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Why do people upgrade so often?
When was the last time Intel actually offered significant improvements other than ram speed? Was it the jump from netburst to core2?
>>54014866
because people are idiots.
Good for me though, I got an i7 870 3 years ago for the price of an i3. 4c8t, oc to 4.3GHz.
>>54014911
That came with the mobo, right?
Sounds like a sweet fucking deal.
9 year old image
post i7 2600k vs i7 6700k
>>54014925
yeah with the mobo. price was against the i3 on its own though, not i3+mobo.
>>54014927
For some reason, /g/ thinks sandy bridge was some magic architecture that you never need to upgrade from. Completely disregarding previous and future gens.
I have not upgraded in 8 years, think its probably bottlenecking the rest of my pc now though.
>>54015115
Same here m8, but it still runs flawlessly.
>>54015115
Depends on your gpu, but yeah, probably.
What mobo? an fx 6300 would be a good upgrade if compatible, plus really cheap since you won't need a new board and ram
>>54015132
and you.
Have you considered the xeon mod? You can get a quad core xeon for around 25 usd premodded for lga775.
it'll give you more than double the performance since it's also a xeon, in multithread performance.
>>54015134
MSI 870A-G55 apparently
>>54015168
Yeah no fx support.
Still, there are phenom ii x4 and x6 processors out there on the used market, and with zen coming out they should be available dirt cheap soon.
You can half the size of transistors and put twice as many on a CPU but trying to put more power through to make anything more actually happen will still melt the metal. Iunno.
Here's a picture about how we're wasting our time and using CPUs from 2004, except more expensive.
Do you think Zen will work on AM3+?
>>54015496
No.
Ram is only the tip of the iceberg for reasons why
>>54015496
Just the tip
>>54015168
>locked phenom II x2
how bad is the 970 bottleneck?
I refuse to update untill I can replace my 2500k for the same price with an 8 core cpu! And at this point it seems that I would not even get a 4 core 8 threads one by the time this thing dies from old age (althought my guess is on the crappy asrock motherboard I have, if I knew that amd would fuck up so badly that intel could jew us for several years, I would have gotten a better motherboard).
>>54016509
shouldn't be that bad as long as he OCes his CPU via fsb clock.
>>54017298
>2500k
skylake is a decent upgrade, if you want moar corez just get a 5820k and OC it. 6 cores with 15mb of cache is going to be relevant for a very long time, and x99 mobos will still be available at '''reasonable''' prices for some time because of broadwell-e coming soon.
Honestly right now I'm considering upgrading my i7 920, not because the new CPUs are significantly better but because I want usb 3.1 and sata 3.0.
>>54017545
Skylake is not a decent upgrade after so many years. It's in performance basically Haswell with ddr4. Jewtel has been lazy and jewish because AMD allowed them to get away with it. And if this is the case, then I'm going to jew the jews and refuse to accept their meager upgrades.
>>54018246
It's like you fuckers believe Intel has a secret back room where they hide superior alien tech, only releasing minor changes to maximize profits. If Intel could actually do what you unreasonably demand, they would smash amd, and have 100% of the market. Why wouldn't they? It makes no sense, from a investors perspective, and from a CEO also. You have been spoiled by the rapid advancement of the past, and still demand the same results from massive developmental achievements.
>>54017657
But they are significantly better than what you have.
>>54018246
>It's in performance basically Haswell with ddr4
It's at least 5% better per clock, 10% in some applications. That's basically the same increase between Ivy and Haswell.
>>54017298
My 2011 BMW m3 goes 0-60 in 4.1
2015 bmw m3 goes 0-60 in 3.8
The new model is shit and only gives a minor upgrade. Why would anyone buy this piece of shit? If BMW cant double the performance every two years, I will never get rid of my 2011 model.
Sound reasonable?
I just upgraded from a Core 2 Duo SU9400 from 2008 to a i5-6200U.
Feel good, and almost as fast as my desktop Phenom II x4 955BE.
>>54014866
Moar cores is the only answer. Clock speed will increase somewhat as the node size decreases, but node size can't really get that much smaller using silicon
>>54018246
You say that like the upgrade from DDR3 to DDR4 is meaningless.
