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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
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If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
New guides by xsauc:
http://www.dankpads.com
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/DujvzEzU
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
ThinkPad wallpaper collection:
https://imgur.com/a/NlepZ
http://forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?f=69&t=120776#p779664
Someone has been able to modify the embedded controller of the X230 to properly accept the X220 keyboard and get all of the keys working.
Is it worth getting a T420 with a 240GB SSD,the 1600x900 resolution , a NVIDIA N12P-NS1 and a new 9 cell battery for 250 eurobucks?
Rate my X220.
Babby's first screwdriver faggots can fuck off.
(repostan from old thread)
I recently got a T420 and put some loonix on it. However, suspend/hibernate doesn't work. When i trigger it, it goes into a pseudo-suspended state when the screen is off, the power button is rapidly flashing and the battery keeps going down; also it can't be resumed from, only turned off. A plenty seems to have been written about making suspend work on thinkpads, but I can't seem to find the right solution. Anybody got any ideas?
>>54200313
suspend and resume work perfectly on openbsd
>>54200313
>I recently got a T420 and put some loonix on it.
So you put some random distro that broke suspend on it. Well done.
Here's a protip: Every idiot and his wife's son makes their own 'bespoke' (read: fucked up) Linux distribution these days. It's practically a right of passage amongst the skiddies who want to prove how badass they are when they don't actually know shit.
protip2: Thinkpad T series are standard corporate issue at RedHat. Is you want a distro guaranteed to work properly on a ThinkPad, I'll let you work out where this is going.
>>54200428
No, you rely on the BIOS and ACPI firmware tables to be correct. If they're correct, then your suspend/resume works. Guess what every manufacturer out there routinely fucks up.
Ding ding ding! You may be a winner!
>>54200428
OpenBSD sadly isn't very flexible as a general purpose OS
>>54200434
I've got Manjaro running on it. This is the first laptop where I've experienced this issue with it. I don't want a RHEL distro.
>>54200457
just werks for me
Anyone familiar with the helix? I'm planning on buying the second generation later today and I was wondering if anyone had input.
how much should i pay for a T420 with i5-2520M 8gb ram, and a 120gb ssd?
>>54200863
Europe or US ?
>>54201030
europoor
New to /tpg/ here. Thinking about buying an X260. Can I use an external PCI-E card while using it in a dock?
Also I don't want to buy used/preowned. I have the money to get a current model and then I hopefully can upgrade it in the future.
Since this anon mentioned the x260 >>54201341
I've noticed people barely ever talk about this model in these threads. Or any current models for that matter. Why is that?
Also, lol at you anons buying preowned laptops. Unless you're buying from company wholesalers, you just know someone's jizzed on that shit at least once during a porn session.
>>54201654
>someone's jizzed on that
so what? spillproof keyboard ftw
>>54199544
Yes, buy it senpai.
I've been looking everywhere for a 1600x900 T420 but all I found was the low-res shit.
>>54201038
250-270 if 900p
What is the best laptop for a college student on the lenovo website with the discount in the 600-80p dollar range? Or should I just buy a maxed out t420 or x220 on amazon or something for 400 dollars.
>>54202331
Get a T420 or T520 if a 15 inch turns you on, deck it out with an SSD or two, and save money.
>>54201654
>Why is that?
New Thinkpads are terribly overpriced, and nobody wants to support Lelnovo as they butcher one of the few respectable laptop brands.
>>54202364
So the only difference is the 15 inch screen and a quad core i7? Woulsnt that be better than the 420?
>>54202427
Yes, it can have a quad core and 1080p display.
>>54202427
portability still matters to some people. you can also put quad cores in the t420, cpus are socketed in those
>>54200313
Just admit it, it's Arch.
Go install a real distro.
>>54199544
Yes, the 1600x900 and ssd would have already cost over half that ammount.
Here's my new "I'm retarded" hole.
>>54202662
Also, new thermal paste helped, idle temps now between 38 and 45 degrees
>>54202662
It's not as bad as I thought it would be desu
>>54202662
The motherboard's gotta breathe!
>>54202678
I was gonna say pic of a screen but that T42 is so smexy.
>>54202662
I never understood how people do this. Do y'all not map out your screws? Sorry man not giving you shit, just curious.
What are some good Thinkpads with a 1080p display?
>>54202510
I'm growing impatient with this real distro bullshit. Other distros will do the same, because from the looks of it either this is a kernel flaw, a systemd flaw, or a Xorg flaw - stuff that you'll be dealing with on any distro. So what does this have to do with the distro?
>>54202733
T520
>>54202378
>Overpriced
They're standard for what laptops sell for these days? If anything these current models have the best value in the market because of their durability, hardware, battery life etc. as opposed to other brands.
>Nobody wants to support lenovo as they butcher
>butcher
Latest models get fantastic reviews m8 and are considered more reliable then other competing brands. Don't tell me most of your opinion comes from the fact that the key boards trigger your OCD.
>>54202718
it was 11:30pm and i had been awake since 5am that day, i was pissed as hell for other reasons, and i just wanted to get shit done
i forgot where the screws went and put a size 4 screw into a size 2 hole
luckily, it didnt go through anything else, just a big empty space and then through the palmrest, ill fill it in with some epoxy at a later date
>>54202752
>remove function keys to replace them with FUCKING MEDIA KEYS
>>54200525
>I don't want a RHEL distro.
There's also CentOS and Fedora. RedHat is not only RHEL.
