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Asking "Hey guys, what's your opinion on x?" is frowned upon.
Wireless is frowned upon.
Headset requests are frowned upon.
Isolation ≠ Noise cancellation
If you dislike a headphone suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, brand x sucks"

>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones

Previous thread: >>54314640
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Hey guys whats the best wireless headset with noise cancellation? BTW my budget is ~$35 and I live in Latvia.

Thanks.
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>>54337139
>memes'n'bait - the post.

Thanks anon. Great way to start a new thread with a perfect example of how not to behave.
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Had the chance to audition IE800.
V-shaped, a little too much bass for me, 9k peak kills you with 's' but it was an interesting experience. "Fun" sound? It's definitely different compared to the SE535.

Not for me/10
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>>54337224
There's literally nothing fun about sibilance
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>>54337224
>9k peak kills you with 's'
9k has nothing to do with 's'. 's' is 5-6k
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>>54337331
Is that so? The 's' was definitely harsh, though.
Might be because I'm accustomed to the 535 sig.
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Recommend me a nice set of cans so I have a little privacy when using my PC.
>hurr durr use the template

>budget
Modest to comfortable
>location
Bongland
>source
PC
>preferred type
Full-sized, natch
>open/closed
Closed
>comfort
Not so high a priority 2bh

Yes, I'd prefer something wireless so I'm not tripping over cables. No, audio quality isn't a Priority One issue as I have a nice sound setup already - this is for when I'd prefer a little privacy instead.
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>>54337640
>this is for when I'd prefer a little privacy instead.
Get a boyfriend and stop watching porn
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>>54337651
My apartment block has notoriously thin ceilings: anything above a gentle murmur carries through the building, and I'd like to be able to play my shootman games in peace. Hence why comfort/audio quality isn't really a thing: it's not like I'll be wearing them for hours at a time.
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>>54337640
>I'd prefer something wireless
Get a wireless adapter and use it with your "nice sound setup" if you are stuck on wireless.
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>>54337640
>wireless so I'm not tripping over cables
>using them at home anyway
>not using them for extended periods so there's no need for wireless

It's like you just don't want to listen when everyone you ask tells you wireless fucking sucks.
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>>54337732
I'm not married to the idea or anything: it'd just be nice to not have another cable to trail around. Feel free to recommend a wired set instead!
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>>54337754
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-wireless#mbUbTjw1qmwxl5gs.97
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>>54337640
>Modest to comfortable
Need an actual number. That is a subjective term that could mean anything from tens of thousands to £30.
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>>54337770
Let's say anywhere up to £250, then.
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>>54337640
>Modest to comfortable
The fuck is this?

MSR7
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>>54337797
innerfidelity gives you some recommendations
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Good buy?
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>>54337764
>>54337802
Thanks; I'll take a look.
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>>54337806
>wireless
>surround
>gaming

It's like you don't even want to spend your money on something good.
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Is it a good idea to pair a Chord Mojo with a HD650?

I want a decent, capable amp that i can bring along with my with on my trips, without tethered down to a desktop setup
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>>54338600
Got a laptop? E10k.
Just want a portable DAC/amp combo to connect to your phone? HA2 or E18k.

The Mojo is overpriced/overhyped as fuck and pairing is a meme.
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>>54338600
The Mojo isn't bad, but it's a lot more expensive then comparable portable DAC/amp combos that perform just as well, like the Oppo HA-2, Geek Out V2+ and Micro iDSD. The Micro is close in price, but it also has a much larger battery, 1/4" jack and more extras.
Any of these have more than enough output to power even low-sensitivity planars.
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>>54338721
>>54338761

thanks, will look into HA-2 and ifi.
its just that someone brought a mojo at a meet and i was impressed with the build quality, and how it sounds on a he-400i
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Can someone explain multibit to me? Why is it such a meme and is there any theoretical basis to it improving soundstage/imaging (like everyone seems to claim)?
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Looking to move up from AD700 and MTH50x.
How are oppo pm3? don't mind if they re big as long as they re durable too.
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>>54339034
>multibit
What is this?
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>>54339034
>is there any theoretical basis to it improving soundstage/imaging (like everyone seems to claim)
Expectation bias.
Post-purchase rationalisation.
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>>54339034
I found a pretty good explanation on Head-Fi of all places
>I'm not sure if you can/should group R-2R in with "multibit" since there are multibit delta-sigma DACs (in fact, many modern designs (since 2000) are multibit), and often when I see "multibit DAC" written it is usually talking about multibit delta-sigma, as opposed to some other principle. As far as explaining the differences between them, the really short version is that R-2R (or "resistor ladder") DACs and delta-sigma DACs perform their conversion in different ways, and some people preference one over the other (some like their toast buttered up, and others like their toast buttered down). For a somewhat longer answer, see the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital-to-analog_converter#DAC_types
>I would not honestly go as far as saying delta-sigma "sucks so much" but more that R-2R is seemingly the buzzword du jour. Eventually the hypetrain will move on to something else. This doesn't mean you should avoid R-2R-based products, but instead realize they're just another way to skin the same cat, and depending on your personal taste, you may like that way better than some other way, or you may not (or you may not even notice much of a difference).

>>54339135
In theory - processing the audio at a higher bit depth to avoid approximation errors.

>>54339140
I agree, show me the receipts! (measurements)
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>>54339313
>In theory - processing the audio at a higher bit depth to avoid approximation errors.
Like changing the audio settings in windows from 16 bit 44.1khz to 24 bit 96khz?
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>>54338988
What did you have for comparison? Your phone probably doesn't have a very good dac, nor does your laptop. People will tell you "transparency has been acheived" and they're right, but that doesn't mean every chip is 100% transparent, only that good DAC's can be transparent for cheap and that buying a really expensive one for the sound quality is a waste of money.

