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This thread is about the appreciation of watches, as well as the micro-engineering and materials engineering that is required to make a fine watch.
Required viewing for newbies:
http://youtu.be/508-rmdY4jQ
Strap guide:
http://pastebin.com/SwRysprE
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>>54256035
>>54273004
Second for SARB
I'm not effay by any degree. Are there any rules for matching a NATO strap with your dial color? Like are there any color combinations to avoid? I am thinking about putting a black or silver zulu strap on this.
>>54273526
Black would never look offensive.
I'm getting this exact watch with an orange nato myself.
>>54273526
Bought the same watch a while back.
Nlack would be fine but gray/silver will not fit the teal dial. Navy blue is another option.
>>54273537
>>54273570
Do you think a black strap would look ridiculous with a Pepsi bezel?
>>54273656
A navy blue would look better, but i guess black wouldn't be too bad.
>>54273041
> Watch "enthusiasts" mostly focus on mechanical, not really quartz. If you just want a hassle-free experience and don't care about what makes the watch tick, or the "art" of watchmaking, you should probably just get a quartz.
You couldn't be further from the truth bub
Which one would you get?
>>54273685
Please stop. It took a whole year to redeem Citizen's reputation after the Ecoshill.
>>54273537
Navy blue is the answer.
I'm going to get a Swatch.
>>54273738
I wouldn't.
>>54273758
Which one? The Sistem51 is pretty interesting.
>>54273756
It's too late to cancel my order for a black zulu strap.
>>54273738
Sinn. I never noticed how ugly the Navitimers hands are through
>>54273751
I ain't no ecoshill pal. Just spreading the Casio love
>>54273758
Why pay hundreds for a plastic watch?
>>54273791
Why pay thousands for a steel watch?
>>54273791
>I ain't no ecoshill pal.
You're 70% ecoshill.
Other image was too big
>>54273927
You know what I'm talking about, don't be dense.
Even a sistem51 is a waste of money when even a Seiko 5 will last you longer
>>54273944
Literally all I'm doing is posting pictures. No clue why you're so ass blasted
>>54273950
>24hr mode
Nice
>>54273770
>>54273758
http://watchguy.co.uk/review-a-trip-inside-the-swatch-sistem51-eta-c10111/
Not really.
>>54273944
He's more along 40% ecoshill, annoying and shills for free but can't really derail a thread.
>>54274005
No, it really is interesting, you dunce.
I didn't say it was good or well made.
>>54273992
I'm not the guy who wanted the Swatch, I just dont understand why you feel the need to dictate what other people buy or like.
>>54274005
>The claim that one central screw holds together the components of the movement is total bullshit – it’s just a rotor screw.
Typical Mountain Jew jewery
Is /wt/ going to buy a Trump watch?
Never mind the chink DW-tier internals, it might be worth something if he wins
>>54273992
Oceanus is a waste, since a Seiko 5 will last as long.
>>54274068
>one central screw holds together the components of the movement
Why would this be a thing? Why would anyone care about the number of screws in the movement?
>>54274068
The butthurt goys in the comments make it a lot better.
>>54274102
This. I'd rather get a Sekio 5.
>>54274102
>a Seiko 5 will last as long.
I can guarantee you it won't.
High end Casio caps have no problem lasting 15-20 years, and they're easily and cheaply replaced. It would also keep good time throughout its life
A 7s26 on the other hand would last around 10 years if you baby it, but time keeping is probably gonna slope down by 6 or so years.
If you're referring to my Seiko 5 and Sistem comparison the Seiko 5 literally would last longer.
The sistem is built like shit, you can check the link above.
>>54274123
That's what they advertised it as. It's basically a 10 dollar plastic movement that they tried to hype up to sell to idiots at 10x the price.
>>54274133
Stockholm syndrome is a hard thing to cure anon
>>54274176
>10$
Now you just insulted every self respecting Chinese movement producer, and not like there are a lot of them too boot.
The movement is more cheaply made than the 4$ Soki's you see on aliexpress.
>And here comes the real surprise – a plastic escape wheel and pallet fork. I haven’t seen anything like this in even the cheapest Chinese movements, and I think every self-respecting Chinese engineer wouldn’t want to put something like this into a movement. Only the Swiss dare to go where nobody has gone before, and manage to construct the crappiest mechanical movement ever made. Congratulations!
>The winding stem can’t be removed as there is no need to do that. You just buy the watch, and put it straight into the bin. No need to wear it.
My fucking sides
>>54274231
I actually have a $2 Soki. Dropped it onto concrete from the 3rd floor and it still works, although the case is cracked.
>>54274176
>I can guarantee you it won't.
I don't tank the word of someone clearly biased as proof. You'll have to provide it otherwise.
>High end Casio caps have no problem lasting 15-20 years, and they're easily and cheaply replaced. It would also keep good time throughout its life
You say High end Casio's last 20 years and Seiko 5 lasts 10 years.
Then buy a Seiko 5 now and one in ten years. It's a lot cheaper than buying an Oceanus.
>Seiko 5 last 10 years if you baby it
How comes there's Seiko 5's that's ~40 years old being sold on eBay?
>>54274202
I'd prefer it in a dark brown instead of black.
I don't think that strap design works with black.
>>54274374
its actually a dark brown, im a shit photographer and my phone sucks
>>54274401
Oh.. okay.
>>54274401
More along the lines of you being a shitty and lazy photographer. Take the pic in decent lighting and it'll look better.
Strap fits nicely though.
>>54274427
>Take the pic in decent lighting and it'll look better.
This constitutes him not being a shitty photographer, haha.
Lighting is really everything.
>>54274358
>How comes there's Seiko 5's that's ~40 years old being sold on eBay?
The older Seiko 5s don't use the 7s26. Also do yourself a favor and don't buy a used one from ebay unless it's a limited edition one or some shit, chances are it'll smell like curry when you get it...
You could buy a Seiko 5 twice, but you would be buying an inferior watch twice, meanwhile you could be buying one of the best JDM watches that Casio offers and have a chance to bond with it. The fact that it can last so long is just a bonus.
There's plenty of fully working Casio watches online. They use very high quality caps and boards. It's relatively hard to kill a casio (unless you're drowning a non WR one obviously)
I still have a Forester from when I was in 2nd grade, over 17 years ago, and it only needed 2 battery changes to last that long. Actually I haven't touched it in about 3 years and its only 92 off from time.gov. Not bad
>>54274265
>a plastic escape wheel and pallet fork. I haven’t seen anything like this in even the cheapest Chinese movements
I have. In 80's Hong-Kong pin-pallet garbage. The horror.
