http://fossbytes.com/microsoft-canonical-bring-ubuntu-linux-on-windows-10/
2016 IS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
>>53765146
The botnet is coming together!
the flying fuck?
I would definitely use linux-GNU (or whatever the hobbit expects me to call it) if there was a bootcamp-like way to access windows applications as needed. I think my hopes will have to be pinned on Cisco's Citrix/XenApp product line.
Winblows botnet Integrates GNU/Lenix
>Time to move to TempleOS
Huh. I was wondering what would be Ubuntu's latest attempt to an hero.
>>53765146
>Microsoft Partners With Canonical
Why do I have de-ja-vu? has this headline happened before?
Looks like I'm not using Ubuntu or it's spinoffs ever again :^)
"Linux fans shouldn’t expect Ubuntu to come along with its Unity interface. Instead, it’ll rely on Bash and CLI tools like make, gawk, and grep."
Embrace...
Being able to use bash on windows without the annoying cigwyn would be a major plus, and since that's all they're aiming for I'm happy with this
All I wanted on Windows was a different DE and font rendering. Does this have nothing to do with it?
GENTOO BTFO
SUCK IT NERDS
>>53765146
Great now we only need to bloody find a way to get gentoo on it.
Time to pick an RPM-based distro, methinks.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety
DAILY REMINDER
>>53765146
For what fucking reason is this a thing?
>>53765347
>red hat
>safe
14.04 was the last decent release anyway
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Ubuntu, is in fact, Ubuntu/Windows, or as I've recently taken to calling it, Ubuntu plus Windows. Ubuntu is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Windows system made useful by the NT kernel, system libraries and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by Microsoft.
Many computer users run a modified version of the Windows system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Windows which is widely used today is often called Ubuntu, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Windows system, developed by Microsoft.
>>53765418
Are you fucking stupid man? Have you upgraded to the latest version? They should ban people like you that talk shit without knowing shit
>>53765287
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53765541
>Have you upgraded to the latest version?
why should i? did you not read the OP, dumbfuck?
I seriously dont understand what this means.
>>53765146
it's a trap
>>53765296
Time for Ubuntu to Extend and Extinguish windows.
>>53765606
Are you slightly rused by the 4chan smiley face?<;^)
How do you run Linux on Windows I don't understand
is this like Win/Linux instead of GNU/Linux?
>>53765146
Ayyyy
GNU/NT when?
All existing copies of Ubuntu will be automatically updated to Windows 10
>>53765327
>>53765412
>being this retard
>>53765672
>>53765679
>>53765684
>explorer.exe replaces Unity
>>53765684
lol, now thats something I can believe.
>>53765672
>Win/Linux
Yes please.
>>53765146
Botnet connecting
>>53765670
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53765672
>>53765698
>suddenly we get all the windows drivers
i'd be okay with this
>>53765684
>not using Debian NT
>>53765703
Are you slightly rused by the 4chan smiley face?<;^)
>>53765381
>not falling for NSA test build honeytrap
>>53765146
>gayming
>all windows programs
>all lunix programs
>BASH BITCHES
WHERE DO I FUCKING SIGNUP CAUSE I WANT IT NAOW
>>53765418
12.04 was better.
>>53765777
12.04 ubuntu was an abomination
>>53765631
It means that Microsoft are, legitimately, becoming the good guys.
>>53765672
What I don't understand is that they call it Linux, it has been introduced in a Redstone build and where the fuck is the source code?
Are they either using BSD, creating their own UNIX compliant subsystem, or are they just neglecting the GPL?
>>53765146
>developing Windows is a shit show let just convert to linux and create proprietary blobs to continue out hold on shit
>>53765736
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53765810
>developing Windows is a shit show
It reminds me of pic related.
>>53765672
>How do you run Linux on Windows I don't understand
I think it's gnu and ubuntu running on NT without the linux kernel.
They are probably getting worried by the amount of developers using macbooks because OSX has a unix terminal.
>>53765230
Wine bottler?
>>53765838
holy fucking shit this can't be real
>>53765829
Are you slightly rused by the 4chan smiley face? <;^)
>>53765292
they are basically making a Gentoo Prefix?
>>53765315
git comes with bash blah
Not that any of the consumer tech retards here will read this, but this isn't some sort of weird Ubuntu clone on Windows. It's just going to be command line tools that are standard for software development, like make, autotools, etc., because right now using cross-platform libraries on Windows is a nightmare and most people end up using MinGW or Cygwin (which both provide the same sort of tools for Windows).
>>53765146
not even trying. Also, March has 31 days.
So they are building GNU/Windows? I think I'm going to puke.
