>pyra preorders have started
>there's now a 4gb version
>no thread on /g/
>>54315306
i'll take a gpd win with a real processor
Slower, bulkier, and more fedora than my phone
No thanks
>ARM processor
gross
>>54315321
this
>>54315306
>pyra
>arm
i'll wait for gpd to show what they've got
It's shit, overpriced and useless in the age of the GPD handheld
>>54315306
>Pyra Standard Edition, 2GB RAM: 500 EUR
without VAT (=595 EUR incl. VAT)
>Pyra Standard Edition, 4GB RAM: 529,41
EUR without VAT (=630 EUR incl. VAT)
>Pyra Mobile Edition, 2GB RAM: 600 EUR without VAT (=714 EUR incl. VAT)
>Pyra Mobile Edition, 4GB RAM: 626,05 EUR
without VAT (=745 EUR incl. VAT)
>>54315496
ahahahaha
>>54315321
>>54315353
>>54315407
>>54315472
Valid. Pyra is going to be expensive as fuck for what it offers performance-wise and the prospect of an x86 CPU as a (probably) cheaper alternative is intriguing.
It will still be locked-down chink shit that will probably get abandoned a few months down the line, though.
An upgradeable, completely open system with actual long-term support is still very compelling even if the raw performance is not on par with the GPD Win. Given that this is essentially a hobbyist DIY project turned small-scale mass-production, it's clear that it's going to cost more. Call it the freetard tax if you want. For the Pyra's *target* audience, no alternatives exist
>>54315496
>595 six pence
what is that in non medieval currency faggot
>>54315306
>doesn't provide link
https://www.dragonbox.de/en/45-pyra
>>54315496
jesus fucking christ
unusable garbage that even a chromebook surpasses
also sounds disgustingly indian
Is this 2005?
no one cares about pyra now because the douchebag devs have taken so long.
>>54315702
I did not want to get shit on for doing advertising
>>54315765
how did that work out for you shitbag
>>54315306
Not bad I guess, ~$600 for a pocket size mobile device with decent specs that doesn't double as a tracking beacon for the government, only complaint is that there isn't a Ctrl, Alt, and Super key for me to use for hotkeys (though I bet the triggers on the back would work great if you could bind them to that). Also works for games so you can more effectively distract yourself from how shitty life is. Are there any cross platform VNs out there?
>>54315778
Did I get shit on for doing advertising?
The rest of the thread is just how Pyra threads tend to play out.
>>54315796
>only complaint is that there isn't a Ctrl, Alt, and Super key for me to use for hotkeys
Ctrl, Alt, and I think Super are there, just in a really bad spot
>(though I bet the triggers on the back would work great if you could bind them to that)
Yep
>Are there any cross platform VNs out there?
Probably not
>>54315306
I have no qualifications or experience in business, but I can already tell this thing is going to be dead on arrival.
>>54315306
Those keys. Why, just why.
Nigga we've all already bought GPD Win's.
>>54315737
It's German.
>>54315472
Unless you can install Linux on that GPD handheld and get enough driver support to make it usable (unlike all the Chinese tablets I've looked at) the Pyra doesn't meet any of those, because the Pyra would offer the massive advantage of not having Bill Gates clamp your testicles in a vice for fun while yelling at you to squeal like a pig.
>>54315826
>Ctrl, Alt, and I think Super are there, just in a really bad spot
Just found them and laughed a little. Also, considering there are 4 triggers/shoulder buttons there would be no reason not to use them for that.
>>54315882
There aren't going to be more than a couple thousand units in the first batch. Those will pay for the second batch, which is probably going to be bigger and won't require preordering.
I agree that this won't be a hit among mainstream audience, but it's certainly going to be a "commercial success" (in that it won't create losses and will probably be able to sustain itself) in the enthusiast niche it's targeted at
>>54316015
My experience with baytrail devices tell me that installing linux on the GPD WIN will be painful.
Also, that keyboard was decided by the Pandora/Pyra community. Ask them why the keyboard is like that.
>>54315306
In terms of emulation is it any better than that android gpd device?
>>54315306
damn that looks nice, too bad it is too expensive for me.
>>54316015
>Just found them and laughed a little.
I could imagine they were put there to ensure you can pull off any crtl/alt-based shortcut with minimal effort, especially when you take mouse clicks into account. You only need one thumb to hold down both keys, so you don't need to adjust your other hand.
If ctrl+alt was on the lower left-hand position, pressing R1/2 and any key on the left side of the keyboard would probably be very annoying.
By moving them to their own area, you also get 2 more slots on the keyboard for other stuff.
It will take some time to get used to, but I can see it working nicely
>>54316125
You got a point. I guess this is another point against the GPD WIN. The keyboard is familiar, but trying to hit keybinds that use multiple modifiers will be a bitch.
>>54316110
With a screen that size why are you using anything other than a tiling WM?
