This kill the freetard
Can you run wine in it?
>>53984404
You fucked up your English this time, rajesh.
No rupees today
>>53984404
Nope, it doesn't.
In fact, I don't care even a little bit. It's not going to make me hate Microsoft or Windows 10 any less.
i can already run linux programs (in linux)
>>53984467
But sir i try my best! I work day night for company
>>53984404
you're not doing yourselves any favor
this is like NK taking a tourist prisoner and a bunch of retards going "haha NK won a war against the US"
>>53984698
Rajesh my son
You did your best. But our telemetry data shows that you are not taking your online English classes regularly. You breached our company rule.
If you continue to mess up grammar you will no longer be able to participate the reputation management project.
You are warned.
-Prajeet
MS RMP HQ
Do not feed the trolls.
freetards did that over a decade ago with coLinux
>>53984764
Top fucking kek.
>>53984404
What is more deserving of a capital punishment?
Proprietary software running in WINE on GNU + Linux?
Or FLOSS software running on proprietary OS such as Windows?
>>53984764
>But our telemetry data shows that you are not taking your online English classes regularly.
>>53984404
You should really help poor children in Uganda, OP.
>>53984404
>Use Linux for years
>get a new laptop with win 8.1
>take the update to win10
>ehh, it's not bad, still going to install Linux
>hear about the Linux subsystem
Why even bother? Lately I've been realizing that most of my tools work on Windows too. I miss that last 10-15% really bad (real ssh without putty, gnus, etc.), but I made do so far. If I can get that last 10-15% of functionality and tools I had on Linux, without giving up the ability to run Windows shit, and without having to deal dual booting, why would I bother installing and running Linux separately?
I don't think this will kill *nix, and I don't think it'll stop hobbyists from playing with it or servers from running it, but it does make a difference for people like me, who want the greatest amount of tools without the compromise and inconvenience of having to use an entirely different second operating system.
>>53984778
>Half assed kernel port that runs japanese version of Knoppix with KDE from decades ago
No thanks
>>53984920
>2004
>>53984920
that screenshot is from 2004, dumbass, it ran the then-current version of knoppix
>>53984764
Fucking hell m8
>>53984404
font in vim?
>>53984933
>>53984959
Come back with a working screenshot from 2016 fagglord
>>53984404
nice try wincuck, we've all tried it and laughed at how horrible it implements everything
>>53984963
Segoe UI
>>53984833
The later one. Stupid question.
>>53984764
My sides
Does it actually work well?
Is there any integration with the rest of the OS? Is this like WINE where WINE programs are segregated from normal programs, or do these programs act just like normal programs?
What is Canonical getting out of the deal?
I won't use it either way since the overall design of Windows is still crap and I can just use Linux instead, but I am intrigued.
>>53985060
see >>53984988
267
>>53984988
It is like reversing wine on windows.
At some point, the spyware and the entire windows environment will interfere with what developers do in linux that you cannot implement on windows.
>>53985060
From what I can tell, it seems quite segregated. There are essentially two separate userspaces. They have some communication and can share a filesystem, but they don't seem anywhere near seamlessly integrated.
All in all, I don't see the advantage over a VM. Slightly better performance and that's about it.
>>53984404
Please run sudo apt-get install openbox obconf then proceed to run exec openbox-session
Thanks.
>>53984404
>run a semi decent OS inside an OS that is literal spyware, and is also susceptible to tons of malware
vs
>run Ubuntu and Windows in a VM for the programs that don't have a port or don't work in Wine
Windows 10 is shit
So is this GNU/WIndows?
>>53985060
It's like Wine in that it translates Linux syscalls into windows syscalls. It's not like Wine in that it's not a separate program you run, it's an entire subsystem living inside of Windows. A better comparison is the built-in Linux compatibility layer in BSD'S and plan9.
>does it run well?
It was literally just announced and is still in a beta you have to sign up for through the windows insider program. It's not even really out yet, and won't be for months. Don't be dumb enough to download beta software for testing and complain about beta quality and bugs.
>>53985060
>Is this like WINE where WINE programs are segregated from normal programs, or do these programs act just like normal programs?
i'm not sure what you think wine does, but wine integrates programs with the system
>>53984404
>This kill the freetard
Nice font rendering, loser.
Nice kernel, loser.
Nice filesystem support, loser.
Nice viruses, loser.
Nice package manager, loser.
