Is darknet stuff like tor, freenet, i2p etc justified in existing for the off-chance someone uses it as an informant or contact under a totalitarion regime?
Everyone knows its used 90% of the time for drugs and chilli powder, but has there ever been any stories where these networks were used to save someone's life or bust open a terrorist network or something? Any stories at all would be fine.
If there isn't any should these things be shut down?
>>53691757
I've saved someone once with a single tweet
>>53691813
Tell me however much you can pls
Why is the NSA so interested?
>>53691818
You're mean
>>53691757
If you'll close them down you'll destroy a really big drug and sexual exploitation market. I'd say it worth it, whistleblowing doesn't really do anything, anyone in government is untouchable anyway.
>>53691757
>Everyone knows its used 90% of the time for drugs and chilli powder
the vast, VAST majority of drug deals and 'chilli powder' are done over clear-web (or in the flesh) and with currency other than bitcoin, the fact that tor/bitcoin etc may be used for illegal activity is meaningless and anyone trying to restrict their uses for such purpose is literally removing the freedom to privacy over 'won't someone PLEASE think of the children' tier arguments
>>53691757
People use them all the time for thungs other than drugs. Chinese use it to get around the firewall, Syrians use it to evade surveillance, State Department employees use it to communicate with the embassies, censoring agencies in Britain use it to get around IP blocks.
If you get rid of it because a few idiots use it for drugs, then the junkies will find somewhere else to peddle their shit and honest people will be left with no other options.
>>53692577
This, this should be the answer to anti-tor people. About 3% of the activity done on Tor is violent/incriminating. Tor is usually used by journalists, activists, people living in third world countries communicating with people and browsing the web freely, etc. This is how the Tor Project has convinced state forces to continue the network. Actual violent criminals do not know a single thing about the hidden networks generally.
>>53691757
JTRIG, pls go.
http://www.wired.com/2015/01/department-justice-80-percent-tor-traffic-child-porn/
Iran is one big example. Tor stops people getting taken away by the secret police and never coming home.
>justified
Morality doesn't really come into play you fucking normalfag.
The technology exists and governments are too incompetent/fundamentally incapable/don't care enough to shut the 'deep web' down. That's all that matters
It will exist as long as there's a motivation for it to exist.
You know, the thing we're ignoring is that crime has a reason. Usually harmful behaviors indicate something like mental illness or horrible upbringing/environment, or stress caused by state and capitalistic forces. The problem will never be solved closing down the Tor network, these people will always find an outlet. We really need to stop blaming Tor and instead blame the horrible cultural infrastructure many countries have. Look at Norway and their system(s). One of the lowest rates of crime in the world.
>>53692632
You know what really fucks me off? How the US and especially British government exposed Tor users, arrested them then bragged about it, despite the fact the US is still pushing Tor to help Iranians avoid the exact scenario of their government finding them and arresting them.
Good fucking job on:
1) Giving Iran and China ideas on how to expose their dissidents using the networks YOU say will protect them
2) Proving it is very much possible for them and you to do so if they want it hard enough
3) Rubbing it in their faces that, yes, their governments could come and torture them at any time
They might as well just have fucking pissed directly in their faces, all for the sake of epic Twitter banter. Amazing work.
Tor saved me from my highschool's content filters
