>Macbooks are overpriced
>Ok, show me a similarly priced laptop with the same specs or better. Reminder that $1k rMBPs have a 2560x1600 retina display, 8GB RAM, NVMe SSDs and the best build quality and support in the business
>...
Can we finally put an end to this meme?
>best build quality
>literally held together by glue
>>53712128
> Says macbooks aren't overpriced at a grand
> Post pic of MacBook Pro starting at $1300
But my complaint with macs is the same complaint I have with most laptops. No dock connector.
>linux = server
>os x = desktop
>windows = gaming console
New XPS and Precision are really nice desu.
>>53712193
S2012R2 wants to talk to you
>>53712193
let me fix that
>linux = server/desktop if you have too much time and want to feel like neo
>os x = obsolete
>windows = desktop
>>53712244
>>windows = desktop
I think I'm going to vomit
>>53712166
>implying that's inherently bad
>the best build quality
Not fucking even.
>and support in the business
Do they offer on-site support like Dell does as part of the cost of the laptop meaning they don't charge me more on top of the retail price? Will they replace my laptop no questions asked just by calling them and telling them it was run over accidentally by a tractor trailer?
If not, then no, they don't offer the best support in the business, they don't even fucking rate in that respect at all and they charge more for their support which requires me to take the hardware to them or ship it and not everybody lives near an Apple Store.
Sorry, but you're wrong on both counts, son.
>>53712193
>linux = for the unemployed
>os x = consumerist students
>windows = business
>>53712279
No one gives a fuck about your speculation, junior.
>>53712252
>who would want to maintenance their system when you can just buy a new one :3
you can't make this stuff up folks
>>53712252
>laptop heats up because its a mac
>take hot laptop outside to starbucks because your a hipster faggot
>???
>glue bond weakens
>battery explodes
>??
Yeah great
>>53712294
>Willingly voiding your warranty to repair your expensive laptop yourself instead of having it done for free by the makers
?
No nipple mouse no buy.
>>53712294
>moving the goalposts
Build quality is not the same as maintenance/extensibility.
>>53712294
If you're not taking advantage of Macs' high resale value it's your own fault.
>>53712244
How could you fuck up at the end ?
>linux = server/desktop if you have too much time and want to feel like neo
>os x = obsolete
>windows = gaming
win/linux dual-boot master race.
>>53712166
Yes, it's so bad to use glue inside the aluminum casing, not like all HP laptops have shit held together inside them with fucking tape when you open them.
>>53712128
>Chinkbooks
>quality
Well memed, my (you)
>>53712166
show me another laptop that looks this good and has this little creaky plastic
>>53712324
How does it feel like to be a savage barbarian who has to reboot their machine whenever they want to do anything. Dual booting between windows and linux is literally the stupidest solution
>>53712166
What else did you want them to use for a unibody?
The dense internals means they can't screw to the chassis. It's the price of the form factor I guess. And not even a bad price.
>>53712352
I'm waiting for your superior solution then.
>>53712128
I wanted a laptop with a 1.5 TB hard drive to store a backup of all my stuff, and guess what, Macs can't have that. Why? I guess Mac is not even a PC.
>>53712318
>babby's first wiki/List_of_fallacies
build quality was shown to be shit
shit build quality was shown to impact maintenance/extensibility
macbook loses on both fronts
>>53712387
>cater for my edge case!!!
>>53712128
Yes Macs are expensive
But they also have good hardware and are solidly built computers
>>53712166
It's held together by glue because batteries heat up and expand you fucking autist.
>>53712384
QEMU/IOMMU
>>53712387
2012 MBP, SSD and 1.5TB HDD. Enjoy
>>53712529
>hard drive heats up
>better glue it to the case
>>53712352
>>53712324
>dual booting
Keep up with the times grandpa, enable IOMMU (Intel VT-d or AMD-Vi) and use a VM with IOMMU support (like Qemu) for PCIe pass-through.
>>53712583
Not him but do I need 2 GPUs for this?
>>53712573
It heats up and expands, so holding it in place mechanically would make the casing expand.
At least Macs have a solid aluminium casing and not cheap Chinese plastic that brittles when it gets old.
>>53712589
Don't you have an iGPU you're not using?
>>53712589
What computers these days don't have an iGPU?
>>53712193
In my opinion you are quite right. I dual boot osx and windows 10 at the moment. Replaced w10 shell with big picture on steam because frankly that's what I'm going to be using Windows 10 for.
Meanwhile on OSX (or you could argue linux as well) I enjoy better font rendering, it's faster and the interface is not whiter than bernie sanders and flatter than a piece of paper.
>>53712324
Vm is all that matter now. Even with a shitty celeron 847.
>>53712589
You also need to dedicate a monitor or monitor input to the VM, which makes the whole exercise a lot more tedious.
>>53712529
>But they also have good hardware and are solidly built computers
I'm an IT guy for a defense contractor.
We've got boxes full of old Dells& HP's that work fine.
They become "business unfashionable" long before they fail.
