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Ubuntu 16 comes out on Thursday. I am excited. If you want to upgrade, a clean installation is recommended, so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16.
http://www.ubuntu.com/
https://www.linux.com/news/ubuntu-1604-something-get-excited-about
Ubuntu is Linux for human beings with jobs and girlfriends, unlike Ach linux which is for basement dwelling virgin redditors with tiny penises. Happy 16.04 everyone!
Is it smart to install the preview and just upgrade later?
>>54107027
I don't see what difference it makes, especially since it's 3 days away.
>>54106994
>Ubuntu 16
I think you mean 16.04 as in 2016-04
>>54107027
>install the preview
Not a preview, it is a release candidate. There is no difference between this and the final installer, except some package updates to fix bugs. You can also install updates through the system updater.
It is very stable at this point, but YMMV
>>54107076
>I think you mean 16.04 as in 2016-04
Spare me your pedantry faggot. It's going to be known as 16 for years to come, not 16.04. People refer to 14 as 14 LTS.
Jokes on you, OP, I have a tiny penis and use Ubuntu
>>54107099
False flagging Archfag spotted.
>>54106994
>so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16.
nice try NSA
>>54107120
win10/xubuntu dual booting elf-hung masterrace
How much better is GNOME Software compared to USC?
>>54106994
Still looks like shit
And GCN 1.0 cards still fucked without AMDGPU and now without proprietary drivers
And it still has shitty trackpad support
Literally only two things that don't make me switch, I'm fucking fine with Unity
>>54107151
>USC
What is this? I could google it but I will get a 1000 different acronyms.
>>54107180
Yeah your riced out animu wallpaper with illegal walpaper with no DE and just a window manager is much better, which is why no one uses it, faggot.
Go back to teddit.
>>54107182
Switch from what?
>>54107207
OSX
>>54107207
Jokes on you freetard. I use the most beautiful OS ever designed, OSX
>>54107207
Ubuntu Software Centre. It's not rocket science to add "ubuntu" to your search when you see a term related to Ubuntu in an Ubuntu thread.
>>54107218
>>54107222
What's it like using an OS that has been shut out of enterprise situations for more than a decade?
>>54107151
USC did not play well with GTK themes last time I used it. If you're using anything other than the default theme, try Gnome Software.
>>54107239
I thought it was a general Linux thing.
I think the USC would be better than Gnome, especially if you're on Ubuntu.
>>54107091
All the ubuntu people I know call it "16 4" as in "sixteen-four". That's how we refer to 12.04 (twelve-four) and 14.04 (fourteen-four).
>>54107248
>>54107257
I'm asking because USC was replaced by GNOME Software in 16.04. USC is dead.
>>54107076
got some time to kill, might as well do it right now
does it come with native vulkan support?
>>54107308
Oh I didn't know. I haven't upgraded yet.
Isn't Unity based on Gnome? What difference will it make?
Looking forward to Snappy desu
what is mir? why is it so important?
sorry noob here
>>54107371
Display server, forked from Wayland. Meant to replace Xorg. It's important because X is bloated, but honestly from average user, and especially at this stage, it's not very important.
It's important from development perspective.
>>54107408
do config files like Xresources work with mir?
>>54107340
Unity itself is not, but Ubuntu has always used many GNOME components.
Well, they're two completely different software management applications.
>>54106994
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux,
is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component
of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell
utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day,
without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU
which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are
not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.
There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a
part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system
that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run.
The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself;
it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is
normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system
is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux"
distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
MATE >= XFCE > KDE > Unity > garbage > vomit > shit > GNOME
>>54107244
I'd agree if KDE didn't run like shit on my PC
>>54107605
Wrong comment?
>>54107637
Yeah what the fuck
I meant to reply to >>54107595
>>54107605
what hardware do you have? It ran fine on my T60 with a C2D @1.8Ghz and 2GB of ram
Reminder that OP was too stupid to install Arch and is mad about it.
Low IQ & lazy subhuman detected
>>54107730
Wew lad, you seem angry. What's wrong with an easygoing Linux experience for you might be what someone else would enjoy about Linux.
>>54107715
i5 4460/7970 with 8gb of ram
>>54107730
>I can copy and paste scripts from a wiki so I am a 1337 haxor
>Noobuntu is so bloated
>Mom, cancel my meetings. Pacman broke Xorg again.
