RPN master race checking in. All non-RPN inferior races to the gas chamber.
>TFW no RPN
>>54203855
i fell for the RPN meme, and I'm slowly trying to get used to this thing, it's just so different from what i'm used to.
do you generally do exponents on one line like 16 2 ^
or do you press16 enter 2 enter ^
RPN MASTER RACE
>>54203855
16 enter 2 ^
this RPN shit is strangely satisfying
>tfw collapsing the whole stack together to get your final answer
>>54207374
>>54207545
I can't tell if it's sarcasm or not.
Yay RPN!
Just scored an HP-21 at the thrift store for $10.
>>54207606
It's not
>>54207669
It doesn't look like.
>>54207617
What's the condition?
>>54203855
I've got an HP-21 and a HP-65, are they worth anything? No PSUs or working batteries.
bummmp
>>54203855
>tfw all new RPN calculators are shit and old ones cost a fortune
Why are the 50g and 35s the same price?
Give it up HPKEKS, TI is better! You've lost!
I right you guess are. NPR superior vastly normal to is. /g/ all of smartest the is.
>>54209192
These things seem to be about as expensive as the original HPs go for.
>>54209714
They are, but I thought by "cost a forturne" you were referring to the old ones that go for $300-$400 on ebay.
>>54209804
No I really just want a 12C for the price of a 15C desu.
>>54209865
Wait, I'm getting the models confused. The 12C is the cheap one... I just want the scientific version without a huge premium price.
>>54209890
Look at the 35s. It's a remake of the 35 and costs around the same as the 50g.
Other than that I think the cheapest you will are the SwissMicros clones.
>Falling for the graphing calculator meme
Only dumbass teenagers will argue over fucking calculators.
Literally no one uses calculators besides students. Actual professionals use computers to do their models
Fighting over this shit is literally two retards trying to scream they are the better good goy because they have the extra special meme that they paid $100 for to use in Mr. Goldsteins feminist fundamentals of differential equations
>>54210105
This is a tech board, idiot.
Fuck off.
>>54207701
Almost new in box. Battery pack's been re-done with newer ni-cads, but they're BTFO by now.
Works great though, includes the box, literature, case, etc.
>>54207761
The HP-65 is worth more than $150 or so, the 21 is worth maybe $30-50.
I would advise you to keep them or offer them to the collectors at the hpmuseum.org forum members for the best price.
>>54210105
Many professionals in many fields use calculators anon.
>>54211710
fucking hell....maybe I should visit a thrift store
>>54203855
why is better than postfix notation?
What can these do that my Android phone with a proper app can't?
>>54212760
Less keystrokes for the same answer. Try it out
>>54212895
is it just that? it's not like i'm doing calculations all day long, it will not save me much time.
>>54212982
I'm not either, didn't stop me from switching. It's nice to not have to keep numbers aside mid problem too
>>54212982
Nobody does calculations all day long...this is not a reason to not try it out....
>>54212826
nothing, but people will get mad at you if you pull your phone out in the middle of an exam, that's the only reason keeping the market for this things alive.
>>54213101
I know nobody does it. I asked for a reason to use it and I was pointing out that the number of keystrokes you are gonna press is make no sense.
>>54212629
Manual has a bit of spotting but otherwise the whole shebang is in great shape.
>>54212982
It helps you play with numbers more easily. Using previous results and re-doing and un-doing calculations is easy thanks to LASTx / UNDO.
>>54212760
it's designed for people solving equations and not pasting their homework problems
it casts the burden of order of operations from the calculator to the user, but the user shouldn't mind, because he actually knows what he's doing.
Some might say that RPN is a holdback from the days when all calculators could only display 1 line of numbers, but it's honestly more fun and more satisfying to use a calculator this way.
>>54209085
The 35s is one of the few calcs usable for some engineering exams, so it's basically like TI in that it's school-approved.
The 50g is harder to use, but way more capable, than the TI calcs, and HP is pushing a new meme calculator called the Prime that barely has functional RPN (doesn't integrate well, etc).
>>54212895
the difference is negligible
>converting A2F6 from hex to decimal10x16^3 + 2x16^2 + 15x16^1 + 6x16^0
algebraic(10 * 16 ^ 3) + ...~40 keystrokes
rpn10 enter 16 enter 3 ^ *...~36 keystrokes
RPN and RPN programming are basically just assembly language. You put crap in registers and then do an operation. It was much easier in those days to have RPN as your operating method because that's how the simple processors of the day worked.
To have algebraic logic you need some code to figure out operator precedence and so on, for a long time many of even the most advanced algebraic calcs including the TI-58C could only handle three or four nested levels of parenthesis, making the use of pen and paper or scratch register operations necessary for calculations.
The fact that it's also faster and handier, especially for long chain calculations or calculations using a certain number (which you can put in t and pull down an infinite number of) is just a happy accident.