I enjoy not getting spied on and controlled by my own operating system, thanks.
>>53985136
With the use of kvm, running virtual system in linxu and linux/gnu is more efficient. HyperV is 13% slower.
I would have to say kvm is a better experience for running virtual objects.
>>53985140
>It's not like Wine in that it's not a separate program you run, it's an entire subsystem living inside of Windows.
I understand the technical differences, but I don't see any reason to care. What does that mean in practice?
How is it different from WINE in actual usage?
How is it different from a VM in actual usage?
>beta
Beta's pretty late in the development cycle. It's supposed to be feature-complete. If it's still total shit, it won't get much better.
>>53984764
>>53985138
Yes
>>53985152
You know, I use linux/gnu full time on all my systems.
I say that because doing so does not imply that I am better then people. As such, you're being a cunt to another person because you somehow think that this type of development enhances how linux is better.
Like dickhead, mate, Microsoft is simply trying to help out developers. I doubt you're even employed to see some of the functions it offers.
I am not implying it has no faults. But I am implying that calling someone a loser is what autistic children say when they think their OS enhances their ability to mate with the opposite sex,
>>53985128
You can't tell much I guess, if you think an integration layer leads to a segregated userspace. If you want a segregated userspace, use a vm. If you want an integrated one, use a compatibility layer. Windows, like many other OS's, is divided into kernel space and user space. The WSL lets you run Linux and Windows programs in the same userspace. That's even the point of WINE. I get that Windows is shit, but don't let your dislike get in the way of thinking clearly. By definition, it's not a segregated userspace.
>>53985152
>Nice viruses, loser.
This is a pretty valid point... I would give this a try if it wasn't for malware. I don't want to constantly wonder whether my System has been compromised already by some fucking drive-by exploit or some other shit.
autism
>>53985221
>I say that because doing so does not imply that I am better than people
But being better than people does imply using Linux.
>>53984877
Wine is currently better than Microsofts abomination.
>>53985264
Please do kubuntu-desktop
>>53985264
Install gnome-shell, remove explorer plz
>>53985264
Cmd is pretty shit, just slow terminal overall.
Can you install urxvt?
>>53985264
Nice security you got there.
>>53985305
Pretending to be secure wouldn't benefit Windows.
>>53985167
>How is it different from WINE in actual usage?
Better support by the developers of the operating system. The wine development team doesn't have access to Windows source code, the windows team does.
>How is it different from a VM in actual usage?
They interact and coexist in the same space.
Use whatever tool you want though, nobody's pressuring you here. I'm not really interested in OS shit storm arguments if that's what you wanted. If you don't see any reason to care, then don't use it.
>>53984764
Massive kek
>>53985221
>As such, you're being a cunt to another person because you somehow think that this type of development enhances how linux is better.
He's being a cunt because OP is being a cunt. You can't try to take the moral high ground when OP was mocking Linux users.
>>53985224
>You can't tell much I guess, if you think an integration layer leads to a segregated userspace.
WINE has a segregated userspace. It creates a virtual C drive which Windows programs inhabit. That is not the same as having Windows programs truly running alongside normal ones.
>>53985293
I'd rather use Windows full-time than Wine, it's a damn nightmare.
>>53985282
No it is,
a) Being employed with the requirement of both working in a programming focused environment, and working with a long term online system.
For example, making programming segments that are then uploaded to the cloud server located onsite and offsite at your work place.
b) strong support for software development in both network application design and new network stack cloud systems.
Linux here may be a dick measuring contest but I use linux/gnu for paid work.
>>53985305
He was logged in as root.
Some people do that rather than using sudo. I don't understand why.
>>53985346
Sure bud, but wine isn't the tool being discussed here.
>>53985362
>typing sudo before every command is fun
no it isn't
>>53985318
That is true. I would still be worried if a future dickhead son of mine would then have access to a bash shell with root privileges without needing administrative account.
I see installing this will involve exploits working easier.
>>53985319
>They interact and coexist in the same space.
Do they really, though? WINE programs don't really coexist with normal programs. They are in a virtual C drive.
With this system, do Ubuntu programs just show up in Program Files? Or do they have a separate Ubuntu pseudo-partition?
>>53985380
Having full su access is dangerous. You can know what you're doing but you are allowing bash processes to run in a root shell. Sudo as least has limitations on system access.