>>54107730
Hope it comes with updated noveau for booting it
>>54106994
nice graphic
>>54107595
this desu baka senpai
>>54108068
Is your meme supposed to be convincing some one?
>>54108264
*someone
It just shows how faggy Archfags are, faggot.
I can't believe Arch is the most popular distro in /r/linux, but that's rebbit for ya. Ubuntu is 2nd.
>>54108045
Someone gimme a tldr of what's new this release?
>>54108277
kek, then go back to plebbit faggot
>>54108277
You never had Ach so you dont know how it like.
It really nice to work with. I real like arch but My next machine will run gentoo.
Every machine i now format for my friends i put arch on it.
>>54108344
>my friends
I bet you have so many you basement dwelling freak.
What's the point of a distro that requires an expert to install?
>>54108343
>>54108344
What's it like using rebbit's favourite distro?
>>54106994
>so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16.
incoming memes
When are they gonna get rid of those shitty gradients and go for flat style.
Even kde's being on ball
>>54106994
The fglrx drivers are being depreciated. The Open Source AMD drivers currently suck. I've been using Ubuntu 16.04 for some time now and it doesn't look to good for gaming.
>>54108361
What is it like being a plebbitor?
what happens when ubuntu runs out of letters
>>54108395
>implying you didn't hear about Arch through /r/linux
how do i install BEST (idc about open source much. if they are the best, its a plus tho.) amd drivers on ubuntu mate 15.10? im downloading the iso now. i have some linux experience like using terminal/ricing and shit, but i could never find a clear cut answer on installing graphics drivers
is MIR able to play with tiling wms ?
>>54108409
Not everyone is a plebbitor like you, pleb
>>54108361
>requires an expert to install?
are basic reading and interpretation skills considered "expert" now?
God you're such a retard
>>54108448
Typical ubunut user, what do you expect.
Installing a DE is so hard
>>54108414
Why are you downloading 15 when 16 comes out in 3 days?
>>54108448
>run as root
>mistype command
>ruin system
>boot Ubuntu
>press install
>finished
>>54108403
please respond I am legitimately concerned
>>54108492
>Why are you downloading 15 when 16 comes out in 3 days?
i don't have the patience. plus i can just upgrade when it does come out
>>54108516
That's not recommended. Don't you realize that you could just download the 16 preview?
>>54108526
i did not realize.
still my statement stays the same. can i just use this guide? http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/should-you-use-amd-proprietary-graphics-drivers-how-do-you-install-them-ubuntu/
>>54108492
>ruin system
If you dont knowh nothing about install jsut use architect and it so easy.
Also one thing that we dont have any problems is updating and having to clean almost all to update.
Roling distro >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>release distro
>>54108547
Sure. I don't see why not.
>>54108567
>no official installer
>use this piece of shit kludge
No thanks. Let me know when Arch is used in Enterprise environments outside of basements.
>>54108597
Don't worry anon, keep trying computers and maybe one day you'll be more tech literate than my grandma
>>54108597
Arch is a community based distro, that mainly focuses on desktops. What are you trying to say here?
>>54108597
i have 2 servers running arch vpn server and apache server.
And they have a really good up time.
You can deploy what you like.
Not having a graphic installer for me is better.
>>54108678
I'm a 3rd year CS student faggot.
>>54108702
That you're a faggot.
>>54108718
It's so good that no businesses use it.
Server 16 LTS when?
I wanna get that gcc version 5.0+
>>54108733
>That you're a faggot.
Epic xDDD
Typical ubuntu babby
>>54108733
>I'm a 3rd year CS student faggot.
You probably went with CS because you spent all your life playing a ton of video games and think that I play games therefore I can into computers.
Just fuck off back to plebbit already
>>54108763
H-He wants to make dank games and impress /v/
>>54108733
Have you ever even asked your professors about Arch?
I'm in CE, but all the computer classes are the same, and they generally say Arch is a hassle compared to Ubuntu or Mint or Debian or Fedora (that they all use), but it's an incredibly rewarding experience just to learn how things work more under-the-hood on a linux machine.