>>54014866
Still on my core2duo. Quad core just isn't a big enough jump and AMD, well, the last AMD I had overheated and died pretty quickly.
Intel hexcore or octocore ?.. not unless I win the lottery.
>>54018695
Jesus man a quad would stomp that c2d hard. Quit lying to yourself.
>>54018695
6600k 7791
8400 2180
Passmark scores. 4x the performance not worth it?
>>54014927
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sx1kLGVAF0
Skymeme smashes Sandy Vag in CPU-heavy gaymes like GTA V and The Witcher 3.
>>54014866
Single-core performance gets hamstring'd to account for thermal efficiency. Despite the prevalence of multi-core processors, most programs are still not optimized for parallel processing on physical cores, let-alone logical cores/hyper threading.
Meaning, most individual cores inside a modern package are running at 70% of maximum potential--almost as a rule--compared to single cores from years ago, and still manage to edge out 5-10% in raw compute performance while improving almost every other facet and adding new features.
If you want to create a very constrained box that reduces the total package of what newer CPU's offer, that's your prerogative, I guess.
>>54016509
I have a Phenom II x4 945 with a 970. Definitely noticeable. I can only get like 40FPS in MGSV regardless of any settings. Doom 4 couldn't run at more than 10fps.
>>54018808
Coming from an amd processor, this video.actually convinced me to save up for skylake instead if just settling for haswell
>>54018695
>Quad core just isn't a big enough jump
Retard.
>>54018824
Bullshit desu senpai. I run MGS V at a locked 60fps on max settings with a Phenom II and a GTX 780. Something's wrong with your setup.
I'm running i7 5820k on MUH GAMING RIG, and 2500k on MUH HOME SERVER SLASH PIRATEVIEWER.
To be completely honest.. WHAT THE FUCK MAN.
the 2500k crushes shit like it was The Rock vs the whole fucking cast of The Big Bang Theory, still.
>>54018808
>2-10fps difference
>smashed
I have i5-3570k would it be worth upgrading to 6600k?
>>54018841
That's just for Witcher 3. For all the rest it's 20+ frames difference
>>54018841
10fps is a fucking HUGE difference using the exact same graphics card, and the gap is often much wider than that. 30fps+ in Far Cry 4 for example. It's also noted that minimum framerates are much better, which is even more important than averages.
Enjoy hugging your ancient CPU and crying at night, poorfag. :^)
>>54018841
>tech illiterate: the comment
in areas where CPU is the bottleneck skylake comes out on top by a ridiculous margin even over haswell. 10 fps Is a fucking insane amount.
>>54018851
Only if you sell the old one to make up for the cost.
>tfw want to keep using 2500k
>cant use any graphics cards past thermi without a bios update
>can't use any graphics cards past kepler because asus are retarded
My 580 died a week ago and now I'm stuck on a 550ti, not gonna be able to upgrade for atleast a year.
>>54018883
>>54018886
>10fps is a fucking HUGE difference
>10 fps Is a fucking insane amount.
Not really
Not worth $300-400 insane
>>54018890
Anything SB or newer still sells close to its RRP on eBay because people are fucking dumb, so that shouldn't be hard. I sold my 4790K recently for a 10% loss on what I paid for it in mid-2014.
I really don't see the need of upgrading all the time, I mean I know I don't have the money but still I think its a waste if the improvement isn't something really big.
I went from a NewCastle Athlon 64 2800+ to this 3 years ago, that Cely proved to beat the Core 2 Duo E8400 and costed only 50 bucks, really happy with it.
I would only upgrade for something twice as powerful, not sure what that would be.
>>54018808
damn time to upgrade to skylake
>>54018886
>>54018883
10fps after 5 years of improving technology?
No, that's not a huge difference at all by any metric
>>54018886
>Thinking a 10fps improvement out of a $400 upgrade is good
>Calling others tech illiterate
Adjusted for inflation you are getting less performance for your money out of Skylake than Sandy Bridge. It's ridiculously bad.
>>54018563
The difference is that IC's have, for many decades, followed a trend of rapidly increasing performance. That, and someone might buy a new car if the old one is wearing out; CPUs don't wear the same way.
