You have 10 seconds to explain, without resorting to memes, why you should be able to encrypt things so that even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it.
Because le epic frog mem- FUCK I CAN'T DO IT
fourth amendment
>>53591527
>muh 300-year-old paper says so meme
So the thousands of well-written, intelligent articles by the top minds of the technological world on the internet aren't good enough for you and you need a fucking opinion from the retards and assholes of the internet on 4chan?
Fuck off.
>>53591545
>top minds of technological world
sadly, they don't understand terrorism is a real threat
fucking nerds can't be responsible for our lives
>>53591545
Yes, that's exactly what I want
do you have any idea what a discussion is?
>>53591545
Wow, those are some big words anon! You must be really smart :-)
>>53591545
>>>/reddit/
The same reason you put letters in envelopes.
>>53591504
I'm not a terrorist.You don't need my shit.There's laws that state this is unlawful and it has been unlawful for hundreds of years.Fuck off you pinko,new world order,piece of shit.
>>53591544
Oh, so lets ban all guns then.
>>53591592
>I'm not a terrorist.
That's what all of them say. Trust me, I know this shit. I'm an FBI agent.
>>53591504
No reason whatsoever, unless you're a pedophile. I don't really have anything to hide. My life is quite ordinary and boring, actually. I don't think anyone would be interested in reading my messages or emails or seeing my normie porn.
But there are other ways of solving the terrorism issue than giving up your rights. You should make sure you don't get in the position of having to use those measures, first.
Thomas Jefferson, who is widely credited with the spirit of the law described by the constitution and bill of rights, invented the wheel cipher to allow himself to communicate with people without intermediate couriers (or eavesdroppers) monitoring him.
he used cryptography, both as a private citizen and as a public servant, and it would stand to reason that it was intended that we be allowed to continue to do that since Jefferson knew about the practice, as he engaged in it prolifically.
>>53591544
>it's old so it's bad
>i hate free speech
>i hate being able to form an organized militia if/when the government tries to fuck me
kys - but not with a gun since you're not allowed to have one
>>53591504
>Make America great again
>Install laws that make Englands rule over the colonies pale in comparison
Eat shit commie.
>>53591504
>be able to encrypt things so that even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it.
it doesn't work that way. you either can encrypt things or you can't. if it is designed with any kind of weakness then it will be exploited immediately and all the security goes away.
>>53591564
Those selfish nerds are too busy working on harmless things like automobile safety, heart disease and energy efficiency.
There are far more important things, like the 30 people that die a year to terrorism
>>53591544
>you can resort to memes
>resorts to meme when refuting a point
>>53591622
post SSN, address, cc number
also let me see what porn you've watched recently, all your search history (including the shit you search in incognito), any nudes you've sent or received
nothing to hide right?
>>53591620
>I'm an FBI agent.
I said fuck off you pinko,new world order,piece of shit.
>>53591614
You seem to be very well versed in Reddit culture :)
>>53591527
lmfao. ur prally one of those noobs who thinks that u should have more then 1 isp per area because its 'healthy'. gtfo of /g/ newfag
>>53591504
Because government as it is currently is #1 enemy of its citizens.
>>53591669
>:)
A fellow redditor I see! I tip my hat to you XD and le narwhal bacons at midnight XDDD
>>53591688
Stop. You're embarrassing yourself.
>>53591677
Sure, lets only have one isp so when they decide to become draconian we just bend over and take it up the ass.
>>53591685
Keep telling yourself that you fucking commie.
>>53591677
>cite a document that lays out important freedoms in the country
>retard proceeds to make retarded assumptions
>mfw people like you would legalize brain reading if it were available
>>53591564
I'm sorry, being gripped by fear and paranoia isn't intelligent.
Also, there are tons of arguments from actual non-nerds as well that say the exact same thing. Oops, there goes your fucking FUD.
>>53591567
There is no discussion. It's been proven as a fact that true encryption is the only sane thing to do. It's over.
>>53591572
Apparently I'm smarter than you are.
>>53591573
>>>/b/ with the rest of the immature little 8 year olds.
I don't encrypt anything. I just like sending random series of 1s and 0s over the internet. It's just the outpit of my /dev/random. Trust me NSA.
Easy. So that they can’t just suspect anyone to be a terrorist in order to invade their privacy.
>>53591626
>militia meme
Spotted the redneck
>>53591504
the chilling effect of surveillance
>>53591741
You think our president and the fucking FBI would waste their time on something that isn't a real threat? You're clearly deluded.
>>53591641
it is funny that americans make the distinction between muslim mass shootings and christian mass shootings.