Given still none of them use it
>>54108763
What's that faggot? You thought that your mad Arch skills meant that you were the most skilled with computers in the thread, but then you got BTFO by an Ubuntu user? Have you started writing your suicide not yet?
>>54108792
>Have you ever even asked your professors about Arch?
They wouldn't even know what it is.
> rewarding experience just to learn how things work more under-the-hood on a linux machine.
That's what Gentoo teaches you, not fucking Arch.
>Given still none of them use it
Find one that lives in a basement and then maybe he will be using it.
>>54108757
Would you be happy using Arch for a minimal of 100 servers that all have to be working optimally for you to keep your standard of living, pay your rent/mortgage, and supply yourself and a couple others, one of them with a wife and children as the primary breadwinner, with their needs and be responsible for that?
Linux will still be mostly un usable by Skylake owners. Even with U16. I also hope none of you expect to use Catalyst on U16, it won't work anymore.
>>54108815
you must go to some shit school if your professors don't even know what arch is
>>54108795
>btfo
>gaben
>impact font memes
Oh my we really have one of these retarded redditors ITT
>Arch
>>54108849
You're retarded if you think knowledge of Arch Linux indicates anything other than ownership of a reddit account.
>>54106994
I already installed the preview but I'm still ready :^)
>>54108826
Me again, what it is worth I am not looking to hate on Arch or distributions like it. I just think you are asking for a nightmare to manage the packages of a large fleet of things with something like Arch or even Gentoo.
Distributions like Arch, Gentoo, even Slackware have a great place. They teach you how to do things and really dive deep in it. Once they have done that, it is usually better to move on unless their use better helps you to build something highly custom.
>>54108914
You are the one who's redditor here, you admitted yourself.
How's your upvotes going?
>>54108941
Plasma 5.6 is really better than 5.5
You'll never know until you use it
>>54108836
>Skylake unusable on Linux
What meme is this?
>>54108977
Good. I have a trolling account and a main account.
>>54109238
xDD
>>54108941
been using xfce for years
hows KDE multi monitor support m8?
>>54109296
Not him, but works fine here
>>54108068
100000/10 to whomever made that.
Toppest of keks.
>>54109381
You made that
>>54106994
>still no thumbnails in file select
Why install the preview now and run in possible issues when you update instead of just waiting a few days and doing a clean install then?
>>54109405
That's because unity is based on shitty GNOME
>>54107670
mate would be awesome if it wasnt for all the fucking spanish application names, Its unintuitive as fuck to know what a particular app will do based on its name in mate.
>>54107730
>following spoonfed step-by-step instructions makes you smart
>>54108403
Start over again at A?
>>54109405
Fixed by ahoka last year. NIH syndrome.
>>54109497
>Being unable to follow spoonfed step-by-step instructions makes you smart
>>54108344
I don't care much about ubuntu but fuck arch it's cancer to the gnu Linux community. If you use arch please consider a real distro instead of a hobby distro
>>54108403
They're going to start using names from African folklore.
>>54109550
Arch is great
Don't know whether to go for Ubuntu Mate 16.04 or Arch (Antergos or Architect) MATE or Cinnamon. I really like Cinnamon but Mint is a shit.
>>54109587
Your mom is great. I fucked her last night.
>>54109619
Mint literally performs better than all the other common distros. Except in graphics rendering.
>>54106994
I don't know what the fuck """Ach Linux""" is, it's a good thing I use Arch instead. :^)
>>54109666
But it has way too much bloat for my liking and is shady and insecure as fuck
>>54107595
i3 > all
>>54109637
EPIC
>>54109488
>no sabiendo español
kill yourself, my man.
>>54109519
>Fixed by ahoka last year.
Show me the patch.
>>54109676
It's as secure as any other distro not running SELinux (The website is not the distro), and bloat? Cinnamon's the best performance per aesthetic value DM around. I just uninstalled any programs I wouldn't use when I installed Mint, and I think that was only one or two
Don't buy into the shit memes
>>54109706
>>54109730
>It's as secure as any other distro not running SELinux
No it's not. Please read:
https://lwn.net/Articles/676664/
>>54109717
It's linked in the bug thread, but whatever.
https://github.com/ahodesuka/gtk/commits/bgo141154-filechooser-icon-view-gtk2
>>54106994
I've had like 99% of those programs like 3 years ago
>>54109764
1) That's for GTK+2 only. Not only is Firefox about to move to GTK+3 (so you won't be able to make use of it there), but you can't just put big changes into a toolkit that's in maintenance mode.