>>53765672
hahahhaahahahah
YOU WISH
and actually also
THEY WISH
Windows' shit is soo fucked up they CAN'T make it happen even if you give them 10 fucking years
>>53766316
>doesn't know what google is
>>53765838
>>53766339
Basically this is what I meant to say.
>>53765146
NICE APRIL FOOLS JOKE RETARDS
>>53766370
it's march 30th tho
>>53766301
there is also some scripts to bootstrap Gentoo Prefix on Cygwin if I remember, but yeah as long as you don't get fucked by your path, mingw tools like make and stuff works really well
>>53766370
>>53766384
But they always post jokes a few days before april first.
>>53765146
>"What could be worse than a terrible and shoddy OS?"
>"Two terrible and shoddy OSes!"
>>53765327
#REKT
>>53766370
ahh, fuck
>>53765838
Jesus Christ.
>>53766370
Aw shucks nigguh
>>53765515
Top Stallkek
>>53765146
I'm excited by this.
Compatibility across platforms is a good thing.
FOSS reached out to Windows with the Mono project and many great pushes to link features between the platforms.
Microsoft reached back and said, "Okay, let's do this." and pumped money into Mono, Xamarin, etc.
Whatever happens, as a developer, I win.
>>53766635
As a developer you lose because win10 exists and MS is doing everything to push people into selling through their app store.
Ubuntu is shit but if this lets me use bash on windows that's pretty cool.
>>53766648
Mono and Xamarin are the best things to have ever happened to my paycheck.
>>53766651
Cygwin.
>>53766655
then what the fuck is the point of combining Ubuntu with Windows?
>>53766652
My condolences.
Linus Torvalds has won.
>>53766661
The three E letters Microsoft is so famous for.
>>53766661
What cygwin does is kind of a hack (converting normal POSIX/linux calls to WinAPI ones, where possible) and not really performant as it build ontop of the existing API to the kernel. If now MS would implement the interface to the kernel directly, cygwin and its inherent dependency on the cygwin.dll would be unnecessary and porting Linux software much easier.
>>53766673
Except you can't EEE GPL software, you kike
>>53766755
cygwin.dll IS the interface to the kernel directly
If Microsoft implements a system that gives you source-level compatibility, it will be a .dll just like cygwin - translating linux calls to windows calls.
>>53766774
You can. You open source GPL parts and do not link them to the reas of your software, using IPC instead.
>>53765838
Despite all this cluster-fuckery Windows 10 is still the best OS I have ever used.
>>53766788
You can't interface the windows kernel directly.
>>53766804
You don't actually think those logs are real, do you?
>>53766805
What exactly do you mean by interface to the kernel directly?
>>53765770
me too senpai
>>53765770
>>53766838
>>>/cygwin/
I just want windows with gnome 3 or MATE or one of those
Anything but the trash that W10 has
>>53766850
>I just want windows with gnome 3
you mean a shitty touchscreen interface
Install Windows 8
>Embrace
>Extend
>Extinguish
>>53765146
>>53765146
>http://fossbytes.com/microsoft-canonical-bring-ubuntu-linux-on-windows-10/
This has to be an early aprilsfools or something.
>>53766788
cygwin for the most part uses the win32 API not the native API.
also afaik a large part of the kernel isn't available to usermode applications
>>53766956
Enlighten me. If win32 is not the native API then what is.
Time to move to BSD
>Nothing lasts forever in the cold November rain~
>>53765146
...Why though?
>>53767025
Developers, developers, developers
>>53766964
native API = functions exported by ntdll. completely undocumented and you're not supposed to call these.
win32 = exported by pretty much anything else, ie user32.dll... usually calls ntdll instead of interfacing with the kernel directly
That remainds me of an episode of "The Office"
First: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2kgpXqbkI
And then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-Pg3PqegyA
kek
>BotNet #1 partners with BotNet #2
2016 IS THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
>>53766937
They were already integrating containers into it, and there was an announcement of an SSH server too. This is just following the trend.
>>53767063
Well, I learned something new today. Still, the functionality Linux exposes can very well be implemented using Win32 - the only thing Windows actually lacks is the fork mechanism, and I seriously doubt Native API has it.
>>53767025
POSIX
>>53767082
Is M$ going to allow ubuntu to run win applications as well then?
>Bash
Why pull bash in when powershell is vastly superior?
"Everything is a string" should have died years ago
>>53767115
>"Everything is a string" should have died years ago
It's convenient for small things.
>>53765239
FUCK OFF YOU CIA NIGGER!!!
>>53767115
Everything is an object isn't much better
>>53766280
>We will end git for windows as soon as linux windows integration complete.