AFAIK all modern laptops "have good hardware and are solidly built computers".
>>53712565
I heard latest mbp's do not allow replacing the disk drive without damaging the aluminium case. Is that true? In any case, I'm fine with my 450$ laptop, it can even run games without overheating.
>>53712656
Yeah mate my old laptop can run flash games too without overheating
A miracle of computing
>>53712656
>Is that true?
No, you should not believe everything /g/ says.
>>53712641
You don't have an extra cable and switch input on the monitor?
>>53712660
Ha ha you are so funny. I obviously meant resource intensive PC games like Skyrim and Left 4 Dead 2.
>>53712128
librem 13 and 15 and outperform newest gen macbooks on all specs
>>53712252
>implying that it isn't
>>53712166
>>53712853
Parts of the ISS is held together by glue only too. If it's good enough for NASA and ESA, why isn't it good enough for you?
>>53712662
I just find the process of swapping input source on the monitor an annoying extra step. If the monitor's input source could be controlled via software (as opposed to navigating through the monitor's OSD menu every time), it'd be better.
>>53712889
>I just find the process of swapping input source on the monitor an annoying extra step
More than rebooting?
>If the monitor's input source could be controlled via software (as opposed to navigating through the monitor's OSD menu every time), it'd be better.
You know it can, right? You can control it by configuring it to always switch to the input it gets a new signal on. So when Qemu starts, it detects signal on the cable that goes to the GPU.
>>53712903
>>53712889
Also, software controlled KVMs exist
>>53712557
>QEMU/IOMMU
Yeah linux with shit perf coupled with games with shit perf.
awesome
>>53712244
>linux = server or software developmnet
>osx = facebook machine, editing, software development
>windows = gaming
>>53712889
>navigating through the monitor's OSD menu every time
I have two inputs and a single button that switches between them.
>>53712352
Yes, I'll never get thosr 5 seconds it takes me to restart back. And all I get in return is the best gaming OS and the best work OS.
>>53712886
Yeah but the ISS uses Thinkpads, not Macbooks :^)
>>53712415
>having files
>edgecase
Macfags are hilarious.
>>53712951
Sure thing, buddy
>server - Linux
>desktop - Linux
>gayming - kill you're self
>>53712973
>macs used in comfy conference room on Earth
>thinkpads used to explore the fucking cosmos inside space shuttles
>>53712207
Is this the only real suggestion in the thread?
>>53712829
$2000 for 4GB of RAM
how does that compete with anything at all?
>>53713000
The reason why there are Thinkpads onboard is that the thing was built in 1998 and astronauts don't exactly bring their private laptops onboard the shuttles.
>>53713001
>"free as in freedom" laptop
>ain't fucking free
>costs more than a regular laptop
>comes with less hardware spec
>practically 2 generations behind
>fuck you and your so called freedom, freetards
>>53713001
>$2k with 4GB RAM, 500GB HD FUCKING D
>>53713027
The fact that the ISS went with thinkpads and not something else hints that they have great build quality.
>>53712128
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>>53712207
Pretty much, I guess. How are they price-wise compared to macbooks?
>>53713071
You're forgetting that when ISS went with thinkpads, they were still being made by IBM.
>>53713041
>5400 RPM
>>53713027
Actually it's much simpler, read the Mac OS X EULA sometime: it specifically says that OS X cannot be used in life-threatening situations like the ISS or the Space Shuttles or most anything else related to NASA or the space program.
Literally, pic relevant - the OS X 10.11 EULA.
Funny since it means they could use MacBooks in the program for such purposes as long as they run Windows or Linux, go figure.
>Apple
>always claims OSX is the best and most advanced operating system in the world
>doesn't trust it enough - LITERALLY - to put any kind of guarantee behind it for mission-critical use
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all
>>53713101
>>doesn't trust it enough - LITERALLY - to put any kind of guarantee behind it for mission-critical use
Implying that Linux has any such guarantee.
>>53713122
No, but Wall Street and major financial services consider it worth trusting the world's finances with, so do many major medical facilities.
But Windows still runs the world, like it or not.
>>53713088
T61p was not.
>>53713136
>so do many major medical facilities
These use specially built hardware, not Linux.
Same with ISS. There is a reason why VxWorks thrive in these industries.
>>53713136
They write their own versions. It's not like they're downloading Ubuntu.
>But Windows still runs the world
Wat?
>>53713157
>implying Ubuntu = Linux for anyone and everyone in any and all situations
>stupid fucking people will be the death of us all
>>53713169
I'm saying that Wall Street aren't "trusting" Linux. They're downloading it and modifying it enough so that they can trust it. It's not "trustable" out of the box, same with OSX.
>>53713136
>major financial services
Then explain all the old mainframes all around still running COBOL programs.
>Skylake i7-6500U
>8GB RAM, 256GB SSD
>GeForce 940M VGA
>FHD matte IPS
>all for $990
/thread
>>53712128
>Best support in the business
My ass. More like most incompetent support in the business.
