http://www.computerworld.com/article/3027911/microsoft-windows/windows-server-2016-could-cost-you-more-than-you-think.html
>due later this year, customers will have to purchase licenses based on the number of activated processor cores in each server. Licenses will be sold in packs covering two cores, and customers will be required to purchase enough licenses to cover at least eight cores for each physical processor, regardless of how many cores are actually in their server, Barnett said.
>it's real
>>54206241
No way they are THAT jewish
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>THEY FELL FOR THE CURRY NUTELLA MEME
>>54206241
> licenses based on the number of activated processor cores in each server
this is advanced jewery
>meanwhile at microsoft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yYXkL7W1Bg
>>54206241
>This kills the Win server
>>54206241
Sad but technically true. The other side of that though is that the packs will be cheaper. I seem to recall that the tipping point will be 32 cores.
But depending on usage scenarios, AVMA may still make it worth doing.
>TFW linux wins once again
>>54206241
>>54206273
>>54206279
>>54206340
http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/contracts/processor-core-factor-table-070634.pdf
>>54206364
>that the packs will be cheaper.
>implying
>>54206241
>windows server
>THEY FELL FOR THE WINBLOWS SERVER MEME
>they will do the same for windows 10
calling it
>>54206388
>search Oracle's CEO
>Safra Catz
>born Israel
Never wrong.
>>54206349
those juden are pretty cute :3
>>54206241
>per core
holy fuck hahahahahaaaa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Ellison
>Larry Ellison was born in New York City, to an unwed Jewish mother.
>>54206241
>per core
WINDOWS SERVER BTFO
Pretty much every processor nowadays is eight core but this is still stupid.
SuSE and RHEL are generally half the price to license with better performance for most enterprise apps. It'll just further reduce licensing to those who *must* use windows instead of those who are lazy.
I hope they will do the same with windows [spoiler] so everyone will switch to sa system free as the freedom [/spoiler]
Fortunately, the only people retarded enough to use Windows server are the retards that got tricked into using Active Directory. Everyone else knows that Linux and BSD are THE operating systems to use for running servers.
How does hyperthreading fit into this?
>>54206515
>Pretty much every processor nowadays is eight core but this is still stupid.
Not true for servers. It's not uncommon to have a server CPU with more than 8 cores. They will become even more common in the future.
>>54206611
>>Pretty much every processor nowadays is eight core but this is still stupid.
>Not true for servers. It's not uncommon to have a server CPU with more than 8 cores
I've seen more on Solaris but most processor families top or average at eight, I think POWER8 tops out at 10 or 12 cores per physical processor.
Requiring an eight core minimum purchase requirement is going to hurt stragglers on older hardware, and on the refresh cycle they're going to feel some anger/resentment on Microsoft fucking them.
Welcome to the business world, you unemployed autistics. This is how literally every single company does things.
>>54206685
>we sell you this car with 2 wheels
>pay so we can give you 2 more wheels
>this is somehow normal
Fuck off schlomo.
>>54206685
>he doesnt know about linux/bsd marketshare on servers
>he doesnt know about linux marketshare on everything thats not a desktop computer
>he doesnt know about linux marketshare on supercomputers.
Theres a reason the only argument wincucks can muster up is my gaymes. Dude, just go to reddit if u dont know anything about technology other than what phone to buy.
>>54206677
>most processor families top or average at eight
nigga even the e5 xeons top out at 18 nowadays
>>54206729
https://www.redhat.com/wapps/store/catalog.html
rhel licencing for you
What a stupid way to charge for software.
>>54206729
I didn't say that this wasn't jewish or anything. It's just how the market works nowadays.
It makes sense for companies to do this, otherwise, people are just going to buy a super beefy server with hundreds of cores and buy every software exactly once.
>>54206740
>he doesnt know about linux/bsd marketshare on servers
Shitty lamp-boxes run by cheapskate amateurs? Sure, I know about them.
>he doesnt know about linux marketshare on everything thats not a desktop computer
What does that have to do with anything? Calm your autism, man.
>he doesnt know about linux marketshare on supercomputers.
See the last point.
>>54206677
That's just not true. 11/16 Xeon e5 processors have over 8 cores. 10/12 Xeon e7 processors have over 8 cores. It is not at all uncommon to have more than eight physical cores in a modern server CPU.
I assume the charge is per physical core, not per logical core. Charging per logical core would make no sense.