Where one is "a mentally ill individual" and the other is "linked to terror groups, it even says so on this twitter message"
>>53591636
>>53591641
well said
>>53591744
In the UK, you would go to prison for that.
>>53591750
>i can't refute his point!
>i'll just resort to ad hominem
enjoy getting cucked by the government
>>53591685
I seriously hope Trump wins.Not because I like him,(he's a complete retard)but I know it's going to stir some serious shit and panic amongst the jews in Washington.I'd venture to bet a minor civil war will erupt.Bernie getting elected would have had the results.The puppet Hillary is now their only defense.
>>53591779
Poor Muhammed.
>>53591735
>legalize brain reading if it were available
literally.
>>53591572
>technological
>thousands
>opinion
What large words, anon!
>>53591789
>anything trump
>minor
Fuck you. Everything he does is great.
The civil war will be HUGE
>>53591822
But he's a usin' one of them fancy 5 syllable werds!
>>53591504
kill yourself comrade
>>53591564
>terrorism is a real threat
>barely anyone ever dies of terrorism in the US
You have no balls, anon.
>>53591892
>You have no balls, anon.
That's their goal,my friend.That's their goal.
>>53591763
>real threat
You do know that there hasn't been a single case of anything we've done since 9/11 to improve security that made a goddamn bit of difference, right?
9/11 wasn't a failure of our intelligence system, it was a single unfortunate negative statistic. The reaction wasn't to "make us safe," it was to reinvade the Middle East and give evil people and corporations an excuse to illegally spy on us.
>hurr tinfoil
Insane that people these days will actually think shit like this is tinfoil when it's been PROVEN by so many leaks.
Stop watching Fucked News and start thinking, children. Time to grow up.
>>53591504
well ill bite. because 'people fighting foreign terrorists' can and will (given enough time) became corrupt and free media and journalists and citizens respect their freedom will have to fight them via distributing informative media and other things.
>inb4 this wont happen
it will. for example where i born and live, turkey became objectively corrupt in last 12 years. people who criticize current prime minister erdoÄŸan or even point finger at his regime is treated as terrorists right now. even comics that compare him to dictator are seen as incriminating media. But they shouldn't.
i hope this was a good r/eli5 for you
>>53591504
"should"???
you can, and no one can ever stop you; super hard encryption isn't difficult to implement.
>>53591960
It is. Sure, RSA is simple, but there's a hundred small things to pay attention to when implementing it.
>>53591544
>Don't touch my guns because 2nd amendment
>>53591504
>so that even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it
It's not a matter of doing it so "even they can't read it".
It's a matter of there not being a third option.
You either encrypt, so only you have the power to authorize access. Or you don't.
You can't simultaneously:
1.) give people the right to encrypt their data (a.k.a. prevent anyone whom *they personally* didn't authorize to access it); and
2.) authorize ~someone~ to access encrypted data whose owner did not approve of it.
Because they are mutually exclusive. (2) is in contradiction with the definition of (1).
Encryption obviously wasn't implemented with terrorists in mind.
It's just that terrorists realized the security benefit it provides is indispensable.
What you're saying is that because terrorists found a way to abuse something, we should outright ban it?
By that logic anything that's *theoretically* abusable is a faulty concept because terrorists *may one day* use it to further their goals.
In case it's not clear. I'm criticizing this kind of logic.
PS. Bet you're also pro-gun control, faggot.
>>53591620
Only criminal say they are Policemen, so that you trust them. You're not fooling anyone, terrorist!
>>53591504
Because muh secure online banking transactions. I shouldn't have to worry about civilians breaking into my shit just because our dumbass politicians think we should have backdoors in otherwise secure encryption methods.
>>53591504
Donald Trump, we need to remove your penis to stop the terrorists.
Wait? You won't let us?
Are YOU are terrorist?
Sure, but first I'd like you to explain why China or Russia should be allowed to freely spy on the communications of American citizens, never mind their own citizens.
How about because there's a fascist running for president?
1st, 4th and 5th amendments
>>53592176
Hillary?
>>53592176
There's at least two
>>53591789
Isnt hes family converted to judaism?
>tfw teh joos are playing the reverse psychology card
Any power you give to the current administration will extend to the next, and who knows what kind of nutter will turn up in 2020
>>53591637
this
There's no such thing as encryption with a backdoor for only 1 party. Either it's encrypted or it's not.
Any sort of backdoor will weaken the system.
>>53592176
Nationalist, but I wouldn't expect a liberal to know anything about politics or economics anyway.
>>53592176
I know, and we have to stop her by voting for Trump!