>Be me
>Have Mid-2010 MacBook Pro (6,2)
>Video is shit, certain hardware-accelerated actions cause kernel panics
>Call support, tell them exactly what happens, in great detail
>They send a box, comes next day
>Put MacBook Pro in box, along with anything else they requested, ship it off
>They call, ask for steps to reproduce the issue, I give them exact, concise steps and explain exactly what should happen.
>2 days later, get laptop back
>They replaced the RAM, exact same issue as before, even after I explained the onboard GPU was the problem and knew it would need a new motherboard.
>Be about 3 days later, finally able to make it to the nearest Apple store about an hour away
>No time to make an appointment since I didn't know when I'd be able to get there next and there weren't any available once I had a window
>Wait at the store for a fucking hour
>Explain to "genius" that I've already sent it for support and they're retarded and replaced the RAM
>Demonstrate in-store exactly what happens
>They send it off with explicit instructions to replace the logic board
>3 Days later, get laptop back, all seems ok
>Later that night, RAM errors, system blanks out, beeping at me 3 times
>Call Apple store, bring it back in, demonstrate error
>Have to leave the shit with them again, another 3 days or so pass. They can't figure out what the problem is
>Replace with new Late 2013 MacBook Pro w/Retina Display.
Sure the end result was agreeable, but the process in getting there was a demonstration in extreme incompetence, and took far longer than any support case should have. Initial support clearly never followed my given steps to reproduce the issue, and then never tested the system before returning it.The genius bar was helpful, but only insofar as me spoon-feeding them exactly the information to give support, and again, the system clearly was not tested before it was returned.
>>53713194
Why did they make the keyboard and trackpad identical to a Mac?
>>53713199
>Gets a major free upgrade
>Complains
Wtf?
>>53713194
>Windows 10
Damn, that looked like a decent machine until that happened.
>>53713178
Modifying it probably means taking out features and adding an iptables and SElinux replacement of their own, in terms if trustworthiness Linux reigns supreme because you can base your trust on code auditing instead of pinky promises.
The reason they customize it is probably that it takes less time to develop a basic iptables than to audit the code for it.
>>53713204
Same reason the latest iPhones copy Android's large screen and multi-tasking?
>>53712903
>More than rebooting?
Didn't say that.
>You know it can, right? You can control it by configuring it to always switch to the input it gets a new signal on. So when Qemu starts, it detects signal on the cable that goes to the GPU.
Depends on the brand and firmware, I guess. My monitor, a U2713HM, doesn't appear to have this functionality, from a cursory run through the OSD menu.
>>53712918
>Also, software controlled KVMs exist
How is requiring even more hardware not more tedious? Not to mention with the prices you'd be paying for a decent KVM you might as well just dedicate a seperate monitor to the task anyway.
That being said though, I acknowledge that solutions for that already exist, it just isn't "convenient" enough I guess. But who am I kidding, I don't have a VT-d capable machine anyway so it's not like I'm speaking with any form of authority or experience on the matter.
>>53713204
Can't be identical as Apple has patented theirs
>>53712128
So lets see the best macbook (15 inch) with retina display and a GPU starts at $2499 fully equiped with maxed ram and ssd it goes up to $3.199 tax and acessories not included.
Lets see how this compares to the highest end thinkpad from the worstation series meaning the p70 (17 inch) starting at $1862.10.
If we choose the fully equiped version which includes a Xeon Processor ,32 gb's of ECC ram with optional upgrade to 64 GB 512 PCI SSD with a 4k display and a nvidia Quadro M5000M with 5 gbs of Vram it only costs $4,134.60
But your getting full package here much more then what you are getting from the outdated macbook pro you can also arguew that the 17 inch Thinkpad p70 is too big right?
We got you covered so where checking out the p50 which starts off at $1,322.10 which fully rquiped with the same exact settings Only costs $2,352.60 .
So if your still asking which PC can have the same performance price ratio as the macbook Meet the Bloody Latest generation of Professional Workstations from Lenovo motherfucker.
>>53713226
>copy multi-tasking
>copy large screen
Are you retarded? That's like saying that you copied me because you too have an entrance door to your apartment.
I mean the button layout, the size, the shape, the colour, the backlight, etc. It's identical.
>>53713194
Gotta know how the good trackpad drivers are. The Asus laptops I've touched recently, and the one I'm using right now, have fucking GARBAGE trackpad drivers by default. I had to install a replacement driver.
>>53713204
those shitty trackpads are standard for some reason. At least Apple ditched the click-in, which is completely horrid, and went entirely with pressure sensitivity. Still not as good as physical buttons IMO but a head and shoulders above clicking in the pad.
>>53713194
Asus likes to develop these light-gaming laptops which are really popular, but if they could make something smaller with an integrated GPU and 13.3", even with FHD or hopefully more, it would be purchaseable at 1k.
>>53713204
>apple invented black keys
>>53713227
>U2713HM
Funny, I have the same monitor and I'm able to do it.
Get a firmware upgrade.