>>53767094
it actually DOES through ZwCreateProcess. but it's incredibly complex to get a process created through that to actually run, and it depends strongly on the exact version of windows.
also forking that way hasn't been maintained since XP removed the POSIX subsystem
>>53766849
CRAP
What about let windows come to other platforms and make WINE irrelevant
>>53767178
Isn't that a kernel mode only call?
>>53767207
it's exported by ntdll so no
>>53767224
Ah. Now I can see it.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff565438%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
Zw functions are literally syscalls.
>>53766849
Go fuck yourself m80
>>53765838
that hurts
>>53766370
But it's the 30th and the article says the 30th
>>53766019
i think they're going to make windows binaries for a few core linux tools and call it a day
embrace!
>>53767290
not exactly!
the fact that there is a wrapper in ntdll instead of a direct, interrupt-based syscall is the exact reason why WINE allows you to replace most of it's dlls with original ones.
If this is a joke I'm going to be mad
>>53765770
this guy has the right attitude
>>53767115
>when powershell is vastly superior
>>53767355
But that's pretty much what every OS is doing to let you use those calls from C code.
>>53765159
You literally have no idea what that word means...please euthanize yourself at the next convenient moment
So is this a way of providing a GNU/Linux environment on Windows 10 like Cygwin, or is this a dual boot thing?
>>53765287
(I'm hoping) K/X/ubuntu probably won't be affected by this, just like they weren't affected by the Amazon AIDS
at worse this'll just mean jumping ship to Debian
or it could mean that Windows 10 might actually become a usable OS, but lets not go crazy here
>>53765541
LITERALLY EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD TALKS SHIT WITHOUT KNOWING SHIT!
>>53767362
because people want to feel like they know how to code by using strings.
Top kek, it didn't take much for Canonical to sell out did it?
>open cmd.exe
>type sudo apt-get install osx-elcapitan.app
>it works
>>53767479
>installs windows 10
![CEjxyYkUUAEMInx[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0cN6kb7.jpg "CEjxyYkUUAEMInx[1].jpg")
>>53765146
>tfw you can do luksFormat C:\ now
>tfw the key will be backed up to your OneDrive storage
Fuck you, MS. Literally E E E tactics.
>>53767496
>gets a house raid for saying smoke weed everyday 420 on 4chan
>>53765146
EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH
EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH
EMBRACE EXTEND EXTINGUISH
>>53767394
>LITERALLY EVERYBODY ON THIS BOARD TALKS SHIT WITHOUT KNOWING SHIT!
Welcome to /g/
Enjoy your stay
Are we going to start calling Windows GNU/Windows now?
>>53767394
>wat is life
Welcome senpai
>>53767746
>wat is life
BABBY DON'T HURT ME
>Window Sysadmin
>mfw
Looks like I can kiss Cygwin and Powershell goodbye.
>>53765146
Jesus christ you autists need to give up the dream and just make a hackintosh, The superior unix environment.
>Ubuntu Linux Is Coming To Windows 10
>>53765146
>bringing linux subsystems back
decent
was hoping it wasnt removed for good
>>53765838
Jesus fucking Christ.
>Microsoft
>NOT
>EVEN
>ONCE
>>53767830
>You need to give up the dream and become homosexuals
>>53767830
>superior Unix environment
>uses fat binaries
>non-customizable
>shit package managers
>resource forks
>application bundles
>shit keyboard navigation
>no effective way to focus follows mouse
>no effective tiler, all the available ones are shit
>no easy way to hide window decorations
>shitty memory management that at one point prioritized fucking cache over avoiding swapping
Is this bad or good for linux?
generally speaking
>>53765672
More like GNU/Windows
>>53768153
Bad. Microsoft is doing this to destroy it in some way, they have never been nice, not even fucking once. They want Linux and open source as a concept dead, as evident by their Halloween documents and they're clearly using their "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" methodology on Ubuntu right now by embracing it, extending their Cygwin clone and extinguishing Linux as a viable option since "Windows already has all that".
Never trust them, they are all about what they can destroy next to make their marketshare even bigger and force businesses and private individuals over to their broken mess. There's absolutely no form of "love" involved, only business.
DX 12 AND GAEMS ON LINUX AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>53768228
other way around
>>53767589
which series is that?
>>53765838
Fake and gay
How exactly does MS destroy free software that isn't a company like them?
I can only see some more MS proprietary crap being ported to linux and even then there are free distros for that.
SO... this is MS brand minGW?
>>53765146
>http://fossbytes.com/microsoft-canonical-bring-ubuntu-linux-on-windows-10/
what does this mean for people with normal *buntu systems?