What's the price on this thing?
>>54316236
~$600 minimum.
You got to put a down payment of ~$380 first at the moment.
>>54316236
>>54316253
And 4gb ram version is an extra $30.
>CPU+display pcb = socketed
OK that's pretty great.
>>54316179
I'm just an observer, but trust me, the keyboard layout discussion has generated an immense amount of community input and that is after they've been through it once already when the predecessor was planned.
The idea has always been to make it good for everyone, not to perfect for some. So there sure are some compromises, but also lots of course ideas. But there will certainly be a learning curve ahead.
>>54315496
The base price for the model with 2 GB of RAM is $570. For additional options you can choose to have 4 GB of RAM instead for an extra $30 and for an extra $110 the device will double as a tracking/listening device for your country's government to make sure you're being a good subject.
>>54315306
Cute but pointless.
>>54316489
It isn't exactly pointless, it's a UMPC with (semi) modern specs. It could be like pic related which sadly doesn't have internal wifi.
specs?
You guys discussing the keyboard do realize that you can set any key to anything you like, right? The pyra runs regular linux.
>>54316597
Depends, most people expect umpc's to run windows.
>>54316733
We are also discussing where the keys are located physically in a sense. The Pyra has keys located in a non-familiar pattern. Rebinding them won't be a thing to do if you want a more traditional keyboard layout (like the GPD Win).
>>54315472
>botnet version 10
>jewish processor
>>54315496
what do you expect it to cost? iPhones cost 30% more but are basically useless. New mobile devices cost hundreds of dollars, they keep plebs from having sticker shock by hiding the price behind a finance plan (aka "contract" or "tab"). can you suggest a cheaper device that will let me have autism in my pocket?
>>54315306
>no 5TB integrated memory for p̶o̶r̶n̶ important data /g/ has
>>54315306
>>54315496
How is it so god damn expensive? You can get an SBC that blows it out of the water hardware wise for $91 (the ODROID XU4). How do a screen, keyboard, battery, case, and other small parts add $480 to that price? I could probably build something with better specs for less if I wanted a device like this. Also, wouldn't it be great to make it run on 18650s instead of a proprietary battery?
>>54316923
But it does have 2 SD card slots so you can have a couple hundred gigabytes of encrypted storage set up as a RAID 1 in case one goes down that could easily be tossed without tossing the device if the wrong people start coming after you.
>>54316961
Oh that's easy.
Half of it is due to freetardism (No SBC on the consumer market is 100% FOSS complaint)
The other half is that some parts (like the screen) are actually expensive
>>54316923
It has emmc + 3 SD card slots (1 is mSD though).
>>54316961
labour and tooling are hidden costs. with small batches injection molding is expensive.
if you can produce the same thing for significantly less then why don't you? I'd buy one.
>>54317052
isn't it not possible to use all the card slots at the same time due to a hardware limitation? I remember evildragon mentioning that the eMMC wouldn't work under some circumstances. or did they find a workaround to that?
>>54317079
I think the mSD cant be used if the emmc is. However you can hot swap while its booted. I think it would be useful for having a mSD for just emulators and another for programming work. Does anyone know if KDE works on it?
Has anyone asked the chinks at GPD if you can install linux on the WIN?
This is important
>>54317060
>if you can produce the same thing for significantly less then why don't you? I'd buy one.
I'm not talking about mass producing, just a one off for myself where cost of labor isn't factored in because it's a fun project as well. It's just that normally you can't come close to the hardware specs at a price point when building a small device like this for yourself.
>>54317127
Not that I know of, but going from what other anons in this thread have said it would be extremely painful.
>>54317153
I thought intel was good with providing chipset drivers for linux?
>>54317153
for you
>>54317100
https://www.pyra-handheld.com/wiki/index.php?title=Storage
turns out they figured out how to access both, though with decreased throughput.
you could put over 1 TB of storage into this thing if you wanted
>>54317202
Thats pretty awesome. Can't wait to use this thing as a portable media player.
>>54315306
>ARM
Fuck off with your slow, inefficient bullshit.
Alright, preordered that shit
When will it be delivered?
>>54317371
sometimes later this year (probably), didn't you read?
Well, it's not doing badly so far..
About 175 preorders.
I briefly had an open Pandora like 2 months ago before I resold it. Besides the weak specs (for 2016) it did what it was supposed to and never felt tied down due to those specs. I was surprised how well polished all the software was and the repos felt like an app store. Everything was easy to get up and running
This is essentially an unlocked DS that lets you do more. If you don't want to use it for games I dunno why you'd get one.
https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/pages/pyratech/
>Ultra-portable: approx. 139 x 87 x 32 mm
I have Pandora #663 from first batch. I waited 3 years to get it after paying $330. I used it less than 10 hours probably. Has faulty LCD cable and pink screen.