>>54202787
i thought that was only on the netbook/chromebook models
>>54202787
>Removal of caps lock and status LEDs
We could go on forever, Anon, these new laptops are consumer shit.
>>54202733
T520/W520
I've personally never been able to find a T520 with a stock 1080p screen though, so you might have to do the screen swap yourself.
>>54202800
T440 anon
>>54202718
I miss the days when IBM put a schematic diagram on the bottom of every ThinkPad illustrating each screw length used at 1:1 scale, and marked each hole with the appropriate screw on the chart.
>>54198990
Any EE/CE students out there using Linux as a primary OS? I want to buy the t460 but I'm too paranoid about Windows 10. anould I use a vm with Windows 7 to use all the programs I need like matlab and circuit cad and all my other shit?
>>54202797
That's what I meant.
W70xds masterrace
>>54202894
>Core 2 Extreme and Arranale DS Thinkpads
Nice. preserve those babies.
>>54202510
>>54202734
For the record, I've just tried running live Ubuntu and Calculate Linux and the same issue persists on both. So what now?
>>54202811
You guys just seem whiny.
>>54202934
You just seem like a pleb. It's okay, enjoy your black Macbook.
>>54202969
Because a few keyboard changes or LED lights completely render it's functionality useless right? You fucking moron.
>>54202984
We wouldn't have a problem with lenovo making consumer tier laptops if they charged consumer tier prices, but think pads are still very very expensive.
>>54202998
You obviously haven't seen consumer tier prices then. Standard laptop with good hardware starts at $2000 here in Australia.
>>54202624
Okay, I ordered it.
Will post pics when it arrives.Really hyped as this will be my first Thinkpad after the old IBM ones
>>54203015
>Standard laptop with good hardware starts at $2000 here in Australia.
That is even more reason to want a good design out of your business class machine.
Paid £100 for a T420, did I do good?
4GB, 1366 x 768, no fingerprint scanner, and 128GB SSD.
I feel like I ripped him off tbqh.
>>54201654
X260 will be interesting in 3 years when you can pick up one in a decent condition for $300.
Refurbished ThinkPads are in a quality/price sweet spot where many frugally minded people end up choosing them. If you value your money there is no sense in buying a new laptop over a refurbished one.
>>54203046
But it is a good design, and offers much more than consumer laptops for the same price.
>>54202378
>New Thinkpads are terribly overpriced
Even more so back when IBM made them.
>>54203155
>1366x768
but SSD and T420 for 100 pounds pretty good
>>54202932
>live
>hibernate
>>54203303
No.
>>54203349
There's no reason why suspend shouldn't work.
Haven't tried hibernate because it did the same shit anyway
Another oddity is that when I set xfce4-power-manager to "Ask" on power button press, nothing happens on pressing it
>>54203346
I did a drunk newegg buy last night
240GB SSD for 50 dolla.Now I guess I need an HD hub. Any suggestions on one for a T420?
>>54203376
Nice counter argument dickhead. I'll remember next time that what makes a quality business laptop are a few missing keys.
>>54203329
Besides everything being more expensive back then, Thinkpads were also much better in those days. I won't pretend IBM is flawless and could do no wrong, but Thinkpads are legendary for a reason, and Lenovo has very little to do with it.
>>54203171
Some would rather buy their's brand new and just refurbish it over the years. When i get my X260, i'm in it for the long run.
>>54203461
Well no shit, pay more = quality is better
>>54203441
No.
Is there any way to monitor the temp of a pentium m?
Ive tried a few different programs but none are able to view its temperature, does it have the ability at the CPU level to be monitored?
My motherboard idles at around 40c, but ive seen other speccy shots of a mobo at 40c and the processor at 15.
Is there any kind of comparison i could make with temperatures?
>>54203346
Is it worth it to replace the screen?
I'm glad I fell for the Thinkpad meme, it's one of the few things I fell for with no buyer's regret.
>>54203582
Yeah, try the Alienware 14 1600x900 panel as it's a drop in replacement.
>>54202894
Quick, someone go grab the peanut butter and bread; I'm jelly enough to make sandwiches to feed this whole thread.
Seriously though, that is lovely.
>>54202811
>muh leds
>>54202894
>not just one of them but both
Fuck you, I'm so jelly right now
>>54202894
okay but for real where do i get a clip on aftermarket lcd
>>54204027
0/10 bait
I have ubuntu running on t420 with the Intel mobile 3000 graphics chip. tf2 lags up pretty bad and it's the only game I really enjoy playing. Is there any thing I could do OS side to bring down the fps lag?
>>54204069
kill yourself, nigger
>>54204078
>>>/global/rules/6
>The quality of posts is extremely important to this community. Contributors are encouraged to provide high-quality images and informative comments.
>>54204104
why haven't you killed yourself yet?
>>54204071
Gaming on linux has a performance penalty in general
>>54204071
gaming is for children
Has anyone ever used itrenewdirect?
I googled x200 and they were in the ads sidebar, never heard of them before but they seem to be cheaper than newegg and offer upgrade options.
>>54205662
Actually, some games run better on Linux than they do on Windows.
>>54207082
For example? (no hate tho)
>>54207082
>He thinks people play cuxracer
>>54207094
not that anon but hotline miami runs like a dream
I'm thinking of picking up a T420 i7-2640M 8GB with a 128GB SSD for $330 burger bucks? Good deal? I don't think I can get it any cheaper in Canada
>>54207349
1600x900?
>>54207349
If it has a Quadro or a 900p LED, then get it, probably in nice condition too for $330.