>>54018903
>>54018967
On games it is a huge difference since games rely much more on the GPU. This would mean that on stuff that actually relies a lot on the CPU, the difference would be much higher.
>>54018903
a skylake i7 is jot $300-400 more than a haswell you dumbass. Of course you shouldn't upgrade yet but that doesn't mean that you still have the best processor
>>54019000
Then why not post a video of CPU heavy games? Do they even exist anymore in this age of Nvidia Gameworks and shit?
>>54019015
You didn't watch the whole video. See>>54018883
>>54019013
Well, that's the cost of an upgrade, so it doesn't matter.
>>54018967
Christ, you're dumb. Even 10fps (and we've already fucking established it's generally much more than that) is a huge bump for a fucking CPU upgrade. Do you even understand the basic concepts of how a CPU and GPU interact? Do you know which bit does what in your PC? I'm going to suggest no.
>>54018980
Source: My ass. Skylake costs no more relatively than Sandy Bridge did at the time. The sheer delusion of Sandy Bridge fags is impressive to behold at times.
>>54019015
Literally in this thread, dumbass: >>54018808
>>54018838
>>54016509
A dual core Phenom II will bottleneck the fuck out of many games, including 3 year old games like BF4. Source: I own a 555 that used to run at 4.0Ghz.
>>54018903
That depends on what you already own, though I still think 5820k is the best value for people that would rather build one system to last several years.
>>54019036
>Even 10fps (and we've already fucking established it's generally much more than that) is a huge bump for a fucking CPU upgrade
Please, I got more of an FPS boost going from AMD Phenom II to fucking Sandy Bridge
I went from a single-core pentim 4 to yorkfield to haswell. guess i'm due for an upgrade in 2019.
works fine for me. if you upgrade every year you're an idiot
>>54019052
This desu fampire
If you're not getting at least 30fps better across the board it's not time to upgrade yet
You guys have been spoiled by the Netbust Preshott to Cuo 2 Duo upgrade.
When you go from the world's worst processor released by a credible CPU company to something decent it's hard to match upgrade.
>>54019030
>far cry 4 has the big difference
>others such as Fucking Crysis 3 which is universally considered to be better looking is about even across them all
All this tells me is that Far Cry 4 is shittily optimized, I had no interest in playing it anyway.
>>54019078
So, what's your point? If an upgrade now costs way more than that upgrade for way less improvement then why even bother?
>>54019036
>12% more fps
>15% higher price
>more expensive memory
>FPS difference only measurable with high end GPUs
>95% of games completely unaffected
>>54019090
watching the fucking video you meming retard
Grand theft auto v has a consistent 20 fps difference as well
>>54019078
This 2bh. I owned a 2.53 Ghz Dell shitbox Pentium 4 for 4 years while I was in college. Went from that to a Conroe and the difference in just everyday tasks from browsing to getting work done was a huge difference.
>>54019105
His point is exactly what you stated. We've almost reached a level of everything "just werking" the way it is intended without the CPU being a limiting factor. If you own Sandy Bridge or later, you probably have a PC good enough to do what 90% of people would ever need to do.
>>54019105
People shouldn't have bought that Prescott to begin with.
You know what's worse than the situation now where a new CPU gives you 10% better IPC at most?
Intel released Prescott which actually had 10% WORSE IPC than the previous generation. You can't make this shit up.
I usually upgrade every 5 years or so.
With that said, there are more reasons to upgrade your CPU than raw processing power. Memory support, PCI-E lanes, virtualization, etc.
>>54019145
>muh IPC
IPC is a design choice. Lower IPC can translate into higher clocks, moar cores or simply cheaper manufacture.
Inversely higher IPC can actually reduce overall performance in favor of high power efficiency.
>>54018808
/g/ I need your help so badly, and I'm extremely glad this thread is here.
I recently started building my mini-itx travel desktop, for going to friends houses or doing overnight travel for work in a reasonable area.
anyway
I decided that the best way to do it was to put my old desktop parts in my new travel build. So I decided to upgrade cpu, gpu, ram etc in my main desktop. I bought
>DDR4 ram 16gb 3000
>i5 6600k
>new mobo
>(waiting for Nvidia to drop new gpus in june)
to upgrade my main computer
and I'm moving my
>DDR3 8gb
>i5 3570k
>gtx 970
along with a new 1155 chipset mobo I bought
into my travel build
My question is this, after searching far and wide everyone seems to be saying that 6600k isn't any real upgrade to 3570k, so I was going to just return the 1150 atx mobo and the 1155 itx mobo, and just buy a 1150 itx mobo and put the 6600k + DDR4 ram in the travel build (since everyone says it wouldn't be noticeable), but videos like that one make doubt.