>>54317453
thanks, i was wondering how big it is
>a company like Google/Apple/Microsoft/Sony/Dell/Lenovo will never release a UMPC
>it will never be cool to have a UMPC
;_;
>>54317833
Sony did release some in the past. But with a release price of $1000+ no way they could sell much.
In comparison the Gpd wins $399 and even the pyra is cheap in comparison.
>>54317453
jeebus
>>54315306
>Buying overpriced crap from a German retard who has fucked people over in the past with Pandora
What's the point of buying this over SHIELD or 3DS?
>>54319610
3DS is for games only and it's not very good at that even when hacked. Shield while nice lacks a keyboard and afaik you can't run normal linux on it just android.
>>54318357
Misinformation. It was the brit guy who fucked people over, including the rest of the Pandora team.
The German is the one who has been trying to fix up the mess ever since.
>>54315321
>x86 on a mobile machine
disgusting
>>54315826
>Are there any cross platform VNs out there?
Everything renpy is cross-platform.
There is also some FOSS VN client that can play a lot of proprietary Japanese VNs
>>54315472
I'd rather have the linux thing for computer shit, but this might work nicely for gaming.
Just buy a Nexus 9 and install remix os on it.
>>54316961
>How is it so god damn expensive?
They're fairly transparent about that: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/how-to-calculate-a-price-for-the-pyra.73755/
>>54315555
>595 six pence
>>54315496
> 595 EUR
> pence
> EUR
are you retarded?
EUROS are a REAL currency not that HollaHollagetDolla stuff!
it still is expensive though! (WHICH IS A BAD THING)
>>54315796
>>54319839
No point in buying a Linux device if you plan to read VN. The Gpd win or any 8 inch windows tablet would be much cheaper and better alternative.
>>54320064
Linux (on an x86) handles VNs better than Win 10 since Japs always target ancient Windows versions.
>>54315306
Who are they actually trying to target?
Most phones are stronger if you want to emulate.
And at that price range might as well buy a laptop.
>>54320071
Well thats the point here. Pyra is arm based. Good luck trying to run most visual novels.
>>54319610
Linux, and all the emulators available for it
>>54320097
Yeah, I wasn't defending the Pyra for VN use, just Linux.
>>54320084
Homebrew enthusiasts that want a strong community and a very open device you can modify (even allows you to replace the CPU)?
>>54320064
>voluntarily using botnet devices
>taking a device with just a touch screen over one with an physical keyboard
>implying the device wouldn't be used for things other than just playing VNs, such as shitposting
>wanting Micr$hit to scan your rare Pepes
>>54320097
Renpy will run on ARM.
>>54320084
Yes but most phones don't have hardware controls. I don't emulate anything on my phone because of that. Having a regular Linux distro also helps with the tinkering aspect, although you can get that in Android via chroot.
Really I wish the iControlPad 2 got released. All I need is decent hardware controls that I can slap onto each phone when I update.
>>54315306
what's the purpose of this machine?
It's shitty when it comes to demanding tasks, it lasts of battery only couple of hours and it's completely unusable.
Is this some kind of a sick meme?
>>54320189
It seems to have a decent battery actually.
>>54320084
>Most phones are stronger if you want to emulate.
>voluntarily carrying a tracking device for your country's government to keep tabs on you
Remember, the NSA and intelligence agencies from the other 5 eyes countries have been passively collecting metadata about cell phone connections to cell towers in bulk. If you live in the US and carry a cell phone you are giving any agent from a 3 letter agency the ability to view your travel habits going back several months.
>>54320208
Well, the mobile pyra versions shouldn't be any different, unless I'm misunderstanding.
>>54315796
>cross platform VNs
Wine runs any VN I throw at it.
Android has VNDS (which I think originated from a Nintendo ds project, so that has one too)
>>54320338
While I understand wine is a great method to play, why mention vnds?
As far as I know only about 30 VN ever got "ported". And since you need the original files to convert anyway, why even bother?
>>54320204
>2016
>computers still lasts less than 24 hours
Lmao nigger. My x230 officially lasts for 25 hours and even longer after replacing the wifi card with the newer one. Everything else is deprecated and unusable.
>>54320338
I wonder how VN's would run on the Pyra when using qemu and wine.
>>54320477
nobody cares about you or your virgin pad, dumdum
>>54320676
Not at all, you want an actual emulator like bochs, which will be very slow.
>>54320715
Why wouldn't qemu be enough?
>>54315306
That shit looks straight out of 2003.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
>>54315306
>ARM
When will they learn?
>>54319824
>disgusting
>he's not in search of the incredible
>he's in search of the completely credible
laughinggirls.jpg
>>54319824
Picture ARM as a smelly little pakistani worker that works for very little money but unfortunetely he smells, he does his job poorly and he is rude.
>>54315306
>needless /g/onsumerism
>>54320477
What wifi card did you upgrade to? I've been looking to do the same.