>>53592217
>His daughter and two grandchildren are Jewish, the executive vice president of his organization is Jewish — and Trump certainly has chutzpah.
http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/318770/trumps-strong-jewish-ties/
You may be on to something here.
>>53591564
>terrorism is a real threat
You're seven times more likely to be killed by a police officer than a terrorist.
The government is employing terrorism to take away our rights. 'The threat of terror' is how the government is terrorizing us to get us to willingly enslave ourselves.
>>53591564
>terrorism is a real threat
>You have a higher risk of dying by furniture
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2015/11/23/youre-more-likely-to-be-fatally-crushed-by-furniture-than-killed-by-a-terrorist/
>>53591923
>implying
>>53591504
You have ten seconds to explain why I shouldn't be able to write any string of text that I want to write.
You have ten seconds to show me where in the Constitution the government is given the authority to ban encryption.
The feds want their job to be easier? So fucking what? We shouldn't give up our rights for their convenience, the fuck is that shit.
>muh I don't have anything to hide
People who say this have everything to hide.
>>53591504
> should be able
Not "being able" would mean the end of general purpose computing.
>>53591763
>you think our president and the FBI would waste their time on something that isn't a real threat?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAqzTjdabl4
Yes. It benefits them to spend time on random people because they can inflate the number of people they are tracking/doing shit with to get extra money.
Superfluous tracking = Extra money.
>>53591504
Encryption algorithms are literally applied number theory. Even a novice programmer with a textbook could implement near unbreakable encryption for simple messages. Banning strong encryption is tantamount to banning math.
If bad people want to find a way, they absolutely will. The government cannot stop them. The this is just a false flag to spy on the general public, nothing more.
>>53591504
I am white and not a terrorist
>tfw there will never be a libertarian government
>>53591527
Why are americucks up this early
Nah love you senpai
>>53592451
>unbreakable encryption
O T P
T
P
guess what, a pencil and notepad is all you need.
>>53592477
wtf did you make that a png and not a gif? wasting bandwidth when png has no advantages.
>>53592505
Yes, exactly.
It's so simple a child could do it. The argument that they are preventing terrorists from securely communicating is a joke.
So the NSA can't see my micropenis
>>53592511
I didn't make the image, sorry anon
>>53591781
Ur an asshat
>>53592525
It's okay. I like your message.
I'm not American so I'm free.
>>53592289
He is the globalist Jews worst nightmare right now. You can tell this by the way the Jewish media attacks him
>>53592477
>libertarian government
>>53592593
Someone needs to build roads and uphold my property rights
>>53592591
>tfw teh joos are playing the reverse psychology card
>>53592525
snek is worst
Because it's not just the government you should be concerned about. You're making it easy for criminals as well. https://www.schneier.com/cryptography/archives/2015/11/keys_under_doormats.html
>>53592591
Jews hate him, Muslims hate him, the Pope hates him, who's he got left? How are the Protestants feeling?
terrorists can be bombed in other countries
anyone in the US who is a terrorist is not legally allowed encryption anyway
and because fuck king george
>>53591620
post badge
>>53592698
>implying there's a difference between government and criminals
>>53592620
But why?
>>53592883
>>53591564
>terrorism is a real threat
>Toddlers killed more Americans than terrorists in 2015
http://www.snopes.com/toddlers-killed-americans-terrorists
Fuckin amritards, when they'll learn.
I don't live in USA/Russia/China/Cuba/DPRK/Another shithole.
>>53593001
That feel when it affects you nonetheless.
>>53592709
All those people hating him is a good thing, tho.
>>53592961
that's not a badge
>>53591504
This is bait. Foreign terrorists won't stop using encryption because they don't care what's legal in the US.
>>53593023
Affects me how?
>>53592527
>>53593034
This. Plus, people will get their hands on strong cryptography anyway.
>>53592968
I wouldn't expect an ideologue lilke you to know anything about the economic effects
>>53593042
Let's take Apple, for example. If they're forced to weaken their encryption by the FBI, it has a global effect.
>>53591504
Try this another way around, why should terrorists and regimes be able to access my data?
>>53591545
>top minds of the technological world
there's a reasons those autists are never trusted to run anything outside their own organizations
autism makes you unable to understand legal, security, political and societal questions
>>53593106
because they need it to know how to market 30 pound plastic pussies to weebs
>>53593089
I don't buy Apple, majority of people in Europe don't.
>>53591504
Muh Twitter,grassroots,revolution.
>>53591545
I can't tell if this is a counter meem or if someone legitimately believes this.
Why am I not allowed control over my own information and devices?
>>53593130
It's pretty naive to think FBI won't gun after Android and other platforms when they win this battle. They'll also try to influence the NIST standards, if the government hasn't already, to also have all other cryptographic implementations weakened that use these standards.