>>53713236
What the fuck is this nonsense
>>53712128
Microsoft Surface Book beats the macbook on specs, supports touch, and looks even better.
http://www.maximumpc.com/comparing-specs-surface-book-vs-macbook-pro-vs-dell-xps-13/
> meme officially ends, Windows wins.
>>5371324
>I mean the button layout
Ansi?
>the size
Again, Ansi?
>the shape
APPLE INVENTED SQUARES, GUISE
>the colour,
APPLE INVENTED BLACK, GUISE
>the backlight
APPLE INVENTED LED, GUISE
>>53713260
Thinkpads Shillling Motherfucker.
>>53713236
Plastic Chink-pad piece of shit
>>53713276
The more expensive hardware has better features? Who'd a thunk it
>>53713260
Don't worry anon, I'm a profession spaghetti to english translator.
A Thinkpad with the same specs as the MBP costs half as much.
A Thinkpad with the same price as the MBP has killer specs.
>>53713216
>Sure the end result was agreeable, but the process in getting there was a demonstration in extreme incompetence, and took far longer than any support case should have. Initial support clearly never followed my given steps to reproduce the issue, and then never tested the system before returning it.The genius bar was helpful, but only insofar as me spoon-feeding them exactly the information to give support, and again, the system clearly was not tested before it was returned.
Overall it was 2 weeks from the first time I sent it in until I had a working machine back in my hands.
Good thing I do my work on a Windows machine that isn't a gigantic steaming pile of shit, huh? I would've been royally fucked. God damn right I'm complaining. $300+ dollars for their "Apple Doesn't Care" plan is ridiculous when they can't fix a simple issue.
>>53713283
There's a difference between similar and outright copying it.
>>53712166
Huuuh so what? I mean, it's still easily user replaceable
>>53712128
>>53713329
So the Torx screws aren't a deterrent these days?
>>53713317
Nigga all the shit you mentioned was the most generic features of all. "Black squares with backlight" is any fucking keyboard, you can say that they're copying Apple as much as they're copying Acer, Lenovo, etc. The things unique about the macbook keyboard are for example the arrow keys, which are completely different on that Asus.
>>53713354
>Nigga all the shit you mentioned was the most generic features of all.
It's not generic at all, and the keys aren't even square they're rounded you fucking dolt.
>>53712829
lmfao thousands for a "free" computer and the bios is still non free wtf are u paying for
dell xps 15 has comparable specs to the mbpro
srsly who pays for an overpriced macbook on which you only can browse facebook
>>53713369
So are hundreds of other keys. 2 of the 3 laptops I've owned had black square keys with rounded corners and backlight, it's not specific of Apple and it's completely generic.
>inb4 no, apple invented rounded corners
>>53713220
What's wrong with Windows 10?
>>53713389
What can you do on that Dell that you can't on the Macbook?
>>53713407
Literally everything
>>53713404
You have to be a 3rd level shill if you're refusing to admit that Asus copied MBP's looks with a grey casing, 15" screen, and exact same key configuration and key design in order for Asus users to feel special in cafés too.
>inb4 hurr durr ansi standard
Nope. It doesn't follow the size requirements.
>>53713283
NIGGA
quit being a jackass
holy fuck
Apple has been using that exact style since 2008
>the shape
>the colour,
>the backlight
put all of them together and .... TADA it's a fucking macbook keyboard. This combination of elements wasn't common until after Apple popularized it. No fucking shit keyboards were square and had backlights before the macbook, but they didn't all look so extremely similar to the macbook.
>>53713389
srsly who takes the lel facebook machine meme seriously
>>53713445
>grey casing
No, they didn't copy that, laptops have been grey forever. I have a grey compaq. A compaq, anon.
>15" screen
You are one pathetic person, so now Apple invented the most widely-uses screen size standard? Fuck's sake, even 13" is more unique and there are thousands of 13" laptops.
>exact same key configuration
Except it's not, I gave you a very clear case where the Apple keys are unique and Asus did something very different: the arrow keys. But you ignored that.
>>53713487
>No, they didn't copy that, laptops have been grey forever. I have a grey compaq. A compaq, anon.
Aluminium gray != beige gray
But it's clear that you're shilling hard. See >>53713461
>>53713461
here is what keyboards mostly looked like pre macbook cloning. Sharp corners, tapered keys, no actual gap between the plastic key caps.
>>53713487
>Asus did something very different: the arrow keys
>very different
THEY'RE FUCKING SIMILAR HOLY FUCK
It is literally a MB clone.
>>53712128
>$1k
okay ;___;
>>53713461
If they had black screen bezels as well I could agree that the overall style was really similar, like at first glance they could be mistaken, but they use the same grey color for the bezel as the body. It's unmistakeably different.
>>53713303
The Book is a better deal, no denying it.
13-inch MacBook Pro
Retina display: 2560x1600, 227 ppi density
4.5 lbs
2.7GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
8GB SDRAM
128GB Flash Storage
Backlit Keyboard
$1,299.00
13.5 inch Surface Book
PixelSense display: 3000x2000, 267 ppi
3.34 lbs
2.7GHz Dual-core Intel Core i5
8GB SDRAM
128GB Flash Storage
10-point Touch display
Backlit Keyboard
Detachable tablet, fold up display
$1,399.00
>>53713511
See >>53713500
That's what Asus laptops used to look like.