>>54322533
I'm actually thinking of it as a way out.
It's got the battery power to last a while on the go, while being as portable as a smaller tablet or ebook-reader (Meaning it's not pocketable, but you can stuff it in a bag where it won't take up any significant space)
It's flexible enough to use as an after-work distraction or for meetings/conferences/commutes
And maybe (that's a big maybe) it can even replace a phone when paired with a comfortable BT headset.
I really would not mind being able to ditch smartphone and tablets from my life. Maybe Pyra+dumbphone is a compromise
>>54317453
>slightly smaller than a GameBoy
Well at least now I know it's sort of pocketable
>>54315968
Oh so it's Muslims and paki's gotcha
>>54323712
There's a 'cellphone' version of the Pyra, you wouldn't even need the dumbphone.
>>54323812
>he wears JNCO jeans
>>54324012
I know, but there's no software. That's why I said it's a bit maybe
>>54324028
Nope. Union Bay and Bailey's mainly.
>>54324012
I hadn't considered this but it'd be nice to have a phone with an actual keyboard to type on. Hopefully there is a sms program for it.
>>54325599
BlackBerry is a thing you know
>>54316472
The Modem is Powered via an Electrical Switch so it can't receive any power if it shouldn't.
>>54325779
So it's tinfoil-proof?
>>54325643
Thats too normie tier
>>54325920
What?
>>54325942
Why bother with blackberry if it doesnt run real linux and is too main stream
>>54325942
He's autistic.
>>54325793
Yep, an Paranoid/vegetarian friendly Device.
>>54325979
>too mainstream
Nobody knows BlackBerry is still a thing. The other day my Internet was taking a shit and when I said the video wouldn't load my friend said I'm surprised you can watch vedos at all on a phone that's that old. She thought I was using some anchient tech
>>54326065
modern blackberries have a backdoor to the secret police built in to the software
pyra doesn't
>>54325779
To bad that there aren't any OSS Modems. But that looks like the best solution.
>>54326277
If the secret police are so secret how do you know the secret secret polices secret secret?
>>54326065
Do you have the priv? I was thinking about getting it since that's the only recent bb phone that wasnt a hilariously bad (bb passport wth)
>>54315750
Yes, and FBI cannot into CP.
2005, 2005
What a wonderful year to be alive!
>>54315306
enjoy giving them money and receive nothing
>>54326329
No, a Q10. I wouldn't get a Passport but I don't see what's so bad about it.
>>54326324
the existence of the police is not secret, only their actions
u can browse the webs and download torrents on it?
>>54326544
Yes, it runs a full on desktop OS
Here's an Plot showing the Preorders/Time: http://i.rdw.se/preorders.svg Pretty Linear.
>>54326568
Of cource. It even has eSATA. And theoretycally you could Bound 2 USB-Ethernet Adaptors Together. And with 2*512Gb SD Cards you won't even need an External Haddrive
>>54326644
The write-speeds suck even on SD Class 10 UHS-I
I get 500 mbps for the first few seconds, then ~5mb after that.
>>54326934
You could RAID0 (Stripped) them together and use an 5Gb zram ramdisk as Cache
>>54327017
Yea and have them die in 2 days
>>54315306
yes, because I want to use GNU/Linux on that abortion when there are a million cheap notebooks with proper keyboards
Seems like the novelty would wear off very quickly
Rather just get a rare older UMPC to play around with. Would be cheaper anyway
>>54327129
they're not as expensive as you think. plus the track ball is fucking garbage.
>>54327129
And what about battery runtime?
>>54315472
You own one? How do you like it?
>>54327129
The pyra has better specs than that dinosaur.
>>54327191
>>54327238
Sure it will be better as it's a new product but I just can't see a practical reason to pay the MSRP for this
>>54327212
There's not even prototypes of it made yet
>>54320208
And that's relevant how?
awesome :D but i think is much expensive
>>54327269
>but I just can't see a practical reason to pay the MSRP for this
Well it's not like there's going to be any other price since the manufacturer isn't likely to have a range of stockists willing to discount.
>>54320208
yes because that piece of shit in OP's pic is clearly 100% free hardware
>>54327269
It's a niche product so the price will be higher because they can't make huge manufacturing orders to reduce production fees. Plus the small team also writes all the firmware code to get the nubs and such to work well
>>54327691
There's a massive difference between worrying that non free hardware could have a back door and worrying about security issues relating to cell connectivity when it has been shown that the NSA scrapes up all metadata about cell phone connections to towers and stores the data for months in their FASCIA database that they are now sharing with all 3 letter agencies, LE agencies actively use equipment to track cell phones and therefore their owners, and it has been demonstrated that the baseband processor in phones can be turned into a hardware back door with exploits over the air (due to it having complete memory access and access to the phone's main processor in all but a couple phones).
