaymer threads like guts and battlestations and PC building
Yeah this board is cancer
>>54361750
>How do you measure how fast a headphone driver is
cumulative spectral decay or CSD for short
>and how much detail it is able to produce.
frequency response
>Does detail resolution come down to subjective listening?
no
>>54362429
How come people say the HD800 and other summit fi headphones have more detail when some cheaper alternatives like some planars have an almost similarly flat frequency response?
>>54362513
because they think an amplified treble response automatically make headphones qualified as "detailed". they're idiots with no clue how to listen properly.
>>54361460
dude, he has a hd668B. why would he buy an sr850?
>>54361381
try some velour earpads
>>54360318
Could you recommend linux compatible dac+amps?
>>54361381
HD598
>>54362573
That is completely wrong. The thiness of the diaphragm means that the driver is lighter so it doesn't have to move as much mass. This transfers to faster more natural sound reproduction with less latancy. This is why electrostatic headphones are capable of reproducing sooo much more detail than dynamics. HD800 pale in comparison because the driver isn't thin enough and fanboys get so defensive over their over priced heavy tech that they delude themselves. Detail being much more present in higher end headphones isn't a myth, it's just available in electrostats and planar magnetic drivers though planar magnetics lag behind because their drivers don't get thin enough.
>>54362892
What are some "cheap" electrostatic headphones?
£70 ~ $100
UK
External DAC
Over ear
Open
Flat
Synthwave
Had some brass Sony IEMs but then they got stolen
Looking for a good pair of home headphones
>>54360318
Any good reccomendations for an IEM with an inline mic? I'm gonna be using them under a motorcycle helmet, otherwise I'd just get something like my old ATs.
>Budget
under $100 USD, ideally around the $30-50 range unless there's something particularly excellent in the $50-100 range.
>Source
iPhone 5s
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM w/ inline mic.
>Comfort level
At least a few hours worth of constant use. IEMs are IEMs, though. They only get so comfortable.
>Preferred tonal balance
The only thing I'm concerned about at this price range really, is sharp, fatiguing highs. I generally like clarity and balance on the warmer end of the spectrum.
>Preferred music
I listen to all kinds of genres, at random, so.
>Past headphones
Currently own a pair of Sennheiser HD 598s which I thoroughly enjoy. I used to own a pair of Audio Technica IEMs, which I want to say were CKMs?
Thanks.
>>54361329
>>54361408
Who to trust, then?
>>54362949
No one.
>>54361381
DT880, my ears are fairly big and still barelly touch the pads.
Poorfag here. Very first rig e ver. Got a Modi\Magni 2 uber combo & AKG K7XX... Any good monitors under 500 usd worth getting?
>>54362949
take everything with a grain of salt, make your own tested whenever you can, find one or two reviewers who seem to like the same headphones as you do, the chances are they will praise headphones that have a greater chance of pleasing you, therefore more worth testing.
>>54362892
good job regurgitating something you read at head-fi
>>54363104
Have you ever auditioned electrostatic headphones?
>>54362928
Soundmagic E10S
>>54362892
You can control big masses with magnetic field with high precision (HDD as example). No matter how heavy diaphragm is as it only pushes air to create sound.
>>54363124
have you ever been unable to back up your claims with citations?
>>54363326
He might as well believe in 120$ fuses, "warm" lamp sound, brake-in period in amp/dac/headphones, 1500$ cables with better sound and etc. Better to leave this poor soul alone.
>>54363425
i would if no one took him seriously. unfortunately >>54362921 did
>>54363471
>unfortunately >>54362921(You)# did
I honestly just wanted to know some "cheap" electrostatic headphones. I know they all cost a small fortune
>>54363501
stax sr-207 are the only electrostats worth the pricetag
>>54363015
Do you mean IEM's monitoring headphones (open? closed?) or studio monitors as in speakers?
Sorry but there are so many people who misuse terms in these threads.
>>54363501
Check out yahoo auctions (not shopping) japan. They often have cheap stax amps and headphones.
>>54363471
>>54363501
Static:
http://www.amazon.com/Stax-xFF33-xFF32--2170-Srs2170/dp/B0043HPD0I/ref=sr_1_24?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1462308481&sr=1-24&keywords=electrostatic
Planar:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ZG32I4
I don't know about quality of those, but I think anything more than 1500 is just milking of audiophiles, unless it is packaged with amp/dac. You can search amazon for better answers, but stay away from head-fi. It filled with retards in echo chamber. You can read same info about popular headphones, sometimes word-in-word like HD800 is "picky"; will sound as 2$ IEM without amp/dac that cost less than 1000$; you need replace stock cable (although even chinck shit headphones come with oxygen-free cooper cables nowadays); your ears will bleed if you will listen to anything worse than 92khz 20bit flac. All this shit getting spilled by yoububers and than respelled to anyone who ask advise. Only read that forum for lulz and if you see anyone saying about brake-in/superiority of tube amps/changing stock cable for better sound or other nonsense - discard any opinion of such person. The difference they hear in different amp/dac is manufactures alter sound, much like you can do with EQ, but on hardware level. Having good headphones and neutral sounding dac/amp (as-is), you can alter EQ to get sound from high end 4k$ amp/dac. So to say, integrated audio is more than enough for anyone as majority support up to 192khz and 20bit - this is far more than human ear can hear.
>>54363881
This entire post, apart from having abysmal English, is a perfect example of the false dilemma fallacy. Not only does it ignore the possibility that not every expensive headphone sounds good, but also asserts that every cheap headphone that doesn't have terrible frequency response will produce the same level of clarity that a good headphone will. Add to that the fact that not every sound chip on every device is good, let alone truly transparent and it's pretty much a perfect example of the nonsense this poster is telling you to avoid.
>>54362892
What the fuck is ''detail' anyway? Let's say you're listening to a recording that was mixed on NS-10s and later monitored on LS3/5A, JBL 4311, MDR-V6, a car stereo and the producer deemed the recording was good. Just what kind of detail are you expecting to hear when you whip out your superior two thousand dollar stax system?
>>54363806
Speakers
>>54364034
I didn't say anything about headphones price in my post. Expensive headphones will sound better up to some price, after that you paying for brand and auxiliary. DAC is good at any device nowadays, for example Integrated realtek can drive 300omh headphones to high volume without issue, artifacts and with as much "details" as some shitty 4k, snakeoil DAC.