Is there anything else you guys would laugh at at my T540p except the "touchpad" ?
It only has i3-4000M, iGPU, only an HDD, but it's 7200rpm, FHD screen too. I paid 390 euros for it, which seemed like a very good deal, the only drawback for me is that the keyboard is some kind of germanic layout, I think it's from Denmark, all the letters are right, but the number row and the [];'./' etc are messed up, also no backlight
>>54207363
>>54207480
Nah, sadly it doesn't have the 900p. A new screen probably costs like $50 though right?
>>54203626
I want to do this also. What's the difference between a matt and glossy screen? These are the available options.
Obviously I know the difference between matte and glossy. I haven't had experience using a glossy screen though. Should I stick with what's familiar to me?
>>54207599
Screens for T420s aren't expensive, and that laptop is really well specced out from the seller, wouldn't even have to mess with it once you've bought it.
>>54207627
I don't understand why laptops are even made with glossy screens, a laptop is portable so if you take it anywhere where there isn't perfect lighting conditions, you're fucked. At least that's what I understand from reading about them, don't think I've ever had a glossy screen, maybe CRT could be classified as glossy, since it's just a fucking glass window
>>54207627
Glossy = only use inside/reflections like crazy
Matte = usable outside, doesnt reflect shit at you, looks cleaner
>>54207742
>implying that you regularly leave the house
>>54207758
I did before i moved to the middle of fuckall. Go to the park and use the unsecured wifi to shitpost.
>>54207694
A friend has a macbook for audio engineering. It's glossy screen is a fingerprint magnet (not an issue for me because of the bezels) and I do notice reflections from light sources. So I suppose I'm going for the matte since I really cannot see any benefit in the alternative.
>>54207541
You can easily buy whatever keyboard you'd like for it.
>>54207812
The ability to buy is easy, yes, but I don't know if the benefit or normal keyboard outweighs the cost, at least yet, since I only recently got it, maybe after a while I'll get one, an SSD too, shame it's only the "half-size" m.2, would be dank to fit the full sized one
Do some of your fans in your T420's kinda of sound like a mechanical hard disk reading? I know its not the hard drive because I have an SSD in here. I also just got it and it does it whenever the CPU overheats.
At what point do you think my T42 will finally be "un-usable" for everyday use?
As far as the components go, i doubt anything will die for a long ass time, and ive got backup parts for everything from the screen, mobo, ram, even brand new unopened pentium m 755.
Next thing to fail might be the HDD but its an old apple ata one, so i doubt it will die soon.
It still works great for web browsing, some older games, some CAD stuff.
But i fear it might be like my R30 within a few years, my R30 cant connect to my router by ethernet, it has a 3.8gb hard drive and i have individual files larger than that, its effectively useless for anything other than nostalgic Microsoft office work. And even then, it has trouble connecting to USB sticks to move things around.
When do you think the oldschool IBM era thinkpads will be rendered obsolete, /tpg/?
>>54207841
Actually just read that it might be the CPU speedstepping. Anyone else run into this? It's sorta of a whiny mechanical sound .
>>54208021
anything older than the t61 is unusable in my opinion
>>54207841
The fan in my X220 sounds like a high performance quadracopter whenever I move it quickly. I'm going to replace it soon, as it's cheap to do.
Still waiting for my motherfucking x250. :(
The buyer's guide says to avoid the E/edge series, but what about the most recent (E4/560)? I've heard people say they're pretty durable/well built.
>>54202662
Happened to me 3 times.
>>54202841
I'm sure you could downgrade to Windows 7 still if you are gonna buy new.
I would just dual boot.
>>54202894
Very nice anon! I do wish the W700ds had 4 RAM slots instead of 2.
Anywho, enjoy them! They are comfy machines, minus the keyboard flex and poor viewing angles ont he second screen.
>>54203155
You did gud. (:
>>54202378
>overpriced
Thats the standard price of a business laptop, not a consumer POS.
The price of laptops went down, big time.
The P70 isn't as expensive as the PowerPC 800 series when it was released.
>>54203554
What computer and OS?
I've used HWinfo, maybe try HWmonitor?
Thinking of getting a P50 with the following configuration. I do small-time GIS consulting for fire hotshot crews. Use ArcGIS and AutoCAD quite a bit, mostly with high-res raster data. Mobility is a huge plus, so the P70 is a distant second on my options list.
Anyone have any better recommendations?
Processor: Intel Xeon E3-1505M v5 Processor (8MB Cache, up to 3.70GHz)
Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64
Operating System Language: Windows 10 Home 64 English
Display: 15.6 FHD(1920x1080) IPS Non-Touch
Memory: 16GB DDR4-2133MHz ECC SODIMM
Graphic Card: NVIDIA Quadro M2000M 4GB
Base: P50 NVIDIA Quadro M2000M 4GB,Intel Xeon E3-1505M v5 Processor (8MB Cache, up to 3.7 GHz)
Camera: 720p HD Camera with Microphone
Keyboard: Keyboard with Number Pad - English
Security Features: Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Security Chip: Software TPM Enabled
First Solid State Drive / Second Hard Disk Drive: 512GB SSD PCIe-NVMe
Total Hard Drive Capacity: 512GB
Power Cord: 170W AC Adapter - US(2pin)
Battery: 6 Cell Li-Polymer Battery 90Wh
Wireless: Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC(2x2) 8260, Bluetooth Version 4.1 vPro
Display Panel: 15.6" FHD(1920x1080),no Touch,2D Camera,with Mic,no Color Sensor,with WLAN and WWAN antenna
Language Pack: Publication - English
Warranty: 1 Year Depot or Carry-in
>>54202841
I wouldn't recommend running Linux on a new ThinkPad because the support is still a work in progress.