>>54326571
350 Preorders already with only Mouth-to-Mouth Propaganda? Good start.
>>54328147
>There's a massive difference between worrying that non free hardware could have a back door and worrying about security issues relating to cell connectivity
>proceeds to talk about backdoors in baseband processor, a hardware component used to connect to a cellular network
Yeah I get it. Cellular networks are fundamentally insecure so it doesn't really matter what hardware you use them on. Even if you were to free and separate the baseband processor you are still forced to have unique identifiers like IMEI to use these networks
What I don't understand though is,
If you're so worried why would you use this toy with proprietary components and not a more free machine like a modified Thinkpad with free initialization firmware, and open wireless networking hardware? It would be cheaper, you can rip out the WAN module yourself, you would have more respectable specs, and you would have I/O that doesn't resemble a game console knockoff as well as swappable batteries
>>54328163
like any other community sourced garbage
>>54328319
The main reason for this is to have a more capable emulator device (it also has swappable batteries)
If you don't want it for games then it's not for you
>>54328360
oh ok, so this thread should be moved to
>>>/v/
>>54328360
I preordered one but i won't play that many games on it. The small size, Backlight Keyboard, Modem, and the great Community are the highlights for me.
Could you put BSD on it?
>>54328643
I don't see why not
>>54328319
>Even if you were to free and separate the baseband processor you are still forced to have unique identifiers like IMEI to use these networks
Devices where the baseband processor is separate can allow you to completely turn it off when you put it in airplane mode instead of simply suggesting it should turn off when it can do whatever it wants. Also, did you miss that the Pyra can be had with no cellular modem whatsoever for about $100 less?
>If you're so worried why would you use this toy with proprietary components
Because my worries come from things that have been shown to definitely be a clear and present security risk and not small unlikely possibilities, though that might come later.
>and not a more free machine like a modified Thinkpad with free initialization firmware, and open wireless networking hardware? It would be cheaper, you can rip out the WAN module yourself, you would have more respectable specs, and you would have I/O that doesn't resemble a game console knockoff as well as swappable batteries
I'm really not planing on buying a Pyra because I don't really have a need, but if I would it would be to have a device that's pocket sized and doesn't have ridiculously terrible specs (I have looked at getting an older pocket size device without cellular connectivity but they top out at 128 MB of RAM or are a bit heavy for pockets). I already have a netbook that I use instead of a smart phone (that runs surprisingly well despite the older hardware and has made me extremely disappointed in the software available for smart phones) and my current philosophy for attempted back dooring of firmware is simply don't fuck up, as last I checked even Thinkpads don't run entirely free firmware and having one compromised device in a computer flash the firmware on other devices has been shown to be possible on some machines (don't remember the who demonstrated it but it was at DEFCON) so it doesn't seem worth the extra bulk.
>>54328643
Have fun writing everything from scratch.
>>54328319
>>54328370
a thinkpad won't fit in my pocket, and if you don't want a WWAN module then just buy the model that doesn't come with WWAN
the thinkpad was never intended to be an open, hackable computer. this thing is. most parts of a thinkpad are not properly documented and are proprietary
>Even if you were to free and separate the baseband processor you are still forced to have unique identifiers like IMEI to use these networks
it's possible to spoof IMEI information to the network, even on qualcomm chipsets (though in some countries this might not be legal). the IMSI is the more significant identifier since unused ones are deactivated and therefore you can't "borrow" an unused one. to change your IMSI you just get a new SIM card, preferably a prepaid one.
once an IMSI-catcher detector program is running properly on the pyra it'll be the ultimate mobile network device. fun stuff
>>54328708
how long does your netbook last on a charge? my main interest in the pyra is using it as an alternative cellphone because I am unhappy with touchscreen keyboards
>>54328810
BSD already runs on arm. why would he need to re-write everything?
>tfw you're probably the only one that wants the RGB led's that festoon the proto-prototype to be on the final build
>>54328929
they will be there
in the video he was only saying that they won't be flashing constantly like that
>>54328970
>in the video he was only saying that they won't be flashing constantly like that
Oh but that's what i need.
>>54328457
For the brief time I had the open Pandora I really wanted it to have a backlit keyboard.
It is fun to play around tinker around and the forums are really nice
>>54328708
>but if I would it would be to have a device that's pocket sized and doesn't have ridiculously terrible specs
I'll be honest, that doesn't look very pocket sized. It's a bit smaller than a netbook and much more of a pain to use for input and reading. A tradeoff that is not worth it in my view.
>Thinkpads don't run entirely free firmware
I guarantee they run a larger amount of free firmware than the netbook you are using as I don't see the libreboot project working on many netbooks to remove blobs like ME and create a free BIOS.