I would love to keep major performance gains to my desktop if possible.
(please excuse any mistakes, I'm a terrible typist)
>>54019229
Prescott didn't result in any of these things.
It was lower IPC, hotter, more power hungry and clocks no better.
>>54014866
>/g/ still doesnt understand the concept of power:watt and downsizing fabs
Why?
if 4 cores 4/8 threads are all we need for the past 10 years so be it
If you want a better rig for crunching data go buy a 8core i7 or amd meme
>>54019238
6600k just sitting here waiting for me to make a decision
>>54019238
Seems like a waste of money unless you are really going to make good use of that meme ITX build. For your every day desktop usage you will not really see a difference, and as other anons pointed out, depending on the games you like to play you may notice some difference between the 3570k and the 6600k, but it's not like the difference between playable and unplayable. At this point, I'd just put the 3570k in the ITX build as you had planned. That'd be powerful enough for LAN stuff.
If I were you I probably would have bought something better than the 6600k for your desktop.
Time to add Snady Bridge to the list of most delusional consumer fanbases, along with Windows 7 users and PS2 owners.
>>54019238
You're probably just better off getting a laptop like a Thinkpad or some shit and use an external GPU for when you really need it desu
>>54019346
Would an i7 really be that helpful? can most games even utilize that sort of power nowadays?
I travel a few hundred miles homes fairly often, once or twice a month, and lugging the full tower from place to place is a bitch, the itx handle is going to be a godsend. I have friends that come over, and a girlfriend I want to be able to play games with who doesn't have a computer, so yea, that itx build will be used fairly often.
>>54019383
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuck, I hadn't even thought of the fact that laptop technology had really improved enough that you can just connect an external hard drive. FUCK
>>54019431
i7's are pointless for games. The 6700k is way better than than the 6600k in artificial benchmarks but doesn't show an increase in frames in most games. If you want to do stuff like image or video editing than the 6700k would be a good choice.
>>54019482
gpu*
>>54015279
>purple line
Is that single-core perf per clock? Looks like single core, and in that case, pic related.
>>54019251
Power per watt is important for data centers and laptops, but next to irrelevant for desktops.
>>54019497
>>54019482
It's really not that new. It's basically just a PCI slot turned into a smaller plug.
Just make sure you really read into it before you get one.
Go for business class laptops, never gaming shit.
And remember, the external GPU will need its own power supply. You could just use a whole ATX power supply if you really wanted. But it's still way more portable than any tower would be.
Should I go i5 6600 or i5 4690
>>54019542
Tell us the price for each you fucking nigger. Give us context for the choice.
>>54015496
They released a statement about that. It's going to use a new socket. (am4)
>>54014866
Since Intel has a crystal ball and has correctly predicted the second coming of Jim Keller to AMD, they have been trying to milk the bejesus out of their consumers until Zen arrives.
>>54019542
Now that the prices for skymeme and DDR4 have come down, there's pretty much no reason not to get it over haswell if you need to buy a whole new platform anyway unless you can get haswell for significantly cheaper.
>>54019431
Sounds very reasonable and I think you are justified building a new little ITX build.
i7s are not completely useless for all games but the majority will not benefit from hyperthreading. In your case it might have made more sense to splurge for the i7 though just because you are coming from a pretty powerful platform already so if you're going through the whole bother of building a new rig it seems to make more sense to make an actual upgrade, not a lateral move.
>>54019552
>>54019624
In my country vat included
$247- 4690
$249 - 6600
Ram & Mobo is more expensive by $50 combined
Might run PS3 emulator in a year or 2 after its developed
>>54019431
Get a Xeon v3. I7 for the price of an i5 but without an ugly or the ability to overclock
>>54019542
Skylake and ddr4 are pretty cheap, you can build a new Skylake computer for about the same price as Haswell now and plus you have the benefit of having the latest RAM and an upgrade path through the 1151 socket. Just keep in mind WIndows 7 will not be supported fully on Kaby Lake or Cannonlake. So if you want to be on the bleeding edge of hardware you need Windows 10 or you have to convert completely to Linux.
