So I'm planning to regularly back up my data by burning it into DVDs.
My issues right now is how to store the DVDs and get the longest shelf life out of them in the most efficient space. I'm very sure that plastic sleeves inside a plastic chest under my bed and over my closet are not the best place to put them.
I know they won't last forever so I also plan to move the date from old drives to new drives cyclicaly but still I want to store them properly.
A minor issue will be how to schedule the back ups and how to orgazine them.
On DVDs? Why?
>>54039533
It's the only thing on my budget, I know other media is better but I don't have the money.
>>54039594
if you can't afford better then dvd's what do you have thats so important to back up?
>>54039615
Original works, as in text or images I've made are a must
Books (in pdf or epub) I read a lot and from my experience pirated books have a very short time before they vanish
Other files like music or movie won't be so hard to remplace but I still want to back it up.
Why don't you just buy another HDD?
>>54039775
Because they have a short life spand and making more copies than just the same files on two hard drives is safer.
>>54039913
How much data?
How many redundant copies?
>>54039913
>What is RAID
>>54039968
Right now 400GB
Dunno about redundancy
>>54040079
RAID is not for backup.
>>54040207
You are retarded.
>>54039751
Literally what the fuck do you do to make your files "vanish". Also, just create a MEGA account and store your shit there.
>>54040268
I mean they have a limited circulation time.
If you don't download them the moment you see them you won't have a chance again for a very long time.
>>54040255
its not backup anon
>>54040207
RAID 1 is perfectly fine for long term storage of files. It's not ideal, but it has redundancy in case of hard drive failure and works just fucking fine for an average consumer.
OP doesn't need enterprise-tier back ups, and RAID 1 has the benefit keeping even the most recent files he adds redundant on the mirrored drive, unlike DVDs which he'd have to periodically update.
OP, just make a RAID 1 array with two 1tb drives.
In fact, if you're lazy, just back up your shit onto two separate drives, and keep one in a safe place. A HDD kept cool, dry and in an ESD bag will easily last decades - you have more to fear from obsolescence.
>>54040207
Hi Louis, I liked your new video posted yesterday
>>54039496
Hey anon, try dumpster diving or buy an old trashed laptop for parts. I'm sure you can find an old laptop with a 500 gig hard drive. Now buy yourself a 5$ external usb enclosure for laptop harddrives.
Now put the hard drive somewhere really cool and dark, it will last a really long time or until you've got enough money to get a better backup solution.
Burning 400much gigs of dvd's doesn't sound like a good idea. Too much time and effort.
>>54039496
DVDs degrade over time, they'll last a very long time while still working because of their redundancy, but they're really inconvenient.
Using a RAID/HDD based solution is more expensive, but easier to look after. Set up a backup server, you don't need expensive hardware to do this, just get a crappy old desktop and stick multiple hard drives in there. You don't need hardware RAID. This is more expensive than DVDs but infinitely more convenient, and it will probably be cheaper overall in 10 years time.
>>54039496
blue ray disks :^)
>>54039496
What?! Just buy an external HDD for like $40-50, max
>>54042540
>>54042839
>>54043055
If I had the money I will go for the HDDs, hell I rather go for magnetic tapes but all of that is all of my range.
I already have a DVD burner and a stack of DVDs isn't that expensive.
>>54043163
use floppy disks desu senpai
Backing up to DVD sounds good. Keep being stupid.
Typical /g/ thinking every consumer needs to be using some crazy nasa solution for such a simple problems
You have DVDs? Use them.
Burn all of your shit on to them and store them in cases in a stable-ish environment. No rapid temperature changes, no crazy humidity and they'll outlast you.
I've still got CDs from when I was a kid that I put through world war fucking 3 and they still work like new.
>>54043312
How HDD's are a NASA solution? They're fucking cost effective and significant less work than burning DVDs.
>>54044638
>cost effective
>>54044638
>>54042839
>>54043163
So the OP has a stack of dvds laying around, we shouldnt they use them? Honestly I think that it is an excellent way to store data over an HDD. Especially if you want to use that dvd to house pirated software. It is a sure fire way to pass pirated materials to a close friend without a paper trail. The power of knowledge thru ebooks and good software archived on a dvd that can be passed around like an std is better than an HDD that you hog to urself.
who needs 2TB of data? Why do you need to host all that shit?
go back to /v/
>>54039533
because i ran out of laserdiscs
>>54040183
>almost 100 single layer DVDs to back up
I know you said you don't have the budget but seriously just save a few dollars for a BluRay burner and some discs. A 25-pack of single layer 25GB discs plus a burner shouldn't cost you more than 75 bucks.