2) Was it reviewed? Were any concerns addressed? Was it rejected? Why?
You can't say "NIH" without understanding what that means.
>>54109758
Literally nothing written there had anything to do with security past the first paragraph. Shitty practice, certainly, but not security risks.
As for the first paragraph,
1) Does anybody ever look at the "Security Advisories" anybody puts out? I wasn't even aware distros did this, and this is coming from someone who uses CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu (server), AND Mint almost daily.
2) It uses the same packages as Ubuntu and Debian, it's trivial to just look at the "Advisories" from there.
>>54109806
Firefox is already gtk3
You can compile gtk2 versions of pretty much anything you like.
It was ignored for incompetent devs WONTFIX depsite being given a patch
>>54109834
>>54109842
>Firefox is already gtk3
Then the patch is not going to help Firefox users then.
>WONTFIX
I found the bug. It's clearly not WONTFIX. Looking at the history it was never WONTFIX[1]. A dev even thanked ahoka for the patch[2].
Are you blind or something?
1. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_activity.cgi?id=141154
2. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141154#c87
>Disabled AmazonWare by default
Is it time to switch back to Ubuntu from Mint?
>>54109887
Did they fix it in the 12 years its been an issue?
NOPE
WONTFIX
>>54109888
Does ubuntu even have cinnamon?
>>54109897
That's not what WONTFIX means idiot. I've seen at least one older bug in GTK+ fixed last year.
>>54109899
Through PPAs
>PPAs
Yeah now I don't know. It's my desktop too so I'm not running fucking MATE or anything like that. Is Unity still as bad as people say? Haven't used it in over a year
I don't get it.
If gtk is the issue why won't GNOME cucks override this shitty file uploader? Pretty sure KDE master race does the same with Qts native file picker
>>54109912
Is it fixed right now?
Did they fix it?
No,they said they >dont want< to integrate it in to gtk2 because it is in maintence mode,while >gtk3< is the >main project<
They refuse to fix it
They wont fix it
WONTFIX
Having label means nothying at this point,unless you're autist,then i see where your world is being shut down and falling around you.
>>54106994
>put all your valuable stuff on the cloud
I want NSA to leave.
>>54109758
>selinux
I want NSA to leave.
>>54109686
This. i3 is love, i3 is life.
>>54109405
Just install a non-shitty file manager then? You know how to use apt-get, right?
>>54109925
Override it with what?
See also
https://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/unstable/gtk3-GtkFileChooserNative.html
>>54109943
>No,they said they >dont want< to integrate it in to gtk2
I really wonder whether you can read at all. What was actually written:
>It would be helpful to have a patchset against GTK+ 3.x first, and then we can decide whether or not it can be backported to GTK+ 2.x.
>Having label means nothying
Bugzilla is a bug tracking system where labels mean quite a lot actually. That's how Bugzilla works.
>>54110027
FUCK
You're dense.
>>54110060
So far you've demonstrated
a) you don't know what "NIH" is
b) you don't know how bug tracking systems work
c) you're unable to reliable paraphrase written text
I'm not the dense one here.
>>54106994
>clean install
talk about nightmare mode. how do you backup all the repos that you update from? i cant even imagine having to go through the frustration of re-finding the methods to install all of this obscure supporting software. i don't even know 10% of the things i have installed on here to get everything working.
>>54109118
How so?
>>54108068
Everyone on /g/ is a moron. This is "my dad can beat up your dad" level shit.
Some people have specific and varied needs. Their goals may not always align with your own.
Stop caring about what other people do, you fucking cyberSJWs
Just release alreadyyyy
Whats gaymen like on Ubuntu? I'm getting sick of winblows
>>54106994
>so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud
>>54110887
Fewer games and you have to use NVIDIA cards.
>>54110812
>>54108068
>>54109381
>my text from yesterday
Feels great
If I had known you were going to make a pic though, finish each arch user's point with "...I'm better than you"
>>54110812
This "my needs are not your needs" is a complete cop out you take when you tried to prove that your obscure distro is the best like no one ever was, then you fail. BSD shits do the same thing when they lose, too.
