https://consumerist.com/2016/03/16/comcast-att-lobbyists-help-kill-community-broadband-expansion-in-tennessee/
Short of rounding up all the people that enable this faggotry, putting them into a rocket, and firing them directly into the sun, is there actually anything we can do other than bend over and take it?
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>people can't be entrepreneurs by becoming ISPs, thus serving the wide demand people have for faster internet
land o' the free
in my tiny town alone I have a choice between over 20 ISPs, sucks that americans can only pick one or two tops
>>53536951
what good does 20ISPs do u when u only use 1? if u have everyone using 1 isp they have more resources to spend on developing the internet to make it faster and better
>>53536951
If there's multiple ISP choices then it would be harder for the govt to enforce their policy on the internet as they see fit.
>>53536968
spotting the american
>>53536968
There's something for everyone.
There are a few ISPs for poor people, where the internet is like pic related, and there are fiber options for those who can afford it.
I admit that 20 ISPs are a bit overkill, but nobody's complaining.
>>53536968
America is a capitalist nation. Are you seriously against having a free market? You're the shittiest capitalist I've ever seen.
>>53536991
Oh, and there are some where you can get cable TV and fast internet for a really decent price.
>>53536968
You idiot, I'm not even that guy but more competition is always better. If there were only 2 or even 1 ISP, they could easily raise the prices and you would have no choice but to pay or have no internet.
>>53536968
competition desu
The free market allows for increased variety in specialised products, more options for consumers and a greater incentive for competitors to improve their products and technology to attract customers.
Why Americans don't seem to want this is puzzling to me.
>>53537010
thats not true tho. more competition means the company has to devote more resources into fighting the competition rather than improving their network. they cant raise the prices because then people wont buy their internet. its basic capitalism, maybe u never learnt that in class
>>53537052
that's retarded.
improving their network is part of fighting the competition.
you sound like the kind of retard the cable companies employ.
>>53537052
>be Amerifat
>have choice between Comcast and Verizon for Internet service
>both have the same rates for the same shitty speeds
>infiltrate local and state government with lobbyists to prevent any new competition from arising
Land of the free, home of the cucked.
>Electric Company can't expand beyond it's service area.
That fucking blows. I used to live in Tennessee, near Chattanooga where they had the Electric Power Board of Chattanooga (EPB). They have fiber optic services on par with Google Fiber. I was fortunate enough to have them when I lived up there. It's purely a tactical move from Comcast/AT&T because they know, like I did, the moment someone has an alternative, they don't fucking use their garbage services. Comcast would actually have to give a shit in their area.
>>53537052
>The company will work harder for me if they don't have to compete!
I've got some bad fucking news for you. You're a naive idiot.
>>53537109
>both have the same rates for the same shitty speeds
literally proof that ur "competition" nonsense doesn't work. the best case scenario is to get rid of verizon and give comcast more room to breathe, its in their best interest to have more people on their network.
no point arguing with u bernie sanders socialists, u prally wont be happy til theres free internet everywhere.
>>53537164
>Implying Free Market Capitalism is Bernie Sanders-tier.
>Implying you're not the dumbest fucking person in this thread.
You should really stop trying, you keep proving that you have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>53537124
Google fiber is up and running in Nashville now and the attack ads from Comcast are everywhere. ATT also has their gigabit fiber service in some areas as well.
Get used to it, President Trump will make America great again, and AT&T just showed us how.
>>53537164
Kill yourself you cancerous fuck
>>53537164
>fish_looks_at_hook.pict
Nevada bro here.
2 major ISPs here. 3 or 4 smaller ones who pretty much resell you to the bigger ones.
Speeds are pretty good here (0-200gbps)
Wish we had more competition
>>53537180
so when a company does well for themselves, they're a monopoly. yeah that makes sense. lets give corporate welfare to these 'startup' ISPs so we can stifle the successful ones. makes plenty of sense to me.
>>53537224
Kill
Yourself
>>53537224
compare this to the outside world, and then it will start making sense
your ISPs are advertising speeds that are classified as "slow" in the rest of the world and they're claiming that their speeds are top-notch.
"Why would you even need faster internet than this? You can watch netcux at a decent quality, what more could you possibly want?"
>>53537224
Holy shit you're a fucking moron. This isn't a company doing well. This is a company actively manipulating local governments to stop other companies from even offering their services. How in the fuck do you read that and think "Well, this company is obviously having my best interests in mind!"
They don't. Comcast and AT&T are routinely rated as shit companies because their monopolies only exists by 'virtue' of the fucked up Utility Laws in our country and they realize that. They realize they don't need to put money into customer service or their networks, because they realize their customers have very limited options. They only need to be marginally better than what other limited competition there is, if there is any.
Again, you only show you stupidity with each post. Time and time again, history has shown, competition in any given market sector drives innovation and better products for its consumers. e.g. the Calculator Wars of the mid 1900s, Computers in the late 1900s. I can keep going and going.
If you can read this post and still disagree, you're a fucking idiot and there is no hope for you. All I can say is that I hope Comcast gives you a credit on your bill, so you'll at least get some pleasure out of them fucking you in the ass.
>>53537296
>very limited options
>no options
FTFY
>>53537052
Which is why people who live in countries with more ISPs have better internet at a fraction of the cost right?
>>53537296
The calculator wars are the whole reason we have computers in our homes today
>>53537296
i see that i can argue no further with u. ur completely shut off from any outside opinion.
>>53537319
Some areas do have competition, like Chattanooga, TN for example. Comcast has to compete with EPB's fiber optic service. Which they can't. They just fucking can't. EPB has FAR better consistency and customer service.
While I do realize that places like the Midwestern U.S. is literally a giant Comcast monopoly.
I think we can agree that the situation is fucked and Comcast/AT&T are just fucking garbage.