>>54206741
They top out at 22 cores.
http://ark.intel.com/products/91317/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2699-v4-55M-Cache-2_20-GHz
>>54206775
>Shitty lamp-boxes run by cheapskate amateurs? Sure, I know about them.
lel
In a survey of the top 1 million websites, fewer than 2% were hosted with Windows.
http://www.w3cook.com/os/summary/
Deal with it.
>>54206865
Yes, but those 1.7% are very important, because they provide services that no loonix or BSD could ever provide.
Linux is chosen for Servers because it's cheap. When there's a job that can be done by both a Windows Server and a Linux Server then yeah, of course you're going to choose the Linux server, why waste money?
This is how a lot of enterprise software is sold.
I use a program called Magma. It simulates casting molten metal into a geometry and solidification. They charge you more depending on how many cores you want to use when running simulations. More cores means a higher license fee.
>>54206241
This must be a hoax. How jewish can you become?
>>54206912
>they provide services that no loonix or BSD could ever provide.
Yeah, right. The biggest websites, datacenters, and supercomputers on the planet run Linux, but it's a toy OS used only by cheapskate amateurs. Google, Amazon, and Apple are all amateur poorfags, which is why their datacenters run Linux.
Cry some more, Winfag.
By the way, I deleted the post you replied to because I accidentally double-posted. Sorry. This is a duplicate of the post you replied to: >>54206886
>>54206992
Yes, but the whole OS?
There's a limit to how jewish you can be...
So is this microsofts secret way of trying to kill off AMD with their MOAR COREZ business strategy?
>>54206740
>MUH WEB SERVERS
>MUH SUPERCOMPUTERS
and thats it. i have over 1000 windows servers at my work, but the vast majority of them are virtualized. good thing im not the one to worry about licensing bullshit, although there is no need to even think about upgrading to 2016 for quite a while
>>54207142
>companies are designed to make money
This windows server shit won't even affect you. I have no problems with companies jewing the shit out of other companies, they can afford to pay for this licencing bullshit.
It's not like I've ever paid for Windows, so why would I care about the pricing model at all? Sounds like they're fucking over server-users, and if I'll ever do something like that, why the fuck would I go with Microsoft?
In essence: Who the fuck would or does care?
>>54207114
He was pretending to be retarded boys
Isn't this how servers have always been priced? How was it before?
It's like MS wants to alienate its entire userbase.
>I actually long for the day when MS burns itself to the ground and is reborn again, pure.
t. Win 7 user
>>54206241
Isn't that actually pretty common? I'm surprised MS didn't do that yet.
>>54207321
>>54207397
per socket
>>54207355
not like they can move off easily
>>54206559
Found the kid whose only work experience are hipster startups with macbooks.
>>54207404
>per socket
Has there been an absurd increase in number of cores? That would sort of explain it.
Wasn't it already sold like this? this is the industry standard.
>>54207475
You can now buy 22 core Xeons for less than 5k
So what's stopping people from switching to Linux at this point? If windows becomes too expensive people will just switch. Plus I feel like the type of people who deal with servers shouldn't have a hard time dealing with Linux vs windows
>>54207551
Of course, why don't companies compile their own gentoo kernels? They can even hire so much fatasses from /g/ to do that for them.
>>54207551
If you have to ask that question, do yourself a favor and prepare yourself to be laughed out of the building.
>>54207551
>it's really easy to move production servers over to a completely new operating system
>>54207591
>>54206388
>using windows to run servers
Why?
Is Microsoft aware that they have decent affordable competitors in that field?
Has someone told them?
>>54207654
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd448614.aspx
There is no real usable alternative for active directory.
>>54207675
https://www.turnkeylinux.org/domain-controller
Worst case scenario you have one Windows server for Windows logons and everything else on Linux servers.
>>54207775
Why would you use Linux to administrate Windows desktops?
chose the right tool for the right job anon
>>54207775
you realize active directory does a lot more than just manage shit like logins, right?
nothing speaks ignorance more than assuming businesses can just 'switch' to a linux infrastructure
Micropajeet, not even once.
>>54207832
Because Windows desktops are simple folder structures and I shouldn't thousands of dollars of software to just keep those on a server and occasionally add or remove them.
>>54207845
What else does it do? Roam my settings? Help me configure Outlook?
Thank you Microsoft for providing a fantastic reason for corporations to use Linux even more than they already do.
>>54207881
it allows you to push out configuration settings for literally any part of windows remotely, manage patching and permissions and anything else.
not to mention exchange is great.
>>54207906
t. Pajeet
>>54207906
>exchange is great.
>exchange
>great
>>54207940
f*cking epic response bro!
>>54207881
There's more to it than the sticker price, it also comes down to the cost of maintaining it.
