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-If you dislike a headphone suggestion, try giving a better suggestion to whomever asked instead of going "hurr, brand x sucks"
-If you see someone getting mad for no appearent reason, heavily shilling/bashing a brand/reviewer etc, just ignore it.
-Feel free to share your headphones/setup and talk from personal experience, but try to couple your subjective opinions with objective data if the discussion asks for it.
-Feel free to suggest headphones that you think should be in a new guide for /hpg/
>/g/ wiki headphone FAQ:
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Headphones
Previous Thread:
>>54020701
>>54031331
Too bad nobody reads the OP.
Should I get TTPOD T1s or Xiaomi Piston 3s?
>>54031345
This is why I watch zeos, because he BTFO placebophiles like yourself.
>>54031351
Zeos says TTPOD T1s.
https://youtu.be/WwC1HBlnW0M
>>54031345
You did, it's a start.
>>54031397
Yes but I'm a shitposter because I have Sennheiser headphones, so I don't count.
>>54031411
Stop shilling.
>>54031374
but the piston 3s he had could be fakes
What do you guys think of metal571's youtube channel?
>>54031251
Thank god I didn't share the same taste with reddit approved reviewer.
>>54031529
Perfection
>>54031539
Digging the steampunk aesthetic of those in-ears.
>>54031539
That means you bought garbage.
>>54030651
We should make more of these, /hpg/ has lost too many good habits in this last two years.
>>54031580
But I only have memephones.
>>54031557
The black ones is aesthetically better. But yeah, I really dig it.
>>54031580
/zrg/ has vastly improved over the past few days though.
>>54031529
Not as good as Zeos.
>>54031599
zrg?
>>54031578
Who cares...
>>54031592
Who cares, show some pride of owning your stuff.
>>54031599
I never mind a new meme, it keeps things fresh for old timers.
>>54031624
Zeos Reviews General.
>>54031595
Dunno, the black ones are a bit more boring. Seems like they're cheaper though?
Can anyone recommend me headphones with fast bass. Under 1000, keep it modest here, I'm no audiophile.
>>54031624
Fucking Zerg are everywhere...
>>54031650
Yes. About ~$100 cheaper. Different lineup though.
>>54031666
Audeze LCD 2.2
>>54031666
LCD-2 the fastest of fast bass.
>>54031689
>>54031695
So I have an Audi R8 and it can hit 60 in 3.4 seconds. I blast the Tokyo drift sound track and its about the fastest bass you will hear. Obviously I can't be smoking Mustang owners all day so I need these headphones to have the best 1/4 mile fast bass times. Got any data on thes
Are bone conduction headphones worth while? I can hear less volume in my left ear and also less details will this fix it?
>>54031740
You should start from listening to superior eurobeat track to feels the speed m8. [spoiler]:^)[/spoiler]
>>54031758
Try the k7xx, they'll be sure to rattle your bones, in fact they rattle on their own.
>>54031740
Inital LCD has the fastest bass and smoothest bass drift into the midrange.
lol, shitposting in this thread is actually smarter than usual, who'd think Op trying to be constructive would make you guys actually try to raise the bar for once.
>>54031778
>Wood
>Fast
Nice try. Initial HD800 is faster.
>>54031839
But thats wrong. Woods in general is lighter. Hence it need less effort to gotta go fast.
>>54031839
Magnets, faggot.
>>54031331
from the top of my mind, plenty are missing.
>50 or under
HD681
HD668B
HD-681 Evo
Koss Porta Pro
>100 or under
AD700X
HD558
MDR V6/7506
ATH-M40X
>Over 100
AD900X
DT770
DT990
>200 or above
HD600
DT880
K702
Fidelio X2
HE400s
>>54031875
>Implying HD800 isn't a wielder of magnets
Dumb woodfag.
>>54031839
>>54031865
Step aside cuntbags.
The REAL fast bass drift King is here.
>sporting carbon fiber headband for 50% weight reduction.
>premium leather for a comfy ride when I'm taking your girl on a ride
>double fluxor magnet arrays for that dirt nasty low suspension.
>1.5 Tesla for the fastest bass times
>mahogany because it gives the bass good timber
How can dynamics compete?
>>54031950>>mahogany because it gives the bass good timber
>timber
I laughed.
>>54031666
>fast bass
There is no such thing. Bass is by definition slow.
>>54031940
It doesn't have patent pending Fazor elements, does it? Got you there, paintedplasticfag.
>>54031970
>His headphones aren't fast
How are you enjoying your loose, slow, no drift headphones?
>>54031979
Silver like Accelerator. Bass vectors directed straight into your ear with an actual angled driver and not fake angled pads.
It's ironic that Sennheiser and Beyerdynamics both advertise drifting performance with their HardDrift and DriftTrack series of headphones but we all know dynamic headphones don't have that fast bass.
>>54032033
>HardDrift and DriftTrack series
kek, oh god, my sides
>>54032033
you know their model number represent their top speeds right?
>lcd-4 can only go 4km/h
>hd 800 can go 800km/h
>dt 990 can go 990 km/h
checkmate slowfag
>>54032057
>only 990km
Heh, I'm sitting here with my Auditechnica AllDrift2000Xs laughing at your fast bass times.
>INB4 Auditechnicas have no bass
It doesn't show on the graphs because Tyll's set up can measure bass this fast.
>>54032014
Yes but the Audeze Ruggedized Military-Grade Professional Travel Case with ultra-high-strength polypropylene copolymer makes it so that you can have fast bass anywhere, anytime. Meanwhile, the Slowheiser HD800 only has a pathetic "hard case". Absolutely useless.
>>54032087
Can't *
>>54032087
>unreliable ricer japshit
lol
>>54032057
>>54032087
Faggots, my Sony goes about 6x the speed of sound.
