I'm not sure if linux and mac os are any different.
I mean, they both come under the same family tree.
Whats your opinion, /g/?
I know what you mean OP, and now that there is GNU/Windows I don't think it matters what OS you run anymore.
Please do a lot of reading.
>>53911093
only /g/ thinks that it does matter what OS you use.
As long as it fits your needs, it's alright.
>>53911110
>>53911093
GNU/Windows is shit though. Firefox doesn't even work right
It opens for a split second then crashes
xterm doesn't even work as it can't get a pty
In general it's shit.
They feel pretty different.
OS X users can't into /proc, /sys, networking features, filesystem support, systemd the best init system, and as of late, text mode. yes, apple broke text mode. you're not supposed to realize OS X is just a shitty UNIX.
It's me, op.
I only have to delete a few applications on my mac, thus, technically, making it free software.
They both don't really function differently.
>>53911144
There's also the empty /home directory, pointless movement of /tmp, /var and /etc into /private with symlinks from the old locations.
>>53911144
>>53912295
Unix was always meant to be hacked on. If you are butthurt from a few file hierarchy differences then you've never used any commercial Unixes. Plus /proc and /sys were written for the Linux kernel and ported, but of course /proc is shit.
>>53911093
>shoving a bloatware inside a massive bloatware
>good
Why is /g/ so retarded?
>>53912343
/proc is a great idea done poorly
it was better on plan 9
>>53911134
As of now
Linux doesn't have a good DE and AMD doesn't give support to GCN 1.0 cards with decent drivers. It only -just werks- on laptops, too. It doesn't have certain proprietary software for actual work other than programming.
>>53911123
Said that once, had many sperglords come after me like rabid feminazis.
>>53911076
>same family tree
They aren't though...OSX is a BSD fork, Linux has nothing to do with BSD.
>>53911076
OSX is basically what Linux should be and they are certainly more familiar than Linux/OSX and Winshit.
>>53913341
I want the "OSX is BSD" meme to die
>>53913487
>superior open sores kernel
>>53913521
both are open-source,
only one is shit
>>53913562
The one that could never become relevant for home users even though the OS build on it as free?
>>53913574
The same one that's used for numerous critical high-availability systems and powers large part of the computing infrastructure?
No I meant the one people use to browse Facebook.
>>53913590
>comparing server with home users
>>53913609
You're right, home users don't need things like security, efficiency, stability, flexibility, etc..
>>53913638
They already have enough of those buzzwords
But you're right about security specifically.
>>53913638
If these get overshadowed by lack of usability, there isn't too much benefit. Besides, it's not like OSX has issues with stability.
>>53913657
If they had enough of buzzwords why would they use an Apple product?
>>53911123
>>53913325
That's because you're avoiding the discussion in order to, what exactly? Discussing this kind of shit is exactly what /g/ is for. If you don't care about operating systems that doesn't mean you can say they're equally good and be done with it, because this is a FUCKING TECHNOLOGY BOARD.
E.g. Saying every car is equally fast on the car board, or saying every meal tastes the same on the cooking board. What on earth are you doing here?
>>53913638
You're giving people two options:
-Buy a piece of hardware with an operating system they don't need to set up too much in order to get it working without issues and allows them to access their work or entertainment (with the exception of games) just fine
-Use an OS for security, efficiency, stability, flexibility, and when it comes to the part they have to do something productive, they get locked up in the learning process so a percentage of what they're looking for gets to work. Because after all the important part is the OS, not what one can do with it, right?
>>53913761
>Buy a piece of hardware with an operating system they don't need to set up too much in order to get it working without issues and allows them to access their work or entertainment (with the exception of games) just fine
Which already exists for Linux?
The real difference lies in marketing.
Everyone knows Macbooks but no one knows what to except from some Dell with Ubuntu pre-installed.
>>53913734
You didn't get the "fit your needs" thing, eh?
If somebody wants to play vidya, he couldn't care less about Loonix having more ricing options. If somebody is a poorfag, he couldn't care less about OSX being perfect out of the box. If somebody wants ricing, he couldn't care less about Windows/OSX running quality software.
>>53913798
>work on Linux
>without Office and good programs content creation
Not everybody is a code monkey, anon.
>>53913734
You don't seem to understand. It's not that every car is equally fast. It's that one person may get a preference because x car has x feature that suits their personal needs, while a different car has a different one that suits the needs of someone different. Excuse that I can't give an example because cars in general are not my subject.
Or, hell. "Every meal tastes the same". Would you argue with someone because he doesn't like seafood? Sure enough you might discuss the healthy aspects of it, but really if you're just talking about taste, it's more pointless to do this kind of discussion than to accept it's all down to -personal taste-. Not everyone should like what you like, nor should you like what some others like.
With OSes it's the same. No, it's not that all are the same. Far from that. You can point out flaws and advantages on every system. You can discuss them. If you already have what you need on a specific system though, why the need to discuss it? You might use Windows because it has games, that's your decision, no one here is being unpaid because of it. Neither does someone using Linux because they want, I don't know, a fucking different desktop environment (as silly as that may appear to anyone of an excuse) affect you directly.
