Okay fags, since you don't want the government reading your encrypted files or hoarding your metadata, how do you suggest they catch terrorists and pedophiles? How exactly do you expect Homeland Security and the FBI to catch pedophiles and terrorists without this information? The only reason there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 9/11 is because of programs like PRISM and mass surveillance. Why do you want another 9/11? Your encryption means nothing because we can just indefinitely detain you if you refuse to decrypt your data.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/
tl;dr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctykf8qh288
>>54278528
>implying it's completely impossible to catch predators and terrorists without it
>implying giving up liberty to gain security isn't a poisonous direction for a civilization to head to
>>54278599
reported
Maybe we should start treating pedophilia like the mental illness it is, instead of locking them up for looking at "illegal images". Funny how a pedo could legally possess child murder photos but as soon as there's pussy it's highly illegal.
>>54278599
>>implying it's completely impossible to catch predators and terrorists without it
How would you catch someone who used all encrypted communication?
>>54278653
It's not in the DSM5, so it's not a mental illness.
>>54278528
Same as they do now and have always done -- through normal police work, tips, investigation, etc.
What terrorist plot have they stopped through using PRISM data? As far as I've heard it's always been through someone giving them a tip, and then they investigate, infiltrate, and so forth.
>>54278688
It is in the DSM V. It's also been in previous DSMs. Stop talking out of your ass.
>>54278702
>Same as they do now and have always done -- through normal police work, tips, investigation, etc.
Then why did 9/11 happen, retard.
>What terrorist plot have they stopped through using PRISM data?
That isn't for civilians to know.
>>54278709
Nope.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/01/dsm-pedophilia-mental-disorder-paraphilia_n_4184878.html
Blown the fuck out.
>>54278688
HUMINT is a great start desu.
ELINT is a poor substitute that has been shoehorned more and more into the territory of the earlier.
>>54278528
You have the wrong mindset.
We should put the effort in preventing such things from happening.
Or else we just could invade every country for their oil and afterwards violate privacy to catch the terrorists we have created.
>>54278528
Damn I admire american logos. Just look how much symbolism in every gov logo. Truly a masonic country.
>>54278731
Do you know the difference between having obsessive compulsive tendencies and having OCD?
There are plenty of people who are irrationally annoyed by things like books being out of order or one pencil being sharper than the other, sometimes even to the point where they go out of their way and waste effort to fix it. The difference between that and having OCD is that OCD negatively affects their life so much that they can't function. This article is written by someone who clearly has no understanding of what the term "disorder" entails in the context of mental health.
>>54278528
>there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 9/11
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Marathon_bombing
Done during PRISM. Why didn't you stop them?
Easy, rid the world of muslims and sexy kids. Ill go back to /pol/ now.
>>54278731
>huffpost
Return with appropriate proofs.
>blown the fuck out
See above.
Paedophilia disorder is in both DSM 4 and DSM 5
Now
>>>/out/
>>54278731
>its not for civilians to know
Because the number is zero.
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/youll-never-guess-how-many-terrorist-plots-the-nsas-domestic-spy-program-has-foiled
>then why did 9/11 happen
As the 9/11 commission stated, we had all the clues we needed, we just couldn't put them together. The same for the Paris attacks, the Boston bombing, etc. These people were kniwn to us prior to acting, but our intelligence agencies are so hung up on "collecting it all" (the institutional motto of the nsa) that they don't take the time to put the pieces together.
>>54278784
PRISM had several predecessors that should've detected 9/11 as well. See ECHELON et al
>>54278528
There hasn't been a major terrorist attack before 9/11, either.
Those surveillance programs arent aimed at terrorists, you idiots
>>54278528
The
>I have nothing to hide so why should i keep it hidden
Fallacy
>>54278731
>Then why did 9/11 happen, retard.
Because nobody's perfect. It's often hard to notice someone, especially if they're trying not to be noticed.
Same goes online. We all know PRISM monitors all the major encrypted things. So if you're a terrorist and have half a brain, you'll be using something else.
>That isn't for civilians to know.
It's apparently not for congressmen or judges to know either, when they're considering whether the NSA should be allowed to continue PRISM. From that I'd guess that either that's because there aren't any, or because the NSA doesn't actually care if PRISM is discontinued.
>>54278832
>As the 9/11 commission stated, we had all the clues we needed, we just couldn't put them together.