>>54274358
It is because everything on 4chan is a lie some sperg is convincing himself is true.
>>54274450
92 seconds.
>>54274202
Did you lose the bracelet or something?
Still the best looking Rolex though. It's pretty fucking hard to make that thing look bad
>>54274461
Tell us more anon
>>54274202
shame for the badly done numbers and low quality casing. It's too obvious now
>>54274450
Not the same dude, but the older Seiko's use movements that are not too far off from the 7S26 (7002,6106,6309 and etc) but are generally of higher quality.
And even older quartz watches do need servicing at times, seals need to be replaced (which can lead to moisture related damage), older electronic components can break, day/date mechanisms can break and some higher end quartz movements do need lubrication.
>>54274450
>The older Seiko 5s don't use the 7s26
>You could buy a Seiko 5 twice, but you would be buying an inferior watch twice
http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-seiko-5-automatic-men-watch-d-d-21J-original-bracelet-cal-7s26-/152065424862?hash=item2367ce3dde:g:XPQAAOSw2GlXG8Qj
:^)
>you could be buying one of the best JDM watches that Casio offers and have a chance to bond with it.
Do you know what is more important than value of a watch? Liking it.
If he likes the Sistem51, he should buy that. It's really that simple.
>>54274555
>>54274598
Give it up, he's a humongous hypocrite.
He tells an anon to buy another watch because it's worse value for money than another, but it's OK as long as it's an OC-anus.
>>54274502
>Still the best looking Rolex though
I prefer the Milgauss.
>>54274555
>And even older quartz watches do need servicing at times, seals need to be replaced (which can lead to moisture related damage), older electronic components can break, day/date mechanisms can break and some higher end quartz movements do need lubrication.
That's true. All I'm saying is that even with their cheapest resin watches Casio does a pretty good job of future-proofing.
The motors in an Oceanus probably won't need to be lubed for decades. I would be more worried about the capacitor going bad (surprisingly rare in their Solar watches, compared to eco drives)
>>54274598
The older ones don't. Look it up
Also
>Case is carefully buffed by a professional
No thanks
If you like it, buy it; doesn't mean we can't discuss it. If you want a safe space for people to praise your watch taste you can fuck off to reddit.
>>54274616
When did I say that? A Seiko 5 is objectively better than any swatch. It is literally a better value, scroll up to see why.
And an oceanus is better than a S5 in the same way that a SARB is better than a S5, how is this even an argument?
>>54274651
Toss up between the two for me, someday I'll own both...
>>54274502
>Tell us more anon
Back in the early-mid 80's when ana-digi was a hit the HK chinks made a lot of cheap shit ana-digi watches. Back then shitty plastic pin-pallet garbage was still cheaper to make in China/HK than actual analog quartz, so these were made with an LCD digital part and a handwinding, unjeweled, pin-pallet analog part.
Problem is not only the lever and the escape wheel are (very soft) plastic, but their pivots as well, so once you take it apart (and you will have to take it apart once since the piece of shit just doesn't work) you can't really put it back together anymore since the pivots just keep bending. I have one in mint condition (no pics, sorry, but it kinda looks like this Casio), and I'll be replacing the analog mechanical movement to a quartz one, since it's the standard 6.75x8 size.
>>54274678
>The older ones don't. Look it up
Gee, I think the engravement on the movement is lying then. Or maybe it's this anonymous Casio shill on 4chan who's. I wonder.
>It is literally a better value, scroll up to see why.
Yep, I agree, it is.
But it's also better value than an Oceanus, but value isn't all that matters, are you too autistic to understand that?
What matters is that the anon likes his watch. He shouldn't get the Seiko 5 if he doesn't like it. He should get his Sistem51.
>>54274678
>If you want a safe space for people to praise your watch taste you can fuck off to reddit.
If you want a place to write about your shitty Oceanus all day, fuck off back to WordPress.
>>54273570
I actually like the look of the "plain" bezel.. I think it would look nice with the black nato.
>>54274780
mm
Gimme a few moments, i think i could cobble that combo on a black nato.
What watch should I get for 90-100 bucks?
I've already got a Casio MDV106 and Timex Red Wing Chronograph, so I'd prefer something that isn't a diver and doesn't look like a Timex Waterbury.
I'm considering a Seiko 5 SNK80*.
Preferably no bigger than 42mm.
>>54274834
>Seiko 5 SNK80*
A great watch, you'll be happy with it.
What do you guys think of the Elephone W2 memewatch with fitness tracking?
>>54274807
>>54274780
Doesn't look to bad.
No other black natos except this one though.
Still holding up after 3 months, got it with my first pay check
>>54274771
>I'd rather keep jerking off to the same 12 watches every thread
No thanks, this place needs some digital love.
>>54274753
>But it's also better value than an Oceanus
And how is that? Maybe you should take an economics and writing course before posting pal
>>54274924
I take back what I said. Thanks anon!
>>54274870
That's what I'm thinking as well. I've been wanting to get an automatic watch that's not too big, so this one looks really nice.
If no one has better recommendations, I might just go for it.
>>54274949
>I'd rather keep jerking off to the same single watch every thread
No thanks, this place needs more than one watch.
>And how is that? Maybe you should take an economics and writing course before posting pal
Because it can last 40 year at 1/10th the price of an Oceanus.
>>54274932
You been liking it?
>>54274959
I have one. I like it.
>>54274932
Is the regular expedition movement as loud as the weekender? My Chrono version is near silent, even with both hands running.
>>54274979
>Because it can last 40 year at 1/10th the price of an Oceanus.
Wait..you actually think a 7s26 can last 40 years and still keep time? Are you fucking dense?
>>54274721
>and I'll be replacing the analog mechanical movement to a quartz one, since it's the standard 6.75x8 size.
Why not just keep it mint? It sounds like a very interesting piece of chink watch history.
Still, I can't imagine them making any money off them, ana-digi casios were never terribly expensive
>>54275031
>Wait..you actually think a 7s26 can last 40 years and still keep time? Are you fucking dense?
You have yet to provide any proof of anything.
I'm done with you, Casio shill.
Eat a cock, and let people buy whatever they like.