>>53593170
because you're a radical jihadist, Muhammad.
>>53591831
underrated comment
>>53592961
HOLY SHIT ITS REAL
>>53593213
Then I'll stop using American technology. Or I just won't care that some FBI agents know about my data, it's not like they have the authority to do something about it.
>>53593213
Not that Android has a viable encryption option.
>>53593281
>it's not like they have the authority to do something about it.
Yet.Yet,my friend! YET!
>>53593405
I'll worry then.
>>53591661
as per usual those nothing to hide retards pussies out, or provides false information :^)
You forgot to ask him for passwords for banking, his bank account, mail passwords, where he leaves his keys to his home and a detailed plan of everything he does basicly
>>53592147
>PS. Bet you're also pro-gun control, faggot.
I'm in favor of gun control.
Encryption in itself will not kill a person, neither will banning it prevent the killing of people.
At least having people prove they're not functionally retarded or completely unstable before letting them buy guns would reduce shootings. There's no way you would absolutely prevent gun violence but it would still make more of a difference than banning free encryption.
>>53593153
>implying maki's not a libertarian
I have freedums, fucking commie
>>53591504
So I can view certain pixels without fear, when I'm not physically harming anyone, or leaving traces of demand of said pixels.
>>53591504
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2016/03/open-letter-president-obama-about-math-not-politics
>>53591544
>muh 2k-year-old book says so meme
literally no different
>>53591504
because I'm not a foreign terrorist and unless someone has good reason to believe I am then they need to stay the hell up out of my bidness
Crypto has been around for hundreds of years. The reason they are getting nervous now is all that potentially lost targetted ad revenue from spying on your data streams.
>>53591504
Because it's my own freedom to do so.
Why should I be obliged to have my stuff readable to other people?
>>53594051
And neither are good arguments. Fuck your Bible and your constitution.
>>53591564
Sorry m8, but terrorism isn't a real threat.
The government should just invent the quantum computer for themselves and fuck up any convential cryptographic algorithm
>>53594331
Only really good at symetric cryptography... in theory. In reality, only good at 3 x 5 = 15.
>>53591504
>You have 10 seconds to explain, without resorting to memes, why you should be able to encrypt things so that even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it.
because no grown adult should be told what to do by another grown adult.
>>53594321
/thread
>>53591504
It's impossible to create a system that the "good guys" can access without also opening it up to attack from bad guys.
Foreign terrorists are a tiny threat in all developed Western countries. Slightly reducing that already tiny thread is not worth giving up freedoms and increasing the risk of far more common crimes.
>>53591504
>even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it.
Because thats not how encryption works.
If the government can access it everyone can.
>>53591504
If the U.S. government wanted combinations and key copies to every physical lock, from padlocks and deadbolts to safes and vaults, people would surely be outraged. People would see, whether or not they could articulate the thought clearly, that in a society where you are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty you should be able to go to bed at night knowing that the things in your personal safe are actually safe, and that taking that away from you because you might commit a crime one day is antithetical to American values.
If the government opened and copied every single piece of mail that passed through any part of the U.S, and stored the copy in case they ever needed to investigate your activities, it would be seen as a civil rights violation and a violation of the U.S. constitution.
When exactly the same thing is done for electronic communications and data storage, no one cares, even though the potential for security breaches and privacy invasions is far greater. "I have nothing to hide", they say. Is it because people have such terrible computer literacy that they do not understand what is really happening? Do they have such a poor understanding of history that they think anyone who ever opposes the U.S. government must be wrong? Is it because they are genuinely frightened of the U.S. government's current incarnation of the bogeyman? Some combination? Something else?
>>53591504
Because you are the terrorists with malicious intent and I want to protect myself from you.
Seriously, who the fuck do governments think they are that they should have unbridled access into everybody's personal lives. Suck a dick, you're not some god.
>>53591504
Innocent until proven guilty, and the 4th amendment
>>53591504
Trump go build that wall of yours and go away.
>>53594321
Are you fucking retarded?
>>53594582
That never happened. Just some bullshit they made up so they could trample our rights
>>53594582
>false flag events are terrorism
So now you're arguing for the terrorists to have our data to prevent terrorism? Sounds like it's going to work out well.
>>53594582
So fucking what, a couple of thousand people died, get over it, that happens every day.
You are probably more likely to get eaten by an albino shark than to be killed in a terrorist attack, why would you give up all your privacy and freedom over that?
Because I don't have terrorist tendencies and law enforcement should fuck off.
>>53594582
And yet we are all over the middle East killing their civilians by the thousands every year since this thing started. How is that not terrorism?