If you want similar performance for really fucking cheap check out the cambridge dacmagic XS, it's an ESS9023 and it costs like 1/4 the price that the mojo does.
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>>54339036
Read the pastebin, the information in that thing is invaluable and stops us having to ask each of those questions to everybody asking for recommendations.
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Hey /hpg/, considering buying some Beyerdynamic DT 770 Pro headphones, but I've heard that the lifespan tends to be pretty short for Beyerdynamic stuff, that an amp is needed for the DT770 and there's a 32, 80 and 250 ohm models. I can't find any info on what this means.
Any help?
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>>54339313
>I found a pretty good explanation on Head-Fi of all places
it's not very good when he is implying there is an audible difference

>>54339523
>I've heard that the lifespan tends to be pretty short for Beyerdynamic stuff
doesn't apply to any of their popular headphones
>that an amp is needed for the DT770 and there's a 32, 80 and 250 ohm models
you don't know if you're gonna need an amp until you've tried out the headphones without one. it's unlikely that you're going to need one for the 80 and 30 ohm models.
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>>54339617
I might just buy them then, I just bought some Sony MDR-7506s, but they're just so uncomfortable that I need to return them.
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>>54339324
Not really, it's similar to using higher precision compute like FP64 instead of FP32, you end up with largely the same result, but the former is absolutely sure that the number it produced is the correct one. Even if your audio device can output 24-bit, it's probably a gross approximation of the original sound.
Multi-bit R-2R DACs don't have bit depths much higher than 20-bit, because there's no point, 16-bit already has the dynamic range to reproduce sounds between absolute silence and standing next to a jack hammer within the same file, what is more important is attempting to reproduce the existing 16-bits accurately, which can't be done if you're working in the same depth as the source.

>>54339617
Except for the part where he said there may not be one
>you may like that way better than some other way, or you may not (or you may not even notice much of a difference).
Literally just a roundabout way of saying expectation bias.
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>>54339036 >>54339379
Apologies for before.
Would like them to be quite durable and retard proof.
>Budget
<600 AUD
>Location
Australia
>Source
S7 Edge/ Desktop
>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
very much

>Past headphones
MTH-50X, AD-700s.
Really liked the MTH-50X but I have big ears and they made my ears sore after prolonged use (>2hours).
Loved the 3D wing designs of the AD700s for long sessions and gaming but definitely can't bring em outside- easily leaks sound. Wouldn't mind a high impedance headphone .
have a rarely used FiiO K1
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>>54339715
Why can't it be done? Wouldn't that only be a problem if you downgrade the bit-rate? Does that mean that upsampling DAC's are better at more accurately producing sound from a 16-bit file?
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>>54339715
>you may like that way better than some other way
=you may like multibit
>or you may not
=you may not like multibit
>(or you may not even notice much of a difference).
=you may not have a strong preference because the difference is small

if he had left out the word "much", the meaning would have been totally different
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>>54339757
ATH-M50x, not MTH

You forgot to tell us what you want them to sound like. Oppo PM3, beyer t70, NAD VISO HP50, beyer DT770 DT250 DT150, Sennheiser HD25-ii HD380, AKg K167 K267 K550

There are more options. What do you want them to sound like?
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>>54339862
Just stop. It doesn't even matter, you're just sperging over nothing.
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>>54339617
So I assume it would be safer to go with the 32 ohm version than the 80 ohm?
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>>54339966
go with whatever is cheapest
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>>54339983
They all cost the same.
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>>54340025
flip a coin
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>>54340025
250ohm will have less of a fluctuation in frequency response from high impedance sources.

Or if you want just go with the 32ohm for use with your portable devices.
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>>54339966
In theory a high ohm version would sound better.
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>>54339313
>>54339140
>>54339715

So is it possible that there can be improvements in soundstage?

There was a plebbit thread posted on the previous thread that caused a shitstorm. It seemed to imply that neural mechanisms of positional hearing are not well-understood and it was open to the possibility that components may have perceptible differences. Am I to believe that amps or DACs can actually affect these parameters?
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>>54339802
>Why can't it be done?
Probably not the best analogy, but let's say you need to measure the size of a box in a hallway, but the box happens to fill the hallway up in all directions, how do you tell the depth of it if you can't get around? A device that operates on the same bit depth simply assumes that what it's doing is right, even though the underlying tech is based on approximation. A multi-bit D-S DAC still produces an approximation but one it's more sure of, and R-2R doesn't approximate at all. Up-sampling and higher bit-depths simply mean that both the hallway and box are bigger, but you still can't see around it.

The problem here is that these algorithms operate on a level human ears likely aren't sensitive to, so even if a difference could be measured, could it actually still be heard? I highly doubt that.
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>>54340088
If it's anything like the dt880 there's a definite difference between the models:

http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880600ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT880250ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/BeyerdynamicDT88032ohm.pdf
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/comparison-beyerdynamic-dt-880-32-ohm-dt-880-250-ohm-and-dt-880-600-ohm-headphones-page-2#BdpJEauCwPsgEpY0.97

>To paraphrase the 32ohm version loses fidelity and the 600ohm version is best.

