when will we reach this level of VR?
> 50 years
> 100 years
> 200 years
> 500 years
> 1000 years
once we do there will be no point in living
>>54097319
you'll still need to keep your brain alive to experience the vr
If you kidnap a girl and force her to live in a small room you can pretend that it is VR everytime you walk in.
>>54097306
We're not very good at predicting the future. Especially really specific technology applications. We were supposed to have flying cars and explore space by now. But turns out they weren't very practical.
My guess is VR will advance pretty quickly though. Because we've clearly demonstrated we desperately seek escapism by how large the movie and gaming industries have become.
>>54097352
no Austrians allowed on /g/
>>54097306
never. due to fundamental power consumption limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landauer's_principle
>>54097400
Yeah sci fi has really mislead us. Looks like we are going to have AI, replicators, and fusion power before we even make it to Mars.
-150 years
>>54097416
quantum computing
What if you're already in one anon? Think about it. The only thing you can absolutely certain about is that you exist, and that you're self aware. Everything else is just you being a slave to your senses, which can be easily fooled, as demonstrated by dreams. Sleep tight.
>>54097446
quantum computing can't cheat entropy
>>54097485
Even if we are it doesn't matter. Because we could never escape it.
>>54097486
Did you read your wiki?
It says current computers are like a million times away from this limitation with power efficiency. It has no bearing.
>>54097306
would eat steak for hours
>>54097497
What if the only way to escape it was to end your life in the simulation? Suicide is victory over your mind. It's you asserting your free will to the degree of going against your very survival instinct.
>>54097528
Then I highly suggest you go first.
>>54097306
Install Gentoo
>>54097497
But you log out all the time. It wouldn't be very good vr if you were able to remember that it was vr, would it? Actually, it looks like your due for your next automated log out in 32 minutes. Enjoy the rest of your simulation.
T. Your ai assistant
>>54097537
You getting defensive is you giving into your biological instincts. You're proving that you're just a mere puppet willing to cuck yourself for the simulation to ass fuck you anytime it wants. I want salvation for us all. Not just me.
>>54097528
This is not a new argument. It actually is very old. Commonly used by cults.
>>54097505
> It says current computers are...
op's question is not about current computers
>>54097306
We could probably replicate the visuals within 10-20 years.
The sensory simulation within 50 years.
The substance level particle simulation within 100 years.
The continuous world scale 100-200 years.
>>54097606
The point being that comuters can be a million times more efficient. This allows for future progress without issue.
Then again 1000 years is impossible to predict.
>>54097643
Ray tracing please leave
>>54097643
>We could probably replicate the visuals within 10-20 years
no fucking way. don't know if you heard, but Moore's law is dying, because of heat dissipation limits.
>>54097645
> ...This allows for future progress without issue.
nigga you NEVER go full retard!
>>54097693
All it takes is for them to get their heads around sli/crossfire.
Nevermind a purpose built supercomputer.
>>54097713
What? Are you high? Dude brought up an issue and the link with their evidence showed how it wasn't an issue. Maybe I'm stupid, but fuck this shit. Good night.
20 years. By selectively turning off parts of your brain, we can make you think that you are experiencing a crazy in depth virtual experiencing. Except that you are really in an artificially induced fit of mental illness.
Never. Just like how we'll never have "hyper drive" bullshit.
>>54097401
Australians*
Wild guess is 100 years
I really hope it will be within my lifetime but I kind of doubt it unless we incidentally also discover some good life extension techniques
>>54097306
What level? The guy is just eating some steak.
>>54100951
Actually he's just looking at some steak
I think humanity will die before such thing happens
>>54100951
ignorance is bliss
>>54100951
He did nothing wrong since their real apocalyptic existence was another component of the matrix anyway.
>>54097421
Kinda makes sense though. We probably need all those things to reliably travel any real long distances.
>>54097401
Fritzl did VR way before Palmer...
>>54100855
Fuck off cunt.
>>54101368
this
>>54097306
Just do drugs. I mean that's what VR will be in the future anyways - just nano machines you take in a pill that will fuck with your perception - "reality" - for a few hours.