It's going to be easy to find windows sysadmins with experience looking after fleets of windows systems, harder to find linux sysadmins with experience in ldap/looking after windows desktops (= paying more than the cost of the fucking windows server licence in the first place(
>>54207948
it works great if you dont use 365. everything i use is all in house and since it integrates so well into ad everything just works. address book, calendar works just like you would think
but i bet you think something like google mail is an alternative
>>54207832
>>use Linux to administrate Windows desktops
>being this misinformed
You aren't using "linux" to administer windows environment - you are using SAMBA as a Domain Controller which can run on practically on any OS, and normally you'd use the "Active Directory" snap-in on a Windows computer to administer the Domain Controller.
With that said most business stay away solution from this for security compliance reasons. It does work well for small companies and lab set-ups that don't have the budget to get full blown Window Server license.
I hope I can grab a licence before I finish my degree, want to mess with windows stuff a bit
>>54208069
dreamspark
>>54208002
Buddy, you think exchange is great.
>>54207845
I can only imagine you've never used Samba's AD implementation - it is a drop-in replacement for MS AD. Does group policies, users, all that jazz - it can even replicate to it from a Microsoft PDC as a standby or for labbing.
>>54208085
That's exactly what I'm talking about
More market share for Red Hat, I guess.
>>54208088
Serious question: Is there an alternative that's as full-featured as exchange?
>>54206241
>people running ms server don't switch to linux because down time is a no go
>ms introduces ridiculous fees
>down time is suddenly an acceptable option
way to go ms
>>54208135
Read the fucking thread.
>>54208088
>LOL INDIANS XD
>>54208102
and yet no one uses it because like it or not, the windows implementation of ad will never be beaten by linux.
no one gets tricked into using it, they use it for a reason
>>54208102
why would i waste use timesink open sores dogshit software written by pajeet in his spare time
i only use the highest quality enterprise™ tier™ software written by whites working in an actual paid job
>>54208147
>Not one alternative to exchange mentioned in thread.
>'Read the fucking thread.'
>>54208152
Designated detected.
>>54208147
No.
>>54208161
then redhat linux is for you my friend. it was built and is maintained by the white patriarchy
>>54208152
>and yet no one uses it
I use it at home, and in my work lab.
>>54208172
Read it again.
>>54208186
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Hat#Red_Hat_India
POO IN IT
>>54208161
And Jew Goldstein's IT investment firm is very proud of you for encouraging white business.
>>54206241
>customers will have to purchase licenses based on the number of activated processor cores in each server
This is news? MS has been doing this since forever. VMWare has similar scheme - they charge per core and how much RAM you want the hypervisor to have access to.
Yet companies keep using Windows and paying out of their ass.
It's like Microsoft has bound them.
>>54208182
>gets called out
>w.. w.. well your a le poo in loo XD
>>54208205
i have been here the entire time, exchange wasnt even mentioned until i brought it up and no one has given an alternative.
either quote the post or stop trying to fit in
>>54208245
You're asking companies to abandon what has worked for them for years. I went for an interview at a company and they were just testing VISTA when Win7 was out for their products on desktops.
>>54208245
Just another tax write off.
>>54206241
>With Windows Server 2016, due later this year, customers will have to purchase licenses based on the number of activated processor cores in each server.
>[desperation intensifies]
Holy shit! How can a company fuck everything up this fast?
>>54208267
Designated.
>>54208267
Re-read the thread m8.
>>54208356
Kys m8
>>54208303
You realize that you don't make money by having a "tax write-off", right? It cuts the real cost of a business expense by a small percentage. It's not a magic scam to turn expenses into money.
>>54208356
sorry kid, that turnkey link is not a solution. you are a fucking tool
>>54208356
These are fucking you, if it wasn't obvious to you alraedy.
There is no 'real' alternative to Exchange, in reality the smart people are moving towards hosted email (gmail?) - fuck paying MS and having to maintain the install+security+spam+virus and so forth.
This was a common practice among UNIX vendors in the 90's. They charged customers by the number of processors, user accounts, etc. Part of the reason why Windows NT was such a success was that it had no restrictions whatsoever. Looks like Microsoft is unwilling to learn from the UNIX world's mistakes.
>>54206886
>>54207114
You guys have stock in linux or something?
You sure are personally invested in which server OS is more popular.
>>54208418
This. The company I work for uses gmail for business. For a small monthly fee we have a web-based suite of roughly the same basic featuresa as Microsoft Exchange + Microsoft Office combined. And we don't have to deal with Office's ass way of handling multiple users working on the same file. What Microsoft makes seem extremely complex and fragile, somehow Google Drive pulls it off effortlessly. It's just that if you need macros, you're fucked. Also, web interfaces are not practical for numerous reasons, but the savings are immense.