>>54045174
OP never said he had a stack of DVDs. He only said "I'm planning". He also said he has 400GB of data to back up.
>>54040818
thank you, I have more mothaboids coming in to repair on camera soon.
>>54045174
A 16GB flash drive costs $10 at Walmart these days. DVDs make no fucking sense, especially considering the flash drive can be reused.
Buy some Micro SD cards.
>>54045326
It's something that you use 1000s of times, and then burns out. also, those are easy to lose. How many have you found just laying around in public?
But you're one to somethin. If you are a cheap fag, you could aquire these flashdrives for free, and put them on a keychain.
I suppose that would be better than dvd's for distribution.
>>54039496
http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/pub121.pdf
There you go, OP.
I back up to DVD too and keep one copy in my basement and one in my desk at work.
>>54039751
google drive
/thread
>>54045106
I hope this is bait.
The best-selling pack of DVDs on Amazon (http://amzn.com/B00081A2KY) is $10.80 for 50 4.7GB disks. That's about $0.05/GB.
The best-selling Seagate hard drive on Amazon (http://amzn.com/B005T3GRNW) costs $47.99 and holds 1TB of data. Rounding, that's $0.04/GB. Note that that 1TB is in one continuous place -- not scattered across a bunch of disks.
So if you're implying that DVDs somehow offer more value/data for your dollar, you're dead wrong.
>>54045421
Actually my rounding is off here, but you get the idea. At best, the price is the same.
DVDs aren't worth the effort.
>>54040292
Join a private tracker.
>>54045421
>Note that that 1TB is in one continuous place -- not scattered across a bunch of disks.
um, how is this a good thing? if something goes wrong, you lose 1TB of data. If you have a defective DVD, that's only 4.7GB lost.
>>54045485
Every time you go outside you get scared from the potential of getting skin cancer from exposure under sun rays?
>>54045485
OP is storing books and images and shit.
No matter how you spread those out across 100+ discs, finding one (or storing one) is going to be more of a pita than just using a hard drive.
>>54045485
You'll probably have all your DVDs in one place, so there is a chance that they will all get destroyed at once as well. Unless you scatter them across the earth
>>54045394
>http://www.clir.org/pubs/reports/pub121/pub121.pdf
This is the kid of stuff that is worth saving!
>>54039533
Your most valuable data is probably the smallest. Family photos, documents, code, etc. All that fits perfectly in DVDs.
>>54039496
Refrigered salt mine.
Archivate your data with strong password
Upload it on free storage you have:
mega - 50 gb
google - 15 gb
onedrive - 5 gb
Not sure how much drop box offers.
>>54045332
micro SDs aren't really worth the price for the space. They are good for cheap little storage but not as much as OP needs
OP here, befoe I go to bed I have to say something
I didn't release all my data will take up so many DVDs, this plan is no longer viable.
Most alternatives that have been suggested are only good in the short term, I nedd LONG term solutions, like to archive something for a decade minimum.
My best bet is to save for a Blue Ray burner and follow >>54045394 like the bible.
>>54039496
get a bluray burner cunt so you don't have to store as many discs
>>54045394
Damn thats good got any more similair ebooks?
>>54040255
>Data gets silently corrupted two weeks ago
>"I know, I'll just restore from my RAID backup! Oh wait..."
>>54047261
zfs raid protects from silent corruption, your argument is invalid
>all this retards using HDD's for cold storage
Will /g/ ever learn?
>>54046832
DVD's are the only proven consumer solution for long term cold storage, HTL BD's in theory would outlast a lot DVD's, they're more cost effective too, the other proven solution is tapes
Good luck finding good HTL BD's though, everyone sells LTH crap, the same happens with DVD's, finding nice MCC MID DVD's is getting quite hard
Also get a decent burner, decent doesn't mean the most expensive one though, iirc the Pioneer's were the best to burn BD's, but I could be wrong, check the Myce optical media forums
>>54047427
Your main storage isn't a backup tard', that's his point
Yes, you can have some ZFS pool and backup to that, but it's quite more time consuming to maintain hot/active storage
>>54047427
Does ZFS protect from rm -rf ~/path to file
>>54047648
yes, if you use zfs's snapshot functionality
>>54039496
I was considering doing this a little while ago, but realised that HDDs are about the same price/GB but more convenient and reliable
Alternatively, I believe blank BDs are the cheapest storage right now
>>54045174
>an HDD
Go back to school