>>53593075
That's what amricunts actually believe.
>>53594582
>3k people
>"Let's invade countries the average Murican couldn't find on a map and kill privacy."
>1,052 mass shootings
>"Who cares."
>>53594290
>saying that the people shouldn't blindly trust government entities is the same as saying that sitting on that chair is sinful because Daisy is bleeding from her cunt and was just sitting there
>it's stupid because it's old
>Newtonian mechanics
>it's stupid because it's old
>Algebra
>it's stupid because it's old
>medicine
>Euclidean geometry
>it's stupid because it's old
>Cartesian coordinate grid
>it's stupid because it's old
Fucking kill yourself, you useless piece of shit.
>>53591831
>Fuck you. Everything he does is great.
... buying real estate with daddy's money is considered "great"?
>>53594582
Kindly reminder that encryption was never used in the planning and execution of that attack.
just testing this shit
>>53593075
>ideologue
... someone cites actual statistics and you call them an ideologue...
Because certain branches of math shouldn't be illegal.
Voted for trump anyway tho
>>53591661
Why would I show you stuff that is not shared online (SSN, ID)? You sure you don't want my credit card number and CCV too?
Yeah sure I could show you what porn I watched, or which porn I have on my PC. I've no issue with that. But it's dumb to give away your papers/documents. Very different shit
>>53594977
>candidate openly wants to rape your right
>voting for him
Only in Murica.
>>53594995
So you never bought anything online?
Authoritarian jingoist - the literal definition of fascism.
>>53594973
>calls someone an ideologue
>takes a position, does nothing to explain it
Well, it's beyond clear that you have no idea what an ideologue is, do you at least understand irony?
>>53595075
you're at least several meta-levels of irony above me.
>>53594995
backdoored crypto means anyone with the key can have your "papers/documents", in addition to literally any other data that ever hits the wire. That's anyone with the key, so if the ten thousand scientists China will devote to looking for it find it, they can have it too. As can the hacker gang in Russia one of them sells it to. And after it leaks out from there, so can anyone.
Crypto that is secure against criminals is secure against law enforcement, and vice-versa. Either neither can get in or both can get in - there is no middle ground.
>>53595075
oh, wait - I think this was a case of 'did not read the entire conversation thread', sorry.
Ok op I'll tell you why. Even though I truly have nothing to hide from the government, the government is not showing I'm trying to protect my information from. It's not even coalitions of Chinese hackers or terrorists, it's skiddies that scream hack teh planet while trying to fuck with my shit for teh lulz. Or the nsa sign no legal reason monitoring me. If the government came to me and my attorney with a legal warrant I'd gladly give them access. But until then they can go fuck themselves.
>>53595013
Online buying is the only thing that probably needs secure data transfer, for obvious reasons. Buying something online doesn't turn you into a terrorist. They can still see you bought something from somewhere, but not your credit card details. That doesn't affect in any way national security.
On the other hand, why would I care if the government wants to check if I'm planning to join IS or something like that? I don't mind, since I don't intend to.
But, again, as I said, these are only security measures which are justified in extreme times, they shouldn't be ordinary rules.
>>53595469
Backdoored crypto lets them check in on anything you're doing, any time, any reason, by definition. It's impossible to limit the government to doing it just for things related to IS.
>but won't they need a warrant?
the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance court, it was revealed in the Snowden documents, had received over ten thousand requests for surveillance. Less than ten were denied. It's a rubber stamp. In any case law enforcement and the national security establishment have shown themselves very willing to collect now and worry about shutting down any legal problems later.
>>53595159
Then I guess online buying is over. Buy physical. Never put personal shit online. That is, not in times of terrorism, when exceptional measures are needed.
>>53595682
>That is, not in times of terrorism, when exceptional measures are needed.
Exceptional measures are not now and never have been needed.
>>53595714
Yeah, well, the problem is lots of criminality can hide behind nice philosophical words. Even extremists "mean well" in their minds...
>>53595682
Those exceptional measures will never go away though. Even after >muh terrorists
Are gone, the measures will remain
>>53595748
The job of law enforcement is not and has never been to catch every criminal. Their job is to catch enough of them to keep society functioning. We don't want them trying to catch all of them, because their job is to be hammers, so everything is a nail to them. They will push to violate any right, to allow any amount of collateral damage to the innocent, to catch more criminals, because their job is catching criminals. That's what they do.
The whole reason we have courts and rights and warrants and rules of evidence is to make their job harder. We accept some level of crime as a price for living in a free nation.