Now you have people telling you to switch because regardless of what your personal goals are, "it's better because it has something you didn't care about before, but you're going to lack something you cared about before." Rather than waste your time on this, you could have done what you found adequate for your personal needs.
>>53913839
>without Office
I've seen tons of normies work with LibreOffice.
Schools also use it often.
Many also use crap like Google docs nowadays.
>and good programs content creation
Are you saying "muh photoshop"?
Normies really don't give a shit.
>>53913874
Neither of the programs are real alternatives. They are better than nothing, so you can TECHNICALLY do all the things in a way you can technically still run Windows 2000 but it's simply a much, much worse experience.
Also normies give a shit about UI, unless heavy riced, any distru looks like it's from the 00s.
>>53911076
Linux is a superior Kernel to Darwin
Aqua is a superior desktop environment
Quartz is a superior compositor+window system
CoreAudio is a superior Audio system
SELinux is a superior security system.
It's a pity we can't use them together.
>>53913798
Consider this: What are "normies" looking for these days if they don't need a computer for work? They just want something to browse the internet, listen to music, watch videos and play some silly shit.
You know what does that already? An android tablet. They don't need a computer, they don't need a macbook, but even less they would need to buy just a random laptop with a linux distro.
>>53913912
>Neither of the programs are real alternatives
For anything a normie has to do with it, they are.
>Also normies give a shit about UI, unless heavy riced, any distru looks like it's from the 00s.
The fuck are you talking about?
Look at any popular noob distro.
Those are not using CDE anymore.
>>53913934
...or ChromeOS
Both are based on Linux.
>>53913934
>listen to music
>on Linux
I still haven't found a media player that isn't buttugly. At best there is Spotify for the streaming idiots.
>>53913949
>For anything a normie has to do with it, they are.
Not really, no. Besides once we leave the "writes job letters" the use of content creation software leaves the newby territory. Working on Loonix in a creative field isn't viable unless you're some kind of masochist.
>Look at any popular noob distro.
They all look like a mix of XP and 7 or old ass OSX versions. Jesus, the dock and launcher in Ubuntu/Xubuntu looks like a joke.
>>53913960
It comes down to that really.
Still the funny thing is that originally this was a "home users and the other versions of BSD vs OSX" and now it's "OSX vs Chrome OS/Android for people who barely need a computer for anything other than writing shit"
>>53913998
>Working on Loonix in a creative field isn't viable unless you're some kind of masochist.
Who the fuck is talking about /gd/ stuff?
Just because you're some furry artist, doesn't mean the rest of the world is.
>baww aesthetics
Just a reminder, we were talking about kernels here, not UI design. Look at Linus' post again.
>>53914046
>Who the fuck is talking about /gd/ stuff?
Just because you're a ricer, doesn't mean the rest of the world is either.
>we were talking about kernels here, not UI design
One without the other is worthless for home users.
>>53914055
>Just because you're a ricer, doesn't mean the rest of the world is either.
No one's talking about ricing but you.
>One without the other is worthless for home users.
Again, read Linus' post. It has zero relevance here.
>>53914071
Ricing and coding is the only excuse for a home user to use Linux, sans being an owner of an extremely poor company.
>Again, read Linus' post. It has zero relevance here.
It's jerking off over muh open sores kernel, which is irrelevant if it's not used by an OS that is viable for most users.
>>53913341
Both are implementations of Unix. The typical Linux distro includes some utilities that came from BSD, and OSX comes with a handful of GNU utilities installed. OSX and Linux can at least be counted as distantly related.
>>53914046
Graphic design is not deviantart. Just like programming is not github. For every useful programmer there's a fuckton of them designing stupid shit like another fork of a tiling window manager that only true neckbeards would spend the time to masturbate to.
>>53914104
>Ricing and coding is the only excuse for a home user to use Linux
Watching gay porn is the only excuse for a home user to use OS X.
See how this nonsense brings us nowhere?
>It's jerking off over muh open sores kernel
He's criticizing the OS X kernel, Apple could have any design on top of any kernel. How distro X looks has no bearing whatsoever on it.
>Graphic design is not deviantart.
Graphic design is also not normie.
Very, very few home users need something like Photoshop.
>>53913839
>>53913761
Of course personal preference is a factor, the problem is that its far from the only factor. You can deny any discussion about anything by saying you just do what best for you, but that implies ignoring the objective part of it that is actually very much you can debate about, even though you're not going to use the objectively better one because your subjective factors make another option weigh more. Saying something like "it doesn't matter what OS you use" implies that personal preference is the only factor, especially on subjects like OS in which people are used to Windows and some have never seriously tried Linux, it's unrealistic that someone has what they would like best, and much more likely that they don't know the alternative well enough to have a decent opinion about it.
I have used all three main OSes as main OS, and I can argue that as OS Linux is the technologically better one.
Telling people to switch and ignoring personal factors is unreasonable, but so is using the OS you're familiar with and saying "it doesn't matter which OS you use".