>>53537346
>Some areas do have competition, like Chattanooga, TN for example.
LOL not anymore
>>53537338
>Can't argue because you shut off outside opinion.
>This is un-ironically a reply to a post that contains an explanation of the situation and examples of why you're wrong,
You can't even attempt to rationalize your stupidity anymore, can you?
>>53537350
No, Chattanooga still does. Because EPB offers their electrical services there. (Did you not read the entirety of the article?) The main point is that companies like EPB would like to expand these services to areas outside of their electrical utility area, but they can't, because of the fucked up utility laws. They can't expand their electrical service area, again, because of the fucked up utility laws.
>>53537358
How about you just stop replying to it you stupid fuck?
>>53537022
It's no longer a free market if you let federal or local governments in. How could a private company compete versus something that can get its revenue from taxation and has the power of the government on it's side.
You guys can go ahead and look it up; wherever dark fiber, municipal fiber, or google fiber come in to a community, AT&T and Comcast start offering more competitive rates to customers.
This shouldn't be a surprise to literally anyone, but since the common denominator on 4chan is so fucking low I figured it would be worth mentioning.
Shit, ever since they deregulated electricity provision in my area I've seen a 2 cent drop per kilowatt hour or whatever or on my electricity bill, and that's not even due to competing suppliers, just competing resellers. Service and maintenance is also the same or better.
I'm currently getting people in my neighborhood to sign a list saying we want FTTH in our neighborhood to attract the interest of local ISPs who can build that infrastructure off the nearby iFiber muni-fiber line. It's going to be glorious to have faster internet than any other community for a few hundred miles around.
>>53537358
i cant rationalize nationalized internet noob. im going to be a business owner someday and i dont want the government telling me that im doing so good that taxpayers have to incentivize more competition rather than keeping it an even playing field.
>>53537383
There is an incentive to offer some services through public means. Water, roads, internet, healthcare, basic infrastructure and services that everyone needs and some things that are crucial to people's lives.
>>53537383
Because:
1. The local government is already in, in the worst way possible - mandating that a single private corporation is given monopoly status
2. Government building infrastructure is a good idea, they can then sell wholesale access services to any ISP that wants access to network - so the consumer has a larger choice in ISPs.
Obviously some people/towns will disagree with point 2, but you cant disagree with point 2 and then allow point 1, it's complete hypocrisy.
>>53537403
what's sad is that actually this is the exact opposite of what's happening. comcast isn't in danger of being brought down by government subsidy of competition, it's in danger of being brought down by losing what amounts to government subsidy and then being dragged under by hundreds of leaner, smarter startups.
>>53537403
You fucking idiot. Comcast and AT&T are working to stifle the competition, not provide better service. You in the states pay more for worse internet than I do in a third world fucking country. Don't even get me started on cell phone contracts.
Nobody is asking for government subsidised competition, just for CC asd ATT to stop abusing laws to crush attempted competition.
> America
Honestly why would you even want to be American at this point?
>>53537403
1. The Internet companies are not doing 'so good' they get tax payer money to improve their networks but only put the improvements online when absolutely necessary so they have to spend less. They are also rated among the worst in customer satisfaction
2. The Internet is a need for most people as if you don't have it at this point finding a job, and keeping yourself educated among other things are a lot more difficult without the Internet. There are reasons water, power, sewage are public run.
>America
>free markets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73ZsDdK0sTI
>>53537189
Attack ads? What could they possible attack?
>Google Fibre is too good! Stop using it or you are a communist!
>>53537467
if ur on better internet, how am i using the same website as u?
>>53537491
more like they're probably spreading FUD:
>Google Fiber costs are not clearly communicated!
>This national testing agency rated our customer service ten times better than google's!
>Three out of four google fiber customers have reported difficult installations!
>google fiber doesn't give you your favorite cable channels!
lel, I can imagine the butthurt is immense.
>>53537477
IT jobs in the US pay extremely well compared to let's say... Canada. Comparisons show that for things like technical support, even cities like NYC pay at least 30 percent more than similar jobs in Montreal. Some jobs up to 50 percent. Even when you factor the crazy rent in NYC, you still come out ahead.
>>53537543
Paid for by monopoly profits? lol
>>53537403
$0.50 has been deposited to your comcast account. Enjoy pajeed
>>53537543
i'll take a nice, friendly village in canada over the sprawl and cynical world of NYC any day
>>53536995
Obviously you know nothing about economics
> economies of scale
We allow certain business, through law to be natural monopolies. In theory one ISP (with the peoples best interest) would be the best.
The problem is ISPs are total shitheads
>>53538011
>We allow certain business, through law to be natural monopolies. In theory one ISP (with the peoples best interest) would be the best.
Is this honestly what they teach in economics courses in the states? or are you just a payed shill.
No wonder all your services are so shit.
>>53537543
>canada
>>53538011
>one ISP would be best
No, that's fucking retarded. It encourages stagnation. One ISP means that new ideas don't get tried because people love maintaining the status quo if that's an option.
The best model for service delivery is for the government to own the infrastructure and to rent that infrastructure out to private companies. All companies then have a level playing field, which is the best situation for consumers.
>>53538048
No. No one in their fucking right mind legitimately believes it is okay for the government to control whether or not someone can be in business or not.
>>53538048
Only works in few circumstances. Our power and light company is a natural monopoly. You know how much the startup infrastructural costs are? Its a barrier to entry.
I also clearly said, in theory, with peoples best interests in mind. That means no proce gouging and pouring profits back into research and upgrades etc.
And i should also be clear, not one ISP for the whole country, but one isp per X area. The idea is we don't need 2 isps next door.
The fact that the isps are allowed to do whatever is why we see 60$/mo packages for a whole 4.5 Mbit/s !! Wowee what a deal