Go warm your lamps and don't forget to lubricate your fuses with distillate water.
Why do 500€+ headphones exists? What can make headphones cost 1000€?
>>54364307
Same why there 150$ and 800$ phones exist, that has same hardware. 800$ will have less issues in daily usage and most probably will use premium materials. You paying for brand (15-30%), better materials, support/warranty and better performance.
They cost 500/1000 because corporation can sell them for that price. If they set their flagship product for 100$, even if it will have superior characteristics, people will by 1000$ product from other company because they will think it is superior because it cost more.
>>54364256
>I didn't say anything about headphones price in my post
>will sound as 2$ IEM without amp/dac that cost less than 1000$
>Having good headphones and neutral sounding dac/amp (as-is), you can alter EQ to get sound from high end 4k$ amp/dac.
Yes you did.
>>54364256
>Go warm your lamps and don't forget to lubricate your fuses with distillate water.
Thanks for the ad hominem.
>>>/trash/
>>54364307
Engineering and design. Most importantly supply and demand.
>>54364607
>Engineering and design
But if they sound worse... what's the point?
>>54364307
R&D, specialised production, materials, and snob factor.
The third one is an unfortunate product of expectation bias, but the first two are genuine consequence of new technology. Whether they're worth it or not is entirely subjective, but most agree that the best price/performance is hit at around the $300US mark where the HD6 series DT880/990 and K7 series lie.
>>54364518
>Same why there 150$ and 800$ phones exist, that has same hardware
Arbitrary statistics without reasoned argument only weaken your position that cheap headphones are just as good as expensive ones.
>You paying for brand (15-30%),
See above.
>people will by 1000$ product from other company because they will think it is superior because it cost more.
This is true. Snob factor is a large consideration in marketing and price gouging with enthusiast hobbies.
>>54364628
>If one expensive headphone is bad why make expensive headphones?
Not only are you assuming that one bad headphone means all headphones in the price bracket are not worth it, you're also assuming that what's bad to you is bad to everyone.
>Budget
100$ flexible
>Location
USA
>Source
PC, Laptop, Phone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Pretty comfy, and my ears are big.
>Preferred music
Classic rock and other variants of rock (/mu/ stuff)
>>54364758
>(/mu/ stuff)
I'm curious what you mean by this. Not for the purposes of headphone recommendation but it seems /mu/tants like saying this outside the context of their own board, where it doesn't translate very well.
>>54364822
Neutral Milk Hotel, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, King Crimson, Radiohead
>>54364865
POSTPROGFOLKARTROCK etc.
>>54364953
Pretty much
>>54364985
ATH-m40x
You didn't mention a sound signature so I'm just going to assume that means you're okay with a bit of extra bass seeing as you requested closed headphones for listening to rock music.
>>54365080
They look pretty good. thanks for the suggestion anon
>>54365163
It might be worth it if you have a nearby hifi store to check out the sennheiser hd280 shure srh440 akg k171 and sony mdr-7506/mdr-v6
You should be able to find something in that range that will suit your taste.
>>54365195
*k240
>Budget
60-80
>Location
US
>Source
Laptop or smartphone
>Preferred type
In ear
>Preferred tonal balance
Balanced, maybe slightly warm. I love the sound signature of the xpt100s if that translates to iems in any way
>Preferred music
Alternative, Hip hop, Jazz, Classical
>Past headphones
Brainwavz hm3, xpt100, brainwavz Delta, lots of other garbage iems
I also hate microphonics, so anything with a softer wire is a plus
>Budget
150-300, if something vastly superior can be had for a bit more I wouldn't mind splurging.
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized
>Open or closed
Closed is preferred, but open is still fine
>Comfort level
3+ hours without being too bad, Grado SR60i got uncomfortable after about 3 hours.
>Preferred music
EDM and Rock for the most part
>Past headphones
Grado SR60i - quality was great for me, they got uncomfortable after prolonged use, and the Y split for L/R annoyingly got twisted a lot.
KOSS Portapro - Quality was decent, but they were cheap and comfy as fuck, I wore them for 10+ hours without even noticing they were on.
I'm looking for something that's pretty nice to last me awhile.
>>54365856
fidelio x2
>>54365950
> suggesting memes
>>54365856
HD600
Should I get the Tascam TH02's with HM5 pads or should I spend a little bit more for some Hyperx Clouds (Takstar Pro 80)?
>>54366239
Takstar
>>54366201
Do you have the HD600?
>>54366201
he said he liked the sound of his grados and x2 are the closest you will get to that without having to buy bad headphones.
he also said that he wanted his new pair of headphones to last a while. fidelio x2 is certainly more durable than hd 600.
>>54360563
>In ear
>durable
>$70
Pick two
>>54366309
18cm
In ass
Durable
>>54365535
Piston 3 or E10 are the usual recommendations at this price range. If push up to around $100 you can include Momentum In Ears, SE215 and MA750s.
>I also hate microphonics, so anything with a softer wire is a plus
Run them over ears instead of down ears and get a cable clip.
>>54366320
>In ass
I assume you mean in ear
>Durable
RHA MA750
>>54366295
I did like the sound of my Grados, but I have little experience with any mid/high end headphones.
>>54366295
>fidelio x2 is certainly more durable than hd 600.
Unless he has the bad luck to get one with the earpads coming off.
>>54366385
if you like grados you have no ear for sound.
>>54366404
Someone from Philips replied to a Reddit post a while back. I wish I could find the exact link, but they said the glued pads was a factory error. It occurred on one batch (apparently Amazon was the unlucky merchant that got it.) They were made aware of the issue and have since corrected the error.
>>54366439
One of the many reasons to not buy headphones made in China.
>Budget
100 - 150 USD
>Location
US
>Source
Desktop, Smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized with inline mic
>Open or closed
Closed is preferred
>Comfort level
6+ hours of work, 3+ hours of gaming in desktop
>Preferred music
Alternative rock, progressive
>Past headphones
Peasant Sony's MDR studio shit...
>>54366504
>Full-sized with inline mic
>headset
>>54366385
>>54366423
>little experience with mid/high end headphones
>like grados
no shit sherlock
>>54366504
K551
>>54366512
brain fart, sorry
>budget
$100 USD
>location
turkish republic (don't hate)
>source
pc without sound interface (not mac), for listening to music: pioneer amplifier
>preferred type
over ear or on ear
>open or closed
closed
>comfort
I want the headphones for monitoring. so it needs to be able to use for long hours.