TOMATO OR DD-WRT?
>>54097306
200-500
If the universe can't run on the universe, then how does the universe literally run the universe?
If you die in the matrix you die IRL. Until VR can end you, we will never reach those levels.
There's no need to simulate what can't be experienced.
In ~2 years we will see consumer grade PCs that can do flawless *visual* VR for a single person.
Give a handful of years for each more sense, and you have a small, low power, consumer grade fully immersive VR.
If a tree falls in the woods and there's no one to experience it - it didn't happen.
Networking is a whole different paradigm, but I'm gonna go with 50 years for single-player matrix.
>>54101900
>In ~2 years we will see consumer grade PCs that can do flawless *visual* VR for a single person.
nope. I've worked in 3d graphics for 6 years and you're so far off
>>54101900
>In ~2 years we will see consumer grade PCs that can do flawless *visual* VR for a single person.
I think you forgot a 0
Well, if humans are born into the Matrix, they will never have seen anything else, so the machines could just have run some low-res shit without anyone knowing better.
>>54101939
>>54101958
Huh? We already manage real-time photorealism on lower resolutions.
Just scale it up. How hard can it be?
>inb4 it's far from photorealism
I don't give two fucks, if it's indistinguishable for me than how can I tell?
I'm betting 2x4k@60 will be enough to the point where it will require tons of focus to be able to tell a difference.
>>54097432
I see what u did there.
>>54097306
The best way to achieve it would be to somehow suppress our thoughts and memories of the "real world".
If you had no knowledge of what real life was supposed to be like, a 2D sidescroller strapped to your head would be good enough. Not only that, but the experience would be more intense because you wouldn't know you were playing a game. (This is why I feel like real life is just a really hardcore video game.)
If we have to compare it to real life then we have a long way to go.
>>54102004
>Huh? We already manage real-time photorealism on lower resolutions.
Feel free to show a picture
>>54102004
>Just scale it up. How hard can it be?
Exponential slowdown for diminishing returns
>>54102004
>Huh? We already manage real-time photorealism on lower resolutions.
a still copy of an image with raytracing != flawless vr.
>>54097693
Once die shrinks stop It'll move toward power efficiency.
You can pack all that into a single cubic unit with less cooling equipment and more compute volume.
>>54102077
>Once die shrinks stop It'll move toward power efficiency.
Die shrinks are what gives rise to lower power efficiency
>>54102050
>Feel free to show a picture
If I do, then this discussion will go down to opinions, because what is photorealism to me is already manageable in real-time on $1000 rigs.
>inb4 this is not photorealism
I inb4'd that in my previous post - if it's photorealistic to me, then why should I care if it's not """really""" photorealistic?
And even if that's not good enough - I still went with 50 years estimation.
That's gotta be enough to cover the definition of "photorealism" of 95% of world's population.
Likely enough to catch your definition of photorealism, too.
>>54102073
So the today's overhyped VR is still images then? Also
>implying you need raytracing for photorealism
Approximation is your friend. The end-goal is to *fool people* into believing what they are seeing is real, not simulating particle physics.
>>54101500
It doesn't make sense though. It isn't logical that before we set foot on the nearest planet that we have tech like that. Maybe Earth is just too big and the high gravity isn't normal.
>>54097324
I think what >>54097319 's room temp IQ was trying to imply was that there'd be no point in living in what humans currently recognize as reality.
>>54102211
>>implying you need raytracing for photorealism
>>54097416
Oh hey, I can pull random, semi-relevant theories out of my ass, too.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle
The reason that a reality-identical virtual reality is not only a possibility but it's destiny is not impossible by some complicated principle about the absolute limits of computing or a theoretical correlation between data and thermodynamics, it's because the limited senses that humans utilize every instant they are alive are already very easy to fool with technology we already have.
>>54102211
No game's graphics have ever fooled anybody into thinking it's real.
>>54102465
/thread
>>54102465
Exactly. We manage to fool ourselves every night when dreaming, and all that's needed is just some lousy hormones in right amounts.
Brains is technology = we already have the technology.
Endgame VR will be more neurology than electronics, we just have to tame it.