>>54110393
What do you even use third party repos for? Especially with Ubuntu.
>>54110895
>fewer shit games and you have to use the best graphics cards
>>54111045
Fewer AAA games and you have to use the most expensive graphics cards.
>>54111075
>AAA games
That's what I said, shit games.
>expensive
Expensive=better
Honest question. Why does everyone insist Linux is better for server stuff? Granted my use case is very small. My mini media server only has to serve up to a max of 4 people. Sharing a folder or printer is as simple as right clicking the folder in question, going through a few properties menus, and done. Each person has their own user account.
Windows fucked itself as it's wont to do because of a sudden power outage. I installed Linux. After 2 hours of fucking around and googling several problems, I got a folder shared over the network. Problem is, I'm the only one who can connect. I tried everything and it amounted to nothing. Not to mention transfer speed of the network is a measly 55MB/s where as on Windows I was getting 130+MB/s.
What gives? I'm going to give it one more try, complete blank slate and step by step with the help of the forum, but getting even simple server use out of Linux seems so convoluted compared to Windows.
This is coming from someone who has been use Linux Ubuntu as a major OS on laptop and desktop for a few years now. Only now that I need server use out of it does it present problems.
>>54111081
I personally use NVIDIA because they're the best, but lots of people are fine on AMD. It's a good way to save a few hundred dollars on a build.
>>54111082
Quit your job
>>54107327
Just use the graphics driver ppa.
>>54111262
What are you talking about?
>>54106994
>If you want to upgrade, a clean installation is recommended, so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16.
>ubuntu users
>>54111397
Freetard solution to everything
>We have to use proprietary software!
>Quit your job
>I had to use .doc
>Quit your job
>We have to use software
>Quit your job
>I had to make a phone call
>Quit your job
>I had to exist
>Quit your job
>>54111397
of shilling
>>54111082
Linux is a kernel, retard. Please leave this board and never come back.
>>54111082
Sounds like you tried to use a Linux desktop as a server. Try using the right tool for the right job.
Check out https://www.amahi.org/
>>54111454
Yea it seems they jump to anger so quickly.
>>54111457
Not shilling. Stating simple facts. This is my home server. I'm really trying to give Ubuntu a chance for my needs. Like I said, I'll give it another good try with a clean install of Ubuntu 15.10 and a freshly ext4 formatted drive. Only place I can see where I may have gone wrong is when I changed ownership of the drive from root to myself. Im assuming human error.
>>54111454
Nice meme dumb cuck
>>54111082
1) Windows machines are simply not as stable as Linux-based machines. There's a reason "restarting it" is a much bigger thing in Windows than it is in Linux. Generally speaking, Windows machines have a much, MUCH harder time staying on for the hundreds of days that are required of servers, where Linux machines really don't.
2) Sharing over Windows networks generally uses the SMB protocol. You can configure Linux machines for SMB servers, NFS servers (which are MUCH faster and Windows 7+ compatible depending on the W7 version), FTP servers, or whatever else you want. I don't want to sound like a pedantic fuck but if you lost speed, you're doing something wrong. Keep in mind that most RJ-45 ports these days are gigabit: the theoretical max you can get is 125MB/s. Windows is reporting the speed wrong unless you're on 10gbps connections.
3) Use SMB server for your situation. It's extremely easy to set up if you look it up. (couple minutes in smb.conf). If you need to edit fstab for automatic mount, be careful; fstab's tricky and a bad edit can mean you're going to need a LiveCD to get back in there and fix the mess.
Newfag to linux. Was about to install Ubuntu on an old AMD-based win 8 laptop. Should I just wait for the release since it's so close?
>>54111541
Thanks for the actual input! And yes I figured Windows was falsely reporting speeds as I know the limit of my LAN. Using cat5e and gigabit switch.
I know there are several edits one can do to the b.conf file. I just want to get the thing up and running first. I'm assuming samba share can be accessed by multiple users simultaneously without a problem? That was a major hitch Windows had. A share couldn't be mounted as a network drive by more than one person at a time, so you'd have to browse the server share via network section of the file manager in Windows.
Is there like a super noob guide for starting out with samba? I'm decent with Linux but I'm not one to assume I know everything. Don't want to fuck up and find it was something fundamental that was wrong.