>preferred tonal balance
as I said, I want it for reference. so I want it all balanced
>preferred music
techno, house (both listening and producing
>past headphones
sennheiser cx-200, sennheiser hd-205
so /g/ and dearest /hpg/ people, I want the nicest budget studio headphones for producing dance music.
>Budget
$200-300
>Amp/DAC
Fiio e10k
>Favorite Music Genre
Rock, Hip Hop and Metal
>>54367245
Open? Closed? On ear? IEM?
>>54367305
None.
Be honest with me, is there REALLY a significant difference between the HD600 and HD650? The 600s cost only slightly less here but I don't like the blue color very much.
>>54360318
http://www.amazon.com/SoundMAGIC-E10S-Ear-Isolating-Earphones-Mic-Silver-Black/dp/B00LBZSV7W
Is this a good buy?
>>54367305
I tend to prefer closed back due to noisy roommate but I am willing to try opened style
>>54367350
Of course. Let me break it down for you in a simple way. If the HD800 are the kanon for which we compare everything to:
HD650 is 60% there
HD600 is 56% there
HD700 is 50% there
>>54367512
the hd800 is worse than the hd600. Even zeos found that out this week. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jVSKCRSYRU
>>54367550
>zeos
he's nothing but a bafoon.
>>54367568
Everybody knows that the hd800 is objectively colored and worse. We knew this before his review, and now its confirmed.
>>54367588
Have you looked at the measurements? there is so much more clarity and detailed on the HD800, there is no contest. Also on build quality the HD800 are leagues ahead. I won't even get to imaging and sound stage because the HD600 have non. HD800 are just superior in every way. Get it through your thick skull poorfag.
Superior detail. Superior clarity. Superior imaging. Superior speed. HD800.
>>54367629
>there is so much more clarity and detailed on the HD800, there is no contest.
This comes from the JACKED treble, causing over sibilance and overall coloration. Its a fun headphone compared to the hd600.
>>54367661
HD800 or HD800s?
>>54367671
No its not. Look the FR graphs tell you nothing about detail and clarity. They are a poor representation of detail because they don't plot enough points to create them. Think of it as a JPEG image vs the RAW original. HD600 vs HD800.
There is so much more data present on the RAW file than on the JPG. The JPEG will look okay to most but the RAW will so much better. It's like 1080p 20mb/sec vs the color depth of UHD 100mb/sec. Looks the same from afar but
once you compare there is no match.
>>54367701
HD800s if you've got the money.
>>54367747
>Think of it as a JPEG image vs the RAW original. HD600 vs HD800.
No, one just has boosted highs (hd800). Its colored and unnatural. stop trying to shill a product that costs 4x as much and is colored.
>>54367766
I'm not trying to shill this. I was advising the other anon to get the HD650s. Idiot.
Total Foobar noob here , any gewd Techno/Trance presets ?
What does /g/ think of these?
Fastest most detailed drivers?
1.Electrostatics
2.Balanced Armatures
3.Planar Magnetics
4.Dynamic
>>54367888
>dynamics
no thanks.
>>54368007
what are dynamics?
>>54368175
they use dynamic drivers which are shit and out classed these days.
Are burn-in CD's memes?
>>54368238
yes
>>54368175
>>54368007
Not sure but from what i remember from learning an instrument I assume he is referring to the loudness and softness of music playback?
Just got my Schiit Stack which I use for my Fidelio X2's. I think I'm done upgrading for a while.
>>54368230
What are some alternatives to the MSR7NC's?
About to get the Soundmagic E10 once again (first pair was stolen) after trying out the HiFiMAN RE-400. I really hate the RE-400 to be honest. After a week, the R/L plastic sleeve identifiers came loose, and the cable noise kind of annoyed the hell out of me.
>>54369166
>the cable noise kind of annoyed the hell out of me.
Did you wear it down ears? One of the easiest tricks in dealing with microphonics is to wear it over ears. Another is to use a cable clip. How do they compare in regards to sound quality?
>>54369256
I did that a few times, but it even had the upper-wire tie that you can slide up to your neck to reduce movement. Trouble is, I'm a cyclist that commutes 11 miles a day, so...
Sound quality: noticeably better with the E10, but that might be because I prefer higher bass - it did have a wire clip attached to it and the wires were crimped so it had a better build quality. For the price, fucking 35 dollars or something, it's way worth it. Can't say the same about the RE-400 at 50.
>>54369313
You liked the sound of the RE400 better than the E10 but don't see it worth the $15 difference?
>>54369361
No, I liked the sound of the E10 more than the RE-400. I said noticeably better WITH the E10.
>>54369369
Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you should try the Xiaomi Piston 3 just to round out the cheap IEMs.
> Your headphones have more bass than Beats
> You unironically enjoy them
Am I allowed to post here?
>>54369396
What headphones do you enjoy more than Beats? What model Beats were they?
>>54369388
Haha, why not. I'll add it to the wish list for when these inevitably fail from my !HARDCORE! bike commuter lifestyle.
>>54367512
I've compared all side by side at an audio shop in Dallas. I walked out with the hd650. The hd800 had the best soundstage and imaging for sure, but their sound signature sucked, they're bright as fuck. I dig the smooth sexual sound of the hd650 more than any headphone I've heard so far. Sounds way more natural and you aren't losing any details they aren't just being shoved in your face like the hd800. (Still waiting to try the hd800s).
Does using one of these affect the quality of sound you hear through the pair of headphones you're wearing?
>>54370356
Every component in the chain has the possibility of coloring/distorting sound. The shortest chain is always best. Including a non-shielded wire like that y-splitter.
>>54370386
So in other words, there is no inherent large impact from using a splitter?
>>54370356
it depends. ideally the split would be transformer isolated, because driving two different reactive loads can cause loading effects that will distort the signal.
for most cases it's fine.
>>54370413
Unlikely but possible.
Thinking of buying some HD650s and I'm wondering - do I really need a headphone amp?
I only ever listen through my laptop, which to my own reasonably discerning ears has excellent audio quality through the headphone jack. Absolutely zero hiss and the sound is rich, balanced and detailed with no "audio enhancement" software bullshit. My last laptop had a tinny and harsh tone through the headphone jack so I rarely listened to it, but my current one sounds great. So would a headphone amp actually be necessary to make HD650s a worthwhile purchase? My current headphones are HD555s.
>>54371077
What's wrong with not buying a HD600?