All you slowfags can't top the MrSpeakers Ether with Vroom-Planar™ surface processing, DUM (Drifting Ultimate Machine) and NiTronol "memory metal" filling the vast reaches of space with bass the speed of light.
How can you fags even compete?
>>54032168
>NiTronol
>>54032167
>>54032168
Your ears can't hear bass that fast, idiots.
>>54032214
Are you impaired or something? Go back to Etymotic.
>>54032168
Now that's fast.
>all these dynamic babbys
>all these fazor pleabians
Kids at play. Only grown ups know that the fastest bass comes from having real power. Pic related, it's my 1964 V8, that's right V8. 4 of those Vs are dedicated for pure adrenaline pumping fast bass action. It's even got CenterDrive™ technology, what does that mean? I don't fucking know, all I know it's that it keeps me stable while drifting.
>>54032343
>It's even got CenterDrive™ technology, what does that mean?
It means it can't drift for shit because it can only go straight. No point in having fast bass if you can't drift into mids. Must be disgustingly boomy.
>>54032168
The Fidelio X2 is still 2x faster.
>>54032437
>speed of light
>still 2x faster.
Dumb philipsposter.
>>54032343
>babbys
babies
>>54030973
>RHA cable quality
>>54031539
Who cares who approves them, if you like them that is all that fucking matters, cure your god damned autism people.
could v-moda detachable cable be used as aux cable, so that i could play music trought aux in my car from phone?
I need advice for two purchases:
Are there any decent but cheap earbuds out there? My budget is pretty low, something from $10 to $20, getting them from Amazon. I don't really care about comfort and I listen to a bit of everything, but I wouldn't mind a decent bass. Past earbuds were the ones that came with my Moto X and by god they are awful
Second one: Does anyone have any recommendations for M50 replacement pads? Mine have begun to tear up. They also kinda smell weird because I used them without fully drying my hair
>>54034201
RPHJE120
http://www.amazon.com/ATH-M50-PADS-VELVET-ATH-M50RD-ATH-M50WH-ATH-M50xBL-ATH-M50xWH/dp/B00F2ZM6CS
Comfy velour but will pick up a bit of dust.
>>54034201
Seconding RP HJE120.
>>54034201
That's the worst Miku I've seen.
I don't know a proper place to ask this, but what's the best beginner dj controller? Of course looking to minimize budget while i'm still doing my first steps.
cheap but reliable amp that can give 48V to a bm-800 microphone?
Has anybody ever tried reversing their stereo channels before? I've been re-litsening to my old favourite albums with reversed channels and it sounds entirely different. I can't tell if my hearing's just better in one ear or what
When in the hell did the Pioneer SE-A1000 just completely get sold out on amazon?
>>54034726
https://www.steinberg.net/en/products/audio_interfaces/ur_series/models/ur22mkii.html ?
>>54031529
>metal571
He could do with scripting his videos, and breathing more deeply. Goes around in circles and mumbles too much to bother watching his videos.
>>54034726
>>54035242
I have a ur22mkii and using it to play audio from the pc introduces severe constant and frequant jumps and skips. Would not recommend buying one ever.
>>54034274
>>54034314
Thanks for the recommendation, will grab those
Are these pads worth it? They are kinda expensive
>>54034636
Sorry
>>54036436
Why not just find some official audio technica ones and leave the gambling on pads up to zeos shills?
>>54036466
Can I get those on Amazon? I live in the third world, can't find that stuff locally
>>54036089
What about the similar scarlet 2i2?
https://us.focusrite.com/usb-audio-interfaces/scarlett-2i2
>>54031331
>Are these pads worth it? They are kinda expensive
As far as aftermarket stuff go, it's relatively cheap. Velour is definitely worth it.
>>54031331
Why does she have her hands over the drivers like that? It destroys the sound completely since they're open
>>54036683
Maybe she just put them on you fucking autist.
>>54036683
>thinking the sound of the q701 can get any worse
>>54037094
>being a massive faggot and sennshill
>>54037146
Who knew a little bit of light banter would set off the AKG shill to this extent.
>>54036683
because it's a drawing?
>>54037094
>>54037146
>>54037183
>low level shitposting
/csg/ here
just so you know, noticed that the HiVi M10's that are up on Massdrop for $89 are on Gearbest for $45 at the moment. Might want to look into it
links are here
>>54037329
valhalla 2 came in coming from magni. holy crap what a difference. bass has more weight and the soundstage seems wider. I only have it at 12'oclock with high gain and it seems perfect. snake oil or not, im happy. sorry for dirty desk
>>54031345
How do you like the HD800S.
I listened to the HD650, 600 and 800 side by side and ended up leaving with a HD800. I want the signature of the 650 with the soundstage and imaging of the 800, is that what the HD800S tries to be?
>>54037998
welcome to the schiit side, got your bimby yet?
Ello
>>54038022
The S is still closer to the 800 than the 650 to me, it just seems like they were trying to make it a bit more tolerable rather than being like the 650. They didn't have a 600 when I went to listen to some headphones a few days ago though. I'm thinking of taking my S in to compare direct since they didn't have them in stock.
>>54037998
Been wanting to try the Valhalla 2 to get a taste of something 'different'. Why do you have that adapter, isn't the socket in the Valhalla a 1/4"?
>>54038068
nah im using a fiio e10 as a DAC. still going to do more research to see if it would be a major upgrade.
Make them/post them.
>>54038124
i use the adapter because i like to switch to my iem for isolation often. just better to leave it in there all the time
>>54038279
Why not leave the adapter on the IEM jack?
>>54038354
because i use my iem for my phone too. dont want to lose the adapter by leaving it around somewhere.
What would be the most bang for the buck amp for high impedance headphones in under 500 range?