What if going to sleep is us logging out of this world and our dreams are us seeing glimpses of what happened in our player's life when they reconnect to this simulation.
>>54103176
Then both my lives are terrible
>>54097306
I've played this game.... what level is this ?
>>54102591
have u played flight sim ... some guys in 2001 made is close to real
>>54102814
>Exactly. We manage to fool ourselves every night when dreaming, and all that's needed is just some lousy hormones in right amounts.
the brain stores what you see and then plays it back, randomly.
>>54097306
Never
>thinking movies can predict the future
>>54103469
Doesn't matter what "plays".
We're convinced it's real at the time, even despite glaring lacks in realism.
Trigger this "believe everything you see is real" state externally through use of drugs or w/e, grab a VR set and enjoy the experience.
Imagination will fill in all the holes.
It's 100% hypothetical now - true. But, like it or not, it's a clue.
>>54097306
To make a simulation that is equal to everyday life in realism, you would need a computer with the same power and resources as the universe itself has.
>>54103539
>To make a simulation that is equal to everyday life in realism, you would need a computer with the same power and resources as the universe itself has.
what happened with never going full retard ?
many russians already do
>>54103473
Everything can predict future. I can predict future right now and it may prove to be true. Why not movies?
>>54097319
At this point humanity probably will be able to go full cyborg (like brain + robot body) so humans will become semi-gods and they will finally be able to travel through our galaxy.
>>54103830
No, vlad. Taking krokodil and vodka until you think you're in the matrix does not count as vr.
Never
>>54104450
The sheer distance between stars would still make it impractical, if not impossible
>>54104958
Believe in moving the space around you.
>>54097416
except the matrix wasn't a perfect simulation. It was a very very flawed approximation. They kinda show this off a lot in the movies.
>>54104987
I'll believe it when we can do it. Right now, there's no way to make a time-space bubble (or anything else) that allows us anything like FTL travel.
>>54101398
On one hand he did help them out a lot before he wanted back into the matrix... then he kinda snapped and killed everyone.
>>54105129
We need to somehow get ridiculous amounts of energy first. That and somehow surpass Einstein, that faggot has been laughing at us for 100 years.
>>54102004
>>54101939
Even on raytraced images that take 10 hours to render, people can tell the difference.
Video is even worse...
>>54103469
>the brain stores what you see and then plays it back, randomly.
this is the future, pic related
>>54097306
never, augmented reality is going to surpass VR as a superior technology.
>>54104958
>>54105129
You don't need FTL travel to colonize a galaxy.
Sure, you'll never be able to reach other galaxies, but stars are not that far away. If you can build a slower spaceship that can sustain a generation or two (which is relatively easy compared to near-lightspeed travel) you can reach exoplants.
Assuming we could have the technology required for exoplanet colonization, you could realistically colonize the entire galaxy in just a few million years.
once we stop making retarded fps games with fucking hitscan
>>54097416
You don't render the entire universe, just a few hundred yards of it at a time, think holodeck.
Perhaps no race in the universe ever really does achieve intergalactic travel. If you can make a VR space as real as reality, why bother with reality? Perhaps the most advanced races in the universe are just uploaded consciousnesses. In a VR universe you could travel anywhere instantly and if it is as real as reality, whats the difference?
peak oil will crippe the world soon, money will be invested otherwise.
who cares. i can go buy a badass steak right now and im not even rich.
>>54104785
Fucking kek
Daily reminder that we already did, and you are experiencing it.
when your weed is at least this dank
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>>54109319
Hadn't some probabilistic argument been made that reasoned that if you're conscious, you're probably in a simulation, because every "true" universe can produce multiple simulations, which in turn can each produce multiple simulations of their own, so there will always be more simulated universes to experience than true ones.
For example, when humanity gets advanced enough, we might produce an enormous supercomputer that generate a very large number of consciousnesses experiencing simulated universes. It's totally conceivable, if consciousness can just arise from physical processes then the task is one of engineering. Then, if you're conscious, you're probably in a simulation.
>>54104958
perhaps when our applied science is developed enough to take advantage of more exotic physics?