>>54371195
Not the same anon but some people prefer the sound of the 650 over the 600. I chose the 650 over the 600 as it goes well with more genres. For example, thanks to the heavy organ music in the Phantom of the Opera the 650 were more pleasing.
>>54371195
I don't understand what you're saying. If you mean why am I not buying HD600s instead of HD650s, it's because from what I've heard, the 650s would suit my tastes better.
>>54371077
>do I really need a headphone amp?
Hmm. Maybe. Maybe not. the HD600/650 are (in)famous for being easily driven but not really able to shine without an amp. I usually use my amp with my 650s. My Cowon DAP and Note 5 have the power to get good volume but the amp provides a better sound floor/lowers the subtle hiss. It also relieves the congested sound that comes from the weaker Tab S (though its been a while since I used it for music so the memory is kind of fuzzy).
>>54361235
they are bassheavy as fuck
>>54370356
Is this splitter for 2 headphones or for mic headphone? If its first, then sound will be queter as signal will need to drive two pairs. No other impact on quality.
>>54367747
There is same amount details on raw as jpeg. Raw used for post-processing.
Can someone help me identify the type of sound on these earphones (http://www.amazon.com/Koss-PATHFINDRW-Lightweight-Stereophone-Control/dp/B001S0NTMC)?
They've definitely got bass emphasis, but I can't tell if they're definitely basshead or if they're v-shaped. Trying to upgrade to a similar sound.
>Budget
30-40€
>Source
laptop
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized, covering full ears.
>Comfort level
2h+
>Preferred music
Rocek/Metal.
>Past headphones
sennheiser hd 201
Thanks.
>>54366742
Sony MDR7506.
>budget
20$
>Usage
PC gayman and music
>type
over head bow
I care for mic quality.
Are sades any good?
I NEED MORE BASS GUYS
current rig:
>note 4 + viper4android
>z02 amp
>xb500, q40, or vmoda lp (I switch it up time to time)
I need more man. MORE.
>>54371773
This suggestion is on point. If you can, try to cop the mdr-7506/mdr-v6 when they go on sale.
Hell, I got one sitting in my closet for backup just in case my current pair gives out. It's that fucking good.
I also suggest getting some pads 'cause the pleather ones wear out fairly quick. Give the brainwavez replacement for the mdr-v6 a spin (went with the velour ones and they are comfy as fuck but the sacrifice is that the bass response took a SLIGHT hit).
>>54371934
Koss portapro + Zalman Mic 1.
This is the cheapest you can get for quality and it still kicks ass when compared to regular headsets.
In you opinion, which one looks better/less worse?
>>54361572
if you think the m40x is v-shaped you would find the m50x unbearable and something like the dt990 would kill you.
>>54372263
I'd probably like the second one more 'cause that base hump.
For me the first one would sound anemic.
>>54361750
Speed is given by the frequency response and so is detail. Distortion can play a role in the detail part too. Resolution is not a thing/measurement in headphones or loudspeakers.
>>54362892
You have no idea what you are talking about. Audiophile pseudo-science.
What's a good mic for under $20? I need two of them and I'd honestly would not like to spend the entire $40 I have allocated for this purchase.
Purpose:
gaming
Something I could attach myself like a diy is preferred but if not then whatever gives the best performance:price.
>>54368300
Don't fall for the retarded transducers type meme. I don't know about the NC version but MSR7 seems good.
>>54371521
The Plug is one of the worst sounding in-ears I've ever heard because of the bass. There's a crazy amount of it. Goldenears measured them.
>>54362949
look at the damn measurements yourself.
>>54362429
well detail resolution to the listener is often a subjective experience, so in that sense it is subjective. in terms of "real" detail retrieval you're right but it's what you hear that matters. this is why colored headphones can be considered detailed or good for monitoring, who cares if you're being "tricked" into noticing stuff more?
>>54364172
better than pleb shit like earpods basically. obviously you're not going to hear detail that's not on the recording and unless there was some very strange production the producer has heard it all. chasing "detail" in the high end is pointless anyways, there are cheap as fuck headphones that will already reveal pretty much everything on a recording.
>>54364187
lsr305, usually between 200-350 a pair.
>>54366404
the earpads are supposed to come off, that pic is showing the problem that they don't come off easily on some models. x2 is one of the most durable on the market.
>>54371961
I guess this is too much of a request for you sibilance loving, treble blasting shitters.
>>54360318
Thats a guitarworld Jimmy Page poster from like 15 years ago
I had it on my wall a long time ago
>Budget
300$, flexible
>Location
USA
>Source
PC, Sound Blaster Z sound card
>Preferred type of headphone
Full size
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
Comfy, @ my pc all day with headphones
>Preferred music
Rap
>Past headphones
AKG q702 (just broke after a few years), hated how easy it was for someone around me to hear my headphones while on my head at low volume
>>54367888
this /g/ guide recommends them, Idk what dynamic drivers mean tho.
>>54366239
don't get the hm5 pads, they place the driver too far away. with the th02 you want v6-compatible pads, on the shallower side and not too big.
>>54367512
so much wrong with this.
hd600 is the best overall and most balanced.
hd650 is very warm and the "veil" is quite apparent.
hd800 does some things very well but ultimately it's a bright, fatiguing headphone that is less balanced than the 600.
hd700 is a mess and belongs in the trash.
>>54372263
top. looks easier to eq. treble on the bottom would be a bitch.
>>54372312
zalman clip
>>54372428
try the 681 evo. though you might be better off just eqing down the upper mids and treble on what you have. or lay down next to a sub.
>>54372500
pm3
>>54372517
>>54372517
like a previous anon said, don't fall for the driver type meme. they can all be good or bad. all you need to know is dynamics are most headphones, and all cheap headphones. planars tend to be more expensive but they can be driven by the same amps as dynamics and in most cases as easily. electrostatic headphones require special amps, but if you buy them new they usually come with one, that's part of the reason they tend to be the most expensive
>>54372570
>hd600 is the best overall and most balanced.
>hd650 is very warm and the "veil" is quite apparent.
>hd800 does some things very well but ultimately it's a bright, fatiguing headphone that is less balanced than the 600.
>hd700 is a mess and belongs in the trash.
>>54372570
Wow dude, you can regurgitate things you saw other equally clueless people saying on the internet.