>2016
>still using earpads
>>54038484
>399$
Oh hey, are those the new beats?
>>54038480
Schiit stack or O2+ODAC
Other than the ATH-M50s and HD600 and excluding actual good headphones like the SHP9500 and T50RP Mk.3, what are some the most over hyped headphones that sound like shit?
>>54038671
X2. Don't know how the fuck it got in the wall of fame.
>>54038611
How would valhalla and bifrost perform together?(I can get them for 600 in a nearby shop)
>>54038718
No idea either, i guess people think they're getting their money's worth by the amount of metal used.
>>54038671
What is even the point of such question if not to bait people who like the headphones you complimented/bashed?
Any retard can do their own research and find that out.
I figured the impedance was directly tied to a players ability to power the drivers. I've used a couple of DT770's 32 ohm for this reason.
Yesterday I got the HD650's and they seem to be 300 ohm, but my phone is still able to drive these at very reasonable levels, and it's gotten me to wonder wether I've missed something.
Can somebody explain this using pleb terms? I've tried to read up on it but so far I've been unable to make sense of my phone both driving a 32 ohm and a 300 ohm at reasonable levels with no amp involved.
>>54038795
Learn about efficiency instead.
>Budget
$50
>Location
Poland
>Source
Smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
In-ear, on-ear, just no band
>Preferred music
dnb (mostly neurofunk), synthwave (e.g. Perturbator)
>Past headphones
I still love my Creative Aurvana Live!'s
>>54037998
>bass has more weight and the soundstage seems wider
wew
>snake oil or not, im happy
if you insist
>>54038734
they would... perform.
there is no such thing as amplifier and da-converter "pairing" or "matching" and i'd argue the same thing about headphones and amplifiers.
>>54038816
Thanks for the quick reply, Anon, this was exactly what I was looking for.
>>54033366
What the hell did you coat the cables with? Putty?
>>54038951
Sugru
>>54038976
Why did you do that? The cable unit it looks fine.
>>54039023
>The cable unit it looks fine
Well the spots with sugru had damages like the area I have marked with a read circle. It's a rubber outer sheet that breaks.
>>54031331
Will Philips make a SHP 9500 replacement?
>>54037998
>distorted music
>>54038611
schiit
USA USA USA USA
>>54038734
very well. They are literally made for each other. They stack nicely on the desk and sound like ear sex.
> Budget:
around 200 euros
> Location:
Denmark
> Preferred type of headphone:
on-ear, closed
> Comfort:
gonna be wearing these for around 3 hours a day
> Tonal balance:
i like my dt 880's
> Preferred music:
classical, jazz, indie, folk, /mu/ shit
> Past headphones:
i’ve owned the hd 25's earlier, but i returned them. I can get a pair of beyerdynamic t50p for cheap, should i just go for these? Im gonna be using these out of my smartphone
>>54037998
>he paid to have his music distorted
I'm going to start a business of bending and yanking people's cables to introduce static to their systems for that warm vinyl like POP. Anyone here interested?
Bought the AKG K240's yesterday. They're pretty good and a lot nicer than the previous ones I had, the only problem is they leak a little bit.
What's the difference in sound between the T40RP MK3s and the T50RP MK3s?
how are people in this thread so rich..spending nearly thousand dollars on gear seems crazy to me
>>54039664
>how are people in this thread so rich...
They're not. They just have wealthy parents that work a lot for affording expensive gear for their spoiled children.
>>54039734
my step dad bought me some HD800S recently :3
>>54038022
The 800S is an 800 with a helmholtz resonator stuck backwards into the center of the wave guide. A resonator can either amplify or attenuate a specific frequency of sound depending on its orientation, and Senn designed it specifically to reduce the 6~7K spike of the 800. It seemingly also has the side-effect of adding some distortion to the bass, making it seem warmer. Besides that it comes with a balanced cable and is a different color.
It's possible to make your own analog to the resonator with some basic materials, sharp tools and a steady hand, as I did with mine. Because the HD800 is half the price of the 800S where I live, the modding route was a no-brainer, otherwise I might have budgeted for the S just for the balanced cable.
Mod chops a good 5db off that peak I reckon. Not that I had a problem with the sound beforehand, but I was curious about the effects, and immediately the whole range of sound felt more balanced because your attention is no longer fixated on the high frequencies, and does so without veiling or muddying the sound either. Props to the French dude who bought an 800S just to learn what makes it tick and developed the mod.
>>54039664
If you have a job spending $1000 should not hurt you that bad. This isn't the 80's.
just updated this guide, what's still wrong with it?
How the fuck is sennheiser still in business?
>>54039664
put a $20 bill in a jar once a week and in a year you already have a grand to spend on whatever.
I'm not rich, but I can have a lot of the stuff I want because I cut down in other areas that people may often not even realize they're just throwing away cash on.
The gaming kiddies on here don't hesitate to drop like two grand on a gaming PC that will be obsolete in a few years, or at least effectively depreciate to the point where that money is wasted, but headphones, assuming they're quality, may last for decades.
I listen to mine every single day, so why shouldn't I deserve something better?
>>54039998
You accidentally added in the LCD 4
>>54039998
The HD600 has the picture of the SR009
>>54039998
It sucks.
is this actually worth Five Hundred U.S. Dollars?
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/grace-design-x-massdrop-m9xx-dac-amp
>>54039998
Vmodas need to go, ATH-M50s need to go and stay go, No K612s, There is just so much missing.
>>54039998
AD900X is a popular alternative to the K702 when people don't have amps so it should be add.
HD600 has the wrong pic, v-moda m100 is bass heavy, not even close to "relatively neutral"
>>54039998
>Sennheiser HD600
>It's a HE400S
k
>>54039998
>check prices or yourself
Than even put prices? The are all way wrong but the way.