>>54111496
How secure is amahi remote access? I'm currently using SFTP for my remote access and the speed is decent for a phone (~2MB/s with 4G/a halfway decent wifi connection). Can I get better with Amahi without sacrificing security?
>>54107121
>Just use Microsoft skydive insted
>>54111600
Oh and will samba guides for 14.04LTS work in 15.10? Most of the guides I see are for 14.04.
>>54111606
no. It is the same underlying tech. Nothing magical will make it faster other then sacrificing security.
>>54109899
>>54109923
Cinnamon is in the official Ubuntu respotitories in what looks like the latest version too on 16.04
>>54111600
Samba is fairly easy and intuitive to configure for a share-all public folder, I didn't even need a guide the first time. Here's one of my shares for example (you could just change this for your situation then add it to the end of smb.conf:#[Media] means it will appear to as [Media] inside your computer in the Windows network
[Media]
#Really have no Idea what comment does
comment = Media Share
#Path to the directory to share
path = /srv/shares/media/super/
#Browsable by others
browsable = yes
#Accessible by anonymous users
guest ok = yes
#Change to yes if you want write access
writable = no
#Mask for new stuff - doesn't matter too much.
#0644 is rw-r--r--
create mask = 0644
Few things to discuss though, i'll cover them in the next post
>>54106994
Testing this shit
>>54106994
Op im excited faggot. Finally a non aids ubuntu is comming out with all the spyware removed from conical. I will be installing GNOME 16.04 on mt extra hard drive in my new machine. A few more days....
>>54106994
>unlike Arch
Kek, jokes on you, at least I can upgrade without having to fucking WIPE THE SYSTEM.
>>54111687
>>54111613
Yeah, it should I would think. I'm on 14.04 but I'd imagine the package is identical.
Alright, few things:
-I believe I'm on the default smb.conf settings still (didn't change much if anything from the default smb.conf file).
-My partition mounts to /srv/shares/media at boot
-The /super/ at the end of the path is the top folder in the partition. Without this, if the partition fails to mount for whatever reason, and the share is writable, users will be able to write in an empty directory you're supposed to be mounting in - this is a big no-no. There's nicer ways to do this (with symlinks), but this works for me until I get bored and mess with it.
-The partitions shared can be any filesystem and will be readable by Windows machines (afaik - I've shared JFS, XFS, and ext4 and they all work)
-On that note, NTFS is a little weird when it comes to permissions on linux systems. You'll have to set the permissions at mount time (in fstab). There's a workaround but I haven't messed with it. The easier workaround is to just not use NTFS.
-Before you share everything, go to the directory and do asudo chown -R nobody:nogroup *
This removes the owners from the files, preventing some weird read problems from happening.
just use what you like you faggots
throwing shit about what distro you use is the ultimate reddit behaviour
>>54106994
>so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16.
Typical ubuntu kid
>>54111665
Well thats nice when are they going to switch Nemo to the default file manager Nautilus a shit
>>54111082
>Why does everyone insist Linux is better for server stuff?
It's great for web servers, database and the like. If you have Windows clients it makes sense to use Windows Server for Active Directory, Group Policy, File and Print. Anyone who says you should use Linux as a back end for Windows clients has never been employed. The right tool for the right job. Licensing a windows server will pay for the time you spend troubleshooting samba several times over.
>>54112250
nigger what. The vast majority of the internet is Windows clients and you don't see people running servers in Windows.
And samba is honestly one of the easiest networking things to set up and maintain, no troubleshooting required.
>>54111541
>1) Windows machines are simply not as stable as Linux-based machines. There's a reason "restarting it" is a much bigger thing in Windows than it is in Linux. Generally speaking, Windows machines have a much, MUCH harder time staying on for the hundreds of days that are required of servers, where Linux machines really don't.
This hasn't been true since 9x.
>2) Sharing over Windows networks generally uses the SMB protocol. You can configure Linux machines for SMB servers, NFS servers (which are MUCH faster and Windows 7+ compatible depending on the W7 version), FTP servers, or whatever else you want. I don't want to sound like a pedantic fuck but if you lost speed, you're doing something wrong. Keep in mind that most RJ-45 ports these days are gigabit: the theoretical max you can get is 125MB/s. Windows is reporting the speed wrong unless you're on 10gbps connections.