Also, could you please use a name and/or trip so I can filter you?
>>54274989
The more I think about it, the better idea it seems like.
>>54275031
>Wait..you actually think a 7s26 can last 40 years and still keep time? Are you fucking dense?
So you think an Oceanus lasts 10 times as long as a Seiko 5? Are you fucking dense?
why shouldn't I get one? apart from the loud as fuck movement? any other downside?
Why are digital watches so unpopular here?
They are literally superior in any category
>>54275166
eaten numerals.
>>54275192
to me personally they look juvenile except for the F-91w and derivatives.
>>54273992
>Literally all I'm doing is posting pictures. No clue why you're so ass blasted
I wasnt the other person you were talking to. No one is ass blasted, and you don't know what the word literally means.
>>54275192
They look like shit, IMO even the casio f91w memewatch looks better than that
>>54275166
Do you like it? Get it.
>>54275031
I can hear it if I remove it before I m taking a shower and I am in the toilet but besides that I never notice the noise.
>>54275192
Honestly, the G-Shock, while being great watches and wall, reminds me of the fucking ugly Diesel watches.
>>54275055
I have a striking suspicion you're the same curry faggot that's been posting.
Here, lets break down your ebay link shall we?
>CHANDIGARH, CHANDIGARH, India
>all the watches are serviced and checked for time accuracy but please expect a variation of +/- 2-3 minutes per day may be there.
You can bet your shit crusted ass it'll be losing 5 minutes a day.
The case looks like shit and the movement is very clearly "professionally" serviced by your local street "watch maker"
Fuck off retard. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>54275076
A penis quartz form the 70's will keep good time in 2016 without a service. The lineage and oceanus line (along with the other watches with the same movement) use much more advanced stepper motors and have no batteries to internally corrode the circuit board. Not to mention all the internals have very robust shielding.
There's no doubt in my mind that any of them can last until their perpetual calendar date limit, 2099.
>>54275166
Don't quote me on this, but I think your watch uses the same movement as the expedition chronos, in which case it'll be near silent.
I recommend the expedition chrono though, as it has 100m WR.
>>54275247
Not true
>>54275240
So it's the same as the weekender movement then. Good to know.
>>54275204
you mean the six being slightly overshadowed by the chrono?
>>54275236
i do and i plan to but it never hurts to look for the cons before pulling the trigger.
>>54275192
/wt/ only really likes about 3 styles of watch.
This is a circle jerk, sorry to break it to you
>>54275273
>I have a striking suspicion you're the same curry faggot that's been posting.
no that's me I am asking the guy asking abt the Weekender chrono.
man just when i stop namefagging and try to have a fresh start as anon you bring me up.
>>54275273
Earlier
>15-20 years
Now
>At least 83 years, no doubt in my mind.
You make it hard to take you serious.
Now where are we on that name/trip?
You're certainly an attentionwhoring faggot, so you've already got step 1 complete.
>>54275231
Do you think I should wear mine?
My wrist is thin as fuck
>>54275055
>>54275076
He's just starting things that he suspects to be true given his view of Casio superiority, and the perceived inferiority of other brands. There are 20 year old SKX still in operation using the same modern 7s movement.
>>54275340
Your hands looks like Gollum's. No hate.
... but that being said, I don't think Gollum would wear a FW91.
>>54275344
More along the lines of shitposting.
>>54275340
Wrong hand, but alright otherwise.
>>54275340
>20:05
So where in Europe are you? Germany?
>>54275374
They are pretty dry and bony. I dont like to pull too much attention on them, so I usually dont wear rings or watches
>>54275336
I should have mentioned that the oceanus has an power saver mode, so the cap is not always being re/discharged at 100%, which would easily let it last 50 years, if not more.
I don't know this for sure, but the lineage movements don't have this, meaning that after around 20 years you might need to replace the caps.
These aren't simple DW-tier movements anon.
>>54275344
Not keeping very good time I imagine.
>>54275395
>Germany
yep
>>54275389
Although being a right hander I prefer wearing it on my right wrist
>>54275344
At least he doesn't have a watch meant for blind people.
Don't think we like you just because we hate the Oceanus shill.
>>54275434
Anon, you care about me more than I care about you.
>>54275407
>They are pretty dry and bony
Why don't you use moisturizer, anon?
>>54275431
>Germany
Cool, me too. Not German, though.
>>54275192
>They are literally superior in any category
I see a very specific upside to analog watches. The position and movement of the hands gives you an instant idea of elapsed time.
For instance, if you check your watch twice within 5 minutes, you will see essentially the same thing, but if you wait 3 hours it will be completely different. Digital displays totally negate this.
Also, it allows you to see "at a glance" what time it is, without having to parse the information of the actual numbers.
Same reason I much prefer analog displays for a speedometer, and same reason all tachymeters in cars and bikes are analog.
>>54275192
I like them. Especially ana-digis or stuff like >>54275273.
>>54275431
That's alright then.
>>54275434
He's much more tolerable on the upside.
Just look at this thread, 25 posters and were already at 90+ posts.
>>54275477
you seem Gay-Faggot to me
>>54275477
Did you migrate here from /fa/, or do you just dress like a /fa/ggot?
>>54275461
>Why don't you use moisturizer, anon?
I do. It doesnt really help though. I even need to cut off the skin above my fingernails or it gets cracky
>>54275476
>The position and movement of the hands gives you an instant idea of elapsed time.
This is why I like ana-digi watches so much.
You get the quick look ability while retaining all the digital functions. Hourly and 10min chimes are a god-send during exams
>>54275522
>I even need to cut off the skin above my fingernails or it gets cracky
You can use oil for the cuticles.
>>54275477
>filter
Go back to instagram, faggot.
>>54273738
None.
Search for the first version of navitimer and call it a day.
>>54275567
>chimes during exams
hellspawn
>>54275586
I use milking grease over the night.
I either have bad genetics or some vitamine or mineral deficits
>>54273758
I have Irony Chrono.
They are ok but be sure not to overpay.
>>54275651
Well.. Good luck, anon. Take care of your hands!
>>54275648
It a short beep, nothing too bad.
Really helps with pacing yourself though
Professional exams don't allow digital watches sadly, so you have to keep checking the time on your own. Really annoying
Dude wants to trade me this Invicta but I'm not high enough level to identify the model number to tell if it's a straight trade. (Or if the bitch is fake)
Backplate pic incoming.