>>54372422
Often times you don't actually want higher detail retrieval, the headphones I listened to before the HD800's had much more hyped sound, which actually brought out details to the point I could hear shitty matching between electronic and acoustic sounds and you could easily hear sounds made by the people playing in an orchestra. Same tracks on the 800's you can still hear those sounds if you listen in knowing where the fault already is, but it's easier to ignore it. Hyped headphones have higher detail retrieval in the frequency bands they're hyped in, not flat ones.
>>54372570
>hd800 does some things very well but ultimately it's a bright, fatiguing headphone that is less balanced than the 600
Have you owned/listed to them for any significant period of time, or just parroting what you've seen online? The 800's are some of the smoothest sounding headphones I've ever heard. the slight resonant peak at 6~7k you can tune down with EQ/mods if it bothers you that much.
>>54372759
>>54372788
2/2
Would you agree?
Is there a consensus regarding the 7.1 surround headsets?
>>54372850
Literal memes.
Surround is created via HRTFand good drivers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oSlbyLAksM
Avoid "surround" headsets like the plague
>>54372850
If you really want post-processed pseudo surround, get a good pair of headphones and use a program like this http://www.razerzone.com/surround or CMSS-3D from creative sound cards. The experience will be much better than any meme "7.1" headset
>>54372183
Can someone suggest a headset that isn't trice my budget and wouldn't pull my hair out every time.
>>54372916
For 20€ is a bit hard
>>54372788
>>54372796
Looks different from the inner fidelity measurements, which also happen to show square waves and impulse response, in which the HD600 isn't quite up to par. The FR is close enough that you can EQ them to be identical with no effortl, assuming you can hear such small differences in response. When people say ear-raping treble you'd think they were talking about a 12db difference, not sub-6.
>>54373188
I like personalaudio. I've listened to the DT990 for 2 weeks (ended up returning them) and I fully agree with this measurement. This is true sibilance.
>>54372683
learn to quote
>>54372422
>well detail resolution to the listener is often a subjective experience, so in that sense it is subjective. in terms of "real" detail retrieval you're right but it's what you hear that matters.
call it something else then. it's not subjective how accurately a pair of headphones can reproduce the sound contained in a recording, just like it's not subjective how accurately the pictures taken by a camera represent the real world.
>this is why colored headphones can be considered detailed or good for monitoring
the only good argument i've heard for colored monitoring headphones is that it's easier to catch clipping if the treble is amplified.
>who cares if you're being "tricked" into noticing stuff more?
everyone who appreciates music should care. you will end up paying more for less.
>>54373217
>+7db at 7k, dip, +12db at 10k
Ouch, my ears hurt just looking at this graph.
>>54355831
Got it. It's in mint condition too. I'm happy it. Now I'm just waiting for my Custard X20 in the mail. I can tell it sounds exactly the same like my Magni 2 Uber except a tiny bit better. Objective 2 is warm. I used all of them with the Modi 2 Uber. ODAC is meh.
>>54373188
Square waves are useless if frequency response is given. IF and Personalaudio use different target curves.
>>54373499
Ah forgot. I greatly prefer the Objective 2 + Modi 2 Uber combo. I say it sounds warm but I like that. HPA V100 is bright and not suitable for HD800 but it beats Magni 2 Uber by 2% or 5 by me.
>>54373587
>hey guys ill list these completely transparet amplifiers and DA-converters and parrot what audiophools like me think they sound
Stop posting.
>>54373619
Okay senpai.
Any cheap <120 USD for my new Beyer DT 250 80 ohms?
>>54373662
cheap DAC*
>>54373662
>>54373678
Just a straight DAC? Modi 2.
Do you need one?
>>54373744
I'm not sure a more informed friend in headphones recommended a DAC to get the full potential of my new headphones. Then he proceeded to recommend me a fucking 400USD DAC
>>54373774
Just get an E10k and be done with everything.
Is this kind of cable more durable than the plastic one?
>>54373499
>>54373587
How can one sound warmer than the other if they're all transparent?
>>54373774
> DAC
> get most out of a headphone
A dac converts 0s and 1s to an analog signal. If you already have a dac (eg a fucking PC) just get an amp if they sound anemic or not loud enough
400$ DACs are pure, unadulterated placebo
>>54373913
I think it's because my O2+ODAC didn't come with the original power brick. That power brick says that it's from Powertech. Is that the right one for it?
>than the other
Because I own all of them. I can ace the blind test but I have to pick the track/sound clip.
Are Complys placebos or are they just too expensive for what they're worth?
>>54373913
This one. And if you compare it to the one in the website. That one has 500mA and my power brick is 1500mA. Doesn't that make it sound differently? The Powertech adapter is what Noisymotel gave me.
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/73/g-e-z-15vac-adapter-for-o2/
>>54374030
>Are Complys placebos
They conform to your ear canal so they can be more comfortable and isolate better than standard silicone tips. How is this placebo?
>>54374103
I haven't tried them so I'm asking for feedback since it's kinda costly for a pair of eartips. Do they hold up well against wax and sweat? Are there equivalent alternatives to them?
>>54374213
complys change the sound, making everything nigga bassy and muddy
Does it matter if this clear strap thing here gets severed? Mine is like 90% cut through due to general wear and tear using the phones, I assume that the thicker black outer band will hold everything together even when it fully snaps but I'm not 100% sure. Is it worth RMAing them for? I've spoken to a representative over e-mail and they said I can send them in if I want, but I worry that the headphones will sustain worse damage in shipping than this would have caused. That or they'll find some reason to disqualify my warranty and I'll wind up having to pay some unspecified amount of money.
>>54374286
lmao, I look up and it is said that you can mod the tip to lessen the muddiness, to some extent whilst risking fucking up your complys
>>54373931
>>54373787
>>54373744
Alright thanks. I think Im pretty happy with the volume on my S6 Edge so I guess I'll hold off on a DAC
>>54374300
No, mine are both snapped, it's just a rail to keep the band more centered.
This might be a dumb question, but if I buy imported headphones from Japan can I still play English audio on them?
>>54374563
No. English audio signals are 220 volt the Japanese headphones that were made for 110 just won't handle them
>>54371773
>>54372009
hey thanks for the answers. I've been considering the mdr's but there's one thing I forgot to add. I want to use the headphone also outside. I think mdr's are too big for this eh? I would love a pair of monitor headphones with the shape of hd-25 ii's but they're damn expensive. is there any equivalence to those ones?
>>54374563
Anon...