>>54019679
meant to quote also
>>54019600
$50 for that extra 1-5 fps worth it?
>>54019685
>ugly
Igpu fucking autocorrect
>>54019679
For those prices you might as well go for the 6600. You're getting no meaningful savings by going for the 4690.
>>54019685
I thought Memelake non-K CPUs could actually be overclocked just fine through BCLK? Or does that not apply to Xeons?
>>54018437
No, not be a retard putting words in my mouth. Intel is just allowed to be lazy on the desktop market, and waste our time and money by letting their shitty iGPU take up more and more of the CPU die. They could easily put in 8 cores for the same price if they ripped out the iGPU, but they don't because AMD is retarded and has no money. So intel can just ignore the desktop market and give us weaker cpu's with oversized crap iGPU's most never use, as they are developing these things anyway for the laptop market. And if we want more cores, jewtel points toward their overpriced x99 platform.
It's the same reason why they stopped soldering the CPU's after Sandy Bridge, and instead used the most crappy TIM they could find to safe a cent or two on every CPU they sell. "You don't like our hot chips with crappy TIn? Well goyim, perhaps you can try the risky delidding...but would you not rather buy our server leftovers? Look at the 5820k, it has 6 cores! And we soldered it like we used to do in the mainstream!!"
Intel is a company, so they jew us because they ahve zero competition. I don't believe they keep alien tech hidden because they are jewing us, they just no longer care about mainstream desktop as they ahve zero competition. So we get no more cores, and more and more of the CPU being taken in by a crappy iGPU. And intel just laughs and tells us to get an x99. Mainly because we have no choice.
>>54019735
Intel forced MOBO manufacturers to update their bios to block that
Fucking Jews
>>54019746
>they stopped soldering the CPU's after Sandy Bridge
>Look at the 5820k, it has 6 cores! And we soldered it like we used to do in the mainstream!!
Nice cock Ahmed now go away you don't know shit about computers
>>54019487
It does, however show a marked improvement in minimum frame rate, and more stability.
Just bought an i5-6600k, coming from a fx-6300, thats why I upgraded faggot
>>54018563
It is if BMW isn't doubling the performance because they decided to make their m3's into half a boat and replaced the engine cooler with a more crappy one. And if you say that you don't want a car that can float, because you will never use it as you already have a way better boat, BMW points toward their more expensive m7 cars who aren't cripped by some retard deciding to add an useless function.
>>54019529
doesnt an eGPU need a monitor too?
im familiar with the whole mini pcie to full pcie think for egpu extensions but if you still need a monitor and dont shell out for an expensive usb powered monitor then its not very portable at all
>>54019803
No it doesn't. You're confusing the difference between i5/i7 with the difference between Intel generations
Pretty much 2 games use hyperthreading, Arma 3 and one other I don't fucking remember. And Arma 3 doesn't matter because it's already pretty much single threaded.
The only major complaint I have with Intel is the lack of PCIE lanes on their consumer chips. It doesn't make sense why the 66(7)00k only has 16 lanes, especially since they know the people buying these chips will be using a GPU in the x16 lane.
>>54019819
If you were buying a tower you need a monitor anyway.
>usb powered monitor
wut
>>54019819
Sure it is. If you're just getting work done you don't need the GPU hooked up and now therefore don't need to be tied to a monitor or power outlet. If you're doing gaymen then you're going to be sitting around by an outlet for sure.
>>54019783
It's Pierre, not Ahmed. But nice guess, 99% of the people here are now Ahmed or Tyrone.
>>54019828
Newsflash: Skylake (and its chipset) isn't that great. They were designed to be thrown into the latest overpriced Alienware by Dell brick and mortar PC shitbox. Real PC enthusiasts have already been on HEDT chipsets for a few years now.