>>54208390
no it makes you money bruh, that's why corporations will run companies at a loss, because that loss is less expensive than what would be paid in taxes if the company were doing well and the corporation didn't have the write off to balance the books overall, and money that stays in your pocket is money earned
>>54208475
>money that stays in your pocket is money earned
If the company is runnjing losses, then what money are we talking about? When your company loses money, it doesn't get any money from anywhere. When your company makes money, only some of it is taxed, not all of it. It is always more beneficial for a company to make money.
>>54208454
Not either of those two, but Linux is already more popular. If Microsoft goes through with this they'll heighten Windows' TCO and make it appear even less attractive of a solution. Microsoft is already lagging behind Linux when it comes to technology like containers, and charging more on a product whose use is dependent on reliance on legacy or deprecating software/protocols like Exchange is a bad move.
>>54208147
I did, a bunch of people who don't know how networked computers work with a server called Microsoft jews and sysadmins indians and proclaimed I can just install linux like flipping a switch and nothing bad would happen.
>>54208605
>technology like containers
literally a meme
>>54208562
companies are subsidiaries of corporations, they make a profit overall, but operate a company at a loss to lower their tax liability because the money they lose on the company is less than what they what they save in having to pay taxes
I'm not talking about a single ma and pop buisness but multinational corporations
>>54207551
Nothing is stopping them, which is why they're switching in droves. The server market is Linux-dominated. The only market where Windows is still popular is the desktop.
I can't wait to see how the fanboys that didn't renounce Windows after 7 defend this.
>>54208645
I suppose you also think virtualization is a meme? Attitudes like this are why Windows is stagnating. I wish you luck on getting a whole new set of certifications as Windows Server continues its decline.
>>54208474
>I work for a company that uses gmail
>>54208698
i'm a tier 1 helpdesk support analyst i know my shit nerd
>>54208454
I have stock in the truth.
>>54208474
>Also, web interfaces are not practical for numerous reasons
Please elaborate.
>>54208741
Haha, your entire job description doesn't make you any less of a tech support slave. Maybe some day you can play ball with the big kids and start doing actual engineering work, but seeing as you're a Microserf, that doesn't appear plausible. After all, all most of you are told to do it use and have no experience with creating.
>>54208698
containers are rarely utilized for what they are intended for.
there are reasons why videos like this exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivpCKEiQOQ
>>54208819
jokes on you i work for oracle
>>54208627
>I can just install linux like flipping a switch
You should avoid changing a working system, but that goes for all OSes. Keeping Windows Server 2012 rather than upgrading to Linux may be justified. However, installing Windows Server on a new machine or upgrading to Windows Server 2016 is retarded.
>>54208562
>It is always more beneficial for a company to make money.
You get taxed based on percentage of what you make - write offs reduce that percentage - which is why people with more dependants (kids) pay less then those without.
Making more means government takes more - see: tax brackets. I've been in situations where I gross more than previous years, but the net amount is the same as previous years. This is because government will just take more money. You can offset this by writing off more and more business costs.
>>54208882
yeah, it doesn't make any sense but that's the gubment for ya, they don't understand the apathy that is induced by finding out that moving up the next and for many only/last rung of success is of absolutely no gain to them, who wants more stress/responsibility/harder work, just so they can give the government more money and keep what they've always kept
>>54209026
I mean it's why so many people working part time pass up the opportunity to go full time, they've been there before and know it won't put any extra money in their wallet but they'll be working more hours/doing harder work, what's the point?
>>54209026
>yeah, it doesn't make any sense
It makes perfect sense from the government perspective.
There's an old saying "the rich don't pay taxes" - your best bet is to find as many write offs and loopholes to offset what the government stands to make off your taxes.
>>54209074
but as a poor or middleclass citizen finding and exploiting those loopholes make you far more likely to be audited than a rich man doing the same thing
ITT /g/ can't distinguish between "servers" and "webservers".
>>54208867
>However, installing Windows Server on a new machine or upgrading to Windows Server 2016 is retarded.
You do realize that there are professional applications that only run on a windows server operating system, right?
>>54209206
Such as?
>>54207172
>AMD
>Server
Pick one
>>54208819
Because 'creating' shit on github has anything to do with running an actual office.
>>54208139
Why do you think Linux would cause any downtime?
>>54212669
Regularly scheduled xorg crashes.
>>54212923
If your server runs xorg...