The treble on the 32ohm looks pretty awful, but I've seen people say there's no difference. That said that's usually from people whose ears I can't vouch for.
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>>54340115
Soundstage is primarily, if not purely, a factor of frequency response. Our ears use spatial queues in audio to determine where the sound is coming from, so the more accurately these frequencies are delivered to our ears, the better we can position sound in our mind. High frequencies are naturally more directional than low ones, so accurate highs are essential for determining space.
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>Location
Australia
>Budget
$1600 AU
>Source
O2/ODAC
>Full sized or on ear
Full sized
>Open or Closed
Open
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral without ear piercing treble.
>Past headphones
DT880 AD700 M50x K712 DT150 HD600
>What do you want to improve?
K712 are my current cans. The treble is just a bit too uneven for my liking. I'm looking for something that doesn't necessarily put the treble in the background, but I don't want it to be overemphasised. My favourite of the headphones I've had so far is the HD600 if that helps. DT880 were quite a long time ago but from memory the bass was more flat than the K712 and I would prefer to return to something like that rather than the midbass bump these seem to have. It's slight but it's there. I've looked at planars, dynamics, and electros and found the HE-560 seems to be about what I'm looking for. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Please don't just post a pair of headphones if possible. I'd like to hear a reason why I should look at them.
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>Location
Belgium
>Budget
20 eurodollars
>Source
One Plus X
>Full sized/on ear
...I'd like earbuds
>Open/closed
doesn't matter
>Preferred tonal balance
not to v shaped, but given the budget...
>Past earbuds
none
I have a SR80 since... a long time (poor)
>What do you want to improve?
Kinda happy with my SR80's but i would like something portable, so earbuds seem nice
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>>54339904
Sorry tired.
I would personally prefer the most comfortable and durable headphones out of them.

No bassy please. I guess mid centric or bright?
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>>54340504
AKG 612s
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>>54340389
he-560 is bright too.
you could check out the Ether if it's possible to get your hands on it in australia. very neutral, flat bass and has a dip in the upper treble.
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>>54340504
Those aren't your only three options.

What kind of music do you listen to? What do you concentrate on most? Drums? Vocals? Guitar? Do you listen to EDM and really only bother with Drum n Bass because the rest has too much high frequency noise?

The pick of the lot is probably the pm3.
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>>54340570
The ether is 1500US which is 1950 AU. Way outside my budget.

I'm looking at other options like the PM-1/2 and LCD-2. What is your opinion on those?
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>>54340566
Thanks I'm sorry I goddamn forget to mention to say that I intend them to use them outside as well on long trips.
>>54340579
I don't really listen to music with drums or EDMs/ rock n roll.
Are the PM3s good for large ears? As reference to the only 2 headphones i've owned: the AD700s were perfect while the ATH M50Xs made my ears hurt
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>>54339802
Upsampling DACs don't alter the bit depth.
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>>54340610
pm2 is good value for money. the treble might be rolled off a bit more than you like.
lcd-2 needs a 3rd party suspension strap before it's comfortable for prolonged use.
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I just watched a Z review and apart from the headcam giving me motion sickness he just rambles on so fucking much.

Why do people like this guy?
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>>54341030
redditors do
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>>54341030
Lack of sensibilities? No taste? Forced meme? Paid shilling?
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>>54340389
Hd800
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>>54341069
Thanks for responding but your post is pretty much the opposite of what I asked for.

>I don't want the treble to be over emphasized.
>Please don't just drop a headphone name, give me a reason.
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>>54340663
But what about the sound of the LCD-2? I've heard it's quite a bass centred headphone, but that doesn't mean much if someone doesn't tell you how much bass they prefer or give any detail as to what frequencies are boosted and how it affects the sound.
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>>54341400
it's a warm headphone. the bass is flat on a raw FR graph, which arguably means it's a bit lacking. think of it as your K712 but without the mid bass hump and with extension down to the lower limits of human hearing. pm-2's bass is similar. they're actually extremely similar all around when it comes to their sound signature.
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>>54341565
In Australia the PM2 is much MUCH cheaper than anything from LCD. I'll have to have a look into it.
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>Location
Chile
>Budget
$200 dollars (USA price)
>Source
ipod / phone // PC if they are good enough to change my hyperx
>Full sized or on ear
Full sized (over ear)
>Open or Closed
Closed
>Past headphones
Never had any other than PC headset, currently HyperX Cloud II, and I was planning to get the Sennheiser Urbanite XL they have everything i was looking for, L jack, 1.2-1.3m cable, detachable cable, comfy.
>What do you want to improve?
Noise cancellation, portables, L jack, short cable, detachable cable if possible, aesthetics
I just need some cool looking headphones for when I have to walk, take the subway and go to college.