>>53713499
>if you don't agree with me, you're shilling
Pathetic. I'm not against macs or anything, I'd buy one if the keyboard wasn't atrocious. My whole point is that asus didn't copy them. See the response I gave your buddy if you want.
>>53713508
You have absolutely no clue what the word "literally" means.
>>53713513
Shame about the whole Windows thing
>>53713428
are you serious?
have you ever worked in a company that doesnt do design?
gaming asides, osx is shit
>>53713533
What's the point in continuing when you've been called out on your bullshit?
Is this what autism is like?
>>53713529
>every laptop was like this one
>ignores my paragraph about how the fact that the bezel color is the same as the body means no one will ever confuse it for a mac
Why do macfags suck at arguing?
>>53713540
Ok so can you answer the question?
>>53713542
>called out
>every single point brought up has been countered
>le epic autism maymay xD
You get sad when you lose arguments, anon.
>>53713540
OSX ist POSIX compliant, its way more useful than the proprietary shit that is windows.
>>53713551
I'm not even a macfag...
>>53713567
>countered
Your argument is based solely on repeating "nope"
>>53712128
>the best build quality and support in the business
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/cracking-open/zenbook-teardown-blatant-copy-of-macbook-air/
>hurr durr it's not a clone you guise
>>53713585
Apple has the best consumer support, Dell has the best business support.
Its a fact. Everyone but mac hating gaymer manchildren knows it.
>>>53713567 (You)
>>countered
>Your argument is based solely on repeating "nope"
Right, let's ignore the part where I showed how the arrow keys have about double the size on the Asus and the bezel color was entirely different. Let's both pretend I've just said nope. Only dreams now.
>>53713600
See >>53713592
Also
>entirely different
>looks almost the same
>>53713513
I used one - build quality is not great. Tablet mode is not good. Issues when disconnecting and reconnecting the tablet.
Would not buy
>>53713609
But anon, that laptop wasn't a zenbook...
>>53713597
>Dell
>good business support
As someone who works in an IT dept with Dell computers, I have to say this is just a meme.
I'm pushing hard for ditching Dell for HP instead.
>>53713628
>HP instead
Rip in piece
>>53713609
I said the bezel color was entirely different and it is: apple uses black, asus used light grey. L2read.
>>53713616
> macfag detected
I own one, It has non of these issues.
>>53713628
Its not.
I deal with them quite a lot, they are always fast and reliable.
It's >2lbs, that's my only concern with Macbooks. I want the Samsung Notebook 9 13.3" 1080p with an i5 skylake weighing in at only 1.85lbs.
>>53713551
>>>every laptop was like this one
they literally were though. I'm talking specifically about the keyboard because every brand copied off Apple. Google any brand of laptop and a year like "dell laptop 2008" or "lenovo laptop 2008". They ALL have this keyboard. It was the style. Now do the same for 2012. They ALL have Macbook style keyboards.
>Why do macfags suck at arguing?
I'm currently posting this from an Asus ROG G750JW
>>53713648
Surface book would be great if you could run the OS you want on it, not the one Microsoft wants you to run.
>>53713663
That wasn't a good change. My T410 is a dream to type on compared to any macbook-like keyboard.
>>53712193
Kind agree with it.
>>53713688
This. When there's decent Linux driver support, I'm buying one. The problem is the firmware, you're depending on Microsoft itself.
>>53712128
>the best build quality
http://www.staingate.org/
>>53713719
>*gate
You cant take that shit seriously.
What is /g/'s opinion on the Razer Blade Stealth ?
>>53713777
Most reviews say its actually quite good quality wise, but razer has such a bad reputation in that regard that i wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole.
>>53713790
What do you mean? Why do they have a bad reputation?
>>53713663
CHICLET is the name of. Damn why I couldn't remember that earlier.
>>53713690
I haven't really noticed a difference. How does your keyboard feel vs a a chiclet keyboard?
>>53713777
>>53713805
I've also heard good things about it, however to be honest senpai I wouldn't be caught dead using a Razer Blade Stealth.
I'm purchasing an XPS tomorrow. Nice trips
>>53713805
Their input devices had severe quality issues in the past and were known for breaking after 1, 2 years max.
Don't know anything about their newest products though, I've grown out of the gaming thing quite a while ago.
>>53712686
> I obviously meant resource intensive PC games like Skyrim and Left 4 Dead 2.
>>53712128
i work in a repair shop and 90% of the laptops we get in are macs, the build quality is kusoge
>>53713828
>how does it compare
More travel, more pronounced tactile bump, about the same noise, but less annoying.
>>53712930
Only true one in the thread.
>>53713848
To be fair those games would still cause a 11.6" Macbook to overheat. They are really, really shit.