>>54018808
I'd be very curious to know how much, if any, of the boost the 6700K sees is from higher bandwidth DDR4. I would've liked to see something like 4.4 Haslel with 2400MHz DDR3 against 4.4 Skylel with 2400MHz DDR4.
I'm fine with my i3 2120 and it was just 100 bucks 4 years ago.
>>54020219
>2400MHz DDR3 against 2400MHz DDR4
...you DO realize that the higher bandwidth of DDR4 comes from having higher clocks as a standard, right?
And anyway, for general use the boost is jackshit. The main benefit comes from having lower voltage and therefore lower power consumption.
>>54020402
>...you DO realize that the higher bandwidth of DDR4 comes from having higher clocks as a standard, right?
Did you actually read my post and think for 5s?
>>54020438
Did you? 2400 MHz DDR3 has the exact same bandwidth as 2400 MHz DDR4.
>>54020554
Which was exactly the fucking point, make the bandwidth the same to see if the 6700k performance increase was due to the CPU or the memory, holy fuck.
I guess the answer to my question was that you did in fact not stop to think for 5s.
>>54020219
The smarter comparison would be to downclock Skylake memory to DDR4-1600 and see how much difference that makes.
Massively overclocking DDR3 doesn't tell you anything
>>54019803
I have a Xeon E3
It has a very slight improvement in minimum frames. Nothing that should make you pay $100 more just to have more threads, if all you care about is gaming. Most people will be fine dipping to 50 FPS instead of dipping to 53 FPS.
>>54020640
The bandwidth of ddr4 shines at 3k and above. That's when it can really start to make noticeable improvements.
>>54019826
>>54020946
Here ya go.
https://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=EhaB1dqYv_I>>54020946
>>54014866
Last decent bump was the second generation core I series, everything after that was a small increase in IPC with either a very small bump in clocks or a clock regression. A current gen core will still be a significant upgrade over the 2xxx because there are four generations of incremental upgrades.
>>54014866
i5 2500k here. Can't justify 300-400 to upgrade just yet... maybe in a few generations.
>>54014866
>i5-2500K passmark score: 6453
>i7-4790K passmark score: 11208
so what you're telling me that instead of getting the i7-4790K a year ago I should have bought a used 2500K that's only half as powerful?
Old CPU was a shitty AMD Phenom that produced more heat than a nuclear power plant and performed like shit.
>>54022097
>artificial benchmarks
>meaning anything
Where in the flying fuck do you get the idea that OP was suggesting anyone should buy an old CPU? He's talking about when and why you should upgrade, retard.
In gaming you can get 10-20fps more with newer CPUs. Performance with resource-intensive tasks is also much better. So people stuck on old CPUs, what do you actually use your computer for? If you just need a facebook machine or word processor, yeah an old CPU is fine But Sandy Bridge isn't anywhere near the magic architecture /g/ seems to think it is.
>>54018883
30fps doesn't mean anything. If it's up 30 from 700FPS then it's literally nothing. If it's 30FPS up from 50fps then it's great. At least do like a % increase or something.
>>54021255
No, it can start to make noticable improvements at 1080p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er_Fuz54U0Y
The Witcher 3 actually prefers faster RAM over a CPU overclock.
>>54022305
Because things become memes and people just repeat them forever. Sandy Bridge was great, and still perfectly adequate for most people's needs once overclocked. But it's left in the dust by Skylake, especially for gaymen. It's just going to take a while for "never obselete :^)" memesters to get their around that.
It was the same thing with dual core CPUs. Less than two years ago /g/ was heartily recommending the G3258 because "gaymes don't use more than two cores". Now almost every gayme demands a quad core, with catastrophic performance on anything less (some even refuse to boot with less than four threads available), and even overclocked to 4GHz+ the G3258 is completely worthless for new AA titles.
>>54018808
Supricingly big difference bethween those cpus but still, reasons to upgrade:none (assuming only for gaymen)
>>54022404
I'm starting to think "do the opposite of what /g/ says" is valid advice. Waitfags on /g/ were wrong too, news of new GPUs sounds less and less impressive, I'm willing to bet there's a lot of people here who waited for no new reason. The only reason to be excited for new GPUs is DX12 and the initial release of DX12 has been lackluster so far. By the time there's enough newgames out to justify a new GPU you'll probably be ready for an upgrade anyway.