>>53595772
And so can pedophiles hide behind encryption. And then you ask your police and FBI to keep you safe from criminals and terrorists in any magical way, except by snooping on communications. You literally are asking them to do magic, when they can't do shit if they can't intercept communications. You know, especially in an informational age, when everything gets settled on phones, email etc etc. Nobody will take a plane trip to discuss with you small details about something, they will send an email.
>you can get a warrant to search someone's home
>can't get one to search someone's phone
>>53595871
And drunk drivers kill with cars, we should restrict those. Oh! And people on bath salts try to eat other people! We should ban bath salts.
The point is that encryption, strong and reliable encryption, is better for society and humanity as a whole than encryption that is basically a placebo
>>53595893
They can get a warrant. It just won't do them any good. The key is something you know, and the government doesn't have the power to compel someone to testify against themselves, or to compel them to speak in a manner they disagree with.
This has long been the case, it's just now much easier to encrypt lots of information.
>>53591504
I don't have to explain anything because the governments of the world have no power to stop me or anyone else from doing so.
The mathematics behind encryption are well known. And any competent programmer can implement the algorithms.
It has been possible to encrypt things so that no one could read them without the "keys" since before the dawn of computing. Look up "one time pad" you ignorant slut.
>>53591544
That 300 year old paper is the law of the land. If the government doesn't have to obey the highest laws, then no one has to obey any laws. "Law" doesn't exist, only power. A cop may decide "the law" until he encounters someone more powerful and the gun is to his head. Then that person gets to decide "the law."
Is that the world you want?
Because I'm not american and you'd bomb the shit out of me if you found out the population over here isn't majority Christian.
>>53595926
Imo, home users don't really need encryption. Maybe for online purchases, but there can be ways to make that useless to hack without using very strong encryption. For example, I never buy anything very expensive online and I never use cards with lots of money on them, only debit cards or cards with few funds. So, if anyone steals my transaction data, they can't steal shit.+
So, only the government needs really strong encryption and maybe businesses which have trade secrets. But all this should be regulated and only those agents should have the right to use unbreakable encryption. There's no need for casual people to use strong encryption. What's next, do you need to own a tank, because you think your govt can't protect you from terrorists targeting your house with missiles? In the name of personal rights, you can argue pretty much anything in America...
I mean, look, Hulk got like 110 milions for emotional damages for a sex tape scandal. Ffs... ok, personal privacy was breached, but over 100 milion dollars for that? How about 50 or 30 or 80. Why a whole fucking fortune.
Now imagine how many celebrities will try lure reporters into spying on their sex life, so they can sue their mother company and get rich. Only in America.. where individual rights can be used to justify anything, however ridiculous or out of any proportions.
>>53591504
Because encrypted data is indistinguishable from random trash, until it is decrypted.
Empty sectors on your hard drive could be full of what look to be "encrypted" files. How are you going to prove that they're not encrypted?
Guilty until proven innocent.
>>53596061
>Imo
Your opinion is shit and you shouldn't offer it again. Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're an idiot then to open it and remove all doubt.
>>53595926
Your argument about cars is right on the mark, bu FYI "bath salts" the drug is not actual bath salts.
There are lots of things that make it easier for people to get away with heinous crimes. Terrorists coordinate their plots via the Internet, maybe we should outlaw that along with all forms of long distance communication and travel. That would make a huge amount of crime impossible.
>>53596061
You don't use encryption, but that doesn't mean the right should be restricted to others. I don't want my personal information in the hands of anyone who can just "walk" by and take it. My health records are my own, my credit purchases, family photos, anything I own is mine and no one else has a right to see, use, take, duplicate, sell, or ransom it. It is my right to be secure in my personal belongings, and I do not want to be treated as a criminal by having those rights removed in the name of "the children" or "stop the terrorists/pedos/rapists/boogyman"
Also, >>53596077
>>53596077
Don't you need to store a program for decrypting your data in unencrypted storage? Just make that illegal. Problem solved.
>>53591504
Are you really so retarded you need everything boiled down to a ten second explanation? It is a complex issue, how about actually learning about it and making an informed decision?
>>53596061
Why the do you even come to a board about technology if you think that it should be illegal for the average person to use any software or hardware that's advanced past a certain point?
>>53595871
I don't care about armchair pedophiles.
Those who assault kids can't hide behind encryption. Those who provide the CP hide overseas.
The ones who sit in their chairs and download the shit are the least important members of the chain. Using them as an argument against encryption is retarded.
>>53596257
You can't ask for safety from your govt and deny them the right to use stronger tech than you.
>>53596182
You could acquire or even write that software as and when it is needed.
Encryption is only math, well known math, are you going to take the knowledge of how to do math out of my head? Are you going to burn all the books that have this forbidden knowledge?