The best you can do is to choose the Windows 7 Pro option when configuring the system(NEVER 10 Home because Home editions do NOT have downgrade rights)
>>54208519
>choosing 10 Home to do serious work.
Choose 10 or 7 Pro. You can defer updates on those versions.
My X220's middle mouse button snapped off, and it looks like it can't be put back on, some of the plastic is broken now
I have a spare keyboard, but is it even possible to remove and replace the mouse buttons? I'd rather not have to replace the whole keyboard
what's the verdict on thinkpad edge E431?
i've heard that the edge series for thinkpad has been controversial.
>>54208807
>Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
>>54208519
only 16 gigs of ram?
>>54208841
I bought it 1 year back senpai. I weep for myself and for all those poor people who bought this thing. I figured it was cheap and it's a thinkpad which seemed a win win. But life finds a way to fuck you over whenever you think you're going for a free(or cheap) lunch.
fuck the edge series.
>>54208558
Can't you put a new OS on it anyway like any other PC?
>>54208021
what's your T42's specs and what os are you running on it?
>>54208841
>>54208953
Well guess that answers that >>54208393
>>54208953
This. So much. And even so, these shitty ThinkPads last a lot longer than most other consumer laptops.
This is my x121e from 2011. It's still working but it overheats quite a bit. My mom uses it now to do their taxes and shit.
>>54202752
>fantastic reviews
reviews from retards are meaningless; you can't take them seriously when they spew shit like "the same legendary keyboard" and "the nipple thingy"
>more reliable then other competing brands
just because the rest make even shittier products doesn't mean the thinkpad quality is not in free fall
>>54208620
Nevermind, overcame laziness and just took the keyboard out.
Turns out the mousepad is in the way, but without a mousepad below the clit's mouse buttons, you can just push the mouse keys in.
While I'm popping by, is there anything aside from this list I can do to further pimp my X220:
>Spare SSD over HDD
>Later just buy an mSATA and use large HDD for maximum storage space while retaining speeds
>TN panel replaced with IPS one
>extra 4GB ram stick for a total of 8GB (I have never used more than 7GB in my life, usually hovers around 3-5GB, don't need 16GB at all)
>bought new keyboard for it as the old one it came with wasn't as good
>factory sealed 9 Cell battery over the 6 cell. Even as good as the longer battery life is, the handle is fucking indispensable now, one hand on the battery one hand on the clitmouse / 1 handed typing. Walking around the house / standing in a train / moving around with it
>factory sealed slice battery for longer life, mostly for long journeys
>couple of weeks ago got one of those taiwanese expressport adaptors for an eGPU setup. I'll have more free time in a couple of weeks to get it up and running, fixed all the issues but one last time I played with it
I'm thinking a docking station and some screens would be nice to replace my desktop (if I get the eGPU running right), or maybe look into that carbon fibre paper stuff, or some stickers. Don't really need a USB 3.0 expressport.
Maybe if there was a way to make these speakers not trash.
>>54209083
>thinkpad quality
what the fuck is thinkpad quality to begin with
>>54208967
If you don't care about pirating, yes.
>>54209083
Haven't seen any reviews so far that have used those terms, so i have no idea what you're even referring to, but i believe those reviews to be more reliable than a couple of randoms from a chinese knitting board. You haven't even mentioned why or how the quality is getting worst.
>>54202378
>New Thinkpads are terribly overpriced
it's because of retards like you we get the current shit; thinkpads used to be good when they were $3000 unlike the current $799 "web-special"
fuck off
>>54209214
the quality of the thinkpad line you fucking illiterate monkey
I'm considering upgrading my RAM to either 8gb (just buying one additional module) or 16gb (two additional modules). I'm not expecting to need more than 8gb RAM for this particular thinkpad, so should I bother going to the max?
>>54209410
I meant to clarify part of why I'm asking is that I read too much RAM may cause too much heating.
>>54209380
>You haven't even mentioned
have you owned an IBM-era thinkpad? spend $50 and get one to see for yourself
>>54209431
>Get your own evidence
That's not how discussions and debates work m8. So far the only points people have been able to make in these threads is a couple of missing fucking keys.
>>54209431
lol agreed. you can't understand until youve physically compared a proper thinkpad with a modern laptop
>>54209625
>That's not how discussions
whatever I'd tell you would be dismissed anyway because you're a stubborn retard; so get one yourself and see
>>54209743
Only retarded points get dismissed. If you think the quality of a product, despite having better up-to-date hardware, is degrading simply because of a different key board layout, or missing LED lights, then you are indeed a fucking moron. So unless you can bring up valid points, your argument literally means shit all.
how many of you have replaced the screen on the t420? is it worth it?
>>54208558
Mint ran fine on my X1C3, I see no reason why it wouldnt work on a T460.
Chakra, blacklab and deepin had some problems on it, (deepin kept on dropping wifi connections and prompt for a wifi connection).
>>54209214
Get a mint condition T30, 600E/X, 755, T4xp, X32, T23, T60, and you will see for yourself.
>>54209901
For what its worth, because of laptops being designed to be lighter and cost reduction, ThinkPads have gotten kicked in QC a bit from the formers.