It's not because they can't, it's because they don't want to because of bureaucratic infighting.
I always thought getting a warrant issued by a judge was a good way to get said information. I don't really understand the problem behind that.
>>54278528
>Your encryption means nothing because we can just indefinitely detain you if you refuse to decrypt your data.
That's also highly fucking illegal, since it goes against out 5th amendment right of self incrimination
I dont know what 3rd world EU shithole you come from, but here in the states were innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY
>>54278528
thinthread
>>54278885
That's very accurate. Bill Bennie developed a program called Thin Thread which connected the dots so precisely that it embarrassed the NSA afterwards. It was never implemented because he was causing a shitstorm internally over domestic spying.
>>54278557
(you)
>>54278528
Check out:
“I’ve Got Nothing to Hide” and Other
Misunderstandings of Privacy
DANIEL J. SOLOVE
I don't have the link, but I'm sure a quick Google will yield results.
>>54278936
Bill Binney*
https://publicintelligence.net/binney-nsa-declaration/
>>54278885
So address that instead of tossing even more useless data into the mix that's useless without that critical step of putting the pieces together.
So far this has obliterated all forms of online privacy, illegally spied on countless citizens who aren't suspected of doing anything, spied on our ally countries which can be kinda bad for diplomacy, and caught all of -ZERO- terrorists or pedophiles who wouldn't have been caught without it.
>>/pol/
>>54279008
>>>/reddit/
>>54278773
DSM5 > you
>>54278822
Only those who act on it are considered mentally ill, so people who just download pictures aren't mentally ill and are fair game.
Blown the fuck out.
>>54278832
blogspam
>>54278877
before PRISM: 9/11
after PRISM: no 9/11's
It's simple really.
> kick out arabs
> stop moralfagging over liking teens with huge tits
USA: problems solved
>>54279066
>kys
>>54278784
I said major faggot. Fewer than 10 people died in the Boston Bombing. Unless we're willing to ban Muslims, minor ones might get through.
>>54279093
The FBI, Congress, and the President's advisory board can't point to any terrorist plot the domestic spying has stopped.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/us-senate-intelligence-officials-nsa
There might not have been a 9/11, but there has been Paris, the underwear bombing, Boston Marathon, Brussels, Madrid, London, Cairo, etc.
>>54279093
>before PRISM: 9/11
>after PRISM: no 9/11's
>It's simple really.
Seriously hope you're trolling here. Before PRISM there was ECHELON doing something very similar. After 9/11 nobody's really tried to 9/11 us again. There was that moron who had a small bomb in his shoe, but PRISM didn't stop him. He was stopped by his own incompetence and other passengers becoming suspicious. There have been other attempts too, but none as major as 9/11, or as well thought out, or that were caught using PRISM.
Similar story, using your logic: There was once a bear in my yard. So I set up a "no bears" sign. No bears in the yard since, so it must be working.
They'll just lock you up anyway.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36159146
>>54279197
They can't reveal that information.
>>54279199
You have no idea what terrorists have been up to. Only our Lords and Protectors in the NSA do.
>>54278528
>The only reason there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 9/11 is because of programs
>like there was people using internet circa 2001
I'll put something where people help to alert about others, more like in the 50's with commies
Probaly something like "goverment approved certs" with tax reducction will help take of "the list" several links
I don't encrypt anything and i have windows ten.
so NSA i subscribed to the botnet already because i'm a good goy.
>>54279233
>They can't reveal that information.
Then they should kindly fuck off and go back to forms of spying that don't violate their citizens' constitutional rights while failing to deliver anything of value that can be publicly revealed.
>You have no idea what terrorists have been up to. Only our Lords and Protectors in the NSA do.
So either reveal it or send me the billions they're being paid instead. I'll use it to sit on my ass all day and pat myself on the back whenever a terrorist doesn't attack us, and deliver a report about how I wasn't able to put all the pieces together when they do. And I'll do it without any spying, illegal or otherwise.
>>54278528
>reason why there hasn't been a major terrorist attack since 9/11
The NSA doesn't care about preventing a 9/11 event.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/nsa-analyst-we-could-have_b_1513494.html
>>54279290
He just called NSA "lords and protectors". Why even respond?
>>54279290
The Constitution was written by white, slaveholding men. If you give a damn about what it says, you're a goddamned racist. It's 2016, I answer to reason and science, not to some goddamned piece of paper.
No one has to justify anything to you.