Also, M40X, you never see M50X recommended here.
>>54040100
Oh fuck, they kind look like 009's from far away, guess I was wrong.
>>54040085
Someone on the internet told me Massdrop is a meme so it must be true
>>54039998
Mostly wrong. 1540s negative side is that they aren't portable? They're not meant to be portable. No headphones that size are meant to be portable, they're meant to be studio monitors. This whole thing looks like wasted effort. The price for 558s is wrong.
Okay here is the thing. there are so many headphones to recommend that this guide should be split up between under 200 and 200 and up.
>>54039998
Reddit trash.
>>54039998
>(Under 10$) Please consider suicide tier
100ft Paracord (chose your favorite colour)
or
Wellington Puritan Twisted Manila Rope
+
Great Knots and How to Tie Them by Derrick Lewis
>(Under 25$)
Monoprice 8323
taSCAM TH02
>(Under $50)
Superlux HD668B
Superlux HD-681 Evo
Koss Porta Pro
>(Under $100)
philips SHP9500
Takstar HI 2050
Sony MDR 7506
Audiotechnica ATH-M40x
NVX XPT100
Takstar Pro 80
>(Under $200)
AKG K612
Fostex T50RP Mk.3
Shillheiser HD598
Beyeremorse DT770 Pro 80 Ohm
>(200 to 400) Point of diminishing returns
Snapheiser HD600
Beyerdynamic DT880s
AKG K7xx
Philips Fidelio X2
Oppo PM-3
Audiotechnica ATH-MSR7
Chinkfi man HE-400S
>(Under 500)
HE-400i
Fostex TH-X00
>(Under 1000)
Koss ESP-950
Audaze LCD-2
Stax Lambda
(Over 1000) Off to head fi with you!
Guide by Zeos Pantera.
>>54040208
...and not a Grado in sight
>>54040260
they're too comfy for this list.
>>54040208
>HD598 instead of HD558
>No AD900X
>MDR 7506 and no V6
>DT770 80ohms even though the 250 is usually cheaper and easier to find
>Not even separating open-back from closed-back
>>54040299
Zeos>your opinions.
>>54040317
Facts > your shitposting.
>>54040340
"facts" where are these "facts"
>>54040299
just ignore the shitposters, Anon.
>>54039998
No IEMs.
>>54040430
IEMs probably deserve their own guide since there are plenty.
Not an audiophile but I'm looking for new set of over ear headphones. My last pair were V Moda Crossfade LP2s.
I'm in the market for another pair of headphones. I was looking at PSB M4U 2s. For the price is this a good purchase? Are there better options in that price range with a built in amplifier?
>>54040456
There aren't that many that get suggested here. Maybe a different section but I don't see why it should be a different guide.
>>54040481
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYPp6Fh5174
worth every penny.
>>54039998
the K553 pro, K7xx and TH X00 are not on the list
>>54040727
Yeah Zeos loved the TH X00 and the K7xx.
>>54040813
Fuck off they are good headphones regardless of what that fat faggot said
>>54040813
this has to be the lamest attempt at making /hpg/ hate someone, at least CG knew how to do his shitposting...
>>54040848
yeah, zeos was right, as he usually is, i don't understand why you can't wrap your head around that.
>>54040813
Zeos loves everything except the M50s so I guess according to contrarian logic ATH M50 is godtier
>>54040882
to be fair M50 is only 10 bucks more expensive than it was when /hpg/ still liked it.
>>54040882
No, he just echoes what /hpg/ usually agrees on.
Loves the HD600
Hates the ATH-M50s
What's the problem here officer?
Why are people shitting on the ATH M50x but recommending the M40x? Aren't the M50x basically the M40x but more bassy?
>>54040930
ATH-M50s have bass but it's not fast enough.
>>54040930
because the current /hpg/ posters don't even understand why the hate towards m50 started in the first place...
>>54040930
Which is exactly what makes it shit. The M40x is cheaper and more neutral.
>>54040960
Neutral is boring and puts me to sleep zzzzz
>>54040944
Fast bass discussion ended 12 hours ago.
>>54040960
Some of the worst headphones are neutral. K612, HD600, Takstars, Hifimans. Fuck.
>>54040944
I'm not sure what fast bass means. Could you explain?
>>54041001
Bass that goes fast.
>>54039998
It's shit.
>>54041197
Are you being funny with me bitch?
>Sennheiser HD598 v Beyerdynamic DT770 (32, 80, or 250 ohms)
Which one?
>>54040911
I won't deny that
>>54041413
Why not just get the T50RP Mk.3. It's the best of both worlds.
>>54041413
They are completely different to each other so how should we know what's better for you with no information on your needs whatsoever?
>>54041481
Very well.
I have an extremely varied taste in music, so I want something that covers most - if not the entirety - of the spectrum
>>54041558
With that alone the 598. There's still the issue of whether you need isolation or not because the 598 is open.
>>54031351
anyone?
>>54041595
Isolation is a must
>>54041878
T50RP Mk3.
>>54041878
Try 7506 or M40x.
Ignore this memelord >>54041890
>>54041935
thanks
>>54041935
>>54041962
Ingnore this memelord.
T50RP are much better than both of those.
>>54042142
Go watch a fucking review, faggot.
>>54042181
I did, because i'm a well informed individual and don't pander to /hpg/ and their tendency to regurgitate advice.
>>54042202
>regurgitate advice.
The ironing.
>>54041001
Slow bass = bloat
Fast bass = texture
>yfw technological advancements in audio hardware finally allows you to hear the difference between FLAC and 320 kbps MP3s.
I'd be pissed because I would have to reacquire 50% of my library.
>>54042470
Your ears will still be the bottleneck.