Keyboard change is one thing, indicator lights are another thing too, although to you it may not matter to people who've used these things in the past can't fathom why they have done this sort of thing.
Build quality, as in structural frame strength, isn't the same as they were in the past. Arguably all laptops in the Pentium era were blockier and more strongly built.
ThinkPads are like Porsches. There are big fans & elitists of the air cooled models (IBM ThinkPads), and there are fans of the newer water cooled model, just like Lenovo fanboys.
>>54210064
>being retard enough to break one's screen or buy a t420 with a 1366x768 display
>>54210140
I haven't bought one yet. I just hear that the stock 1600 x 900 screen is terrible.
>>54210126
Quality points. That being said, what about the internals and how well the thinkpad runs? Surely that's improved.
>>54210126
>Build quality, as in structural frame strength, isn't the same as they were in the past. Arguably all laptops in the Pentium era were blockier and more strongly built.
Mobile phones then vs mobile phones now
Televisions then vs televisions now
Computers then vs computers now
How is this an issue?
>>54208998
Windows XP Professional, i dont want to linux it up just yet, i like a certain few windows only programs and games.
1.7ghz pentium m
2gb of ram
40gb 7200rpm hard drive
ati radeon mobility 7500, 32mb video memory
pretty stock stuff except for the hard drive and ram
>>54210254
For the most part its soldiered RAM being reintroduced, (though the thinkpad X40 and some older loved IBM models did have soldiered RAM), so it would suck if the soldiered RAM fails.
The reintroduction of IPS displays is good, though some people wish there was still a 4:3 aspect ratio laptop or at least 16:10.
There are quite a variation of QC gremlins on ThinkPads, its hard to say what problems will exist on newer machines because the nVidia issue affected T61 units after a few years, though the ghosting issue on X220 and Yogas did happen quite early.
Remember IBM sold their ThinkPad division because of the A31 GPU overheating issues, T23/T30 RAM holders, and the T4x GPU overheating and chassis flex problems.
>>54210373
>mobile phone battery life from then and now
>televisions PSU issues and people cracking LCDs
>new computers are overpriced with bullshit
The whole thin factor is getting old, battery life isn't really progressing much anymore compared to hardware progression
I don't really have much of a TV argument, but I honestly don't give much of a shit to TVs.
A lot of work computers are still chugging along great with XP, quite a few businesses and people have problems when upgrading to W8/W10.
Cars would be so much better with performance and efficiency had there not been retarded safety & emmision requirements.
>The whole thin factor is getting old
Well to be fair, when you're carrying a business laptop around everywhere, it makes sense that the market demanded better ergonomics. The fact that thinkpads are now lighter, despite being less sturdier, i believe is a good thing.
>Battery life isn't really progressing much anymore compared to hardware progression
I hate this about modern technology. Can't remember which model, but one of the latest thinkpads has a battery life of 21 hours or something. Pretty neat.
>Cars would be so much better with performance and efficiency had there not been retarded safety & emmision requirements.
Call me a hippy but unless the world turns to electric powered cars in the next 30 or so years, among other environmental changes, we're fucked.
>>54210669
The thin thing was for phones, sorry I should of said that.
Though batteries are getting better, battery life from the Pentium II era was a lot different than Pentium 4 and Core 2 Duo. Yes computing power did go up but so did bloat from OS. But thats something that I cant really argue.
Again it was another argument for cellphones, battery life took a big hit because of LCDs.
Not to be a tinfoil but I've read that theres 10,000 more volcanos than expected and CO2 they emit are far more worse than what we chug out.
Also I've seen that the original report for greenhouse gases were denied by NATO or something, I don't get who it was but I think my sources are wrong anyways.
>>54209901
>despite having better up-to-date hardware
a new cpu and ddr4 doesn't make for better build quality, you fucking moron
I need some buying advice. I know this is thinkpad thread but I'm being assraped with the prices of the used X201 and x220 which is my ideal laptop (over $800).
I'm looking at some dells like the E4300 (About $250). It looks about right but expensive. It is supposed to have 2 or 4GB of RAM and the 160GB 7200rpm hdd. I don't know what CPU since the dell website shows little config info from the service tag.
I'm also looking at a D410 which is stupid cheap ($70) but doesn't have an HDD. I know this is a really OLD machine but I was using a 15 year old P3 until recently so...
I don't know what to do/buy. I want a small 13 inch or so laptop, with a good resolution screen (bigger than 800 vertical. netbook 1024x600 reso need not apply) to drag around at my university. I usually go there on a motorcycle so it needs to be small and light so it fits on my backpack along with my books and crap.
Battery life is not of paramount importance since I can plug it in while on campus but I don't care if the laptop comes with a dead battery as long as it can have the cells replaced. I have plenty of netbook batteries to salvage new cells from.
The programs I use are a web browser, netbeans, c compiler and shiz.
>>54211064
>Still no valid points
Just stop posting already faggot.
>>54211304
>X201 and x220 which is my ideal laptop (over $800).
u wot? Where?
>>54211304
Latitudes are sturdy little shit suckers, half my family uses them as their work/school machines.
>>54211371
Sandniggerland
>>54211453
You know some Latitude options in 10~13 inches? Besides the
E4300 (Still expensive)
D410 (1024x768 but IDE drive)
D420 (Worst offender with a 1.5" ZIF drive)
I was looking at some HP/Compaq machines and they don't seem to make small laptops, or at least they haven't got them in this market.