The HP 9100a and 9100b, HP's first calculators (really computers), were all transistor to transistor logic, no IC's whatsoever. RPN was the way to go, the extra logic needed for algebraic use would have filled another chassis at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ki1Inux1_wU
Is RPN the new contrarian /g/ meme?
>>54203855
Can you tell me which HP calculators are better than the TI 89, while still having the easy-to-figure-out formatting of the 89?
I don't have a problem relearning, but I also don't want to have to dig into 400 pages of instructions just to figure out how to do what the TI-89 already does easily.
>>54214356
That's like trying to go from using an automatic car to a space shuttle without wanting to use a pesky manual.
RPN isn't for everybody, it's just better.
>>54214556
To be fair, an automatic car is almost infinitesimally more useful and practical than a space shuttle for 99.9999% of the human population.
>always see HPtards shitting up calculator discussions with how RPN is the best
>never care to figure out what the fuck they're shitting themselves about
>watch >>54207374
>realize it's just Reverse Polish Notation
This is seriously what you retards can't stop fucking clamouring for? Fucking stack based calculations? Jesus christ and here I was thinking that it was some sort of proprietary CAS or something, it's fucking nothing.
>>54214356
Revealing age but I used an HP48g through college (CS) the the TI89 series came out my junior year if I remember correctly. It is a nice calculator to be sure. If memory serves (and a little of my opinion here) it was the first TI series that had an equation writer/solver that was on par with the 48g. At the time, I think a lot of my friends took to it because it was what they used in high school. The 48g instructions were fairly easy to read...easier than those early edition Deitel Java texts.
>>54214747
Thanks for the answer. I have never used an HP calculator in my life (never even seen one with my own eyes). I was just genuinely curious as to why HP is held in such high regard here. If TI's best is pretty much on par with a retired HP model, I can see why people hold HP in such high regards.
Thanks!
>>54203855
I use a regular scientific calculator for quick shit and mathematica when I want something more serious. I certainly don't have the time to be fucking around with that you you call a calculator.
>>54214747
>tfw i'm still gonna be browsing 4chins when i'm 45
fuuuuck
>hay anon can i borrow your calculator real quick?
>10 seconds later
>umm, nevermind i think it's broken
>"SQ error: too few arguments"
such is life on RPN
>>54215547
>tfw they still manage to purge all of your fucking programs
if RPN is so great, how come HP is trying to kill it?
checkmate, atheists
>>54207374
just use orpie on linux for a decent RPN
>>54217248
because they're trying to copy TI because they want money
>>54214707
You're calling us retards when you're the moron who couldn't even figure out what the fuck RPN meant?
>>54203855
ti-82
>>54203855
>48g
>not 48g+ or 48gx
>>54221205
The 48g is just for nostalgia, the 50g blows it away in every way.
>>54221529
>every way
fucking lol, no
The buttons on the 48 beat the buttons on the 50 any day
>>54214707
>where do you think you are.png
During the last years, /g/ was slowly going down the shitter, now it's too far gone.
>>54218125
Don't you have some books in braille to read? or some telegrams to send?
>>54221529
>blows it away in every way
>75MHz ARM processor
>use it to run a legacy saturn emulator instead of running natively
>randomly see processor hang because of emulation overhead
>>54221962
>ti89
>Motorola 68000
>using a real processor from 1979
>>54223194
at least TIs don't waste processor cycles thrashing the RAM because the CPU is 32-bit emulating a 64-bit architecture.and copying 64-bit values to ram because it can't catch up.
>>54223783
Saturn is nibble based
check your wordwidth privilege faggot
TI is for science students, HPs are for professional engineers. I own both by the way. TI 89, Nspire cx cas, HP 48g, 50g, and Prime. I also use Matlab, as Mathematica is a meme.
>>54221567
>The buttons on the 48 beat the buttons on the 50 any day
Not once those heat stakes start to give out and the foam gives way.
50g is just built better. I agree that it'd be nice to have the big ENTER key but the pluses of the 50g outweigh the downside of the misplaced ENTER.
>>54221962
It's between three and thousands of times faster than the HP-48 series depending on what you're doing.
I've never seen my 50g hang because of emulation, do you have the latest ROM?
Why would anyone in the real world ever need a meme notation calculator?
Why not just get a programmable calculator and make a RPN program for it?
>>54226639
because most calculators aren't programmable desu fampai
>>54226639
You don't understand anon.
RPN makes it easy to play with figures and calculations, substitute values, UNDO calculations, etc.
You never see HP users using a pencil and scratch paper with their calculators, but it's a frequent sight among TI and Casio users.
>>54218007
Thank for the information, I will try it very soon. But I love my calculator.
>>54218007
Still me, and I see it's in OCaml, that's fun because my RPN is in OCaml too.
>>54221962
>75MHz ARM processor
Actually it's a 240 MHz processor, underclocked to save batteries, but you can control the speed with SYSEVAL.
>>54226596
>Not once those heat stakes start to give out and the foam gives way.
That doesn't happen....
I used one that was used pretty much constantly since '93 and it still felt perfectly fine, much better than my 50g.