>>54374753
It's like you've never tried to listen to your music upside down, by wearing your headphones like this.
>>54375117
you need to be taught how to post.
>>54372368
I don't think the Plug is the exact same as the panthfinder, I've used both.
So if it's too bass heavy, I guess that means it's basshead?
>Budget: $500 flexible
>Location: yourop
>Source: phone
>Preferred type of headphone: full
>Open or closed: open maybe?
>Comfort level: comfy for home use
>Preferred tonal balance: wtf
>Preferred music: soundtracks with nigga bass, must hear a good bass
>Past headphones: Koss KE5K
>>54375325
Oppo PM-3
>>54375336
>OPEN
You retards don't even read past the price.
Although I don't know why >>54375325
would drive them with a phone.
>>54375832
no, I think he also read 'nigga bass' and his post was quite interesting, Gonna read all the reviews on that Oppo pm3
>>54375325
> open with nigger bass
Shouldn't you be asking for closed headphones?
>>54372623
Actually that's incorrect. It's been known for years that planars and electrostats offer superior resolution and fidelity. Dynamics have only been good at one thing and that's sound stage (not imaging) because their drivers can be more easily positioned in order to create the illusion of space.
>>54375325
Fidelio X2 if you want open.
>>54373587
magni and modi are trash for the HD800 since the HD800s are very picky about amps. They all sound different and the magni and modi sound cold and sibilant. The only amps you should consider for the HD800 are tube amps.
>>54366239
HyperX Cloud/Pro80 isn't worth it when the NVX XPT100 is similarly priced.
>>54376333
>>54376389
quality shitposting. keep going.
>>54376432
how is that shitposting nigger?
>>54376389
>>54376333
low quality baits here all day
right now my headphones sound too quiet even with the volume turned all the way up on my pc. i know this is because theyre not getting enough power and i probably need a DAC. will getting a cheap DAC work fine? im no audiophile and want to know if any DAC under $20 is good enough for this
New zeos review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9bm_3lwELA
>>54376348
HD650 are probably better than that
>>54376527
>>54376432
I don't see how any of those statements aren't true. HD800s are by definition very sensitive and anything AMP will change what they sound like, either from not getting enough power or from amp design not being transparent.
I guess i'm being trolled here since none of you have actually tried them for yourselves. Oh well, to each their own.
>>54376389
did you watch Z review or you just shitposting randomly?
>>54373587
I'm here again and I gotta apologize for something. HD800 on a HPA V100 is neutral and it is naturally bright sounding.
I hear more sound quality compared to the O2 and Magni 2 Uber. Just like upping the graphics in a vidya game from high to max.
Axel Grell paired the HD800 with a V100 back in the day when making the HDVD800 amp. You can google that up.
My thoughts is I wished that the V100 was warmer when I first got it. That's why I said that and I'm sorry.
I've read that the V200 is warmer but V100 is more neutral. I've read reports of people regretting getting a V200 when paired with a HD650.
I could have purchased a Gustard H10 for a little bit more money instead but I opted for something German made and neutral for an amp.
>>54376844
And fuck. It looks like a reddit post. Sorry senpais.
>>54373499
>>54373587
>>54362892
>>54368230
>>54376333
>>54376389
>>54376813
No this is a known fact. If you don't do the Anax mod pr the latest Sorrodje mod on the HD800 to kill that 6khz peak you get an amp to do it. Why are all these poor fuckboys so salty...
>>54376844
It doesn't matter since dynamic drivers are sluggish and not as controlled as ortho dynamics or electrostats. if you're going to be spending that much on an amp and a pair of headphones you might as well get something good like the stax l700 or koss esp 950 or what ever audeze you can afford. At this point there is no reason to have a totl dynamic.
>>54376455
Not that anon but how is it not? All what was said in those posts has no correlation what is actually happening.
Magni and Modi are not "cold" or "sibilant", they are neutra and measurably sol. Tube amplifiers aren't inherently warm. I've seen measurably bright tube amplifiers but a lot of them just show higher levels of distortion and transformer output designs generally tend to show frequency response roll off especially in the low end. This is often orders of magnitude smaller than what your headphones show and often not audible aside from horrible designs.
Amplifiers can be easily proven not to sound different from each other given they exceed certain levels in noise floor, distortion and frequency response. Same is equally true for DACs which tend to perform exceptionally well nowadays.
Transducer type is a means to an end. Comments about dynamic drivers being somehow worse than planars or electrostats are idiotic. Correlating soundstage with transducer type even more so. Using word "resolution" here is also incorrect and fidelity is not related to the transducer type.
>>54376619
HD 650s are somewhat insensitive.
>>54376506
You need an amplfier.
>>54376640
>HD800s are by definition very sensitive
The opposite.
>AMP
Not an abbreviation.
>not getting enough power
Limits volume, nothing else.
>from amp design not being transparent
Aside from highly compromised/terrible designs or amplifiers designed to color the sound transparency is something many amplifiers do already.
>I guess i'm being trolled here since none of you have actually tried them for yourselves.
Yours or anyone else's subjective impressions are as good as worthless. I own HD 800 if that makes you feel any better but it's completely irrelevant to the discussion here and isn't going to prove anything.
>>54360318
best amp under 100$?
>>54377038
It's time for you to go and learn what you talk about, before you talk.
>>54377038
How would you rank balanced armatures or even the multi driver ones?
>>54376981
>HD800
>expensive
when will this meme end?
>>54377309
balance armatures are pretty fast but i don't feel i get the fullness and transients of a good pair of planars. I've never been a fan of BA. As for multi driver set ups i loved what i heard from the Enigma Acoustics Dharma (dynamic and electrostat) but i prefer single driver solutions as the dynamic driver ruined low end detail and into the lower midrange.
>>54377268
hey guideanon. let's fix the guide later.
>>54377335
Wasn't it a decade ago that people thought that the HD600/DT880/K701 were flagship and expensive during those years back then? And now we have $1k headphones.
Anyone got to try Status Audio OB-1? are they any good?
>>54377374
Fucking $1k for something you will most likely own for several years. It always feels like people who consider them to be expensive are some 12 year old retards who looked up the most expensive sennheiser headphones and thought it was funny.
>>54377382
Is that the headphone on youtube without any branding or logos? I didn't watch it.
>>54377404
>>54377335
>1600$ headphones
>2,600$ amp
>700$ dac
This isn't expensive to me but it's expensive to most of /g/
>>54377409
Yeah probably HC uploaded a video on them today.