I keep regreting of not getting the Urbanite XL, those seem to be the best option I had for $150. Im about to call today to cancel my cancellation.
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>>54341382
I just bought one and can't use them because 6.3-3.5 adapter wont fit my phone. Now I am moving back home to my PC to listen how good/bad they are. I don't want to be a single cuck on that planet, plz buy one too. Share frustration.
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>>54341773
>I just need some cool looking headphones for when I have to walk, take the subway and go to college.
I'm surprised you didn't get Beats.
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>>54337472
Thanks Anon, i just want something portable and open to fit a boompro in, i guess i'm going with it.
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>Location
England
>Budget
Preferably £50-100, but I could go higher.
>Source
My PC, I only plan to use them at home.
>Full sized or IEM's
Full sized.
>Open or closed
I'd prefer closed, but open works.
>Comfort level
I don't really care about how comfy they are, if the sound makes up for it.
>Preferred tonal balance/music
I listen to a lot of hip hop, soul, electronic music. I suppose that would mean bassy headphones would be best, but I like headphones that really let me pick the sounds apart, I guess. Not really sure how to describe it.
>Past headphones
In the past I've settled for whatever I can find on offer, like cheap Skullcandy IEM's and second hand headsets, but they've all broken on one side or the other. I want some actually decent headphones that will last, for a change. Sound clarity and being hard-wearing are the main things I'm looking for.
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>>54341914
>I only plan to use them at home.
>I'd prefer closed, but open works.
Don't want leakage to bother your roommates or something?
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>>54341960
Pretty much. I like my privacy.
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>>54341773
Hd800
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>>54341780
>>>/out/
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>>54341914
DT770 are just a little above your budget. Otherwise Takstar Pro80?
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>>54342121
I just checked the DT770's on Amazon and they're one pound above my budget, thanks man.
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Is the GUSTARD DAC-X20 worth buying? I have money to burn. But I'm very worried if a new Sabre DAC with new chips come out at the same price range.
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>>54342201
it's not worth getting anything more expensive than O2+ODAC unless you're a billionaire
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>>54342049
But I am honest Anon.
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>>54339523
Just get an e10k, it's a cheap amp+dac, it's small and reliable.
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>>54342201
http://www.amazon.com/GUSTARD-DAC-X20-384KHz-Decoder-USB/dp/B015R112XA
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Audio-DacMagic-Headphone-Black/dp/B015JET0N4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1462206417&sr=8-1&keywords=cambridge+dacmagic+xs

>ESS9018
>$799

>ESS9023
>$119

Literally no reason to buy that thing ever.
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Just bought a schiit stack for $120
They seem to be going ~$150ish on ebay so I'm thinking I did good.
Thoughts /g/?
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>>54341896
I don't know how thick boommic pro is (close to the 3,5 mm plug) but it's a bit tight towards the edge of L2. 7 mm is close (but work) and 9 mm is to much.
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>>54342627
"You bought a DAC and headphone amplifier."

That's my thoughts.
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>>54342627
Isn't that VERY cheap?, sounds good to me, or fake lel
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>>54342442
Honestly what's the fucking point in buying something like that instead of the o2 amp..
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>>54342907
Because it's both in one for $119? Besides the point, which was that there's no need to buy that overly expensive piece of buyer's remorse when the one 1/6th its price has a better chip.
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>>54343188
Oh sorry I didn't realize that one of them was only $119
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>>54342658
I see, better check that before buying, measurements on the L2 don't seem bad, but i can't find a single test with the boompro.
X2 can fit it, do you happen to know if the plug has similar room around it?
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>>54342884
It's the original version, not the ubers or the 2s.
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>>54341030
Yea I also hate how he rambles for so long without saying anything. I just watched his HD598 review and barely if at all talks about the sound quality. He just says the 600s are better
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>>54343400
Greentext is not always obnoxious autism.
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>>54343493
I watched the hd 600/650/700 video and he starts out talking about the sound, says the 600 are the best and then doesnt elaborate on why. He goes on to talk about nothing for several minutes and I just closed it.

I tried watching his r70x video and he did the same thing. "I put these on and my first thought was this is audio technica trying to compete with the hd600", then goes on to compare the fucking cup sizes of the r70x and the ad2000x.

What the shit? Is his attention span that fucking small that he can't remember what he said literally ten fucking seconds ago?
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Just a heads up for eurobros

massdrop is doing a sale on K553 so you can actually get them in EU now too
(amazon doesn't ship them to EU for some reason)
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/akg-k553-pro-studio-headphone?utm_placement=0&referer=2YVXYC&mode=guest_open&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Automated%20Daily%20Promotional%202016-05-02&utm_term=Daily%20Promotional
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>>54341780
Alright guys, just got to home and testing them. I have no words, I think this video will explain my feelings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf-wCNOYRDM

This is fuckin surround sound in compare to my old gaymen headphones. The vocal is outstanding. No remorse on spending one month salary on them anymore.
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>>54343735
still I get more info fro his reviews than from any audiophile / fidelity website
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>>54343705
I'm hungover and completely miss read it, nothing to do with the green text.
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>>54344378
$50,000 / month
WeW LaD
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>>54344524
I'm curious to know what you thought it meant now.
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>>54344567
I saw that one of the amps listed was in the high hundreds and I assumed it was the case for the second one, I don't even know why. It's not that interesting lol
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>>54344484
Like what? The fact he thinks the he-560 is identical to the he-400i when every other reviewer says it isn't? Seems to me like he's just contrary to stir up discussion and promote himself, and it works for a short while, but when people realise he's full of shit he'll have nothing to fall back on.
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>>54344378
> tubes

why.
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>>54344597
Only because I made the post. I thought I had misrepresented something.
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>>54344534
Sorry. I needed to note that it was HD800. After half an hour went back to old headphones. Holy shit, why they sound like a mud? I afraid I spoil my ears and would not be able to listen music on shitty headphones.