>>53596358
Who said I asked them for safety?
>>53596358
Are you from the US or another country?
>>53591527
/thread
>>53596379
Then what else would you keep a government for? You have guns, you can defend yourself from a missile attack, right? Same for a land invasion. Or a nuclear attack..
Or a nation-wide cyberattack. Or a terrorist attack with bombs on a stadium. You have no idea it's comming, because it's hiding behind encrypted communication. ANd you get burnt on the stadium, together with your priceless right to encryption..
>>53596370
How are you going to "acquire" it secretly without using encryption?
You'd have to write it and then delete it every time you used it.
>>53591504
Because it's my personal property, if they want in they should have to crack it, I'm not giving them the keys.
>>53596481
>Then what else would you keep a government for?
Are you implying I can just ask them to stop? Yeah because that's how it works.
>Or a nation-wide cyberattack. Or a terrorist attack with bombs on a stadium. You have no idea it's comming, because it's hiding behind encrypted communication. ANd you get burnt on the stadium, together with your priceless right to encryption..
Worth the risk.
>>53591735
I mean, he's got nothing to hide
>>53591504
because how else would i lock my "offensive" pornography? make a physical film reel and store it away in a locked chest?
also banning encryption would throw away tons of technological progress
>>53594667
Because we aren't trying to incite their civilians into panic, only their government and rebel leaders.
As military doctrine says, we need to "reach out to their hearts and minds", and senselessly terrorizing civilians is the opposite of that and causes us more trouble than we need.
>>53596481
>expecting fear mongering to be a valid excuse on why encryption is bad
>>53596564
How else can the secret services snoop on your enemies' communications if they can't have superior technology? If they can't do that, why even have secret services, they should be dissolved and you can protect yourself with hand guns against bombs.
>>53591504
Fuck I hate Donald bald so much...
He'll destroy our great nation, somebody kill him already.
>>53596612
>somebody kill him already.
Why do I only ever hear liberals expressing their wish to kill people that they disagree with?
Why do you leftists hate democracy so much?
>You have 10 seconds to explain
No I don't. You may only have ten seconds of attention, and for that you have my pity, but not everything can be, nor should everything be, explained and understood in ten seconds or less. Hold yourself to a higher standard, be an intelligent, civilized person and take part in a discourse that is longer than 140 characters.
I'll help you start:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsG-UoZnPTo
>>53596604
Having superior technology is one thing, backdooring encryption is another.
>>53596604
>protect yourself with hand guns against bombs
but you can. Bombs don't have significant range. Bombs are only a threat in sufficiently large amounts at critical structural points. Otherwise you just have a shrapnel grenade, and those only maim within a few dozen feet of the blast zone.
>secret services
A handful of minor and unpredictable terrorist actions is a waste of resources to track and isn't what our intelligence agencies should be fighting. As global passive adversaries, they should be spying on foreign nations and controlling Internet traffic to track down known threats, like hacker organizations. They don't need access to encryption-breaking software to do any of that.
>>53591504
Because its mine and it doesn't belong to you.
>>53596481
Fuck the people in the stadium, they deserved to die because they were in a stadium.
After all, stadiums were made illegal since large groups of people are easier for terrorists to attack...
>>53596638
>implying I'm leftist
His seesaw semi-liberal politics are going to ruin right-wing economically liberal politics for more than a decade to come.
>>53591504
>You have 10 seconds to explain, without resorting to memes, why you should be able to encrypt things so that even those fighting against foreign terrorists can't read it.
Would it be acceptable if money transactions used weak encryption?
Would it be acceptable for companies to use weak encryption for their industry secrets?
Of course not. I don't even give a fuck about privacy in this case, demanding weak and/or backdoored encryption is harmful to business and is unamerican.
Because terrorists pose a really, REALLY small threat to the safety of the people. Tracking and logging data hasn't stopped one terrorist attack. This power is known to be abused by the NSA.
Moreover, I shouldn't even have to be worried about what the compilation of my metadata looks like since it's too interpretive and subject to algorithms that are changed and shifted over and over again due to flaws in its predecessors. 90% of Americans aren't cold-blooded criminals. People make mistakes and do bad things sometimes, but we learn as we go, and it's absolutely ludicrous to think that someone sitting on their ass browsing through the internet can do anything seriously damaging. Visiting the internet is different than robbing a bank or printing masses of counterfeit dollars.
>>53591504
because if the assholes who are fightan dem boogy mens can get it, actual thieves can get at it
>>53594401
this
>>53596692
/thread
>>53591504
Saying that you don't need privacy because have nothing to hide is as absurd as saying that you don't need free speech because you have nothing to say.