>>54097485
You and your Rene Descartes bullshit can fuck off. Following that argument you believe that God exists and he'd never deceive you so the world exists as is.
>>54109451
We can already make 1mW CPU that can simulate 100k neurons, if we can make that there is no doubt someone made us the same way.
If we're in a simulated universe, then we're not the target of the simulation but rather an accidental byproduct.
If you need convincing, just look at the universe. The sheer scale of it, the ridiculous complexity, the intricacies of quantum mechanics. All the quirks and oddly explain phenomenon. All the theoretical paradoxes and higher-dimensional formulations.
If somebody was trying to simulate earth for the sake of observing, say, human society - none of that staggeringly complexity should matter. Ergo, assuming they exist, they are almost certainly not interested in us.
>>54097306
The chance that we're already in one is greater than the chance that we aren't.
>>54109451
Yes, it's been made:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis#Simulation_argument
>>54097319
There's no point in living now.
>>54097566
I don't know how to word it because I'm dumb, but true vr could have time work like in Narnia.
we need a box that becomes a suit and makes all the pipes work then we can live in vr
>>54097306
50 years maybe, probably a little less.
If there's one thing that humans are good at overestimating how long it will take to advance, it's consumer electronics.
>>54109451
>tfw the thirteenth floor
>>54097324
VR brains
>>54097306
i give it 5 maybe ten years
>>54097306
100 years ago
>>54109451
you got me fucked up senpai
>>54109451
>when humanity gets advanced enough, we might produce an enormous supercomputer that generate a very large number of consciousnesses experiencing simulated universes
>implying we aren't already in a Matrix
>creating Matrix in a Matrix - Matrixception!
>>54097306
i reckon by about 1999
![0HflGRS-1280x720[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/GhRhVGW.jpg "0HflGRS-1280x720[1].png")
>>54102591
http://imgur com/gallery/ib8nW
>>54097306
It doesn't matter because the climate is completely fucked and we will be out of fresh water by then anyway. And if you're on the coast don't bother stocking up because you'll be underwater anyway.
>>54097306
Even Avalon-level or Palahniuk's Rant-level VR would already be hardcore
Imagine the malware with which you could infect people
>makeup tutorial
>brainwash gazillions of vapid sluts into wanting your cock
>get a town-sized harem
>>54116355
>Adding shittons of ringing and blur to cover up how low-res the textures are somehow makes it more realistic
Yeah, idk. I'm not this easily convinced.
>>54116422
Make a blind test with your parents/friends or some not-gamer and ask them if is a photo from the last sw or a game.
I'm pretty sure 99% of people will be fooled.
>>54098167
nsa confirmed this.
you dont know how expandable the words are used in this phrasing.
>>54101900
dis is correct. the technologic capacity is given the code probably already written. there must be only debugging and cost adaption for the masses to be done.
our ancestors rose up to the horrors man could do to man.
we will raise up to the horrors technology can do to man.
imagine, how many times can you be burned alive in vr until your mental capacity collapses?
>>54101939
for who did you work for?
>>54116422
it's stylized like the films senpai
>>54105428
exactly how modern computer graphics work
>>54097306
would you say 10 million?
>>54111117
>111117
>There's no point in living now.
For you
>>54111117
Yes there is, it's inventing the perfect VR simulation
>>54097306
>implying we aren't in a simulation now.
>>54111366
Just don't piss off Max and you'll be fine.
>>54117453
Fuck, why did I get a slight panic attack reading this?
>>54117453
fucking barry, astronaut and troll.
>>54097306
Why is never not an option?
Did you already know which one I'd choose?
>>54097306
its basically a controlled lucid dream so not unlit we get body mind interfaces perfected and 3way+ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain%E2%80%93computer_interface
>>54097432
This
/thred
>>54097306
it doesn't have anything to do with VR. it's just some cheap nonsensical sci-fi made by mentally ill SJWs
>>54111117
>>54103469
You've never had a lucid dream, have you?
We will never get it because you dumb fucking Millennials are too bitchy and lazy to do any work.
Expect Armageddon in the coming decade with Genx cleaning up on the Millennial trash.