And then there's the ethical side of it. A large part of the population uses Windows because their corrupt marketing strategy made them big, a large part of the population uses Apple because they hire a lot of designers and make their OS seem much better than it actually is, then they don't give users the freedom to tinker around with their OS, or know what's going on. Linux has a developer user base from people who have discussions about technology and make their own shit open to others, /g/ discussions are actually a great gate to get people to know the *better* OS, or at least to form a decent opinion about it.
>>53914170
Thanks for the essay anon totally read it.
>>53914170
The original post claims that only people in here think that it matters which OS you use.
Truth is, it does. It does matter in regards to your personal needs. If you use something else, you might get a better or worse experience, not the exact same in all cases. Users should take in account what they truly want rather than go with what someone else's opinion is and complain later on is what I'm saying.
Many people are used to Windows, sure. It shows because most non expensive prebuilt computers have Windows installed, and most desktop environments try to mimic it in order to avoid the so called "baby duck syndrome" from which many users suffer. That doesn't mean however that with their current hardware they will get a better experience using something else. They might be fine with their choice, they might have something that they will definitely lack when they switch to other system. Same as with any users of any other OS. I deny the notion that one of the operating systems can do it all because it simply is not true. Each of them do fit specific needs, or even less of "needs" and more of "luxuries" when it comes to certain software, and while I agree that some can either be replaced or put away, one can also choose to not engage in a war of misinformation, as there is quite a lot.
No matter what I used right now, someone here would come at me and tell me that I'm wrong for using it. It doesn't matter much to me because I know exactly what I want, what problems I have and which problems I would have if I were to switch to other popular systems. But to be dragged from side to side is not always the best solution to your problems.
If you were to say what you specifically need that your system provides you, it is guaranteed someone will argue about it, no matter if you get exactly, 100% what you want (which is highly unrealistic).
>>53911076
OS X is NeXTSTEP, based on BSD 4.3 with a hybrid kernel based on Mach, updated to BSD 4.4, initially updated with NetBSD components but switched to FreeBSD by the time it was released
Linux is an OS made to run like UNIX, not actually descended from anything
Until I can put good AMD drivers on linux and use Gnome 3 in OSX I cannot say they're the same
>>53914539
>OS X
>good AMD drivers
>>53914551
Definitely better. I can have a desktop environment that doesn't stutter or has tearing issues on a fucking rebrand of a 7970.
>>53914565
That has nothing to do with the drivers.
That's thanks to OSX's display server.
>>53913487
Holy shit, rekt.
>>53913487
That just sounds like a whole lotta butthurt
>>53911093
>GNU/Windows
Are you referring to NSA/Windows?
>>53914582
Well, if that's true then I won't praise the AMD drivers, but OSX's display server.
I tried wayland on Fedora and I don't have a much better experience, but I'm not expecting it this early.
Besides I always get told how AMD is to blame for my desktop performance because gnome 3 and cinnamon and KDE work all pretty nice on crappy chinese laptops but this can't handle it.
>>53914593
You'd be butthurt to if you had to optimize a application with lots of file i/o on OS X.
>>53913874
>Are you saying "muh photoshop"?
I've noticed how, in order to desperately find use cases where Linux isn't a good option, Photoshop always gets brought up like it's used in every household. This despite Wine running it.
It's almost like someone said "ok what's a program that doesn't have Linux ports and that some people need?" Photoshop? Ok swarm /g/ with that, that shit is as essential as init now"
>>53914382
If you actually know exactly what the alternatives are and what you want, which is impossible to some degree, then sure you don't need to discuss about it. That's different than saying it doesn't matter or you shouldn't care.
Then there's the freedom of Linux which makes Linux essentially different, because each problem or need can, and likely has been, solved in a proper way by users. Of course, big corporations bring out their software to the platforms with most users, but that is not relevant to the discussion of which OS, as OS, is -better-, though it is a factor in which OS you would more likely use.
E.g. you could justifiably use OS X, acknowledge that Linux and Mac are essentially different, and acknowledge Linux is better as OS, but not as platform.
>>53913912
>unless heavy riced, any distru looks like it's from the 00s.
I like how you managed to prove you've never used Linux.
>>53914625
Yeah it's like the rest of the Adobe suite just doesn't exist. Personally I use photoshop rarely, illustrator is my kind of shit.
>>53914634
Besides, don't Adobe products run better on Windows these days?
Apple seems to love pissing on Adobe.
>>53914610
>I tried wayland on Fedora
Did you run mpv? It has issues on Wayland Fedora, like full-screen with videos with a different aspect ratio from my screen just "fill" to the left and instead of a black bar on the right it shows the background (wallpaper). This is using vo=wayland
>>53914655
As an OSX user I can tell you that it's a bit faster on Windows. Another factor is shortcuts which are a little bit different there, but that's not just that important.
>>53914664
Unfortunately not. I tried Wayland with Gnome 3.18, not many things graphical. As measurement I always get different browsers and see if I can notice things like tearing on videos or scrolling websites. I also play with animations, for instance when switching between desktops in that task view/mission control whatever they call it for Gnome. I notice different amounts of stuttering but it definitely chokes no matter what I do. Proprietary drivers, FOSS, switching to wayland.
Of course one might argue "stop using Gnome anon, that might solve your problem" but I also tried other DEs that just happened to have more animations than fading and had similar experiences.