>>53713236
>using a thinkpad made pose superfish
#nopeforpresident2016
>>53712128
The problem is the OS.
>>53713975
>NSA stealin all mah anime titty pr0n
Get over yourself faggot, your taste in 2d girls is not a national security issue.
>>53713034
Free as in freedom, not as in beer.
>>53713220
Just install GNU/Linux.
>>53714024
The one that you've never used yet for some reason hate?
>>53712128
Where I live you have to pay like 2500€ to get such specs. Your talking shit.
>best build quality
>best support
not in my experience.
That said, my macbook's a nice laptop. Was a bit overpriced, but hey, I wanted to give OSX a try.
>>53712128
>Get the same spec on a ThinkPad x1 Carbon
>Same price
>>53713194
Can someone confirm whether this is indeed a good alternative?
>>53714643
>can't run OS X
Sounds like the MacBook is the winner
I just was in the laptop market and first looked at MacBook Pro due to its good reputation.
What 6 found was hardware that my 4 year old midrange computer outclassed.
Ended up buying an Alienware which had specs no MacBook could match. The only things the MacBook excelled on were things I didn't care about like support and battery life. It won in aesthetics as well but I am a living meme and don't take myself into public except for going to work.
Upgraded to 32 GB RAM and added a Samsung 950 Pro to this laptop, no MacBook could compete
>>53712128
>made in china
Sorry, I only buy hardware made in Japan/Europe/US.
>>53715323
Just realized that didnt show anything useful
i7 6700HQ
32 GB DDR4 2400 (came with 8 @2100)
512 GB Samsung 950 Pro, some shit tier Samsung 128 GB ssd, and some 1 TB mechanical
GTX 970m
4k screen
>>53715323
>32GB Of ram
hahaohwow.jpg
>>53716193
I was running out a lot with 8 GB
>>53714849
I dont own it but ive used similar asus laptops at best buy and ncix.
Asus has been basically copying macbooks for a while, but its still the typical knock off chink shit.
>You get a premium feeling laptop with obvious compromises, the entire thing isnt unibody, the laptop screen bends easily, Keyboard bends, has plastic on it, just doesnt feel as nice as a mac.
>Shitty touchpad, feels like crap and not as smooth as apples
>Keyboard is actually better than macs, more key travel from what I can tell.
>hinge is legit, can open it with 1 finger like a macbooks.
>Probably shitty no name ssd
>Runs windows 10.
>GPU gets hot and loud when in use.
>Shitty wifi from what I can tell, friends constantly disconnect at school (not that model but they own a similiar asus laptop).
>Probably shitty customer support
>Hard to find in stores
Macbook still king of ultrabooks tbf
>>53713509
>2560x1600
>shitty AMD card
But why?
>>53715323
WTF are you on about mate?
That's like saying, I was going to get the Honda Civic, but I instead changed my mind and decided to get the diesel F350 dually instead, because I don't care about gas mileage.
>>53716564
I thought MacBook Pro was supposed to be workstation tier
WTF guys?!
Dell XPS series!
I got XPS 13 few months, it has same or better specs than same kind level of apple product, it is smaller, lighter and works like a clock!
Also it came with 3 year onsite warranty which is unheard from apple products!
Oh and screen. Super high resolution with multi touch support and +96% sRGB added to already amazing screen specs and levels...
What a device! I haven't seen apple doing anything that amazing with their screen!
Oh and btw i can freely open & upgrade my storage space if i want to without losing warranty of my device!
Touch pad is also best i have used in a long time, better than my x class thinkpads!
Oh and did i say that it is small? Well it is basically size of 11" laptop while it actually has 13,3" 1800p touchscreen in it!
Oh and it's made out of aluminium, glass and carbon fiber! Light, durable and feels amazing!
>>53712374
The MacBook Air has screws to hold the battery in
Why can't the pro (a much larger) laptop use screws too.
You only need two or 3 like in the non retinas and the battery won't be going anywhere.
>>53716895
50 cents have been added to your Dell.com gift card.
>>53716895
Wow. The only issue is that it is a Dell, so no matter how premium the device is it still has a "dude you're getting one" logo and everyone at the coffee shop will think you're a poorfag.
Also:
>Windows
Remember when they offered a Linux version and provided drivers? The good old days, until they realized nobody was buying them.
>>53716915
this to be honest.
I think I'm gonna go for the Macbook Pro (13", 256GB/8GB) when I save up enough cash. Maybe they'll do a refresh and offer a discount on the current (which will become "old") models.
>>53717300
Well i have whole body covers on it that hide DELL logo on lid, but i get what you are trying to say. Well i don't really go to coffee shops and my friends seem to be some what tech educated so they wont assume that tech is either good or bad only on manufacturer.
I can't say anything about linux support as i haven't seen it necessary for this device when i already got x230 using it.
Still i don't believe that it can be that hard to get linux running well on these devices...
Anyways you should get device that you personally like, not the one others are forcing to you. I mean if you don't like using your own devices why would you get it at first point.
>>53717658
An eminently reasonable post.