>>54275779
disgusting
>>54275779
Does it look like a PS1 game in real life, or is that just your camera?
>>54275763
>fake invicta
It's like if you went up to someone driving a Kia and asked them if it was a kit car.
>>54275779
That is an aspiring rapper-tier watch, stay away from that dindu (or pajeet).
>>54275192
Not too many interesting ones out there I guess. I have nothing against digital watches but I just dislike many of their designs aesthetically and a lot of the ones with cool features are absolutely huge and wear too large on my wrist. Also they don't exactly go well with most of my apparel so I'd probably never wear one even if I had them. I'd buy a G-Shock if I manage to figure out where to wear one.
>>54275779
God I hate Invictas.
>>54275192
What do you think about this one? It costs about 2000 Euros, worth it?
>>54275192
I would like to see more digital too, also because i can't read a normal watch :(
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Museum_of_Natural_History,_New_Delhi#April_2016_fire
Is currycuck still here? I want to laugh into that little brown faggots face.
The only watch worth my time. Pun intended.
Today is JLC day for me.
Cheers faggots!!
>>54273004
Now that's a pic I can appreciate as OP.
>>54273459
>dat green dial
>>54273526
There is none. If possible, you should even try to match colors. But don't use a NATO with any formal clothes.
>>54273738
None, actually. If forced, Sinn.
>>54273791
>>54273950
>>54273992
>>54275192
>>54275340
>modern digital quartz
Sorry m8s, but
>Not even once.
>>54274097
It already worths shit
>>54274202
Not bad, if authentic.
>>54274265
I never understood why he acted so angry and bitchy. It's not like Sistem51 were "quality" watches. It's right there in the price.
>>54274651
This
>>54274877
Smartwatches are still a few more years from being not shitty. I suggest you to be patient.
>>54275340
>those fingers
Dude, eat a sandwich or something.
>>54275779
>Dude wants to trade me this Invicta
Fucking no. Get away from him and give advise to LEA as he is probably a rapist nigger.
>>54275973
OhH FUCK
>NOPE
>>54276024
Would you really prefer a Calatrava over something like a Nautilus or aquanaut as your only watch? And that Calatrava specifically?
>>54275340
>those hands
How'd you get out of your camp?
>>54276024
There is no way you could have a Calatrava like an "only watch". You'll be out of place almost everywhere and you'll beat it up really fast.
Get real kid.
>>54276143
Been a while. What've you been up to?
Also, you have an F.P. Journe if I romember correctly, mind posting it?
Would black mesh strap look good on 420 amphibia with black scuba dude?
>>54276297
Nope. Black bracelet with a regular case would look bad.
>>54274924
It looks ok in this video.
https://youtu.be/PK4vBVs7X_o
>>54276274
I've been pretty well m8, thnks
>posting the pic everybody already knows and is tired of it.
>>54276415
That's because i took a shit picture along with a shitty 18mm nato.
Told you it looks pretty alright, just not my cup of tea
>>54276433
I really like the blue nuances in this watch, thanks.
It's always been my favorite of your collection.
Which of one of your watches gets the most wrist time?
>>54276143
Good lord that watch is so ugly, I want it
>>54276319
Somewhy I though if it looks ok with black leather, why it shouldn't look bad with black mesh...
>>54276519
That would be my Speedmaster Pro. It's a working horse that can sustain a lot of abuse without breaking.
>>54276794
>soflty bait
>>54273459
how much for the pocket/stop watch?
>>54275414
Please don't steal my images oce-anusfag
Ive been observing these threads a while and always had the same question, why are you only talking about shit watches when talking about low-mid priced watches?
Seiko has shit movements, breitling uses ETA calibers for their overpriced watches
>AND, i feel ashamend when i see patek and casio analogue/digital watches in the same thread
>>54276143
Although i dont really like the reverso collection this one is nice, which watches do you have?
What do you /g/entlemen think of the ETA 2824-2 movement? I own a couple of watches with it and they seem to work well.
>>54276899
No bait, its truly revolting
>>54276899
>It's a working horse that can sustain a lot of abuse without breaking.
What level of abuse does a lawyer put on a watch anyway?
>>54277068
>AND, i feel ashamend when i see patek and casio analogue/digital watches in the same thread
Why..?
>>54277088
The ETA 2824 and 2892 where developed the same time/ by the same developers and had several problems regarding the automatic windig system, it depends on the manufactoring year of the movement
The automatic weight of the first gen was too light and in the second generation the automatic wheel had too much clearance, but as long as it works fine for you theres no problem
>>54277205
Because a patek (or any other comparable watch) is a master piece of engineering and handcraft mady with love while a casio is just a mass product in a "bad" quality
These are 2 completely different things for me
>>54277290
But a watch is a watch is a watch
And its a watch thread. Naturally, there will be watches in it
>>54277290
Oh, so you're a reserved elitist, OK.
I think it's nice that people with different incomes can get along.
>>54277290
>Because a patek (or any other comparable watch) is a master piece of engineering and handcraft mady with love while a casio is just a mass product in a "bad" quality
Damn you really took that swiss cock in deep.
I guess one could call me Nicolas Hayek.
>>54277377
good goy
>>54277506
I am indeed.
>>54277185
I have a very active life style m8.
>Pic related, it's me in a south american jungle, when I went exploring for a month and almost broke my leg.
>>54277068
Thnks. I actually have several watches. More than 50 among high-end and affordable ones.
>>54277113
Good thing you and I have different taste.
>>54277290
>These are 2 completely different things for me
True, but both are also watches, so stop acting like a pampered bitch with a snob complex.
>>54277377
Nice collection Nic. You´re missing a Breguet somewhere.
>>54273791
I've been thinking about a 5610 to replace my f91w. have you experienced any issues with the auto illumination or atomic update? the reviews on amazon are making it seem as if those features work some of the time
>>54277349
>>54277327
That has nothing to do with a different income or beeing a swiss fanboy, but i think we should definetely differ between these 2 things, bc (in my opinion) you cant compare them and bc there is SO much difference between a high end watch and a low end watch
Because casio produces a million watches a year and patek just hundreds
Because patek (or glashütte/vacheron/audemars/lange&söhne) has a tradition that lasts for generations
And my problem with japanese/chinese brands (im a watchmaker) is that watches with seiko or miyota movements are sold for the same price as watches with eta calibers and you see so much bad aspects on the japanese movements that come from not caring about the quailty
>>54276005
yeah I'm right here and Oh Wow a fucking museum I had no idea even existed burned down oh wow how will we even live now.