>>54328926
>a thinkpad won't fit in my pocket
it doesn't look like that brick will either
>the thinkpad was never intended to be an open, hackable computer. this thing is. most parts of a thinkpad are not properly documented and are proprietary
Great, so is the Pyra going to have free networking hardware? What about free initialization firmware? If it doesn't have these things its the worse than a modified Thinkpad
>it's possible to spoof IMEI information to the network
You should take the time to look up the criminal penalties for that beforehand so you can discuss things realistically
>>54317041
The GCW Zero is the only handheld I've seen which is actually blob-less. The Pandora doesn't come close, and probably neither will the Pyra.
>>54329057
>it doesn't look like that brick will either
Not him but I used to EDC a GameBoy and the Pyra's slightly smaller, it's pocketable.
>>54327238
>ARM
>better than any Atom
>>54328926
>how long does your netbook last on a charge?
It's an ASUS EEE 900A (pic related) and it lasts ~3 hours with a 4400 mAh 4 cell battery, you can get larger batteries though (up to 8 cell) and I've considered rebuilding one with modern higher capacity 18650 cells as I could supposedly hit 20400 mAh with a 6 cell battery but I need to do a bit more research on that. It isn't exactly pocket size if that's what you're looking for, you could fit it in a purse/tactical man satchel if you wanted.
Also
>it's possible to spoof IMEI information to the network
I really wouldn't recommend that, as modifying the IMEI and other information kept on the phone punishable by up to 15 years in prison in the US and supposedly cell service providers do have at least some measures in place to detect it.
>>54329057
>I'll be honest, that doesn't look very pocket sized. It's a bit smaller than a netbook and much more of a pain to use for input and reading.
It is a bit larger than a phone, but it's still half a pound lighter than a comparable size UMPC like the Sony VAIO UX so it won't pull your pants down. Also, I've carried devices slightly larger in my pocket before like the TI83 I used late in high school and in college and an old "pocket" organizer that was a bit larger.
>I guarantee they run a larger amount of free firmware
It doesn't matter when flashing one device's firmware in a computer from another device in that computer has been demonstrated. Unless you can be sure that won't happen the additional protection is meaningless.
>I don't see the libreboot project working on many netbooks to remove blobs like ME
Older Atom netbooks didn't have the ME, so that isn't a problem and the functionality possibly being flashed back also wouldn't be a problem.
>>54329354
You apparently haven't looked at benchmarks of the older Atoms. Though if you're not playing games they really work well enough.
>>54329013
you can write a script that runs at boot which will do exactly that.
I bet if you email evildragon and ask how he made the lights flash you can get exactly the same thing
>>54329057
>>54329468
It's not illegal in my country, and even if it was you can't get caught as long as you stay within certain parameters. No, cell network companies do not and can not "scan" for IMEI spoofing (they only check for duplicate IMEI numbers). Even if was possible for them to do so, they wouldn't because there's no reason for them to care. Changing your IMEI won't get you free service or damage anyone's network. It's equivalent to changing your MAC address.
I don't plan to IMEI spoof since it doesn't really do anything useful for me. I just mentioned it because some of the users here seem to be quite concerned about being traced. It isn't just the government that uses the cellphone network to track people, you know.
>>54329354
>It doesn't matter when flashing one device's firmware in a computer from another device in that computer has been demonstrated.
It does matter from the perspective of simple probability. You are reducing potential sources of security vulnerability. Also, freed firmware like the BIOS can be write protected. You could also use USB instead of SATA to reduce attack surface because there is no direct mem access.Taking an all or nothing approach to security is not the best way to go.
>>54329779
usb can be used to tap keystrokes and do all manner of shady shit
the only halfway safe method of connecting something to your computer is with ethernet
>>54329923
>the only halfway safe method of connecting something to your computer is with ethernet
I don't think you know what you're talking about. Ethernet has DMA and runs proprietary firmware. This is way more harmful than a USB based NIC with no DMA by design. Even proper IOMMU config would still leave ethernet based NICs more vulnerable than their USB counterpart.
>>54330052
>Ethernet has DMA
I don't believe you. If that was true I could knock down half the internet in an hour.
why doesn't Toshiba just make a new libretto with an atom or Pentium instead of this shit
>>54330094
>I don't believe you.
I'm not asking you to. I'm not the only person in the world with knowledge on DMA in ethernet NICs
>>54315306
>not getting superior GPD WIN
>>54330163
you're a retard
ethernet has no DMA component, it's just a system of sending frames and avoiding collisions. perhaps you're confusing ethernet with the PCIe connection that external NICs use
if you're going to stand by your absurd claim, post an RFC
>>54330251
the network driver uses DMA to accelerate transfers
Im not going to spoonfeed retards incapable of reading
>>54330052
>>54330163
>>54330251
>DMA
>USB
>NIC
>IOMMU
>PCI
>RFC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXlvy3sTTBk
>>54315306
It has anarm processor yet I don't see Android...all I see is Linux bullshit.