>Budget
$250-300
>Location
USA
>Source
I'm actually looking to buy a new player that isn't my phone, what's the best I could buy for sub $100?
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear
>Preferred music
I listen to a lot of J-indie/rock bands like Galileo Galilei and RADWIMPS and stuff, as well as hiphop/rap and EDM artists like Nujabes and Porter Robinson, so kind of diverse.
>Past headphones
Countless shit earbuds, currently on Sennheisers HD558, used AKG K240s for years earlier.
DT880 gud?
>>54042507
>what's the best I could buy for sub $100?
Fiio X1
I assume you want closed because you're looking for a player so MSR7.
>>54031331
Guy's how good are the dt880 pro's?, I might sell my 702's in order to buy them. Would that be retarded?
anyone have any experience with aftermarket cables for er4p?
>>54042655
it's a sidegrade, both perform similarly and have nobass
>>54042805
hmmm I thought they would have a bit more bass similar to the 770's but cleaner/wider sounding overall.
Fuck sake I don't know what to buy now, I was hoping they'd be the answer.
>>54042907
Just get something like the HD600 or T50RP Mk3.
>>54042805
>>54043237
dt880 have more bass than the k702 and hd600 you shitposter, especially the pro because of the tighter clamp making a better seal
>>54043288
>le hd600 no bass meme
JUST KILL YOURSELF ALREADY ZEOS POSTER.
>>54031950
>mahogany because it gives the bass good timber
I have a new FiiO E10K and when I adjust the volume using the dial there's a crackling/static sound in the right ear cup of my headphones, is this normal?
>>54039998
ath msr7?
>>54044422
don't even reply. it was a shit attempt, one headphone addition won't fix that piss poor job.
>>54031345
>spending this much on headphones
for what purpose
for that price you could get a great headphone setup that's not $2000 and a great speaker setup too.
>>54044476
Find me a headphone as comfortable, especially for big ears. Also my speaker setup is already great, it's better than my headphone setup.
Looking for a pair under $100, closed and balanced since I listen to almost every genre. Don't care about comfort as long as they'll last.
Got HSR-1000s for 60$ on sale a few months ago. 60$ is the perfect price but I'd pay extra for a pair that has a modular cable. I'm only a casual.
>>54039998
damn, that's a lot of aswers you got there, hope you can fix it all.
>>54040930
Yes i don't understand this either. How many of these people have actually heard the M50s? Not many i bet. They're good headphones.
>>54042507
>>54042549
Seconded. MSR7 is GOAT.
Somebody mentioned before Moffat got called out on his shit somewhere, anyone got a link to that?
>>54045133
The "problem" with the m50 comes from the fact that years ago (before we even had the /hpg/) it was a rival to the MDR v6 and /g/ liked both very much, enough tho argue about it in every single headphone thread (pic related is from back then), in fact to many the M50 was the "bood-non-poor-fag" option, it was also when the terms "treble rape" and " bass canons" started getting so much use.
Many reviewers praised them as a great headphone for the price (about 10 bucks more than V6), but as the popularity of the M50 rose so did its prices, still, 20 bucks more than a v6 wasn't much, people kept buying it anyway, after all the reviews said they were great for the price, these buyers also ended up making reviews, prices kept raising and people kept buying without knowing how much it was worth, with so much sucess eventually Audio Technica released a new model, which was essentially the same thing with a detachable cable for more than 150 bucks, from that price people would either go with K550, DT770 or the much cheaper V6 (or MDR7506), and that's for closed-back only, so the /hpg/ started to see that it was not good for the price and you know how things work here, people either love something or hate it with their every breath, now the prices are much more fair, but with many other options more showing up and so much time of accumulated bad rap the hate remains.
And yes, i agree, i too bet most of them haven't ever tested it.
>>54045516
Gee, thanks for explaining. Things are clear to me now.
>>54038068
I have this setup but mine is a mutibit>
Not saying your's is not!
>>54045595
No problem, sorry it was so long.
>>54045626
nah it was a good read
Whats the best full size closed portable headphone money can get? (portable as in a decent phone should run it without amp and doesnt have a fucklong cable)
>>54045516
Man that chart takes me back, is Anonymous of Indonesia still shitposting with his placebophile garbage or has he left to live on head-fi?
>>54045907
No idea, actually since last time CG was around most of the old-timers migrated to other chans or forums, i guess there's only so much shitposting an Anon can take before getting tired.
>>54045984
The shitposting is neverending, each time one topic of shitposting ends another begins.
>>54045984
I'm testing your limits :3
does anybody know where to get a locking 2.5mm male to 4 pole 3.5mm right angle cable for the ath-m50x?
i found a cable that i think would work but im not sure if any 2.5mm plug will fit
i wanted to listen to some music on my phone but it bugs out without a 4 pole plug and i don't like dongles
>>54046017
Indeed, but GC's was a long and repetitive one, i mean, how many months can anyone have fun with "beyeremorse vs mudheiser"?
At least the current "Speed is the reason" thing is rather original and is generating clever shitposting for now.
>>54046045
>>54046045
aw, i feel flattered, Anon-kun.
>>54044982
Closed ? ATH M40X
Open? SHP9500 >than most headphones.
*yawn*
so tired of seeing all these meme headphones. glad i just bought the shp9500, probably sound better than most totl headphones.
>>54046154
After all the AKG product shilling and 'Zeos said this therefore this' shitposting I'm almost nostalgiac about the beyersremorse vs mudheiser.
>>54046243
>acknowledges shitposting
>doesn't contribute to the topic
>complains about /hpg/ being all about shitposting
>>54046243
yeah, the zeos thing is getting old pretty fast, personally shilling doesn't really bother me, i usually just ignore it.