They sound superb on my integrated audio (Realtek ALC889), loud enough to make you deaf after several hours. I listen to flac and 240kbps mp3 and there is no that meme "sours is important" thing. They sound good at any quality (obviosly they will sound better on up to 320kbps).
Overall sound reminds me IMAX somehow.
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>>54344638
If everyone who picked them up hadn't said they were the best thing ever I would agree.
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>>54344662
Great that you enjoy them. Where are you and how much did you pay? What were your previous headphones?
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>>54344643
No lol, i'm a drunken man on my travels, ignore me.
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>>54344783
Godspeed anon, godspeed. Enjoy your rambling adventures.
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Posting this again from the last thread to get new input.
>budget: $60 or under (unless that's too much to ask)
>location: USA
>source: PC, video game handhelds, pretty much anything
>preference: full sized
>open or closed: I mean, no one listening in on me would be nice
>comfort: doesn't have to be the most comfortable pair, but comfy would be nice\
>tonal balance: as "balanced" as possible
>music: mostly some variants of rock, but I listen to other things as well
>past headphones: cheap IEM Skull Candy's and a pair of [spoiler]Turtle Beaches[/spoiler] I got for free
Although I like as much clarity as possible, I'm not the hugest audiophile. I was looking into these:
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-240-Semi-Open-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA?ie=UTF8&psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=API0ESPAS70OH

To the person asking me if I was okay with the AKG K240s having polite bass and strong highs, [spoiler]I'm not sure how it would make a difference. If someone could explain the pros and cons, that would be great.[/spoiler]
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>>54343455
X2 plug is under while L2 is more on the side and is limited by the pad (which isn't soft there).
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My earphones died last night so in need of an upgrade/replacement

>budget: up to 60 euro/gbp
>location: Europe/UK
>source: Laptop and android phone
>preference: in-ear buds
>comfort: I don't give a shit as long as they don't fall out while moving
>tonal balance: as long as it sounds good for the price
>music: mostly rock and metal, but a lot of pop, edm and similar shit as well, I like variety.
>past headphones: CX175 Sennheisers (just died ;_;), currenlty use ATH-M50Xs on my desktop as well.
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>>54344729
>from Ukraine
>Paid 28300 hryvna 1115$ But I was lucky to find it for that price in a good DJshop (Sennheiser official dealer), because they float around 1280-1310 in other online retailers.
>Steelseries siberia V1

They are perfect for my needs. Now I need only a box with potentiometer since changing sound volume in the player is a chore. Maybe O2 amp will do the trick. Not sure if I need to get ODAC with it as my integrated audio in PC good enough, but ability to connect it to PS4 might be worth as DS4 sound signal not strong enough to drive them to acceptable volume.
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>>54344662
do you need to EQ them?
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Hi guys i happen 2 own an original panasonic SA-AK50 (kinda in bad shape but i can imagine not hard 2 repair)
Do you have any idea as to how much this is worth? Not planing on selling but still id like 2 know.
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>>54345262
here in slovakia (we neighbors lol) are HD800 for 1075e thats $1240 minimal price online of course, so you got them for a gud price.
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>>54345267
No. I disabled EQ in AIMP almost right away (before used treble gain for siberia). They sound great right out the box

>>54345313
That's because shop was very generous. They fixated price week before I actually moved to Kiev and bought them. With our unstable exchange rates, they would cost 100$ more the day I bought them (if price was not fixated).

Actually DS4 can drive them to normal volume if sound set to 100% in game and in Quick menu.
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>Ordered some piston 3's
>Everything looks right
>Except for the buttons
>Worried that I got fakes
>Turns out there's been a revision
fucking chinks revisioning things maybe for the better
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Just letting you guys know, I would REALLY appreciate it if you gave me some input ASAP because of shipping date reasons.
>>54344979
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Help me out /hpg/! Thanks

>Budget
Around $100, I don't want to spend too much

>Location
US

>Source
Computer, Laptop, and Phone

>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
Using them for everyday use so I'd prefer them to be somewhat comfortable

>Preferred music
Classic Rock (Ex. Queen, Mott the Hoople, etc) as well as pop (Ex. The Weekend) I'll listen to what ever I like honestly

>Past headphones
Gemini HSR-1000 - I've had these since Nov. or Dec. of 2015 but the sound stopped working on the right side today :(

Thanks again!
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can someone explain what "mids" are?
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>>54345693
Did you open your HSR-1000 up to see if the wires are still connected to the drivers? It could be as simple as re-soldering one connection.
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>>54345728
I haven't, but I don't own anything like a soldering gun
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>>54345753
They can be had fairly cheap, and a soldering iron is a useful thing to own. Could save you a lot of money in the long run.

Up to you to decide if it's worth it though.
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>>54345708
http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
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>>54345693
>Gemini HSR-1000 - I've had these since Nov. or Dec. of 2015 but the sound stopped working on the right side today
Still under warranty?
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>>54345777
I'll have to look into it, I have been wanting to get one
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>>54345793
I didn't think of that, I'll check. Thanks
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>>54345218

bomp, pls guys, I wanna check out and order some earphones, preferably UK shops/ebay/amazon, ASAP. I need daily music in my life.
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>>54345218
Soundmagic E10
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>>54345657
Creative Aurvana Live!


http://www.amazon.com/Creative-EF0060-Aurvana-Live-Headphones/dp/B000ZJZ7OA

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate#APW4hdJVD13T6p2k.97
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>>54345778
that doesn't really help, i keep reading "recessed mids", "its mids are great". what does that mean?
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>>54345992
Someone in the last thread recommended ATH-M20x. Which pair should I go for?
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>>54346029
CAL! hands down, the ATH-Mx0X series below the M40X isn't worth it.
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since 2 days there is blood in my left ear (its really only a little bit, but it doesn't stop bleeding)
so now I'm scared to use my in ears (shure SE 215)

I'm thinking about getting over ear headphones (or whatever they are called) but I have NO idea what to look out for

I don't want people to hear anything, thats my biggest concerne
my cheap headset at home... as soon as I turn the volume up you can hear everything in my whole room

I don't want them to be too big
they need to be compact, I need them every day on my way to uni and I would like to be able to put them into my backpack without problems