>>54329779
>It does matter from the perspective of simple probability. You are reducing potential sources of security vulnerability.
Only problem with that is that the main people with the resources to attack one of those surfaces are state level actors who have the resources to go after all of them, as they can request the code for a "security audit" making adding features easy which is how the Equation group acquired a massive library of modified hard drive firmware. If there were cases of regular hackers trying to compromise the firmware on devices I'd agree with you, but given what the threat would be in that regard I'll take a lighter device that's easier to carry (considering it's meant to replace a smart phone) over a bulkier one with what would amount to a negligible increase in security.
>>54330304
the card has DMA, but that's true for other peripheral cards. that's not ethernet. people on your segment can't read your memory or jackpot your machine over an ethernet connection. "proprietary firmware" isn't part of the ethernet spec
what's this USB based NIC that you're talking about? just plugging in two computers via USB? that's doable, but only at short cable lengths
>>54330306
what did you expect, that we'd type out direct memory access universal serial bus network infetterance card input/output memory management unit peripheral component interface request for comment every single time like some kind of sperg?
>>54330311
I fail to see the issue.
>>54326324
They're actually the Open Secret Police but they prefer to go by their nickname
>>54320448
Cross platform VNs were mentioned, so I thought I'd thrown in VNDS since it covers the android platform which still runs on some small tablet/laptop hybrids or whatever.
>original files needed for conversion
Doesn't exactly complicate things much, I don't mind being slightly less lazy to have VNs on android.
>>54320676
Ignore >>54320715 the damn things will run just fine on almost anything. I've ran several through wine on what can only be described as a toaster in terms of hardware and they worked great.
I can vouch for the remarkable ability loonix and wine have to play old games and obscure VNs on really fucking shit hardware I'd have otherwise long classed as dead or obsolete.
>>54315496
You could get two X220's for that price
>>54330604
X220s aren't UMPCs.
>>54330311
That's because Android is bloated and runs like shit. Linux + Palememe (with the same add-ons I have on my desktop) + Mutt for email uses 260 MB of RAM on my netbook while Android alone uses 280 MB or RAM on my phone and Firefox uses another almost 300 MB or RAM and can't even run most of the add-ons I use on my desktop and that's not even including the other unremovable bloat that ensures constant swapfile usage on my phone with 1 GB of RAM while my netbook runs just fine even if I swap out the 1 GB stick of RAM for a 512 MB stick.
>>54330604
X220 is way too big. Pyra is less than half the size of it. If I can fit a 8 inch tablet in my hoodie pocket I should have no trouble carrying around a 5.7in pyra.
>>54315306
this device really should ship with fedora installed
>>54329493
>don't shitpost on me or my son ever again.jpg
>>54328319
>>54329057
>shilling Thinkpads as "free" portable devices as a replacement for smart phones
>not using a Ben NanoNote and running completely free software and firmware on free hardware
>>54332325
yes, I'm totally shilling cumstained ~decade old business lines for IBM and Lelnovo. They're making gorillions selling X200s and X60s thanks to clever shills like me.
>Nano note
Great. You should suggest it gets endorsed by the FSF so it can reach its core market.
>>54330211
Please tell me this has 4gb RAM
>>54315542
>It will still be locked-down chink shit that will probably get abandoned a few months down the line, though.
That's the great thing about the GPD, it's so close to Intel's reference design that it will only need to rely on Intel and M$ to keep it updated even if GPD fucks off within a week, there are laptops from 2007 that are still receiving updates. With ARM, you will have to hope that there will be community support.
>>54333354
Si!
>>54333510
I'll probably get this.
>>54333549
You can preorder it for just $330 right now before it ships. Hopefully since it's a atom it will have good battery life.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-win-intel-z8550-win-10-os-game-console#/
>>54333510
Any battery capacity specs yet?
If it's about 15Wh, it should get 9 hours for general shit and 5 hours if you're gaming on it. (basing it off other Atom chinklets)
>>54333618
>GPD says the non-removeable 6,000 mAh battery should be able to provide up to 8 hours of battery life while streaming videos, or around 6 to 8 hours of game play time (depending on the games).
http://liliputing.com/2016/02/gpd-win-is-a-handheld-windows-gaming-pc-for-299-crowdfunding.html
>>54330211
>Windows 10 on that abortion hardware
Perfect! Just what I was looking for
>>54333593
Thanks but I'm not preordering it since it seems too good to be true and will probably be vaporware.
>>54333593
>before it ships
>literally no prototypes working
Why would you throw money into crowd sourcing into something so early?
Even the mock-ups look ugly as hell
>>54333685
>>54333685
All are fan for handheld device.
>>54333675
>>54333685
I just mentioned it because the company said the final price is supposed to be higher than the preorder price.
>>54333735
Yeah that's how they get you. These chinks ain't loyal.