>>54211486
They use d630s; I personally don't know much about them (dad does maintenance and computers for everyone in the house by me and my brothers), but they've worked flawlessly from what I've heard.
so if I want to get an eGPU setup going, I just need a normal GPU, a normal PSU, and one of these connector things:
http://www.amazon.com/Bplus-version-interface-ExpressCard-Length/dp/B00ZI33QLY
right? do I need anything else?
What's wrong with the new T560 Thinkpads?
>>54211315
>mad for getting told
son of a bitch
>>54211751
So you're saying the hardware isn't better in current models?
>>54211725
>What's wrong with the new T560 Thinkpads?
Out /g/'s price range
Just to throw it out there, I work for Lowe's Hardware Corporation in the IT department. We use nothing but T-series. We just got in a big batch of T450s with SSDs. The T430 I had previously survived for 3 years, never skipped a beat. The units we cycle out get sent to various refurbish retailers around the US. I'm pretty sure all of them are available through Newegg. If you see refurbished T430s on sale in the next few weeks, it's probably one of ours. I think I saw one the other day up for $250
>>54211725
Compared to laptops of the same generation? Nothing. Compared to older ThinkPads? What the fuck is Lenovo thinking?
my fuckin x220 doesn't have a webcam - what do?
pic unrelated
Which series has the best thinkpads? I don't care about price
>>54211895
Buy one if you want one. Personally, I'd consider a missing webcam a bonus.
>>54211902
X, W, P
>>54211913
why wouldn't they just put one in when there is a space for one? they can't be expensive
>>54211902
Absolute best?
P series workstations, or W series. Optimally a W700ds.
If you want "it would take the fires of hell to extinguish this beast once and for all" tier, go with any older T series.
>>54208602
Sorry, forgot to select the option for 10 pro. Haven't purchased it yet, just keep trying to decide.
>>54211955
Uh, they do.
>>54209203
look into bios modding to remove the wifi card white list and go wireless ac. You can also change the bios splash screen if you care about that.
>>54211304
I used a D410 for YEARS. It's a great little machine, but
>1024x768
>>54211925
>>54211959
I see. I notice a lot of business' tend to go with the T series. Are there any outstanding differences between the series that make them unique? Aside from the "it would take the fires of hell to extinguish" point.
>>54208842
For now. My main objective is to secure a good processor and graphics card for what I need. RAM is something I can upgrade later.
>>54212018
X series are smaller and more portable, T series are average sized, W and P series are as big as they need to be.
>>54212018
The P series is the cream of the cream of the creammmm of the crop kinda thinkpads, theyre designed to be mobile high end workstations, there are some with 64gb of ram
as a result,
>expensive as fuck
The W series is professional shit, not as fancy hardware wise as the p series, but come with unique features like built in drawing tablets, or in the case of the w700ds, a second slide out 10 inch screen
The T series is popular in business because its the most reliable thing they can get their hands on, theyre fairly cheap, with good build quality and decent specs, good for everyday work stuff like microsoft office and adobe programs.
Older T series, like pre lenovo IBM stuff, simply wont die, they still work fairly well to this day, and theyre cheap, reliable everyday machines.
Note this anons >>54202678 T42, which is something like 13 years old, still going strong, and still works as their daily driver.
>>54212078
The P series replaces the W series as the workstation line, there's no difference between the two. I don't know why they didn't just continue with a W560 and W760, but that's what they did.
>>54212058
Thanks for breaking it down famalam
>>54212078
Interesting. Which series would have the best specs do you believe? I don't think my line of work requires the workstation line so so far i'm leaning towards either the T or X series.
Fuck it, I'm about to pull the trigger on this circa 2009 laptop.
Is there ANYTHING WRONG with the Dell Latitude E4300? Anything that may drive me nuts using it as a daily driver?
It even has the backlit keyboard although is UK distribution, I already spotted the backlit keyboard on my local distribution on ebay if I ever want to replace it.
Will this machine take a mSATA SSD or a 3G Mobile card?
>>54212262
Best specs without the P series would be in the newest T series models, The T560 can do up to 32gb of ram, or one step down would be the T460 or T460s, which are pretty evenly speced.
In the X series, the best choice is the X1 Carbon.
>>54212266
Old dell business laptops resold usually have hardware too hot for them to handle, i always had issues with my refurbished E4200 overheating beacuse the reseller put an ancient i3 in it.
>fucking idles at 60c
>>54212266
The Penryn Dell Latitudes of that era were really solid, I see no problem getting the E4300.
>>54212345
>In the X series, the best choice is the X1 Carbon.
> best - of the most excellent, effective, or desirable type or quality.
Please don't do this again.
>>54212345
>X1 Carbon
>best choice
How can I know which CPU the E4300 has? I have the service tag but the hardware config tab shows nothing about the CPU. It's supposed to be soldered on-board.
Also, it's DDR2?
The config shows:
H299F // 2 // DUAL IN-LINE MEMORY MODULE, 2GB, 1066MHZ, 256X64, 8K, 204
That's supposed to be 4GB?
Sorry for being a pain in the ass, I'm set on that laptop, skullfucked by the price but, I kinda need it soon.
>>54212520
E4300 is a socketed Penryn just like it's bigger brothers, and it supports DDR2-800. Your config looks to be 4 GB, but you never know if the refurbisher changed that.
>>54212555
Oh shit, I take it back, it's a soldered chip.
>>54212345
T460p is pretty much the way to go for the new T series. For a cheaper price you can get a 2k screen rather than 1080p and the i5 6440hq is better than the 6600u except for power consumption. The difference is literally 0.13 of inch of thickness.