>>53768262
bumping for interest
>>53768362
Absolutly nothing. People freak out when they hear Microsoft and Linux in the same sentence.
>>53768375
I think is the anime from that manga from Gunma
>>53768390
I see
>Desktop.
Fuck off.
and yet Windows still fucks up Grub
>Microsoft trying to implement an official version of cygwin using Ubuntu code
>people just shouting embrace extend extinguish because they heard it on /g/ and think it makes them sound cool
This board is one of the dumbest boards on 4chan sometimes.
>>53768520
its a fucking cancer,a plague, designed specifically to eradicate anything that is not from microsoft
>>53768543
And why should a company waste man hours trying to support or fix something that isn't theirs.
You should install Windows first and then linux/GNUfor a dualboot scenario.
>>53768560
kill yourself if not trolling
why Microsoft should care about an OS is not even installed at 4% of the PCs out there
>>53768572
It's simple logic. Why in reality should a company that makes software with their brand on it try to fix/support something outside of their realm?
>>53768580
MS is free to do what they like with free software.
>>53768214
meh, after all the time they spent dominating the industry and having all this power they might just be focusing on enriching user experience and experimenting with untried things, I might be just optimistic tho
YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP
IT IS HERE
MICROSOFT DID IT
>>53768580
>4%
You are giving Linux too much relevance.
If I can finally compile Cyanogenmod on Windows 10 I'm totally Ok with this
>>53768214
ofc its always business with company like microsoft, but they couldnt do shit do "extinguish" linux, are u fucking tinfoil?
>>53767371
>Windows
NSAKEY
>Ubuntu
Amazon spyware
I think he has some idea what he's talking about.
>>53765146
building botnet into linux i wonder what stallman has to say about this
Another reason not to switch to Windows 10
>>53768685
>stallman
I think he is having an aneurysm, at this point.
>>53768214
>Microsoft is doing this to destroy it in some way
How can they destroy free/open source code? The only way I can think of is by taking it and making it work better and providing better services - making it so much better people would sacrifice freedom (freedom as set out by Stallman, not actual freedom of choice I the real world) and money to use.
That isn't bad, it's competition.
>>53768188
>GNU/Windows
>First thing they do is execute RMS
>>53765672
>>53768188
More like Winux
>>53765838
>waah, waah, developing for a big coorp with lots of customers and an old codebase is messy
>>53765684
I was here
No sticky??
Also stream link?
>>53768744
he's a special guy for you m8
>>53768897
Shut the fuck up.
>>53768952
https://channel9.msdn.com/?wt.mc_id=build_hp
Wow, another EEE campaign.
Thank you Canonical for being total shit as always.
>>53765698
this
fuck GNU
fucking RMS with his shitty hair & beard and fuckin my mom
>>53765146
Happy April fool's day !!
>>53766222
>using the smiley with a carat nose
>>53765515
Ladies and gentoomen, we have ourselves some fresh pasta
>not even an official statement, just speculation
>OMG MS IS THA BEST 300 REPLIES
>>53765146
this is stupid and goes against everything linux stands for.
>>53765809
M$ has disregarded licensing in the past. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just saying fuck the GPL.
>>53765230
Ganoo plus Loonix
>>53765146
lol. Linux cucks never learn.
Microsoft is going to use them for all they're worth, then kick them out and rape what's left like they always do.
Microsoft doesn't partner with anybody. They just steal and sabotage legally.
Don't hype this shit up before we see any real results.
This is actually pretty neat I've always wanted to have bash and unix tools on Winblows without Cygwin or a virtual machine.
>>53769296
But it's open source Microsoft can easily just take all the code and fork out their own project.
>>53765292
could UI be launched from Bash?
>>53769563
and this project will be OS as well. because license demands it.
>>53765146
please let it kill mingw, msys and cygwin
>>53769134
Are you slightly rused by the 4chan smiley face?<;^)
>>53765146
They couldn't kill Linux with FUD and the usual bullshit, so now they've conceded defeat to its existence. The only thing they can do now with the whole other OS is what they've always done:
>EMBRACE
>EXTEND
>EXTINGUISH
Never change, Microshit. Never change.
Ubuntu always were traitors sellouts with dishonest SJW motivations as a form of openwashing. Ubuntu is linux for niggers.
>>53769792
Theo de Raadt was right, linux users hate Microsoft more than they like linux. Stay true to your colors lincucks.
>>53765146
its just bash though. not a full linux desktop.
>>53768240
linux on DX12 and games?
>>53765606
>not using the smiley with a carat nose
',:^)
>>53769864
yes
>>53765146
Welp, it's over
Fuck this gay earth
>>53769543
just run colinux
>>53765292
Why not just incorporate cygwin?