I'm listening to basically everything except EDM (techno, dubstep, trance, ...)

budget: I don't really care, but I got my shure SE 215 for 100€ so I guess I don't want to spent more than 150-200€
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>>54346105
Did you rekt your ear canals using a q-tip? Try going to your doctor or buying a $10 usb endoscope camera to check for ear ruptures.
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>>54346105
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/innerfidelitys-wall-fame-full-size-sealed#gF1zaV8HmqY214kL.97
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>>54346042
Are they at least a little comfortable? They look a bit flimsy.
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>>54345992
>http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/creative-aurvana-live-classic-reincarnate#APW4hdJVD13T6p2k.97
>>54346193
Read the review cmon man.
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>>54346105
Jesus. Go see a doctor anon. Fuck headphones and /g/, your ears are worth taking care of.
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Excuse me while I leave this thread and go cry. Bleeding out of the ears is like my single most squeamish point.
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Snagged a new Grado 125i for $75, 3.5mm adapter included. Did I do good?
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>>54346810
Pretty good price if new.
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>>54345708
bump
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>>54342201
Okay. I finally bit the bullet and bought it. Please don't bait reply. I'm happy.

I purchased one from shenzhenaudio because they were having a sale. Cheaper than both ebay and aliexpress.
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>>54346974
200-2000 Hz
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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LP3AMC2
+
http://www.amazon.com/HyperX-Cloud-Gaming-Headset-KHX-H3CL/dp/B00JJNQG98/ref=sr_1_1?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1462226512&sr=1-1&keywords=HyperX+Cloud


is it worth it for games and bass music or is it just and I should just get the hyperx?
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>>54345708
Medium range frequencies of the human hearing spectrum. Think voices.
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>>54347288
Those don't need an amp.

Buy beyerdynamic dt234 and add a mic.
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>>54347325
so recessed mids mean recessed vocals?
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>>54347675
yes. if the mids are recessed, the vocals will be quieter
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>>54347742
thank you
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>>54347742
so does v shape mean that the mids are recessed since the bass and treble are boosted?
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>>54347982
yes
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>>54348013
thank you again
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>>54348052
you're welcome
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>>54348062
V shapes are terrible
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Need a new set my old shit ones broke.
>100$ Flexible
>USA
>Laptop, PC, Phone
>Full size
>Closed
>Pretty comfortable
>Classic Rock and other variants of rock (/mu/ shit)
Forgot to Label but it's easy to understand
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>>54348088
Mildly v-shaped is fine, like slightly boosted sub-bass and upper treble.

Extreme EARRAPE TREBLE, NIGGERBASS AND NO MIDS type v-shapes are terrible.
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>>54348170
>Mildly v-shaped is fine, like slightly boosted sub-bass and upper treble.
Literally DT880
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>>54348191
>like slightly boosted sub-bass
literally not dt 880
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>>54348170
What's wrong with nigrabass?
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>>54348208
WEll that certainly isn't the DT990. What is it?
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improved piston 3 successor when
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>>54348239
honestly can't think of any headphones that fit the description
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Why do you guys never post about Grado?
Also, why does head-fi incessantly post about grado?
Also, what do you think about the SR60 after Bilavideo's mods?
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Are there any headphones with a lift around the sub bass and the overall bass but then becomes neutral from the lower mids all the way to the very highs?

More or less shaped like this: \__
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>>54348338
head-fi = shill=fi
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>>54348338
head-fi is terrible. It's like the neogaf of audio instead of games
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>>54348384
>>54348362
thoughts on super best audio friends?
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>>54348338
>Why do you guys never post about Grado?
I suspect most people have never tried it. There are also the hardline "objectivists" who don't like how they measure. Then there are the rare few who have actually experienced Grado headphones and as soon as they start discussing their experiences others try to shout them down.
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>>54348338
low fidelity, bad comfort.

>>54348359
fostex th-x00 are close. i don't think headphones with emphasized subbass and normal mid- and upperbass exist. ether c goes for it, but doesn't quite make it.

>>54348402
placebophiles in the disguise of objectivists
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>>54348235
Obscures detail in frequencies below and above it. Especially bad when you EQ it and the detail isn't there anyway, as it's just used to cover it up.
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>>54348338
>Why do you guys never post about Grado?
Because I've never heard them. Though apparently they have shit treble and awful QC.

>Also, why does head-fi incessantly post about grado?
Because they incessantly post about anything that looks unique. Worst site full of placebo junkies and paid shills. Literally, they have posters revered as forum gods who work for audio companies.

>after Bilavideo's mods?
Stop. If the headphone isn't good, don't buy it. Doesn't matter how much shit you scrape off the surface, if your car went in a sewer it will smell for the rest of your life.

>>54348402
>thoughts on super best audio friends?
Circlejerk of placebo and uninteresting cynicism.
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>>54348338
head-fi is the kind of place where people somehow find a difference between the HD598 and the HD598SE when they're exactly, literally the same but with a different color.
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>>54348598
It's also the kind of place where modding your headphones suddenly makes them sound like HD800's, but if you bought HD800's you should definitely mod them! Though they're not as bad for that as super best audio friends.
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Any good headphone forum or am I forever doomed to the depths of hell at four-chan?
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>>54348665
Anything is better than head-fi. Do your google searches and add -head-fi at the end of the search
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>>54348665
If you don't want to be here then we don't want you here either.
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>>54348665
You could try going to a hi-fi shop.