Thank you for being a gentleman and a scholar.
>>53713513
Implying that Microsoft ever could make something that even matches Apple. hahaha
>>53713513
CapSoc, is that you again?
>>53712128
>best build quality
>adhesive keeping it together
No. An adhesive used on a compact device with hardly any airflow which will turn into an oven and be forced to throttle once it meets any serious load, is not good build quality.
It is a design flaw, which makes its quality not up to standards of "best" or even "good".
>but anon, muh replacement and warranties
Are not build quality traits, but merely workarounds for poor build quality.
If you left the rest of your post as is, your argument would have been valid OP.
But you went full retard without any thinking and inserted an objectively wrong statement into your post.
How am i supposed to take you seriously now?
>>53713628
>Switching to HP
As an IT guy that leases a ton of workstations and servers, I ditched HP for Dell.
Best choice of my life.
>>53718071
4chan runs on Dell servers.
So I'd go for HP if I were you.
>>53713199
Woah, I almost thought about reading that made up story
>>53713777
Bad battery life, I don't know why people focus on specs so much, if a laptop doesn't have a decent battery life it's pretty much trash.
>>53718111
The HP server I kept is a print server for all the thin clients otherwise the Dell machines are amazing.
Would shill for Dell anytime now.
>>53712311
They already charged you as you bought it
>>53712128
They are overpriced. Not by much though.
You pay for that glowing apple logo when buying a macbook just like you pay for that guy playing polo when you buy a Ralph Lauren shirt.
They are great computers overall no doubt there but you can easily find just as good and better laptops from other brands you just gotta steer clear of the casual consumer models.
>>53712128
so by your logic if i sell my shit for million dollars its not overpriced because no one else sells my shit. someone might sell their shit but its not mine so its totally worth the price.
>>53712128
>best build quality and support in the business
You mean most expensive and overpriced support in the industry that will brick themselves if you try and service them at a third part or yourself?
>>53713337
wow that image hasn't been relevant since 2008 nigger
>>53717300
>Logos are bad
what
>not buying GOOD applel ripoff
>>53718205
>Made up story
Don't worry Anon, I know the rules. Here, have the proof:
>>53717300
>everyone at the coffee shop will think you're a poorfag
You're the reason tech market is so cancerous
>>53719769
anthony, don't go to israel
>>53720742
Why would I?
>>53712967
>having to have 1,5 tb on a laptop
> <current year>
>>53713194
> Windows
> Touchpad
> integrated water boiler
sure thing m8
also, god damn that thing is ugly
>>53713305
>1TB PCIE SSD
>512 gb sata ssd
kek
>>53712128
You can definitely get Laptops with those specs for like half the price, the display might only be 1080p then but retina is a meme anway.
>>53713513
>implying a touchscreen convertible is good
>>53714581
i payed 1300 € for mine, with the storage upgrade
>>53712625
Bernie Sanders is a jew.
>>53713041
>mfw I got a similar specced refurb for $100 off eBay
Can you guys stop trying to brainwash me into buying a Macbook
I have a weak will and am susceptible to impulse buys
>>53713101
Basically this is just saying that OS X isn't a RTOS, or designed to be. It might still be the most advanced desktop operating system, as that has entirely different requirements from being the most advanced RTOS. I would also doubt that people use Linux -- for this case, people are probably using L4.
>>53721498
>HFS+
>literal russian botnet
>backdoor in every mac
>most advanced
>>53719389
Apple logo = premium product
Dell logo = shitty product
Of course, the XPS is a great device, but the Dell logo makes it look shitty.
>>53713513
13" rMBP is 3.48 lbs actually. Also Surfacebook got better battery life, should be included but no touch gestures, so it's pretty shit already.
Better PPI is nice but not that noticeable, tablet with 2h battery life is useless. So you pay 100 bucks more to get cucked by Windows 10 ... great!
>>53713777
5h battery life in 2016 ... it's trash.
>>53713947
I played all of them on 13" MBA from 2012, doubt the cooling on smaller Air is that much worse.
>>53714027
>paying to get spied on
>>53714643
Not really, at least here in Yurope the Carbon is 200 bucks more, also it has shit battery life.
>>53716895
>Touch pad is also best i have used in a long time
Somebody never had a macbook, eh?
>>53722004
Mac OS X had the most security vulnerabilities in 2015
iOS had the second most
Apple cannot into security at all, and people trust them. The morons.
It all comes down to uses. Fucks sake.
If all you're going to do is shitpost and watch Chinese cartoons any run of the mill laptop will do.
If you want specified programs for creation or gaming, then decide which one has the best.
I have a MacBook Pro for recording drums and guitar/bass with Logic Pro. Simple as that, I can't stand protools or any other half baked programs (some are excellent for electronic music but for live instruments logic is my fav).
I also have a gaming desktop which is a PC. Wow. Hard choices
>>53719769
hi anthony. did you work in the grocery store, saving your pennies to buy a mac?
i ask because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8buJ2-oD02E
>>53712244
I use OSX (Hackintosh) for all my Unix style programming and XCode. I have a Linux vps for hosting shit cuz my net is slow. There is really nothing I need Linux for. I sometimes boot into Windows to game.