I'd personally just upgrade the ram and put in the ssd myself because it's cheaper.
>>54212555
Oh, I'm about to buy from an end user, not refurbished. I guess it's the original buyer. Not completely sure. He brought it from the UK although he's lying it's from Germany.
The Intel Spec sheet for the chipset says it supports DDR2 and 3 and some review websites say the memory is ddr3. Also googling for the part number (H299F) in images, the cut on the board looks in the right place for a DDR3 stick.
I'm still wondering if this machine will be happy to take a mSATA flash drive or I'll have to buy a SATA 2.5" SSD.
>>54212780
I'm not sure about mSATA, but I'd suggest going the 2.5 inch SSD route. these old machines are dramatically faster with just an upgrade to an SSD.
>>54212743
How is the i5 6440hq better than the i7 6600u?
>>54213047
6440hq is a quadcore processor that supports 4 threads while the 6600u is a 2core processor that hyperthreads to support 4 threads, as always physical core>virtual cores. The 6440hq also operates at a higher turbo frequency. The only place the 6600u beats it is in terms of power consumption.
>>54213153
Damn, i always assumed i7>i5 as a generalisation.
>>54213259
i7 basically just means it supports hyperthreading, so it can virtually double its cores. So so say an i7 quadcore could hyperthread to 8 threads.
>>54213295
Okay would you be able to tell me the difference between the i7 6600u and the 6500u?
>>54211640
anybody?
>>54213396
6600u runs at a higher frequency than the 6500u so you'll get slightly better performance. Like 10-15% or something like that. Really depends on how much more you want to pay for the performance.
>>54212160
It uses a different chassis and design than the T series, note the dual fans.
>P40 Yoga
Okay I can't use that argument on this model, they simply didn't want to drop the p after the Yoga 260 or whatever, so yeah.
I guess to give the P series more of a selection than just a 15" and 17" laptop.
>>54212025
DDR4 RAM will be much cheaper by the end of the year, unless Lenovo does some whitelist bullshit on it.
X260
>shit keyboard
>1366x768 base
>throttling skylake
>single channel
>hybrid ssd
>shit build quality
I'm so tired of the memes
how loud does the t420 get?
>>54213708
How is the keyboard shit
What is wrong with a 1366x768 base
What is wrong with skylake?
Can the x260 be modified for dual channel?
Since when did it have a hybrid ssd
how is the build quality shit?
Has anyone here hardware flashed a custom BIOS on a x230? What's actually needed to do it?
>>54213708
I like mine. Kill yourself.
>>54214110
not my fault you like eating shit out of Chink hands
Gookovo has fucked up the brand beyond recognition
>>54214136
Not my fault you're a pretentious little fanbitch. If it's so shit, why don't you answer this anon then >>54213885.
>>54214272
>why don't you answer this anon then
I don't spoonfeed retards that can't read
>>54214289
>can't read
Because there's some deeper meaning behind writing something is bad without listing why? Fuck you're dumb.
>>54214289
I was genuinely curious as to why the things you listed were bad. No need to act like such a cunt.
that feel when you drunk order shit off th einternet, oh well I guess I have another 240gb ssd coming and a HD hub thingy. I don't know this dvd rom shit anyways. never once.
>>54214289
they just mad anon. don't bother.
slthough with those spoecs i'd go a higher resoulution. but i do not code . ai am sure syou serve your purposes well.l fuck the hate
>>54214440
Not sure if same fag, or if this general is full of elitist neckbeards.
>>54214342
>ng is bad without listing why?
Perhaps you want an essay with a bibliography about that chink garbage? The why is implied in the specs. If you're too retarded to understand hardware specs you are better fucking off
>>54214440
So fucking sick of that Chink company spitting on the brand they acquired for years now, making everything into a macbook clone or worse
>>54214460
nah I am someone else.
I am not 1366 fan myself. but I am not sure what they use their laptop for.other than that. good specs and all is welll>>54214471
I wouldn't know i rock t420's right now. but I will get a higher one later on.may b dissapointed. shall see
>>54214471
Half of your points are subjective. Maybe get off your pedestal and you wouldn't be so surprised as to why i questioned where your opinion came from.
>>54198990
I already have the battery, power adapter, ram cover, and hdd cover.
how much should I pay for a t420 without those?
>>54214553
No more than like $150.
Did i do good.
>>54215226
It's a beast.
>>54215226
>3ssds, all are 2,5"
How? Where?
>>54213434
>>54211640
I have that exact one, the PE4C 3.0
That is all you need
Can someone with an X60 tablet or X61 tablet test a couple of things for me? I might get one for fun but there's a few things I spend most days doing that I'd want to know if the X60t/X61t can do
How does Windows 7/8/10 run on them?
Can youtube play 720p with no stuttering? How about 720p60?
Is the cpu strong enough to play twitch.tv streams?
Skype runs, right?
Downloaded videoplayback I imagine should be able to play 720p videos, but how about 1080p? And Hi10p encoding?
Gimp or Photoshop for drawing on, they run fine on the older laptop?
What's the cpu's graphics, anywhere I can look online to see up to what kind of old games this can play?
Thanks in advance
I don't want to get lampasted, but I have this nagging question
as anybody ever made casts of shells and then 3D printed new ones?
I'm thinking it would be cool to own a thinkpad but the idea of not knowing where it's been, who used it, if they put shitty stickers on there, etc.