They tend to let you try things before you buy them. It's better than relying on the opinions of anonymous mentally challenged reprobates whose ears may or may not be fucked from years of loud music.
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>>54348642
>It's also the kind of place where modding your headphones suddenly makes them sound like HD800's
sounds like a shitty mod

>>54348665
depends on what you're looking for. if you're looking for serious discussions about headphones, you're shit out of luck. if you're looking for purchase advice, you're shit out of luck too, but at least you can learn to read measurements.
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>>54348665
>good headphone forum
Headphones are highly subjective experiences. Just try to keep it civil, don't feed the trolls, and take any advice with a grain of salt and forums can be good.
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Can anyone who has owned a 400i tell me if this is supposed to be normal?

I'm worried this thing might snap in two or some shit.
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>>54348790
Can you put a red circle on what you mean? You mean it is wobbly? I think it's normal.
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>>54348790
What camera did you use to take that picture?
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>>54348806
err yeah the swivel part, it's crooked as shit when it seems like it's not supposed to be that way, you can even see the metal rod part, that's just how crooked it is.

I'm just wondering if anyone else with a 400i has the same deal so I don't fucking lose my mind.
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Any reason to not get the Sennheiser HD201s?
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>>54348860
if you can save up the money to buy a HD201 then fucking wait a bit longer to buy something 200x better
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>>54348860
I own them. Eh build quality is super lightweight and hollow feeling. Cable is really good but it is long. Overall plastic build quality and the leatherette pads are horrible. They sound okay against my HD600 and the comfort is okay on my small ears.

Save up for something more better or better yet get some Superlux headphone or Takstar.
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>>54348879
>$20 is considered "saving up"

how poor are you
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>>54348879
i have the money for stuff way higher i just need something cheap that i can use w/o much care
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>>54348860
god awful sound quality
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>>54348896
Spend a bit more on a pair of Takstars, you'll get better sound and much better build quality.
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>>54348922
i already have a pair of superluxs i guess ill complete the underdog chink collection
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>>54348790
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>>54348963
How did you look at this photo and think "Yes, this clearly demonstrates the point I am trying to make. This is of acceptable quality to show to other people."?
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>>54348992
If you can't fucking see it by now then either you've never owned a 400i or you have terrible deduction skills.
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>>54348992
It's normal. But mine doesn't wiggle that way. If I bend it in it would show some metal. Does yours wobble both ways? Mine only goes inwards. Will post a pic.
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>>54349022
Use a better camera you fucking idiot.
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>>54348992
>>54349022
>>54349034
chill out, boys
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>>54349022
Is that an attitude you want to cop while asking for help with something?
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>>54348790
Sorry about the shit quality but here is what I mean if you can see it.
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>>54349032
the anon you're replying to isn't me, but mine shows the metal all the time, it swivels fine but it feels very loose.
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>>54349100
Jesus Christ, you are retarded. Why can't you just switch on the light in your room and switch off the flash in your camera? Are you in a cave?
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>>54346028
"recessed mids" usually reffer to a boost on bass and treble in detriment of mids, it means you will hear more bass and metals and less vocals, how much dependings on the headphone FR.
Mids "being great" is a compliment to one of several chracteristics that may appeal to whomever is saying so, for example, maybe that particular listener likes a more mid-centric signature instead of a v-shape signature, that might make the mids great for them, or maybe said listener is not talking about signature itself but rather about distortion level, mids also incorporate several frequencies, so withing the mids there might be different sounds, maybe it's very flat and that's pleasing to the ears, maybe it drops down a bit in the direction of treble and the listener finds that less fatigating, etc.

Take "X is great" with a grain of salt as it can usually mean lots of things and be purelly subjective, to say mids are recessed can be confirmed via measurements, so say it doesn't present much distortion too, to say it's great because there's plenty of it and you like it is more of a personal thing.

Pic related might give you a better idea of usually happens on the mids.
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>>54349105

>>54348790
that pic is literally what it looks like when the cups are against each other pad against pad, no force is being applied to the headphone I'm simply just holding them by the cups.

I still have time to return them I guess, but I figured I'd check to see if it's just a normal thing so I'm not wasting my time returning them only to get another one with the same problem.
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>>54349121
are you a failed photography major or something why are you getting so anal about the camera
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You kids with your new plastic headfoams.

Join the master race.
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>>54349121
I'm not >>54349150
But yes I'm in a cave and I don't have a tripod. I just needed a quick photo shot not a presentation that'll last a lifetime.
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>>54349022
How about you follow basic principles of common sense and don't take a picture of something really close up on a reflective surface? Or if you're going to go full retard how about disabling the flash first?
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>>54345012
Thank you again Anon, i've done some research and i think i'll buy it anyway, price is about right and i'd like to test it, if later it doesn't fit the boompro i'll just resell it in a forum.
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>buying new headphones
costanza.jpg
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>>54349100
Oh god you did it again. What the fuck. How can somebody be this retarded?
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Really, Beats or Skull Candy. The choice is clear for millennials who have no idea what they are doing.
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Sony mdr-v6 with velour pads an a fiio e10, how am I doing?
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>>54349187
Stop being so damn anal about photo quality.
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>>54349122
"Great mids" can also mean two diametrically opposed things:

>I love that the mids are behind bass and treble, it makes them perfect
>I love that the mids are right up front of the sound, I can hear vocalists above everything!