>>54279293
That's just an opinion from a code monkey. It means nothing.
>>54279233
They can't even reveal the number? They can't reveal the details to the people who are supposed to have oversight of the programs?
>>54278528
Daily reminder that none of the recent terror attacks used encryption.
Daily reminder the NSA couldn't find a terrorist if they looked in a mirror.
>child porn is a criminal offence
Nigger how the fuck can someones sexual orientation be a crime? At worst its a mental health issue and the wants help dealing with it as much as you want him crucified.
>terrorists
Uhg, almost 20 years later and they're still on about the non-existant terrorists. Terrorists aren't a problem in the western world. Go to Iraq, Afghanistan or Pakistan then you can complain about terrorists.
>>54279491
>Nigger how the fuck can someones sexual orientation be a crime?
The distribution and possession of child pornography is considered to be encouraging child abuse.
>>54278528
You got some links that prism does what you claim? Because it can be argued that they simply don't exist and that's why they don't happen.
>>54279528
>distributes CP without asking for money
encouraging production of CP
>distributes music without asking for money
destroys the music industry, discourages production of music
>>54279386
>The Constitution was written by white, slaveholding men. If you give a damn about what it says, you're a goddamned racist. It's 2016, I answer to reason and science, not to some goddamned piece of paper.
SJW: The post
>>54278528
>one guy
>out of tens, hundreds of thousands
>the system works
Ok buddy.
>We cant tell you if the system works or not because muh national security
>Just trust us it works
>>54279386
I don't even care that it's b8. I'll not have you corrupt some clueless bystander into thinking any of that makes sense. Use reason, and the color of someone's skin is not a reason you bigot.
Explain to me what is 'wrong' with each of them and I'll tell you why they are necessary. You made the claim that they're broken, so the burden of proof lies on you to say what's wrong with them.
There is reason behind the bill of rights. The natural rights spelled out by the amendments are all just as valid today as they were when put in place.
It was put there to prevent an overarching government from stomping on the citizens. Countless examples can be found throughout history of leaderships becoming too oppressive towards their people.
We can go to the extremes, like the DPRK (North Korea) or simple no taxation without representation as in the American revolutionary war. When there are no checks on the government's power, it gets out of hand.
>>54279789
God he would've been such a good president...
Too smart for that position. Why are left with the shit no one wants?
>>54280119
>I don't even care that it's b8
The scary thing is, is that i dont even think its bait ...
>>54278528
as I said before, kys
>>54278528
>how do you suggest they catch terrorists
Don't let foreigners in. Any that are caught are shot as spies. Duh.
>>54279561
Shitty false equivalency. Music will be made despite their shitty arguments. CP will be made despite many organizations best efforts, but putting up steep penalties for distribution steers people looking for easy money away from that risk. (Like bootleggers) As long as it's out there it could be used to make money at some point, which would create a stronger desire to market and produce it.
Fuck it, it's bad so we try to deter people from doing it, so we make it a crime.
When cp is made a child is abused. By participating in sharing you are sending a message that it's okay, and most folks don't want that.
If you or someone you know are a pedo check out virped dot org (I think... I don't remember), don't harm children, get some help establishing healthy behaviors and thought patterns. You are stronger than your desires.
>>54278909
Yeah, right. Tell that bullshit to this guy.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/04/child-porn-suspect-jailed-for-7-months-for-refusing-to-decrypt-hard-drives/
>>54278528
drop the fucking punishment bullshit
catch the aggressive type of pedos but fucking fix them, their life has been wrong in some way for them to become this. fix the fucking problem, rather than enact unconstitutional torture (throwing them in jail)
but plenty of people just look at pictures without doing anything. these people are none of your business
foreign terrorists get no rights, even if they are here legally. fuck them
but with domestic WHITE american terrorists, you have to play by the rules, 100%
and resources should go to correct the issue they are having in a humane, non-punishing way
/thread
>The investigation began in 2015 when Pennsylvania prosecutors were monitoring the online network Freenet and executed a search warrant of the man's home.
FUCK!
>>54280748
pedo detected
>>54279093
correlation =/= causation anon.
>>54279093
>after PRISM: no 9/11's
Yeah just wait until Clinton is in power and a ''''''convenient'''''' attack from ISIS happens giving the US ample justification to remove Assad
>>54281700
>giving the US ample justification
We need justification? since when did we EVER need that?