Even if it's perfectly clean (I'm petty as fuck)
It could also be cool to get different color shell you know?
>>54200313
Works on my machine running gentoo
>>54208807
Think about the type of people who work in "education". Then think if you want to use any product targeted at that shit-tier demographic.
>>54216341
no
why are you trying to get an x60/61? especially the tablet which has the shitty ULV cpu
just get an x201 or x220 (t if you need the touch/stylus) and those should be able to do that ok. an x201 will struggle with some high bitrate 1080p video, but an x220 should be fine.
Anyone know how to adjust trackpoint scrolling speed in windows 10? The Ultranav settings doesn't offer any trackpoint options, and when I use general mouse preferences for tp scrolling, it makes my mouse wheel too fast so it's unusable.
>>54216418
I've tried gentoo and it didn't work (or maybe I didn't fiddle enoguh with it). How did you set it up? What WM/DE are you using?
>>54200313
Werks on Ubuntu 15.10/16.04
>>54203626
Adding to this. It was a Dell Alienware M14X R2 screen. NOT the Alienware 14.
>>54217463
Link for those who want it
http://www.laptopscreen.com/English/model/Dell/ALIENWARE~M14X~R2/
Just got the first of two battery recall replacements I had to proccess. (Dunno why they have decided to send them out seperately on two seperate days.)
They listed the value as 18.59 euros.
Compared to the what they sell for on their website - £78.84. Cmon lolnovo.
Guys, give me a hand here.
I'm considering buying an i5 x220 (hdd, might put an ssd in later) for about 200€.
The thing is, I already have a LG E200 that, while pretty shitty, does run Linux decently.
Should I take the plunge? What are the benefits of the chinkpad lifestyle?
Hey
How easy easy is it to replace the sticker on the trackpad of the T420? Not the entire trackpad just the rubberized sticker that is on-top of it. Mine is becoming white and looking a little nasty. I saw some very cheap replacement stickers on ebay but was wondering if there is a guide on how to do it.
>>54218020
Just peel it off and put a new one on. Or just use it without one.
>>54218020
are you telling me that the black plastic nubbed pad on my T420's trackpad is removable?
>>54216341
7 and 8 work fine. Although 8 will hate you for being XGA unless you get the SXGA+ one. I imagine if you're watching a stream, you wouldn't want to be doing much else
Of course skype runs
GIMP will work but it'll strain itself and don't bother with Ps except the really old versions
Graphics is a 950 iirc. Can't do shit
Can't be fucked testing things since it's running NotWindows at the moment but you get the idea
But really you're living with a low voltage Duo2Cuo and what will be very meh battery life, especially as the CCFLs will want you running at near full brightness all the time
Might as well step up to an X201t or the like
>>54217996
Eh, that's a lot to pay for an X220. Benefits? You get to circlejerk in here. That's pretty much the main reason but if you really want it then there's no stopping you
>>54218149
Yep.
Currently have an x220 and it's the best machine I've ever owned by far. Not even shilling here.
My question is, what laptop could replace it when it becomes really obsolete in about three years? The keyboards on the more recent Thinkpad lines seem to be a bit shitty.
>>54216341
If this helps, on my X60 non-tablet (T2300, 3GB) running W XP, Gimp 2.4.0 (haven't tried any other version) werks fine, but I don't do anything remotely advanced with it, and youtube somewhat stutters at 720.
Also, DDR2 RAM is not as cheap as DDR3 that you'd need for an X2**, and some of the X60/T CPUs are 32bit.
>>54218226
this: >>54199128
Just had my T420 delivered. First ever laptop :)
Is there anything you recommend I do with it to start with? Currently just uninstalling bloatware.
Specs: i5 2520M @2.5GHz, 8GB RAM, 200GB SSD, Windows 7 Pro 64 bit.
>>54218195
Should I remove it?
I'd rather reinstall windows than uninstall bloatware. Faster and cleaner imo.
Really I'd rather install arch, but I gather you're a pleb. If you want to superpower your thunkpad, I'd say that's the way to go though.
Otherwise, maybe look into some fun expresscard / disc slot things? Extra SATA slots, PCI x16 adapters, etc. Personally, I have 2 x USB 3.0 in my expresscard slot.
>>54218456
"rather uninstall arch, but I gather you're a pleb"
I love how like vegans arch users are, everyone has to know.
There doesn't seem to be much bloatware at all, I've only had to uninstall 2 programs. But I think I might upgrade to win10 and select fresh install or whatever
>>54202894
Is this a meme laptop?
Who the fuck uses 17 inch overpriced heavy as your mom's ass thinkbads with shitty screen and deprecated insecure CPUs?
Are you all retarded?
How are E530c Thinkpads? How much would be a good price for them?
>>54218776
Read the fucking OP
>>54218597
They're more of a collectors item nowdays, they keep increasing in value rather than depreciating.
>>54218361
Why the x230 though? Ivybridge isn't that much better than Sandy
>>54218401
maybe 1600x900 display if it doesn't already have one.
>>54218937
not that much better is still better, native USB 3.0 is nice, better battery life. With the keyboard issue close to being completely solve the only reason people had to hate on the xx30 series will be gone
Thinking of picking up a mint X201 - how many years will it be usable for? Mainly web browsing, youtube, 720/1080 video, programming and a bit of super light photo/video editing. Should I be looking at a T410 with nvidia instead?
The reason I'm looking at the arrandale rather than sandybridge is I really like 16:10, and I've heard the build quality is better on the older chinkpads.