>Because a patek (or any other comparable watch) is a master piece of engineering and handcraft mady with love while a casio is just a mass product in a "bad" quality
Yes! Yes! Let the Swiss meme flow through you anon, pass me your wallet and fall for the memes of the mountain Jew!
>with the power of our Swiss Jew memes! we shall become more powerful then you could ever imagine.
>>54277625
> Nice collection Nic. You´re missing a Breguet somewhere.
Thank you. I am not particularly fond of Breguet. Currently saving up for either an IWC Portugieser or a Pilot's Watch.
Well I ordered the Weekender Chrono because it was on sale and I remain as bitter and antagonistic towards you all despite you people's influence skyrocketing my humble collection of 2 watches to 13 in a single week :p
>>54277684
lmao get out
>>54277780
very nice my white devil friend I've decided to not ruin the threads now just don't provoke me again ok :)
>>54275231
I think the original G-Shock looks great but almost all the others are tacky. f91w looks like a womens/kids' watch on me.
>>54277707
Thank you for supporting my country. We are in a big need for shekels to keep all the asylum seeking low lifes out.
>>54277750
>I am not particularly fond of Breguet
Then you are not a Hayek
Still, good luck with your next acquisition
>>54277684
>(im a watchmaker)
Then you lack humility and vision my friend.
also rate my curry NATOs :)
>>54277836
B-but.. I wear three watches at the same time. Jokes aside, I do like your bracelet on your Speedy. Was that already on? If not, where did you get that?
>>54277798
Sometimes the truth needs to come out, Pajeet.
>>54277836
Lawyeranon how did you get into watches?
>>54277920
I agree, I had a busy day yesterday my frustration got vent on you shitposters rather than some poor sod irl so its all good :p
>>54275799
give it back, Jamal
>>54277954
>>54277798
>:)
>:p
You forgot your name, currybreath.
>shitposters
We have to shit somewhere, since it's illegal to shit in the streets in 1st world countries
Which one would you choose as gf if she absolutely requires you to wear her watch?
Reminder to ignore and report emoticons, Reddit links, and any other disruptive posting.
>>54278137
Okay, shithead :^)
>>54278137
Tripfaggotry is disruptive.
>>54278138
a gentleman only gets angry sometimes unlike an uneducated hick that'd rather shitpost just to get a rise out of people.
>>54277903
It's an original Omega rubber strap. Very comfortable. I got it as a gift at a Omega event, those guys spoil me a lot.
>>54277939
According to my mother I was into watches since I was very little. My very first watch was a mechanical POS that I throw the biggest tantrum to get and still posses. Later, whe I was 10 or so my father bought a subscription to a newspaper that came with a montly magazine about watches and that's when all wen ti hell.
>>54277954
>>54277920
Hey Pahjeet. I visited your country last year for two months and let me tell you I loved it very much. It was an awsome experience.
I didn't poo in the loo, though.
>>54278104
>>54278124
>mfw both watches were never production pieces, but rather props. I'm sad now.
>>54278137
You're right NineBalls.
:^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
>>54278232
Where did my name go??
>fucking cellphone.
>>54277903 #
It's an original Omega rubber strap. Very comfortable. I got it as a gift at a Omega event, those guys spoil me a lot.
>>54277939 #
According to my mother I was into watches since I was very little. My very first watch was a mechanical POS that I throw the biggest tantrum to get and still posses. Later, whe I was 10 or so my father bought a subscription to a newspaper that came with a montly magazine about watches and that's when all wen ti hell.
>>54277954 #
>>54277920 #
Hey Pahjeet. I visited your country last year for two months and let me tell you I loved it very much. It was an awsome experience.
I didn't poo in the loo, though.
>>54278104 #
>>54278124 #
>mfw both watches were never production pieces, but rather props. I'm sad now.
>>54278137 #
You're right NineBalls.
:^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^) :^)
>>54278232
glad you liked it man whatever flaws India has it is my motherland :)
>>54278183
Only if it triggers autists.
>he doesn't have a watch where the hands are a blunt and joint that fades to a picture of snoop
>>54278232
>>54278263
Well Ripley's watch was built from a real Casio, the F-100. It was Casio's first plastic-case watch in 1978, which I guess made it futuristic enough for the movie.
>>54278263
>I didn't poo in the loo, though.
Didn't you want the whole Indian experience?
Are you not a RealTraveler™?
>>54278307
>being 12 years old
Global rule nr. 2 says you have to be 18 to post here.
>You will immediately cease and not continue to access the site if you are under the age of 18.
>>54276143
I think the reason why he was so bitchy was because a Seiko 7S26 is built with at least some expectation of repairability. While the movement itself may be disposable in the end, that comes down more to cost than to size.
>>54277021
It's a Soviet stopwatch with a pocket watch mainspring, balance wheel, etc. I think I paid $30 USD for it on eBay.
>>54277233
I thought the issue with the 2824 was that it didn't like hand-winding, despite the fact that it's massively advertised with such a capability? Speaking of which, how is it that Seiko can figure out how to properly graft hand-winding and hacking onto a movement that never had either, but the Swiss have trouble making a purpose-built system?
>>54278348
A loo is a toilet. If he didn't use the loo then he used the street
>>54278379
*more to cost than design... Man them Freudian slips
>>54277684
Do digital watches make you mad?
>>54277626
>any issues with the auto illumination or atomic update
It's not my pic, but you should have no problem syncing if you're in a supported country (any where but Africa and the curry part of asia basically)
Auto light is kinda finicky though, but the worst than can happen is you press the light button. No biggie
>>54278420
grr.. im so angry
>>54278467
We saw your webm last thread.
Are you really that proud of your wristcomputer?
>>54278263
>I didn't poo in the loo, though.
kek
>>54278387
>Not knowing memes
So, how new are you?
So is TGV actually rich or is he just cosplaying?
Nigga those are just watches. The Egyptians figured watches, nothing impressive about that.
>>54278263
>My very first watch was a mechanical POS
What's that? Got any pictures of it?
>>54278598
The latter.