>>54333735
GPD already have devices out on the market. The XD is an Android version of this, but with no keyboard. Judging by the XD, the final price will not go up.
>>54322239
The CPU is replaceable, the developers talked about releasing a x86 based CPU board in the near future.
>>54333728
kek
>>54333728
I wish I took a screenshot from an earlier gpd win thread where someone came up with clever chink names for them.
>>54333816
People that made the openpandora used to work for gpd
>>54333835
I'd buy one if they went MIPS
>>54325979
Speaking of this, I wonder if that one guy from a thread a month ago ever got gcc compiled on BB10.
I've personally heard of someone running android on a passport SE, so linux might be possible.
>>54333960
>android on a passport SE
Why would anyone do such a thing? BB10OS >>>>>>>>>>> Android
>>54333728
honestly the chinglish makes me trust them more, not less
they're not a bunch of S.F. beardcucks, they're a bunch of lead-poisoned chinks who actually have a track record of shipping hardware you can buy on amazon RIGHT NOW
>>54334013
Yea have fun getting a defective unit and dealing with "each unit test for best quality always"
>>54333685
they're using kickstarter for preordering, not crowd funding. They already make devices and have no issue designing and manufacturing. They're not just some nerds in a basement.
http://obscurehandhelds.com/2016/02/gpd-are-back-with-something-a-little-different/
in the comments
>Hello,This is kendy from GPD company.Thanks so much for your kind concerns and support for us!!We are a company is specialized in the design and manufacture of video games consoles.And we all have a dream to make a portable handheld PC/Gaming consoles based on Windows system.so we make GPD WIN.Please don’t worry.No matter the found raise is succeed or not.we will be surely complete this perfect device!!!Of cause,we all hope you can help us to make this campaign success.So we will have more confidence for GPD WIN!!!Any concerns,just be free to let me know.With many thanks again!!!
Is the GPD WIN, CPU and GPU better than the GPD XD?
>>54334224
Yes, a lot better.
Does the Pocket CHIP count as a UMPC?
Much cheaper than both the Pyra and the Win
although the specs on the pyra aren't quite as nice I'm sure it will feel a lot better to use.
>>54327191
I had one. battery was 3 hours idle, <2 in use. I upgraded and bought a bigger battery and it doubled the usage to 6 hours, but it was laggy at times and the resolution was hard to read.
pic related, I had a gold one
>>54333841
I remember that. it was like stealing money or something. I'll see if I have it saved
>>54334844
And since the CPU board (which has the gpu and ram on it) is replaceable, it will become more powerful than the GPD/Meme in the next year or two.
>>54334893
I didn't know that it's replaceable. That's actually huge. Phones get horribly outdated in just a few years so having a replaceable CPU will be great for longevity.
Which one has /g/ preordered?
4G or no 4G?
>>54335648
4G + 4GB of ram
>>54315306
Ugly, expensive, bulky, slow... who would like that pos?
>Not getting a precious RasPI 3 + Motorola Lapdock
When will you ever learn, /g/?
I guess it's so expensive only because every part of the system is fully open and documented? 100% open source hardware?
If so, and if they manage to gain traction and create a large enough community around it, they may be able to mass produce at larger quantities, reducing the cost and making it more accessible, which in turn will further expand the community. That alone should put it miles ahead of phones and those GayPeDo handhelds, and then there's the upgradeable board.
I kinda doubt it though. It's still too expensive.
>>54327129
But that doesn't have gaming buttons. The device you posted if for a different niche than he pyra.
>>54335687
>Ugly
That's subjective, I personally love the early 2000s vibe it give me.
>expensive
That's true, but that is to be expected since they are aiming for a niche market. Read this if you want to know what that money is spent on: https://pyra-handheld.com/boards/threads/how-to-calculate-a-price-for-the-pyra.73755/
>bulky
I can fit it in my pocket, and the keyboard/screen size is perfect to me.
>slow
It runs optimized debian, so unless you want to run call of modern warefare 2000, or mine memecoins, it's perfectly capable. Also, CPU, GPU and RAM are upgradable.
>>54335741
>f so, and if they manage to gain traction and create a large enough community around it
Doubt they will
The only reason why Arduino and Raspberry are so popular is because they are cheap
People wouldnt want to buy what they would see as an underpowered and overpriced laptop.
Cut the price by 2/3 and maybe they will have a chance.
>>54315496
>Euro
Grow up you got damn waste of life yuropoor.
Literally every country other than America, Japan, and Switzerland needs to be cleaned of life and then have all natural resources extracted for our use.
>>54335859
>Japan
Found the weaboo
>>54335845
Pretty much this. The Pyra will always be a tiny community with very half-assed community distros, requiring blobs will hurt it even more.
The GPD Win gets a free pass because it's literally just a Windows PC, which will be supported by Microsoft for a very long time even if GPD decides to drop dead next month.