You know what i miss? The creative anons who would always make a new guide or photoshop headphones in everything, i guess the closest to that afterwards was this >>54038091 and even then, after a month or so it no new one showd up and only the same Anons kept posting.
>>54046303
>shitposter replies to somebody describing his shitposting
Classic.
>>54046311
I do wonder what happened to guide anon, I'm still hosting the current >$200 one.
>>54046311
>photoshop headphones charts
that's considered quality these days? /hpg/ was a lost cause anyways.
Who saw the new zeos review? Those M audios look goooood.
>>54046323
>guide anon
You mean the dude from pic related?
>>54046327
Not the photoshop itself, but rather the fact that Anons had some hot debates on which headphones deserved or not to be in a guide, which had which quality/problem, when a guide was done and posted on Op people would either feel good that they contributed or mad as fuck because their favorite headphone didn't made it, it was pretty fun and has much on topic as it could get.
>lost cause
Meh, i'll probably keep coming here anyway, i procrastinate away too much not to.
>>54046341
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7e5Y4MhJjxs
this? yeah too bad they have a bad build quality and those pads look terrible. Might as well get the T50RP.
>>54046389
Yes, most recently pic related, I think.
>>54046507
Like everything posted here, it's garbage. Just link people to inner fidelity.
>>54046514
Why did you even post?
>>54046507
that was not a bad guide, we could certainly use a <200 like that.
>>54046514
ok.
>>54046514
This. /hpg/ should just link to people who know what they're talking about. 3 years ago they recommended me the ATH-M50s... Awful but I thought it was the best I could get for my budget. This broke and I back to /hpg/ who recommended me HM5s/Fischer Audios. Probably the worst bilt headphones in existence. Maybe it's my fault for buying cheap things but /hpg/ just parrots advice without thorough research or personal experience :/
I recently ended up buying Meze 99 classics and I couldn't be happier, no thanks to /HPG/
>>54046760
You should have bought X model of ATH.
>>54046760
should have just bought the hd800s, worlds best headphone according to tyll
>>54046760
It's your fault for not taking everything said, on fucking 4chan of all places, with a grain of salt, hell, everyone here agrees that you should test a headphone before blindly buying it.
>>54046507
>vshaped
>x2s
They're bassy warm. Since when was a colored response a bad thing? That's so vague. Who wrote this shit?
>>54046787
So is making guides just expert level trolling?
>>54046801
They have treble spikes.
>>54046815
You check what fit your needs and than go find those headphones for testing, don't mistake being trolled for being slow.
>>54046836
That's not colored, that's sparkle and crispness. Color relates to the mids.
>>54046837
None of this hipster shit is sold at best buy. I have to order from Amazon.
>>54046859
Color relates to deviations from a perfectly flat/transparent response.
Review tier list:
God tier:
Innerfidelity
ZeosReviews
Demigod tier:
Headfonia
Theheadphonelist
Metal571
Midtier:
Headfi
Headcase
Whatfi
/r/headphones
Shit tier
SBAF
Hifiguy528
lachlanlikesathing
LinusTechTips
>>54046953
Put Audiobudget or that guy Igor Eisberg in that list. Dumb asshole won't get a external amp with neutral FR. He'd rather stick with his shitty gamer sound card and measure all his IEMs with that or his Sony DAP. He says all earphones are portables and should be measured not on external amps but only on portables. His Piston 3s measurements are wrong and don't match Innerfidelity or Goldenears. He had a shit fit on Head-fi and is banned because of getting upset over the naming the Xiaomi Hybrids and shilling his bassy Rock Zircons.
ATH m50x
OR
DT 770
OR
Pioneer 1500
for listening to mostly house music, through dj controller (Novation Twitch)? Also, what's the difference between DT770m and DT770pro?
>>54046507
is there a < $200 guide? Or $200 guide? What should i get?
New hotness inbound.
Been trying my hand at doing EQ for my $600 cans
reading up on these:
http://www.ovnilab.com/articles/eqtypes.shtml
http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
http://productionadvice.co.uk/using-eq/
sucks that I have to do it by ear since I don't have equipment to do my own measurements for every time I change the EQ. All I have to base my EQ by is the measurements already posted by other sites of the headphone itself
>>54047783
Looks like shit quite frankly.
>>54047783
Audeze is so retarded.
>Make portable line of headphones
>2m cable
>>54047783
>that texture on the back
>>54047814
replace it
if you have that much money to spend on fucking on-ears then you can afford it and they know it
>>54047831
Have you seen its connector?
>>54047849
I'm not psychic but I think I can see the future. I see a cable mod in its near future.
>>54047849
Isn't this the cable with the built in DAC?
>>54047805
I think it looks fine. Measures like a champ.
>>54047814
2.5m actually, and can't say I'm a fan of flat cables. Audeze certainly makes questionable design decisions.
>>54047883
That would be the Cipher cable, the one that ends in a lightning connector. It's an amp/DAC/mic.
>>54047887
never quite understood what the graph right under the frequency response indicated
is it supposed to tell you if the audio loses loudness at certain volumes or something? I vaguely remember that the lines were ideally supposed to be flat
>>54047951
I think if the line curves up at a certain frequency, that means that frequency requires more power to be at the same level of volume as other frequency ranges, which means that range of frequency will sound quieter to you.
if the line is flat, that means the frequency range across the board should sound like it's at the same level of volume
>>54047977
>I think if the line curves up at a certain frequency, that means that frequency requires more power to be at the same level of volume as other frequency ranges, which means that range of frequency will sound quieter to you.