HP 48 series programming:
>RPL
>System RPL
>Saturn assembly
>ARM assembly
>HPGCC
>NewRPL (it's new and faster than fuck)
>Hrast BASIC (it's new and faster than fuck)
TI and Casio:
>"Brogramming"
The choice is clear anons.
>>54226944
I love RPL. You can shit on Casio if you want. But don't say bad things about TI please.
>>54226818
Mine creaks when you push the keys.
And it happens to a lot of people, failures due to the heat stake construction and the fact that foam and shit wears out are what take most HP-48s out of service.
If yours is in good shape you're doing great but many are going to fail and require somewhat minor surgery which will mar the case.
>>54226970
>But don't say bad things about TI please.
What the company that does everything in its power to stop you from programming the machine except in their shitty meme language?
TI sucks for programming, consider yourselves lucky that you can still even program them at all. Once they come up with an improved secure boot system the whole TI programming community will be using out of production machines.
They fell so hard for the education meme that they forgot there were other users.
>>54227065
I'm sorry. HP did the same thing by not releasing documentation. There is no difference between "secure boot" or "undocumented" in my eyes. It's the same thing.
>>54227120
>There is no difference between "secure boot" or "undocumented" in my eyes. It's the same thing.
NewRPL is working great on the 50g hardware anon, it's a whole new OS. The system was apparently easy to figure out, it's a fairly common embedded platform.
IR even works though nothing's really implemented with it yet on NewRPL AFAIK, though maybe they have printing and file transfers working now, it's been a few months since I played with it.
There is a huge difference, though. HP is not taking active measures to stop anybody from doing anything they like with the hardware platform. HP cooperated with the WP-34s project people and even gave out free programming cables and stuff to the team. TI has teams of engineers trying to come up with newer and better ways to prevent you from running anything but their TI brogramming shit-tier 'language' on their machine.
>>54227378
>HP is not taking active measures to stop anybody from doing anything they like with the hardware platform.
They did by not documenting the hardware. I said it, there is no difference in my eyes.
>>54205842
You can do it whichever way you feel works best but most people use enter. Programmatically they are equivalent, the machine will execute the same instructions.
>>54205955
The 48GX is comfier for use with the 82240B printer, you can hit that thing from halfway across the room!
The HP-50g has much weaker IR, people have found a very high-value resistor in the circuit and replaced it with a lower-value one with success though.
>>54227564
>The HP-50g has much weaker IR
Yes but it's so much faster. And mine is brand new. [spoiler]And I prefer the HP50G enter key placement.[/spoiler]
>>54215070
You can do 3D graphing and you have a full CAS on the HP-50g. In fact, before Mathematica
It's handier for many use cases, you don't necessarily want to lug a laptop everywhere just to play with Mathematica.
In fact before Mathematica even existed you had the HP-28c/s which had a CAS as well as graphing capability.
>>54227431
>there is no difference in my eyes
You can refuse to see the difference but it still exists anon.
>>54227584
I also prefer the 50g except for the ENTER key placement.
>>54227669
>it still exists anon
If you want.
>>54214707
>some sort of proprietary CAS or something
Hey look, a nice mature and fully featured CAS which rivals desktop computer applications!
>>54227775
>\int_0^z d z
triggered
>>54227775
Nice invalid equation nerd, a real calculator would let you know you fucked up
Typical HPtards
>>54227120
>not doing everything in your power to aid means you're doing everything in your power to harm
That's not how that works.
>>54227954
Equation hasn't been sent to the stack yet so it hasn't been parsed smarty pants.
>>54228106
Classic HPtard, it's always "stack this" and "stack that" with you're kind
Next time you're professor tells you to put you're toys away and take out a calculator, try not to cry
>>54228138
>you're
Oh look how the mighty have fallen.
>>54228161
>taking the bait
Hook line and sinker, classic HPtard can't keep themselves from trying to look smart on the internet
Why are you people so autistic about calculators.
Do you see productive people dick waving over their tools?
>>54228504
>Do you see productive people dick waving over their tools?
Yes there's a whole National Park devoted to it anon.
The case that came with my HP is too big, what do you guys use?
>>54225153
this
>>54226722
>you never see HP users
fixed that for you
Rate my RPN calculator!> 2.01
4: -35.9052
3: 1.72
2: 1.71
1: 2.01
> *
3: -35.9052
2: 1.72
1: 3.4371
> -
2: -35.9052
1: -1.7171
> /
1: 20.9104
>
what stack commands should I support?
I only ever use drop and dup
>>54228532
Hate my hometown, what an annoying thing to put next to my Uni
lmao people buy these pieces of shit to feel like they're nonconformists?
>>54233727
>he doesn't know the joys of RPN
get out
>>54233727
Nope, because they're better.
>>54233109
All of 'em, see Forth.
Assuming an infinite depth stack anyway.
Nice choice on FIX 4, 4 display digit master race.
>>54228998
I use an even bigger case anon.
>>54234127
nice purse