SARBO17 masterrace reporting in
>>54278265
I loved Varanasi, I went hunting tigers in Rajhastan -with my camara-, i took a five day journey over an elephant, I hook up with a cute desi girl attending the lobby in my hotel in Deli, I visited like ALL the temples, I peregrinated with the Sikh, I tasted lots of differents dishes...
What's not to love???
>I also had diarrhea. No fun there. Nope.
>>54278307
>>54278467
Ugly piece oh shit.
>>54278318
Still, not production models to buy and wear.
>>54278348
I don't like the idea of shitting in the street; I'm weird that way.
>>54278628
Yes, but I'll post them until I arrive home, at night. It's a brandless watch. Nothing special but I still wear it at home from time to time.
>>54278672
Nice dial.
I'm thinking of getting a SNKN33. I'm looking for a decent understated casual watch and I like the look of this dial. Is it a good choice? 64€ on rakuten.
>>54278736
>I went hunting tigers in Rajhastan -with my camara-
oh I'm from Rajasthan you went to Ranthambore Tiger reserve it seems :) did you go to Jantar Mantar? you know the old sundial and scientific stuff's there in Jaipur I live a few kilometeres from there.
Alright faggots
Data Bank time.
This was the coolest fucking shit. Having what is basically a mini Palm PDA on your wrist.
>>54278854
You could rewind your VCR AND control the TV volume with this.
Not to mention it was perfect for the mid 80s- Early 90s NEET because you would never lose or have to reach for the remote.
>>54278881
One of the more popular models (it was cheaper and came on a bracelet)
They toned down the functions, but it could still do all the basic PDA stuff.
>>54278881
Nigga, how about transmitting meme catchphrases on the FM-band to nearby radios.
>>54278790
>oh I'm from Rajasthan you went to Ranthambore
You're right, my mistake. I visited both, though.
>did you go to Jantar Mantar? you know the old sundial and scientific stuff's there in Jaipur I live a few kilometeres from there.
Yes I did m8. We weren't very far.
>pic related
>>54277626
I've had no problems with the radio controlled aspect. It doesn't do it every night, it depends on how strong the signal is. It's accurate enough not to matter though.
I don't have auto illumination turned on though as I can just push the button if needs be.
>>54278977
Well you would first have to remind yourself to do so with one of these
>>54278854
I have the silver one on the bracelet, the features really come in handy and mundies love it.
>>54279082
I'm about to order one myself
Wearing this shit made you the coolest motherfucker at school.
I remember begging for one as a kid. Bought one for myself 10 years later. Still cool as fuck
inb4 ninefag starts memeing
>>54273004
Opinions?
>>54279301
Disgusting
This is literally just a Palm Pilot on your wrist
>>54278854
>>54278881
>>54278931
>>54278977
>>54279027
>>54279082
>>54279142
>>54279316
souless crap
>death to digi digi
>>54279815
Honestly those are the watches that belong in a /g/ thread
The rest of you normie faggots can go suck swiss cock over at /fa/
Does anyone think this watch looks any good?
>>54280107
I don't.
>>54280107
better than digi digi
>>54279952
get bent
>>54278740
That watch isn't really understated. It's pretty busy.
>>54280132
Damn son you mad
Anyway, more Data Banks
>>54279952
Calm down anon. I don't like digitals very much either, but that anon is just trying to troll you. -succesfully-
>>54280107
I have seen worst, but you should lurk further.
>Let's show some analog love too.
>pic related
whats the best watch for the price on alie?
>>54280455
This I like.
>>54280596
probably the denzel washingtons because the nato strap alone is worth the $3-4
plus you could probably sell it to someone for $80 easy
>>54280766
>the nato strap alone is worth the $3-4
actually it isn't
i've yet to come across a shittier material being used on anything. i brought the DW meme and didn't ever went out with it, got it off my closet last week just because and it was dead (battery probably) even though the crown was pulled.
>>54278299
It does though.
>>54281031
>>54280766
different person, what the fuck is a denzel washington? I don't see anything.
>>54281855
TL note: denzel washington means daniel wellington.
>>54281855
>what the fuck is a denzel washington?
It's when your girl leaves you for an educated nigger.
>>54274651
I agree, that's a nice looking rolex
>>54282478
>dat dial
My dick. Now if only that wasn't $30k give or take.
>>54275651
Probably bacterial, go see a doctor sometimes that shits contagious
>>54277684
You have no idea what you are talking about, you glorified battery changing monkey.
Seiko has made and continues to make some of the greatest practical mechanical movements of all time, easily the equal of pre-Swatch Omega and Rolex.
For that matter, the Miyota 9015 is generally considered a bettee designed movement than the ETA 2824-2 it was designed to compete against.
>>54282496
There. Buy it or shut up.
>>54282625
>easily the equal of pre-Swatch Omega and Rolex
Seiko is good, but let's not loose track or reality here.
>>54276024
Boooooooring
Needs more dials
My friend bought a Nixon watch and it looked pretty good. Official /wt/ verdict on Nixon watches in general?
>>54282672
You should probably read up a little on Seiko's history. Seiko literally ended the Swiss chronometer competitions in the 1960's by BTFO'ing the Swiss on their home turf and causing the Swiss watchmakers to literally cancel all chronometer trials in mortal fear of being embarrassed further.
The Seiko 45xx and 52xx caliber series from the 1965-1975 period are amongst the greatest pre-quartz revolution mechanical movements and have no problem going toe-to-toe with the Omega 56x/75x caliber.
On a contemporary basis, Grand Seikos are direct competitors for Rolex on a quality and reliability basis.
>>54282735
Mall trash.
>>54278672
these look damn good in sunlight but boring indoors.
These "Winner" automatics from aliexpress look pretty good. Any info?
>>54284238
What do you want to know?
I'm not a professional watch reviewer but I have one.
>>54284309
Reliability, quality, worth waiting 2-4 weeks?
Thanks!
>>54284309
No, no, no.
You're welcome.
>>54284412
This was meant to
>>54284351
>>54284351
>reliability
Well I have to wind it every time I use it because I don't use it everyday, but it last an entire day with a winding at least.
>quality
The strap is what you'd spect from 15 dollars, I replaced it the moment I got it.
The watch however has taken a lot of hits and still works, I did not spect it coming from a chinese watch.
The crystal is domed and I'm pretty sure its acrylic, despite the hits still dosnt show scratch.
>worth waiting 2-4 weeks
Not sure how to answer this, I feel I got lucky this watch, because a lot of people says they have problems with chinese watches and mine has lasted months.