This seems asinine, can someone explain why they're incorporating all of Ubuntu?
>>53765838
i do software for intel and it's pretty much a clusterfuck too. i imagine it's like that for every large tech company. at least our software is mostly internal, though...
>>53766440
underrated toast
>>53770970
>When the Linux sound stack is so complex Valve literally can't fix a multitude of audio bugs in their games
>>53771026
Are you implying that Valve is competent?
>>53771026
>valve developers
>literally rm -rf /*
>>53771026
The OSS sound subsystem was great until they went and behaved like assholes. OSS v4 is awesome.
>>53771026
>Valve
>competent
>>53765515
The inverse of this would be funnier. It should go in all Windows threads.
>>53765838
tl;dr?
>>53771026
>Valve
>solving shit
Kek.
>>53767346
n o p e
http://planet.ubuntu.com/
>>53771088
>>53771375
>Vulkan release
VALVE WILL MAKE IT DOMINANT API
>Valve can't figure out the clusterfuck of Linux sound system
Valve was never good anyway
I wonder if this has anything to do with android apps running on Win 10.
The next logical step is everyone running ChromeOS apps in Chrome on Windows on Linux
>>53769070
You realize it's more GNU/Windows though?
Nothing Linux is getting ported, the linux kernel isn't what running, it's the GNU utils that are now running because windows is translating the syscalls it expects to windows ones.
It is bash plus some core utils ported to windows syscall
>>53765381
who is this actor?
>>53771244
windows is shit
>>53772135
Sean Connery
>>53765650
Wishful thinking.
>>53765356
>>53765356
>>53772292
lmao what a blatant samefag
>>53772322
>>53772159
no seriously
>>53765146
Be careful what you wish for they said.
>>53765809
>or are they just neglecting the GPL
GPL is toothless. I've stolen GPL protected code and used it in my proprietary applications many times. What, you think I'm afraid of Richard fucking Stallman?
>>53772378
Ok sorry that's Nicholas Goroff
>>53772536
Your code is worthless, while Microsoft's code better conforms to GPL. Microsoft is the main "enemy" of the Free Software Foundation, I'm sure they'd be willing to go to court with this.
>>53772536
>I've stolen GPL protected code and used it in my proprietary applications many times.
That's because your proprietary applications have little to no value in the real world.
It would be like suing some chinese fuck who hand-solders shitty USB cables in his toolshed for not using RoHS compliant lead-free solder. With such little impact, noone will bother.
GPL is not toothless. FSF maintains an army of lawyers.
Hell, they've won a case against Cisco, which is basically US govt extended into a commercial corp.
>>53765809
They are doing reverse Wine, building a Linux "emulator". Linux system calls can be implemented by different closed code.
>>53765606
It's the Jew emoticon, right? Can someone explain that emoticon to me?
>>53772672
MS has a definite upper hand in this.
They can use all the linux libraries they want because they're foss as long as they comply with the licenses.
Wine doesn't have such freedom since all windows libraries are closed
>>53772696
it doesn't even matter if it's FOSS or not. Canonical is working with them to do it. It's like if MS worked with WINE devs to make it work. They're bringing in Ubuntu libs specifically.
>>53772696
Linux libraries are already available and can be readily used on the emulator, Ubuntu is providing them as FOSS. They just need to reimplement kernel calls.
>>53772636
>>53772650
One of my apps has over 500k downloads on the Play Store, and has earned me a nice comfortable living. It's littered with GPL code. I love FOSS software, makes my job soooo much easier. :^)
>>53772774
>500k
That's like nothing man.
>Cuckonical
l m a o
>>53768538
You're partially right. Maybe microsoft's telemetry showed that a big chunk of developers abandoned windows because of telemetry, so it's "making it convenient" to use ubuntu without removing the underlying botnet.
>>53772774
The Chinese fuck who hand-solders shitty USB cables in his toolshed also sells a lot of those shitty USB cables mang.
>>53765230
There is. Lookup GPU passthrough. You can run your hardware directly into a Windows virtual machine with only like a .4% hit to performance.
>>53772804
It's enough to feed myself, my wife, AND her kids. Stay jelly :^)
No point on this if I can't just go like "let's replace this piece of shit windows desktop environment with something like XFCE or MATE" and "let's just fix the font rendering with infinality". And "sudo apt-get install foobar2000"
>>53772885
If you live fucking haiti or some other nigger shithole I guess even RMS himself would allow you to make use of gpl snippets so you won't starve.
He's not a heartless bastards
>>53765838
pretty sure this is fake