I get gigabit on SMB all day long
>>54112267
>The vast majority of the internet is Windows clients and you don't see people running servers in Windows.
Correct. I'm talking about a managed office environment with a directory service, file shares, and network printers. Anyone who tries to convince their boss to do all that with Linux should be escorted off premises for being a fucking moron.
>And samba is honestly one of the easiest networking things to set up and maintain, no troubleshooting required.
You've obviously never tried to make a shared printer available to Windows clients with Samba. Get a job and come back in a couple of years.
>>54112319
>You've obviously never tried to make a shared printer available to Windows clients with Samba. Get a job and come back in a couple of years.
I do that in my fucking house and it wasn't exactly trivial but it didn't take more than 25 minutes to set up. Fuck yourself. I'm sure if you spent more time learning how to use computers and less sucking dicks in the bathroom you'd be a more capable tech user.
>>54112361
>I do that in my fucking house
Thanks for proving my point.
Using the right tool for the right job brings efficiency so I can spend more time on actual business issues, which is why businesses hire IT teams in the first place. No one in the real world cares about your "I do everything the hard way aren't I l33t" dick swinging.
>>54111688
Doesn't it come with a lower KDE version by default? If you updated it, how stable is the whole thing? Last time I used an updated version of KDE on *buntu it was really buggy after.
>>54112448
>actual business issues
Like restarting your Windows servers because you didn't set them up right the first time? Or how about because they're Windows servers and can't be on longer than a couple weeks without losing 50% of their performance?
I work as a tech on the computer cluster at UCI you fuck, I work with Linux systems all day. And guess what, that time I spend on "actual business issues" is time I spend doing whatever the fuck I want, because I set shit up correctly so that it doesn't fuckin break.
>>54107141
>windows 10
>ubuntu
please kill yourself
>>54112450
5.6.2 works fine here, no issues
>>54112492
>Like restarting your Windows servers because you didn't set them up right the first time? Or how about because they're Windows servers and can't be on longer than a couple weeks without losing 50% of their performance?
Nice 90's meme. The only time I need to restart a Windows server is after applying patches.
>I work as a tech on the computer cluster at UCI
So you're a career academic too. Like I said, get a job and come back in a couple years.
>>54112541
:) elements of ubuntu architecture is coming to win10.
>>54112593
>tech at a school
>career academic
oh so you are as stupid as you seem.
Indulge me then, what are these "actual business issues" you work on as an IT team member.
>>54112492
Translation: I've never worked on a production system.
>>54111030
mostly for programming, but sometimes ubuntu just doesnt have shit that you need for whatever obscure reason. its just how it goes.
>>54112648
I provide the tools that make manufacturing, accounting, inventory, shipping and receiving easier to deal with. The business gets more done in less time and everyone prospers. I can spend time troubleshooting open source hipster shit that imitates a fundamental native Windows function poorly or I can stand up a Windows VM in 5 minutes and move on to testing a new LOB application that will help the company move more volume.
Go play in your cushy educational environment and continue soaking up resources without contributing anything back.
I installed Ubuntu MATE on my test machine tonight. Had a little difficulty getting it actually installed but it may have been my shitty flash drive.
>>54112492
>tech on a computer cluster
praying for your sake that you are going to school at uci too. you are in a job as dead end as a security guard
>I work with Linux systems all day
go outside and get some sun faggot
>>54112716
>IT guy
>doesn't soak up resources without contributing anything back
you are good at making your job seem more important than it is
you're one step from unskilled labor, and pajeet of his designated shitting street can squat upwards and do your job
>>54108908
Pretty funny
>>54112571
Thx, will try it with the LTS release.
I'm a new fag to Linux in general, trying to get my external sound card to work with it by following guides and doing terminal shit.
Can I fucking turn off these "permission" shit? There is not more frustrating than trying to follow guides and the terminal not letting me do stuff because I need permission. Fuck man, how do I turn this shit off?
>>54109159
>159â–¶
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raspberry pi 3.
>>54113743
If you are looking for a less secure system, windows is a very good choice
>>54113743
>Can I fucking turn off these "permission" shit?