So is up to you if you want to risk it but hey, most of winner mechanicals watches are like 10-20 dollars, its worth a try if you like how the watch looks.
>>54284530
Cool, thanks!
Will probably get one for fun. It will be a surprise in the mail.
>>54275476
I feel like a good rant and I'm about to destroy your ass, son.
Nothing personal.
Your arguments are just utterly ridiculous...
>The position and movement of the hands gives you an instant idea of elapsed time.
For instance, if you check your watch twice within 5 minutes, you will see essentially the same thing,
but if you wait 3 hours it will be completely different.
Most digital watches have a stopwatch if you're concerned about elapsed time.
It'll tell you exactly how much time has passed at a glance.
Some give you the option to run the stopwatch and display the current time at the same time.
Pushing a button would be too much of a hassle for you, though.
How do you even lift your arm to check the time without your brain being inconvenienced?
>Also, it allows you to see "at a glance" what time it is, without having to parse the information of the actual numbers.
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read...
You make it sound like such a goddamn hassle to read three (or four) numbers that make up the time.
Parsing the information? The "actual" numbers? Well, fuck me! That sounds like a huge pain in the ass! Instead, let me decipher three sticks pointing in three different directions around a circle at 12 other sticks or dots with no numbers at all in some cases!
>Same reason I much prefer analog displays for a speedometer, and same reason all tachymeters in cars and bikes are analog.
.The tachymeter is exclusive to watches. It's a tool that helps you determine average speed or distance traveled. What I believe you meant was "tachometer." That's the instrument in your vehicle that displays the engine's RPM or revolutions per minute.
I also prefer analog readouts for speedometers and tachometers over digital number readouts, but not exclusively because they're easy to read at a glance. The alternative is simply lame. I'm a man, dammit.
I wanna see those needles climb as the engine gets louder and I get pushed back into my seat!
>>54285009
That's not how you spell personnel.
My SKX009 losts about 5 seconds every day. Is it considered good?
>>54285107
I think its fine
Any recommendations for a tritium watch?
I can't afford anything like a Ball.
I've been looking at Luminox, but I've heard both good and bad things about them.
I was thinking on buying SKX007. However, I found pic related. Too short for me. Can anyone recommend me similar automatic divers for 150-250(-300)€ price? Thanks bros
>>54285107
That's very good for the movement it uses and is slightly above average for mechanical watches in general
>>54285692
Orient Ray bruh. If you are interested I'll sell you mine for like $80
Anyone have any suggestions for GMT watch under 500?
>>54285009
It's interesting, despite wearing analog watches for a few years, I haven't learned to quickly tell the time. Anytime someone asks me for the time it takes me a few seconds to mentally figure it out. Instead however, I have begun to associate events (university class start and end times) based on their hand positions and distance rather than their number values, and can gauge that instantly.
>>54285009
It seems like you're trying too hard to come up with forcibly twisted explanations. Also tachymeter and tachometer virtually mean the same thing, they even share the same etymology.
BTW, actioning the stop function just to have a glance of a world known phenomenon called "elapsed time"? Don't be ridiculous.
Just accept your digi digi is souless and of inferior kind than glorious analog.
>>54280361
Are you from Spain or a Spanish speaking country, abogado?
>>54285934
Someone already asked lawyersan that I think he said he bouth it from a spanish collector
>>54285761
Parnis GMT Master II, if you want the crafty little chink selling it will make it look like a Rolex.
Hadn't heard of the sistem51.
Now I want to pick one up - the uglier the better.
It's like having a slow-motion trainwreck on your wrist! What's not to love?
>>54285761
Steinhart make a decent one
>>54286268
Obviously people have their own tastes but I fuckimg hate that thing, the ability to produce cheap stuff has became superfluous these days considering how much disposable income people have, you should get something more artisanal or something that is a bigger meme like a Vostok
>>54286268
Guess who put it in his top 10 affordable mechanical watches?
>>54286326
I hate it too.
It is stupefyingly awful...
How can you possibly not want to own the absolute worst watch ever made?
>>54285741
Is it really that hard putting it up for sale on eBay?
>>54286443
How horrifying...
>>54286466
It's off a template drawanon put up a while ago.
>>54286415
If I had a memechannel I would tell people to buy them too. Comedy gold.
>>54286415
Literal who.
>>54286443
I think it's nice to offer it to other anons before putting it up for sale.
I'd rather sell it to an anon who will appreciate it, than a random cuck on eBay.
>>54286570
I could understand that part, i did sell one of my watches to an anon who stumbled by and was interested in it.
Though still, he's been trying to do that for a month or more by now.
>>54286558
This
>>54286558
>>54286741
These guys don't know the wonder that is TGV.
>>54278559
you're a fucking retard
>>54278740
Yes, it should be pretty good.
>>54285009
You seem to have a hard time understanding simple concepts, anon.
>>54273004
Hamilton understand aesthetics
>>54287292
dogshit just like all other hamiltons
>>54287292
It's alright. I like the lugs and indices, but the 12 marker isn't great, and the date window could use some work.
Also, what's up with that seconds subdial? It seems like the movement they used was too small for the case, so they had to make the actual hand not centered in the dial and it looks like crap. They should just have omitted the subdial entirely.
>>54287292
It's OK, but I'm not a fan of all the rose gold with a steel case.
>>54287313
And the crown isn't great either. Thinking about it, it's not actually alright, it's pretty bad.
>>54285761
You can get a Vostok Amphibia GMT diver for just 173€ from Meranom.
>>54287295
i bet your the kind of person you'd buy a commie watch
>>54287378
who would*
>>54287378
nope, I have a sarb035 and a max bill, I just think Hamiltons are all tacky, their only decent model is their field watch
>>54287498
there both cheap watches and one of them is a quatz, not much better.
>>54287532
max bill has quartz variants but the one i own and posted is an automatic, get your eyes checked
I'm sure most people would rather own a sarb or a max bill than the shitty hamilton plated rose gold indices on steel that you posted
>>54287292
Maestro Small Second Auto is better. Actually really pretty imo.
>>54287585
you seem a little upset poorfag, do Rolexes trigger you also?
I like seikos, so i not going to hate although Grand seiko is in my opinion a better watch.
>>54287638
i agree it looks better
>>54287638
>all numeral indices
>countour around the date window
yep that's definitely better.