You're on the right track, but this is actually a description of the frequency response itself. The reason there's dips and spikes in the frequency response is because it takes more or less power respectively to get to a certain volume. The impedance and phase stuff is something you'd use to figure out how your source equipment will affect the frequency response. On something with a 0 ohm output impedance, you'd get the graph shown in the frequency response section. On something with a 60 ohm output impedance, even if the source equipment is 100% neutral and uncolored, you'll get a slightly different frequency response if the electrical impedance and phase for your headphones aren't a flat line.
>Budget $100-200
>Location - USA, California
>Source - phone, desktop pc
>Preferred type of headphone - full size
>Open or closed - closed
>Comfort level - I will be wearing them for most of my workday, comfort is priority #1
>Preferred music - hip-hop, reggae, funk
>Past headphones - monoprice 2323(?) $20 memephones
>>54048055
I kinda understand better now, but how should I read that graph
the plot is done by Impedance in Ohms and then Frequency, what am I to understand if the line starts to deviate from being straight like in the 1000-10000 range in >>54047887
so tempted..
>>54046507
Newest version is in the wiki.
>>54048109
Oh okay, guess I can take that image off my server since the wiki no longer links there.
>>54048098
these are essentialy the HD558, but with metal grid and 2 cables.
>>54048098
and by this >>54048169
i mean if you want to pay for a little better quality made product and a short 1.2mts extra cable for an HD558 then go head
>>54048115
I was editing the wiki a little and updated the guide there. I just searched for a simple hosting site in the process. You can host it if you want, Kiwifag.
>>54048415
Nah, saves me needing to keep it updated anyway.
>>54048427
Fair enough.
>>54034726
So anyone can recommend around the price of 25-50$ ?
>>54046323
>I do wonder what happened to guide anon
I'm here every day, every thread. I just don't trip unless someone mentions me or discussion is related to the guide I made. I've also been super lazy updating the guide.
>>54046389
>pic related?
That's a guide someone else worked on, not me.
>>54046514
You are free to think of whatever about the guide but I'd rather people did not find their information on a single website, especially not IF.
If you have suggestions to the guide, I'll consider them and change stuff if anons agree on it. I'm personally not satisfied on the descriptions and I'm thinking of changing them into simple bullet points describing the headphones' sound signature and features instead of the somewhat subjective approach of what is good and bad it is now.
The point of the guide is to collect a list of quality headphones for people to consider if they are in a market for one. There's no universally best option as everyone's preferences and needs vary. It's also really hard to find worthwhile information about headphones if you are newbie to the market and have never researched for them. And if you are about to drop hundreds on a pair of headphones, you might want to make sure you are making a good purchase. The guide is supposed to aid with this.
>>54048814
I don't browse /hpg/ anymore, but I've come up with suggestions for the guide in the past.
You should just go ahead and make the changes you think are needed and I'll comment on the result.
>Budget
Between 60€ -100€
>Location
EU/Italy
>Source
PC, smartphone
>Preferred type of headphone
IEM
>Comfort level
Average
>Preferred music
All types of pop, DnB, Electronic etc.
>Past headphones
My Sennheiser CX 400II, are gone... I want replace them with something similar.
>>54049126
Superlux HD681 EVO
>>54049126
Try RE400
>>54049165
>IEM
>>54048814
What do you have against InnerFidelity?
>>54049327
Not him but I imagine it's something to do with the bullshit audiophile memes used to describe the way headphones sound. They're just not straightforward, like most reviewers.
>>54049327
Somewhat this >>54049371 and Tyll talks about concepts he doesn't understand. I don't like his non-standard compensation curve, the inclusion of square waves in the measurements and the "subjective-objective" -take on audio. His subjective reviews provide nothing of value for me and I personally happen to disagree with him on these impressions in a lot of cases. I appreciate the measurement data he provides however but that could be represented better and explained properly/correctly. He is better than the average audio reviewer on the internet and that's almost completely due to the effort of providing and doing measurements. The other clutter on his site like the Katz's Corner is worthles as well as the occasional Head-Fi -tier amplifier reviews.
What headphones do you guys use for the gym? I always see everyone use Beats.
>>54049702
I use my Stax SR009. They sound great out of the Galaxy S7 my mom bought me some time ago.
>>54049505
>I don't like his non-standard compensation curve
I don't see how it's an issue. There's enough difference between measurement setups that you shouldn't be comparing one site or person's measurements to another. Within one site's measurements, if you're trying to figure out what headphones sound like without a reference point, you're dumb. And if you DO have a reference point, i.e. you own headphones that have been measured by that site, the compensation curve is irrelevant since you can compare the measurements for the headphones you have to a new set of measurements to get a feel for how they sound.
>the inclusion of square waves in the measurements
Seriously? Sure, it's essentially the frequency response in a different form, and it's useless to people who don't know how to read one, but it's a useful visualization for people who do. And guess what? It bypasses the compensation part too.
>I personally happen to disagree with him on these impressions in a lot of cases.
People are going to have different preferences. What I appreciate about Tyll is that he knows what he likes, and he's consistent with his evaluation. If you share his tastes, just pick a favorite of his. If you like more treble, pick something he thinks has a bit too much. Subjective impressions (other than your own) are pretty worthless, but as far as they go I'd easily pick his as the best.
>that could be represented better and explained properly/correctly
Aside from the short bit of explanation he adds in on every review (on the measurements page), there's a couple articles on the site explaining how to read measurements. It's not perfect, but good enough for a layman.
I do agree that you should use multiple sources, but as far as a single source goes, I'd put InnerFidelity at the top.
>>54049702
In ears.
>>54049813
Forgot to say: every measurement sheet he has includes the raw frequency response too. So if you don't like the compensation, just use the raw data instead.
The pleather headband on my ATH-M50 is wearing away after just 3 years of heavy use. Pretty disappointed with this situation.
Just wondering if there are any off the shelf replacement bands or DIY repairs I can do? Can't be bothered to post picks but it's a flaky mess.