>>53591504
because people who fight foreign terrorists have as much right to my private data as Mara Salvatrucha or The Bloods do.
>>53591504
Because granting people that sort of power tends to lead to abuse of that power. It starts with "fighting against foreign terrorists" and eventually becomes "because I can."
>>53596944
Hell, recently the NSA has given access to their data their data "meant for fighting terrorists" to the FBI to catch whatever criminals they want.
>>53596692
The government is so big and powerful that if they wanted to crush us in anyway they could had we'd be powerless to stop them.
No amount of Muricans with all their assault rifles and data encryption could stop them.
>believe 9/11 was an inside job, obama is a foreign-born former gay prostitute and that hillary is selling state secrets yet everything is kept secret because muh ilerminaty
>want to change encryption laws because fbi can't crack a fucking iphone
I literally can't understand the reasoning of Trump supporters.
>>53591504
Because we and our companies need to be able to keep our shit safe from foreign terrorists and there's no magic "let FBI in keep everyone else out" button.
>>53596996
Giving up encryption oly aids the government in such a feat. I'm not interested in making it easier on them, why would you be?
>>53596996
Yeah, well people forget that it's common people working for the govt too, not supermen. And they also have families, relatives in the general population. It's not like they are a caste of cyborgs who have different interests from everyone else. They're just salaried clerks, most of them. Mostly political leaders who get in the position of leading public instutions may have corrupt interests, but they are there for a few years only.
There are two types of exaggeration about govt power:
- if there's too much secrecy about them, they must be having discretionary powers and secret tech which makes them abuse their power
- if there's total transparency and everyone knows everything they are using and doing, nobody fears them and they are considered weak and ineffective.
Usually governments prefer to be distrusted rather than literally weak and ineffective.
>>53591504
Because encryption is the bee's knees
>>53591504
Banking info, credit card info, personal data.
>>53592486
We're always up, freedom doesn't sleep.
>>53597149
my roommate is a conspiracy theorist and while his theories are some of the most sane I've heard, it's so easy to overanalyze the government.
Things are left half-done, there's internal conflict at all levels, massive communication inefficiency and misappropriated funds, but almost none of that is done on purpose, it's simply a factor of having humans in control.
the "conspiracy" is the product of human-driven entropy on the governmental process combined with poor communication. My buddy likes to say they "control the elite" but admits the power of any supposed illuminati-type organization is extremely weak thanks to the Internet "enlightening the masses."
There is no control. There is no getting off this wild ride.
source: son of a US govt. employee
>>53591504
You don't want your mom's embarrasing pics leaking do you?
>>53595871
>pedophiles
your answer for everything
>>53597403
Why would I not want that?
>>53596495
Or store it on a flash drive hidden somewhere in a graveyard or whatever.
None of what you're saying matters. The only thing that DOES matter is whether the authorities can plausibly say that the unused garbage data on your hard drive is encrypted data or not and use that as an excuse disappear you into a jail cell for eternity for `refusing` to provide the decryption key/scheme.
>>53591527
../thread
>>53594995
Well you've got nothing to hide right? Or do you?
Saying someone is going to "ban encryption" is like saying someone is going to ban the quadratic formula. You can't ban mathematics. A full implementation of RSA in Ruby fits on a single t-shirt, and AES can also be done the same. It is like the logistics of banning guns. There's just no fucking way it is going to happen.
>>53591504
Because identity theft is a real thing, you mouthbreathing retard.
>>53591504
>You have 10 seconds to explain, without resorting to memes
>language is memetic in its very nature
Meme: an element of a culture or system of behaviour passed from one individual to another by imitation or other non-genetic means.
This triggers my autism
I live under a rock, what is this encryption apple trump fbi meme?
>>53591504
To ensure that information they have no right too is taken and stored.
>>53599823
FBI wants Apple to write code allowing them to brute force an iPhone 5c PIN without timeouts or erasing all data after too many failed attempts. And it looks like the government is on a smear campaign against encryption without backdoors.
>>53599631
But I don't hide my ID, it's just not smart to make your papers public online. It doesn't necessarily mean something bad will happen to you.
On the other hand, nothing can happen to you if the government knows which type of porn you accessed, right?
>>53599936
>nothing can happen to you if the government knows which type of porn you accessed, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT
>>53599992
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEXINT
I'm gonna be so exposed for checking out 18+ babes. XD
>>53599639
>put your implementation of AES on a t-shirt
>wear it into town
>get shot in the chest because of it
encryption successfully banned
2nd Amendment, encryption is a form of defense against tyrannical authoritarian government by common citizens. Shall not be infringed.