>>54377276
e10k
>>54377461
thanks, senpai!
>>54376981
I don't understand, why even bother modding headphones or buying tube amps when you can just eq down the 6khz peak? Is modding headphone just another head fi meme?
>>54377373
What needs fixing?
>>54377521
The HD800 S fixed that 6khz peak. The original HD800 has a peak because of a design issue. EQing the issue is like painting over a shit covered wall without cleaning it first
>>54377374
I never thought any of those were expensive ever... $1k headphones are for sure though. In fact I own K702s and DT770s and they are only low-mid range in my eyes but enough for the enthusiast to be happy with. I guess 1k wouldn't actually be expensive if they were absolutely perfect and you would never want anything else ever.
>>54377434
>2,600$ amp
>700$ dac
lmao
>>54377434
Make the amp and dac price the other way around. I think DACs are worth paying more than a solid state amp.
>>54377733
wat
Which would be better and why?
Hifiman HE-400s Headphones
vs.
5 driver dynamic earphones (Getting a deal for the same price as the headphones)
So basically, can a $1000 pair of IEMs beat $300 headphones?
>>54377756
I mean buy a Yggy DAC and a $700 solid state amp.
>>54377774
But why? Personally the only high end dac I would ever consider would be one of the benchmark dacs
>>54377814
Oh no reason why. I just wanted to flip the price on his post.
>>54377606
add: hex, pm-2, thx00
remove: r70x, hd 800, he-560, k702
i've added the old sub-$200 guide to the wiki, which contains dt 250. it should either be removed from the $200+ plus guide, or you could add some cons and i could remove it from the under $200 guide.
>>54377434
holeee shiiiit, thats a lot of cash
could buy a car for that
>>54378095
> a
You could buy at least 2 used cars.
>>54378095
>>54378118
>buying cars when you could get that sweet sweet placebo boost to sound quality
are you serious?
>>54378118
yea maybe even two cars
damn I hate those fags who come here and say they have unlimited budget.
fuck I am poor.
>>54378161
They're the 1%
i don't feel bad because I live in portugal and everyone's poor except the 0.1%
>>54378183
It's the god damn middle class Americans. Always the vocal minority.
>>54378183
>first worlders in /g/
>1%
So you have never seen the salary circlejerk threads?
>>54377861
>Bottom
Stupid suggestions, i won't consider them.
>>54378095
To me it's not. I've spent more on a stax set up. Also the used car analogy is tiresome, why would you want a used piece of junk you're going to end up paying hundreds in repair and maintenance, hundreds in gas a year, and not to mention the fact that you have to pay for insurance. It's pocket change that's wasted to me. i'd rather own a good new car which will be reliable to me than to spend thousands on something i won't enjoy and will be a thorn in my paw. Pro tip, if you can't afford it then don't come here and post about it.
meme aside which one should I buy?
Mojo = $560
HA-2 = $373
also planning to buy HE400s as my first plannar HP
I already ordered K702's a while back. Will they have the same mids as my Dunu 2000J's?
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/AKGK702.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/DunuDN2000J.pdf
>>54377861
>k702
When dt880 is still there.
>>54378382
>meme aside which one should I buy?
>Mojo = $560
>HA-2 = $373
memes aside, none of them.
>also planning to buy HE400s as my first plannar HP
you will be disappointed if you're buying them for the bass
>>54378412
dt 880 is more accurate and comfortable than k702.
>>54378490
what can you recommend an alternative amp/dac then?
do they lack punchy bass?
>>54378555
>what can you recommend an alternative amp/dac then?
O2+ODAC
>do they lack punchy bass?
yes, and quite a bit of subbass if you don't get the focuspads.
>Budget
£50-200
>Location
Home
>Source
Desktop DAC
>Preferred type of headphone
Circumaural
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
At least as comfy as my HPH-200s
>Preferred tonal balance
Flat or slightly rolled off bass, clear highs without being harsh
>Preferred music
Classical, rock and some heavy metal
>Past headphones
HPH-200, SR80e
My HPH-200s have finally broken after 4 years of faithful service. I preferred the sound of Grados but they weren't as comfortable as the Yamahas, should I just get another HPH-200 or go for something else?
>>54378623
Judging by the units he was considering, he seems to want a mobile device, which the O2+ODAC is not.
As far as mobile units go, both the HA-2 and GO V2+ are fairly inexpensive, have the same components, can drive planars, and are well rated. I'm not aware of any mobile amp+DAC combos under $300 that are actually good, but if you have something with a good DAC already (iPhone 6 for example), then all you need is an amp, no need to waste money on a DAC.
>>54378490
Just change the pads on the HE400s and you get the 400is. Truly budget kings. Also tyll put them above the venerable hd600 so either way a good value even without the mod.
Bros...
>>54378791
if he has $900 ready to throw at portable amps and DACs, he might has well just get a proper DAP like fiio x3 and be done with it instead of having to carry a huge bundle around like a sperg
>>54378870
Buy it Again
>>54377434
I am using integrated realtek in my MB. It drive them to loud level and DAC capable to produce 192khz 20bit audio. Why you need 2.600 amp and 700 dac again?
>>54360318
is it possible for a headphone to make you perceive sound from the front?
I have the M30X, MDR7506, and K702 and none of them are capable of this. Speakers are not practical for me yet until I actually have enough income to afford my own place.
How do the DT880 compare to the k702?
>>54378870
Buy it again and set my home adress
>>54364578
Reread my post. 2$ line is example of head-fi warriors lines about HD800 without 1500 amp and dac.
>>54379101
> 20 bit
You don't mean 24?
I bet it can do 32 bit too
Speaking of DACs, can anyone fucking explain to me why the fiio e10k can do 32, 44.1, 48 and 96KHz but not 88.2KHz?
>>54379143
DT880 is less sibilant and has a much better bass. K702 only really wins in the mids.
The DT880 pads are too small in diameter, which causes constant pain after an hour of use to both my ears, in different places of the ear. I find the AKGs to have fantastic confort, second to sennheisers only
>>54379170
88.2 (I'm assuming for SACD) is 1 bit and most OS's don't support handling 1 bit audio.
>>54372788
>>54372796
>>54373217
Aren't measurements between headphones a bit misleading with these arbitrary selections of frequencies to normalize plots with? Tyll uses 500Hz, doctorhead uses 1kHz, how do you determine what is the best frequency to normal plots with if some headphones could have a funky response at 500Hz or 1kHz which could easily misrepresent the sound signature of a headphone, particularly with higher or lower gain in other frequencies relative to it?