One good reason to upgrade to Skylake or Haswell-E/Broadwell-E is new Intel CPUs will no longer support Windows 7 or 8.1, if that's a big deal to you. Windows 10 is the only supported Windows system on Kaby Lake and beyond, if you don't upgrade now you may be fucked in the future.
>>54014961
>For some reason, /g/ thinks sandy bridge was some magic architecture that you never need to upgrade from.
The reason we think that is because Sandy overclocks so high that it can make up for the 5% per generation performance increment that the newer K type CPUs had. And it still uses soldered IHS instead of the later ones that all use thermal paste to make overclocking more difficult (Intel hates overclocking).
The best reason for later CPUs is probably PCIe v3, and better USB3 support. Maybe NVMe boot, but drives aren't common/cheap enough for that.
Since this is a cpu thread, and there's no build threads up, I have a friend running a gtx 760 and and FX-6300. Which is the bigger bottleneck in games? They're both pretty low end components.
Would it be worth it to tell him to upgrade to an fx 8350, or to go intel (requiring new mobo), or to wait out for zen (also requiring new mobo).
>>54023249
Depends which he values more: being able to run games at higher settings or having constant 60 fps. Kepler works like crap in many newer games, so I'd lean towards upgrading the GPU first and waiting for Zen(or its successor, even, depending on his budget) before getting a new CPU.
>>54023409
I honestly don't know what he plays other than World of Warcraft. He was just complaining about his aging machine. I assumed the cpu was the worse performing part because of the fx series's low IPC and the fact that its a low end chip. I agree though that Kepler aged like milk.
>>54022275
then why wouldn't i upgrade? the 2500K is slow as hell for a desktop cpu
>>54022689
>tfw I bought a 3930k from retail edge for $100
>tfw I won't need to upgrade for another 4 years
>>54014866
>Bought 3570k
>Perfectly fine and stable @4.20GHz, could do more but why
>Go freedoms because MS's shitty behaviour pisses you off
>Want to gayme
>The games I play the most are native, but sometimes you need to change things up plus unity 3d has half the windows performance
>Find out about pci passthrough
>Near native perfomance in a VM
>CPU doesn't support it
And that's why I bought 6600k with new mobo and ram, fuck you jewtel, non k version had it
>>54025202
>Bought 3570k
>Go freedoms because MS's shitty behaviour pisses you off
>And that's why I bought 6600k
You dun goofed, nigger
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/skylake-users-given-18-months-to-upgrade-to-windows-10/
>tfw waiting for Zen
>tfw waiting for haswell performance
>>54025815
>article says windows users need to upgrade
>telling him he goofd
go back to school senpai
>>54025865
Skylake disables many features on Linux or other non-Windows OS
>>54014866
Most of the improvements are coming in chipset features.
They're locking people into upgrading their CPUs to get those chipset features.
>>54020402
Lowering the clocks on DDR4 would result in better timings anyway which would reduce the latency and could result in better performance depending on whether the issue was raw bandwidth or access latency.
It is a fair thing to test.
>>54026583
I've seen someone on Overclockers do this. He bought a set of G.Skill TridentZ and downclocked them from 2666 to 2133 and was able to get the timings down to ridiculous levels (for DDR4, at least)
>>54026717
>under $175
That's a pretty sweet deal for a quad-core CPU. That's not even $50 more than an AMD A10, and those are budget APUs.
>>54025934
Such as?
As someone who has a 980ti and a 2500k, I can definitely feel the 2500k being the bottleneck of the the system. Espcially when I can't even get a constant 120fps in BC2 at 1080p.
>>54014866
I don't. My cpu is from 2008, just like everything else. Ive been using the same mobo for so long I have >5 confirmed blown capacitors.
>mfw everything still works the same
>>54026803
nsa backdoor hardware acceleration
>>54022404
you tard he was refering to the rated max speed of the ram not screen resolution
I've personally been using an i5 2500k for a while. I'll be upgrading to a 6950X or a 6900K when they come out since I like making video content now and have disposable income. I don't plan to upgrade from that CPU for a while since Intel's performance increase per generation is minimal. I don't have high hopes for Xen in terms of "enthusiast" grade CPUs.