That subdial is still fucked up though.
>>54287674
nope, just shitty hamiltons posted by your clueless ass
the worst part is you think that actually looks good
>>54287341
IF ONLY Vostok would change their design for once and adapt a click bezel it would be THE best diver in-house movement for the price. Hell, even if it were like 20$ more expensive (you know, machining and materials cost) per watch, it would pay itself off within a year. Because the WR and movements are great, just that "charming" and "thats what makes a Vostok special" retarded bezel sucks major balls.
>>54287736
nice argument
>>54287789
yours is even better, weak Rolex and Vostok baits
how's about you post your watch instead of trying to grasp at straws
>>54287532
>Junghans Automatic
>fucking shitty quartz watch, REEEEEEEEEEE
>>54287887
He posted a dress watch?
>>54287774
They did do that on the 1967 reissue, but it was a so-so 90 click unidirectional bezel.
>>54287887
What about vintage?
>>54288053
>thick case
Not that bad, in my opinion.
Plenty of dress watches have lume, though. Especially older ones. I have a watch similar to pic related. Lume everywhere.
>>54288075
God that is ugly.
>>54288120
The Geneve line is definitely dress watches.
>>54287774
There was a Red October Amphibia model that had an unidirectional bezel, but I bet these were foreign parts added by the Americans.
Really all you need to do though is make a ratcheting bezel, drill a small hole into the case and stick a wire in it. I've seen ten dollar chinkshit have it.
>>54288123
Fuck you, my pep-pep had good taste.
>>54288144
No, he had shit taste. Seems like it may be genetic.
>>54288071
A special reissue with a click bezel and a (notoriously bad) mineral crystal didnt justify its price, especially after all those horror stories od the glass breaking after the slightest temperature change.
>>54288136
I dont want to have to do it myself I want it done by Vostok for a slightly higher price.
All in all, Vostok is pretty solid build but their bezel design is seriously outdated. It might seem to go well with their tank quality movements, but I need a 200m diver with a click bezel. By Vostok.
>>54288295
How about being a stupid faggot? Is your father the worlds only Down-Syndrome gimp?
>>54288371
No, but he does have bone-marrow cancer.
>>54288385
It's your fault though, god punishes him for raising a little queer like you.
>>54288334
I did say it was a so-so bezel, and the shit mineral crystal cracking is a different issue.
Just buy the Citizen NY0040, we need some new meme watch trend.
>>54288144
You still haven't bought a lizard/croc strap for it.
>>54288410
>>54288371
>>54288144
come on guys...
>>54288144
blocky commie shit
>>54288413
I'm still on the fence on reptile leather or coffee perlon. I'm hesitant 'cause I know I'll fall off the deep end and bankrupt myself for the month binge buying a ton >$10 watch shit I'll never wear.
Pic related, I haven't worn this strap since.
>>54288442
It's from the 70's, idiot-kun, when a lot of watches looked like that.
>>54288508
dosen't change the fact it's ugly
>>54288548
You're still a moron though.
>>54288449
Can't say i differ much.
I bought a total of 4 watches this month, while i sold about 5 beforehand. Still got a few straps enroute though.
>>54288413
Yep, true. The Skx007, orient ray and vostok Amphibia are really overused memes.
>>54288413
>>54289319
How about the DW290? About same price as an Amphibia, kinda unique-looking with its hex case, 200m WR and it's regarded as an "almost G-Shock".
>>54289379
Also worn by Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible so that adds to it's cool factor.
>>54289436
Which means the design is at least as old as the SKX.
>>54289379
>>54289436
We've already met, sir.
>>54289479
It's nice, but looks like any other Pro-Trek or Suunto. Not unique or characteristic enough to be a meme.
>>54282747
What's hilarious about this is that the 52xx caliber can be picked up for a fucking song, whereas the Omega equivalents still cost a fortune. Seiko's main problem is they don't shill their own stuff enough (in typical Japanese fashion) and it ends up fading into the history books.
Let's be fair though, the 45 caliber is shit.
>>54286430
My friend bought one of these after visiting the swatch store because it was the cheapest mechanical they had on display. His watch knowledge was basically "well Anon told me mechanicals are good and this one is Swiss so it must be really good". I was honestly more proud of a coworker who paid $300 for a quartz Bulova, because at least that wasn't total useless shit.
>>54288334
The bezel is less of an issue compared to the laughably bad lume. My cheap quartz Seiko has longer-lasting and brighter lume than a supposed dive watch.
>>54289585
>the 45 caliber is shit
On what basis?
It was the caliber that took the top 6 places achieved by mechanicals in the last Swiss chronometer competition.
In my research I haven't come across anything to suggest that the accuracy and reliability of the 45xx caliber isn't up there with the 52xx.
>>54289526
Wouldnt want it to be a meme, just showing you that Im the anon with the Mission impossible reference from a week ago.
>>54289585
>lume
Right, the lume sucks. Come to think of it, besides the 420 body, the cute watchhands and the movement, almost everything on an amphibia is fugly. Even the dials are somewhat cringy.
>>54289450
Early 90's I think.
which is better looking?
>>54290203
both dogshit
>>54290273
Which is less dogshit faggot?
S I N N
I
N
N
>>54290328
Looks like a Fortis. Maybe because of the 7750.
>>54290203
I like the panda.
That bezel isn't great though.
>>54290417
Where to put the day/date complication then you dum dum?
>>54290467
Not that guy, but date at 4, day at 12?
>>54289813
It may have been great when new, but so are expensive German cars. Over time, the 45 caliber has a lot of issues that tend to develop. Firstly, the mainsprings snap with surprising regularity, which because of the design will also destroy the cannon pinion. When they do work, they tend to put out a little too much power, and the watch will slowly start to destroy itself unless everything is perfectly adjusted. There are lots of 45 calibers with ground teeth on the geartrains, which causes a loss of accuracy and weird movement in the seconds hand. The 52 caliber is like the Toyota Camry to the 45 caliber's Land Rover. Less iconic in many ways, but way more dependable.
>>54290417
The 7750 is a damn decent movement all things considered, even if it is over-used and quite often overpriced. Show me another mechanical chronograph that can go 10+ years without any service and not the slightest worry of any damage.
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>>54290575
Don't forget about he 7750's stupid date related issues. Something that the chinks on the Asian 7750s managed to fix.
And either how, you can still easily find older twin register chronograph nowdays.
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