Which DT770 should I get
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0016MNAAI/ozba-21
My source is my pc I don't have a amp yet but will get one soon
>>54049813
>There's enough difference between measurement setups that you shouldn't be comparing one site or person's measurements to another.
They shouldn't be large below a certain frequency range, this is why there are supposed to be standards that are followed.
I've felt Tyll's gear to be suspect for a while, even as far as simulators have issues replicating human features.
>it's essentially the frequency response in a different form
That's the impulse response. The square wave response is something different. At times, Tyll seems to conflate arbitrary square wave discontinuities with the impulse response.
>and it's useless to people who don't know how to read one, but it's a useful visualization for people who do
Even if you know how to make one, extracting useful information is very difficult. It takes more time to break down a square wave than it does to read three or four separate charts that tell you the same thing and more.
Looking for some recommendations
>budget 100-150 +/- 25 dollars
>chicago soon to be japan
>prefered type full sized
>closed
>must be comfy
>I listen to woodwinds mainly
>source is my laptop
>>54049505
>>54049813
>>54050542
>square wave
Ayyyyy it's easy by looking at this pic tho right?
>>54031331
Save me /hpg/.
I know this might not be the best place for this but imma ask if you guys know about any good pair of headsets or headphones that can support a detachable mic.
>Budget
Anything under 200$
>Location
I live in sweden but i don't mind buying stuff from abroad.
>Source
Atm I use my ASUS B85-Pro Gamer motherboard.
>Preferred type of headphone
Full-sized.
>Open or closed
Closed, although I'm fine with both.
>Comfort level
Comfines is a plus bat not a must.
>Preferred tonal balance
indifferent.
>Past headphones
Right now im using the 'Razer Carcharias for Xbox 360®/PC' and my main concern with these is that the mic is absolute dogshit.
>>54050542
>>it's essentially the frequency response in a different form
>That's the impulse response.
No, no it definitely isn't.
>>54045213
http://news-2016.ga/n/headphones/comments/48dhsq/well_after_two_years_of_interest_in_this_hobby/d0kmbim
ilkless on plebbit did it after some placebophile on /r/headphones regurgitated Moffat's head-fi post. One of the best audio posters anywhere in my view. He is clearly no researcher or engineer, but he pretty much hits the spot all the time and explains complex theories with clarity.
>>54036649
>>54036089
Actually I just seem to have figured out that the problem was foobar2000 causing the skipping. I updated to a newer version and it no longer does it when i minimise every fucking program.
The steinberg would be a good choice actually. I was misguided by my frustrations at being unable to figure out the problem.
Moral of the story is make sure your shit is updated.
>>54050801
https://www.reddit.com/r/headphones/comments/48dhsq/well_after_two_years_of_interest_in_this_hobby/d0lg9fo
Fuck, took the wrong link.
>>54050392
guys?
I've been looking at some guides and I was gonna go for the Sony MDR-V6 which all the guides list for costing $65, now I live in the UK and I know we get screwed on electronics a lot so I was expecting to pay a bit more, but at worst I thought it would be the old dollar to pound trick. But nope, I can't find a pair for under a hundred quid. Even in America they're costing a hundred dollars. What's wit the price jump? Have they stopped production or something?
The MDR7506s are on Amazon for 73 quid, how do they compare? I'm thinking them or Sennheiser HD280s, any others that are recommended?
>>54050909
>>54050392
80 Ohm is good.
>>54051005
7506 is the same except you get a gold plug and a better warranty. I believe they have stopped making the V6 so that might be why they're becoming more expensive. I got mine in the UK in 2009 for about £50.
If you have an issue Sony isn't replacing the V6 with the more expensive 7506 they'll give you a V600 or something shit.
>>54051166
would I lose anything from not going for the 250 Ohm?
>>54048098
Do it. That price is a steal. I got a pair as backups to my hd659 and for traveling, they're way under priced, they sound fucking amazing really. Don't even need an amp either
>>54051186
lower volume
>>54051179
>7506 is the same except you get a gold plug and a better warranty.
Sounds cool.
Anyone know how do they compare to the HD280s? The 280 is a bit more than I want to spend really, but I'm willing to fork out if it's a significant upgrade. I'll add that I'll be using them with my ipod mostly, but also a bit on my laptop for music listening and occasionally messing around in a DAW, and maybe plug them into my amp while playing guitar and bass. But mostly ipod and I do have a Fiio amp if it's needed.
Also how do they compare in terms of durability and ease of repair? Also I use the bus a lot so if either of them leak sound too much it would be nice to know. I've heard the HD280s have a pretty good seal.
>>54050685
Buy headphones and a detachable mic.
$200 will get you something like the shure srh840, audio technica msr7 or sony cd900st, though not knowing my closed cans I couldn't tell you which of those to buy.
>>54051261
but if I get a amp it will be better in the long run right?
>>54050685
HyperX Cloud I is a great and cheap closed headphone for gaming. The package includes a detachable mic and various things. It costs around 70€ on Amazon.it. Don't let the low price deceive you, it performs better than every other gaming headset in production right now.
Massdrop has K7XX Red edition right now for $200. Looks pretty cool.
>>54050703
>No, no it definitely isn't.
I don't know what you're thinking, but a summation of odd ordered harmonics with varying intensity is very different from exciting a system at all possible frequencies at once at equal level.
The latter defines the system's response.
>>54051863
>exciting a system at a lot of different frequencies at once at different levels is very different from exciting a system at all possible frequencies at once at equal level.
Different, no doubt, but I wouldn't say VERY different. Measurement of either will give you data on the frequency response and phase response of the system. An impulse response gives a more complete picture, but is even harder to read visually than a square wave.
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>>54052254
>>54052254
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