Let's just pretend the answer to that is "no". Anything else would be a terrible idea.
>There is not more frustrating than trying to follow guides and the terminal not letting me do stuff because I need permission. Fuck man, how do I turn this shit off?
What are you actually doing? If your running into permissions issues that's a sign that something has gone wrong, not a barrier you need to push through.
>>54113743
And here I was trying to implement RBAC (Role based access control)
Why do people not care about security?
>>54113844
>>54113854
>>54113878
"le security" meme getting abused, this is just frustration and making people think linux is inferior with how fucking retardedly hard everything is to do.
>>54106994
>Linux for human beings with jobs and girlfriends
>"If you want to upgrade, a clean installation is recommended, so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud and then install Ubuntu 16."
get fucked
>>54109519
Aching Asshole
>>54114073
You are implying it is not possible to login as a fucking root, fucklard
>>54114073
>"le security" meme
If it's ok for you, that anybody can install and change stuff on your system, please go back to windows.
If not, learn how to use your status as Admin.
>>54107557
Wrong. The distro's name is Ubuntu Linux, not Ubuntu GNU/Linux.
Also, Linux is a registered trademark, why shouldnt it be called Linux?
>>54111082
Windows server problems are fixed by restarting. Linux server problems are fixed by not restarting in the first place
>>54114073
>"le security" meme getting abused
>"I don't care about my privacy anyways"
lol ok
>>54109159
It is tho. Hdmi, sound, igpu won't work. Power saving stuff is a buggy nightmare, also.
>>54106994
>put all your valuable stuff on the cloud
mfw
>>54106994
>clean installation recommended
>on a debian based distro in 20-fucking-16
>put your stuff on DA KLAUD
Please stop using GNU/Linux and fuck off back to windows or OSX
>>54114771
another fag falling for an old copypasta
>>54107557
makes me chuckle every time.
>>54106994
>put all your valuable stuff on the cloud
do you want to jail me? nice try fbi
>>54116057
>>54106994
>so put all your valuable stuff on the cloud
What the fuck did you jsut say to me you little bitch???
>use winblows 2012 as homeserver because wintard
>finally get sick of their shit
>get sick of not having flexibility
>finally drop myself in the deep end and install ubuntu server without gui
>takes me a couple of days but managed to set up everything via terminal
>get to know commands and the filesystem structure etc
>now just use webmin if I have to do something
>just fucken werks
If only I made the switch a decade ago holy shit. It's really fucking worth it and if I can do it anyone can because I've been a wintard since 95.
>>54106994
Are clean installs really that necessary? I just installed 15.10 the other day...
Going to install Xubuntu on my laptop.
Should i install the Beta 2 version of 16, install 14 then upgrade (if this is even possible), or just wait untill 16 is officially released?
>>54117871
You can upgrade relatively safely from 15.10, it's the last LTS (14.04) you shouldn't.
>>54117990
Honestly I don't think Jimmy's "confession" would be taken seriously
He could just say he was fearful for Chuck's life, and after seeing all that tinfoil shit, he just went and said whatever makes him feel better, because he is a good brother (documented and proven by how he stayed in the hospital)
If anything, Chuck's gonna make an even bigger fool of himself, and people already think he is a lunatic douche
>>54118052
Better call /tv/
>>54118052
How much and what should be backed up from a clean install?
Can I just reinstall the packages, restore the config files and I'm good to go or what?
>>54109923
Just use XFCE and be done with it. Seriously. As someone who swore by GNOME2, I went with LXDE then XFCE and haven't regretted it since. Unity and KDE is bloated shit and MATE Cinnamon are just knockoffs.
>>54118492
are you me?
Is there a way to backup my OS drive while its mounted and running?
>>54118492
i3?
>>54106994
>all my valuable stuff
>on the cloud
>installing Ucuntu
>being this Indian
>>54118517
Yes. Yes I am. Why do you ask?
>>54118574
No, unmounting is simple though and takes 10 mins max
>>54118596
If you're into that sort of thing go for it. It's a step above running straight CLI.
>>54118574
No, run a liveCD/USB and do your stuff from there.
Why should I want to update?
To eat bugs?
>>54120156
Same here i'm waiting at least 3 months to upgrade.
what advantage does ubuntu give over KDE?