>>54378889
>$900
>Fiio X3
Not the Cowon Plenue P1 or A&K or even the X7. Someone is stuck in mid-fi.
>>54373499
>Objective 2 is warm.
Said literally no one ever. Even all the idiotphiles agree it's cold, dry and sterile. The opposite of warm.
>>54379247
The overall shape will be unchanged.
>>54379143
>>54379257
2/2
I think the 702 measurement is spot on.
>>54379247
>Aren't measurements between headphones a bit misleading with these arbitrary selections of frequencies to normalize plots with?
Are you questioning objectivists? Don't question objectivists. They don't like being reminded that there is no consensus of what equipment to use, what compensation to choose, what standards to apply, etc. are all a matter of subjective choice.
>>54379101
double dsd recordings on 32 bit. also i have more expensive headphones than you and need a lot of power. have fun being poor.
>>54379248
probably meant by DAP + HP combo
>>54378704
Anyone?
>>54379313
Even so, there are better DAPs in that price range such as the Cowon Plenue D or the A&K Jr.
>>54379297
>They don't like being reminded that there is no consensus of what equipment to use, what compensation to choose, what standards to apply, etc. are all a matter of subjective choice.
Basically they've never measured headphones themselves if they take any response graph to be absolute truth.
>>54379264
I recall Z saying from his memory o2 had some warmth to it.
>>54379412
>Z
Stopped reading here.
>>54379264
>Said literally no one ever.
Inb4 head-fi
http://www.head-fi.org/t/642401/comparison-and-review-magni-modi-vs-o2-odac/330#post_9745586
>>54379463
>these fucking walls of text over placebo
>>54379303
It can drive shitty T1 with 600omh too. Unless their effectiveness like 1v - 1db.
>>54379170
You are right. It is 32bit.
>>54379500
No the same anon but even if it is "placebo" there is evidence that contradicts the asserted "literally no one ever said it."
>>54379548
There is more evidence that impressions are all over the place to the point where people can call it warm yet other people can call it cold and somehow people believe any of the nonsense they spout.
>>54379303
>DSD
Literally worse than PCM.
>>54379264
And to clarify. My Magni 2 Uber was purchased last year.
>>54379573
>There is more evidence
Are you trying to move the goalposts from "literally no one ever?"
>>54379594
Did anyone ask?
>>54379604
If you haven't heard that figure of speech before you haven't been on this website for very long.
>>54379612
>LITERALLY
>figure of speech
I guess you do not understand what the term "literally" means.
How does the dac/amp in a decent quality avr compare to the dac/amp combos people buy exclusively for their headhphones?
I want to see if I can hear any difference on my akg cans to see if its worth putting money into.
>>54379637
You just keep on expressing how new you are here.
>Budget
120 us dollars and bellow
>Location
USA CA
>Source
on my desktop and my s5 occasionally
>Preferred type of headphone
Closed, full headphone
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
2 comfy 4 me or decent
>Preferred tonal balance
Listen to a lot of queen and instrumentals so something with moderate to low bass and not to bright
>Preferred music
QUEEN
>Past headphones
Some horseshit headset
>>54379660
I think most headphone outputs on primarily speaker amplifiers have weird output impedance so yeah I think you'll hear a difference. I remember using my K701s with some Yamaha AV receiver and it was fine though. Never compared it to the o2 however.
>>54379677
You have no response to the point that you have literally no sense of what "literally means?" Yet you continue as if someone else failed? How old are you? Twelve?
>>54379708
Just stop posting, you're somehow embarrassing yourself on an anonymous imageboard. That alone is an impressive feat.
New thread:
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>>54379527
well you have shitty headphones so who cares.
>>54379583
poorfag.
>>54379779
>has a $700 DAC
>calls me poor
LOL
DSD is garbage and doesn't justify your welfare.
>>54379719
You prove beyond question to be twelve. You make retarded claims of two terms are the same even when they are antonymous, do not have the maturity to even admit to making a simple mistake like a poor choice of words and from the looks of things you have a twelve year old's insatiable need to have the last word.
>>54379800
Why don't you just stick to r/headphones, this site clearly isn't for you and your pseudo-intellectualism.
>>54379813
>a twelve year old's insatiable need to have the last word.
>>54379788
That's for my dynamic set up which i don't care too much for. For my stax set up i use a YGGDRASIL. Welfare queen.
>>54379841
Are you posting merely because you, like a child, have an overriding need to have the last "word?" Let's test this out. There will be no point to respond to my next post as it will be "It almost hurts to be right so often." I will post it because you will shitpost yet again. Then you will respond to "It almost hurts to be right so often." proving that you have a childish need to have the last "word."
>>54379867
>YGGDRASIL.
You mean the DAC that doesn't support DSD because Schiit know DSD is nothing but a meme?
How ironic, you're genuinely retarded and think your welfare equipment is 'expensive' to anyone. I'm not sure whether to laugh at you or feel pity.
The HD598s were $130 last week but now they are $147. Why is this?
>>54379872
Then if I don't respond to your next post "of it almost hurts to be right so often" and leave you with the last word that means I do not have a need to have the last word, ie. you are wrong. Given how you responded to the repeat of:
>a twelve year old's insatiable need to have the last word.
I don't need to do anything else to prove that you have an insatiable need to have the last word. There was no point to responding to something already stated.
Please present me the opportunity to prove you wrong by posting "It almost hurts to be right so often" and then not being responded to.
>>54379922
Who cares? The 558 are better and cheaper.
>>54379932
It almost hurts to be right so often.
>>54379922
Jews.
>>54379947
>The 558 are better and cheaper.
Literally subjective.
>>54379947
is this a joke?
>>54379967
They measure objectively better and can be made worse (to sound like the HD598) by removing an adhesive foam strip from behind the driver.
>>54379968
The real joke is assuming more expensive means better.
>>54379967
>>54379968
Actually the 558 is literally the same thing but with some garbage between the driver and case
>>54379887
Okay kid. It's just a hold over till i get my hands on the Orpheus 2, but it's a long wait list and i will get in in October.
>>54379968
They are nearly the same headphones. Same drivers, measurably within a few dB of each other with differences on the level of unit to unit variation.
>>54380028
Where's your order invoice, kid?
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