>>53985369
No, but we ARE discussing integration layers. I have never seen an integration layer that is truly integrated. The best-known integration layer (namely WINE) is definitely not perfectly integrated. What makes you think this will be?
>>53985380
I don't type it before every command. I type it before commands that need root privileges, which most do not. The improved security and less chance of fucking things up makes up for a little bit of extra typing.
>>53985362
How does root work in windows. Is it worse then system user? or the same as administrative?
>>53985380
You could also sudo -i
>>53985415
I don't know.
He was logged in as root in the Ubuntu terminal. Does that mean he was also root in Windows? Do they have two separate sets of permissions or do they share them?
This is a cool idea, but it's also bizarre and I have no idea how it works.
>>53985385
how does "they get put in a specific folder" equate to "they don't co-exist"?
do linux programs that are installed in /opt/<programname> not co-exist with others either?
wine integrates the programs by sharing the filesystem (the virtual C: is just a plain folder, and the root is accessible via Z: by default), they access resources like sound, windowing, HIDs, 3D accelleration, etc in a native manner, they appear as normal windows, with appropriate properties, they can invoke native notifications, use the native system tray, and so on
>>53985442
It rather is breaking the permission rules. I do see this being an issue for security. Ether the windows system is controlling the bash process or the bash processes is seen as running root as running a program.
This breaks my head. Fuck you Windows.
>>53985221
>This kills the freetard.
>H-hey, stop hurting my feelings, guys! SO IMMATURE!
>>53985468
>how does "they get put in a specific folder" equate to "they don't co-exist"?
Because that specific folder is organized totally differently from the rest of the system. They do not have config files like other software. They are not installed, uninstalled, or upgraded with the normal tools. They do not look or behave anything like normal programs. They are kept in a separate environment that is little like the rest of the system.
>>53984404
>This kill the freetard
No, because the GNU/Linux community doesn't aim for cuckolded market share; instead we aim for freedom in computing.
Try again, botnet shill.
>>53985655
We don't even WANT people using our software! haha!
I think this is going to become a classic case of "embrace, extend, extinguish."
Micro$oft is trying to kill Linux.
>>53984404
>xeyes still has a window frame bar
you tried so hard too pajeet
>>53985633
Well of course it's fucking like that you stupid retard.
It's supposed to be emulating programs that are expecting to be run in a Windows environment.
>>53984877
>real ssh without putty
Just install MSYS2, it has pretty much all command line tools (and lots of GUI tools as well) that you'd normally expect to use on Linux, such as bash/zsh/..., gcc/gdb, python, ffmpeg, mpv, ...
The difference is that they run natively on Windows without any emulation (except for some features in the stdlib maybe).
Who would've thought that when the year of linux desktop finally arrived it would be on windows.
>>53985702
the extend part is problematic with the GPL license.
they're just trying to get back all the developers theyve lost
>>53985750
DELETE THIS!!
>>53985633
of course, wine does what it can in that regard anyway (for example, if a windows program make a desktop shortcut, it will actually make it to the linux desktop folder, as well as some other basic folders like "my documents")
windows-specific stuff has to be laid out like it is in windows, as that's what the program expects to see
putting gnu shit on top of windows is like covering your shack with imported mosaic rajeesh
>>53984404
But it's still windows?
Why would you want that?
That doesn't solve anything.
>>53985753
Buttravaged OP
>>53985750
Actually-laughed/10
>>53984404
>This kills the freetards
>Runs VIM
Oh the irony.
>>53984764
keks
>>53984686
Good, I can run both Linux and Windows programs.
>>53985305
Normal user accounts are coming with the official non-beta release.
>>53984404
>Ubuntu
Dropped.
>>53986184
So can he.
>using botnet 10 to acces shitty linux apps
thats the next level of autism
>>53984404
But I can already run the only two windows programs worth a damn
Can someone explain to me whats the logic behind this purchase?
Its like microsoft bought ubuntu just to piss people off.
>>53986317
You can't say that someone has autism and then proceed to post autistic cartoon picture.
>>53986317
>>53986414
id never understand why g butthurt so hard over chineese cartoons
>>53986464
SJWs
>>53986526
>due to backlash
It faded away like every other shitty meme, if it had gotten backlash it would have lasted longer.
>>53986459
True autism
>>53985753
Stupid nigger
I didn't reply to him but I thought it was pretty funny.
R.I.P.
>>53984404
How can I install this? Is it a new ISO for W10?