>>53722628
How easy is it to exploit them though? How many of them need physical access to the hardware?
You're the least likely to get any malware on OSX/iOS from browsing alone.
>>53713236
You know we can read the specs, don't you?
>>53723847
>Being this butthurt that your reality distortion field got BTFO
>>53712128
>2560x1600 retina display
with an objectively inferior 1440x900 desktop real estate
>8gb
literally every laptop
>NVM SSDs
most $1k+ laptops offer m.2 SATA SSDs
I'd rather have a Zenbook, Precision, or T series thinkpad before any Macbook Pro
>>53712600
>>53712618
any AMD FX machine or Xeon Machine
I honestly can't think of a reason to get a desktop CPU with an igpu except for meme workaround bullshit
when I build a new rig im going to get a xeon v3. Fuck spending $100 on an igpu
>>53713513
>3000x2000
>3.34 lbs
but why the fuck did they make it a meme tablet that's top heavy> pisses me off
>>53715353
Could you give me an example of a laptop made in Japan that is available for purchase in North America.
I'm pretty sure HP has a factory in Japan, but I think they calculated that it's only worth selling stuff from that factory within Japan.
>>53712648
All business class laptops (Thinkpad, Elitebook, Lattitude) are comparable, if not better in build quality than Macbooks. Consumer laptops otoh are horrid and in that regard Apple wins hands down.
>>53725373
>muh real estate
>>53725992
>muh usablility
extra sharp text at 1440x900 is not my idea of a good display
Dell XPS 13/15 are objectively the best laptops on the market.
>>53722004
>Apple started making Macs in 2011
>>53726239
>shit keyboard
no
xps 15 maybe for functionality but the 13 is just a run of the mill ULV ultrabook that happens to have a nice screen and is priced competitively
>>53712193
Windows Server is a pretty good.
>>53713081
>>53713276
>>53713513
>>53713276
>>53722450
Surface is quite awful in build quality T B H F A M
>>53712128
Decent machines but they are no longer so exclusively decent. PC OEMs have finally woken up to the fact that they have been destroying their entire market and microsoft has been bitchslapping all of them with their own line of surface hardware.
>>53712128
Honestly though, i dont believe macbooks are overpriced at all. I think thd PC market is underpriced and saturated with products sold at unhealthy margins. At its worst you have machines sold with mismatched dimms, 3gb, which forces the memory to run single channel as thought they are doing you some kind of favor. HP laptops are so trashy and loaded with spyware and are unresponsive out of box.
Sure, maybe apple charges a little too much, but i am convinced most everyone else charges too little and we all suffer for it.
>>53713199
>buys macbook
>gets actual physical support
buy any other brand, you get shit
>>53729639
This. Nowadays there's not much choice between Celeron shittops for around 300€ and full on business laptops starting at 800-900€ a pop for an i3 and same RAM/HDD as the shittops, especially if you want something actually portable and not a 15" behemot that's barely movable around.
>>53713500
>TFW i preferred non chiclet shitboards
>>53712128
>best build quality
>best support
As someone who has worked on those things, haha no.
>>53713500
Macfag here. Apple can take credit for many design trenda and even inventions, but this is not one of them. Sony invented the chiclet island key as we know it today.
So, for anyone here who uses these products:
I heard the trackpad was good. Like really fucking good. It has a lot of gestures and all. I always like to do shit quickly and all, I can adapt to gestures, but I've been always using a mouse for that kind of crap. Nowadays I use hackintosh and I bind one of my dpi switch button on my mouse (thank god steelseries mice are fully supported in OSX) to mission control. Because it's fun and to be fair it's pretty fast. I know most people can do similar things with their keyboards but I don't usually keep my hands close to the keyboard.
Anyways. Should I get a magic trackpad? Does the first one (because honestly I refuse to pay $100 or more for -any- input device) support all the gestures nicely? Or is there something else they added to the magic trackpad 2? I don't mind having to use batteries, I just don't want something half-functional. I -just- recall having a fun time at some electronics store with a rMBP trackpad.
>>53713153
>These use specially built hardware, not Linux.
>hardware, not Linux.
>hardware
>not Linux
>>53730027
it's ok, anon. I felt that feel, too.
>>53730014
The original one is just great and supports everything.
>>53712211
babbys first server os
>>53712211
>Windows Server
This is a thread about operating systems, not oxymorons
>>53712279
My 2012 non-retina 13" MBP (with HDD) broke early last year. Apple Store literally offered me a brand new 13" 2015 MBP (500GB SSD) for free
(Sent from my 13" 2015 MBP)
>>53715397
But how much did it cost you though?
>>53712167
if you can't afford a macbook pro, you aren't in the market. basically haters can shut up because apple aint talking to you
>>53712311
lol, your laptop is so shit that it breaks DURING THE FUCKING WARRANTY?