It's why most headphone reviews are completely fucking useless. My favourite is when they use nonsense words too.
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>>54348790
>>54348963
>>54349100
Perhaps you can download one of these images to your desktop or laptop and use Paint to draw a red circle around the problem area you are asking about?
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>>54349315
You simply asking that question tells me that you can offer nothing because you've never owned the product
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>>54349223
Indeed, that's probably my favorite as well, "pellucid" always get's me keking, they use it for every headphone they like, even if it has a rollercoaster signature and distorts like Steele's bass.
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matrix2 or jabra move?
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>>54349354
>You simply asking that question tells me that you can offer nothing because you've never owned the product
I'm not trying to answer your question. I'm trying to help you ask in a more understandable way so that someone who has owned it can answer your question. Every response so far has been that they cannot understand what you are trying to ask.
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>>54349354
Anon does every photo you take at parties and events turn out blurry? No? Because you take those ones properly don't you.
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>>54349356
I think it was a headfonia review where the guy referred to the midrange as "Shouldery". That's some proper top tier stream of consciousness bullshit right there. These sites really need to hire editors.
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>>54349386
the two other posts you referenced right under mine were from different anons who has already answered the question I asked by showing me a picture of their 400i in a similar angle.

I decided to be quiet about it though because people here seemed to have already started arguing about the smallest things like photo quality and people assuming all those pictures were taken by the same person.

You guys are really something
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I used to own a pair of aiaiai TMA-1 but sold them years ago because I hated the on ear pads. Recently saw they have a new TMA-2 with interchangeable parts to customize fit and comfort, but is there anyway to test out the different pads and headbands? Any store that might have them demo? Or any with experience with em on here? Thanks guys.
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>>54349436
As long as you got your answer then it's all good.
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>>54349491
Maybe a local store has a pair. Ask them.
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What is the general consensus on schiit stacks
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>>54348170
dt990 pro is a good v-shape
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>>54349647
Yes. Buy it. As long as your headphones actually need an amp.
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Thoughts on the t50rp? Is it neutral sounding? Any obvious flaw?
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>Budget
$100

>Location
US (california)

>Source
PC laptop, iPod Classic (5.5 gen)

>Preferred type of headphone
Full sized (but IEMs are acceptable)

>Open or closed
Closed

>Comfort level
comfy enough for practically 24/7 use

>Preferred music
Metal and Punk, Hip-Hop, Folk, Ambient

>Past headphones
Xiaomi Piston 3
Even though they're in-ears, I liked how they sound (especially since there was at some separation unlike other IEMs) I just wish it had a little more bass, and that the bass would go deeper.

I was looking at the Takstar Pro 80s and thought they might be for me, but I'm hesitant on getting them since right now they're priced higher than they normally were before
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>>54349698
Pro 80s are still great for under 100 bucks. You get that awesome metal carrying box with it, too.
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>>54349715
I still feel like I might be paying too much, but I guess they must be discontinued. I might think about getting Hyperx Cloud 1 instead since they're cheaper and I hear they sound the same
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>>54349876
They are the exact same thing, with a nicer looking headband, a detachable microphone, extra earpads, a nicer, shorter cable and a few other accessories.

You won't get the nice carrying box, but you'll get an alright carrying bag instead.
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>>54349876
Buy the pro 80 m8, they look and sound quality for the money.
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Anyone have experience with the SE425 and SE535? Is there a huge difference between them to warrant the extra $150?
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>>54350920
Also the SE846.
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Recommend please :D
>Budget
500 usd
>Location
USA
>Source
O2+Odac from mayflower
>Preferred type of headphone
Does this mean brand? No preference. If fit, over ear. Not on ear.
>Open or closed
Closed
>Comfort level
7+/10
>Preferred tonal balance
Neutral/slightly bassy
>Preferred music
Oh boy. House, trap, Orchestra, musicals, pretty much everything except country and rap.
>Past headphones
HD 558, m50xs
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>>54351059
Oppo PM-3
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>>54351059
Shure SRH1540

http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/cool-comfy-and-competent-shure-srh1540#AoBcxQ0rvMtODjvW.97
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>>54351284
Fuck off, Tyll.
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>>54351315
I think it's just someone who didn't read about the bass distortion and picked based solely off their recommended headphones.
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>>54351365
Fuck you
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What does /g/ think about the msr7/msr7nc's?
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>tfw I just spent over $500 on IEMs

This is an addiction
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>>54351442
I've seen a few reccomendatioens on previous threads but haven't had the pleasure to try them myself
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>>54349491
I own a few components. don't get the cheapest headband that's a vice that will break your skull. over the ear pads aren't really over the ear and will touch your ear a bit but are more comfortable than the on ear pads. try to get a combination that's as flat as possible. As far as places to try them out i don't know any that carries them.
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Anyone in here have experience with anything from V-Moda? I'm looking to get a Crossfade XS in a few months and I was wondering if some anons here could weigh in. I don't really know what I want it to sound like, since I've been using fucking dollar store earbuds for my entire life. I guess the difference between those and 200$ headphones is going to be like I was deaf all my life and I'll finally be able to hear. Not that I didn't enjoy listening to music before. I just want to be able to enjoy it better?
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my xiaomi pistons 2.0 just lost sound in the right earbud. they were good, but they don't sell them anymore.

>Budget
$50 at most
>Location
canada
>Source
phone
>Open or closed
in ear
>Comfort level
i'd prefer comfy over sound quality
>Preferred music
rock, acoustic guitar
>Past headphones
xiaomi pistons 2.0 - good shit, but shitty tips.
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What's a safe and good volume to listen to?

I'm curious because I have my akg K7xx plug into my s5. I place the volume at 10 which gives me fair listening level that my ears can endure. I'm just comfortable with it 10 and lower.

At higher volume I hear clearer details but it gets too loud and my ears would hurt.
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