>his operating system doesn't ship with true ASLR enabled out of the box
>his operating system doesn't support watching hd videos
>he didn't verify the hashes of the isos he downloaded
>maybe he doesn't even know how
>HAHAHAHA
>>53052711
>he thinks you can't compile vlc on bsd
>>53052711
it comes with mpv preinstalled fag
>>53052673
>he still lives in his mom's basement
>>53052847
It's a spare room and it's on the top floor, thank you very much
>>53052764
>>53052829
you tried to play full hd videos? good luck without gpu acceleration
>>53052911
yeah i have and i don't need gpu acceleration cause i'm not a poorfag with a toaster
>>53052953
openbsd: the system you download for free but you need to overpay for hardware
>>53052981
wow i can smell your poverty across the screen
funfact: Windows update won't work with DEP enabled.
>>53053015
you can save money on graphics though because there's no gpu drivers anyway haha
>>53053094
>needing gpu drivers for an OS centered around security
what the fuck is your point anyways? fuck off already if you don't like OpenBSD.
>>53053140
>>53052673
Doesn't Windows use ASLR by default?
Or am I thinking of W^X?
I still applaud OpenBSD for being the first to take it seriously.
>>53052673
Enjoy your backdoors and no jails
>>53053094
so you own a nvidia card is what you're saying
>>53052847
You mean his mom lives with him, as a live in nanny, because the hired help kept on stealing things.
Sometimes having a 12 bedroom is a pain in the ass.
>>53052911
Hu. You must be a windows user. The rest of the world has had 2d acceleration since the 90s, including accelerated video rendering a decade before the first GPUs.
You don't need GPU for HD video playback, you just need a decent OS with good drivers.
>>53053498
The rest of the world use their gpu and watch full hd movies smoothly.
>>53052673
Great OS, my router runs it :)
Also routers in data center runs openBSD
>>53054143
Are you using embedded hardware or just a standard PC for it?
I always wanted to know what using it as a router is like.
Port forwarding is done through PF, right?
>>53054143
>Also routers in data center runs openBSD
nope, way too slow as is any non-ASIC.
>>53053498
>you just need a decent os with good drivers
OpenBSD is neither of those
>>53053094
Intel and Radeon drivers included in the kernel. Nvidia doesn't provide enough documentation so the only open source alternative to their proprietary drivers are nouveau which is broken anyway.
>>53054475
>ancient Intel and Radeon drivers ported from Linux into the kernel without any code review
>FTFY
>>53052911
We are not in 2006 anymore senpai, anything can software decode and render FHD this days
>>53054522
Intel Linux drivers are miles better than Intel Windows drivers, both are supported by Intel but made by different teams, and the *nix drivers are FOSS unlike the Windows drivers
>>53054522
Supports up to Hawaii at the moment and it receives updates fairly regularly.
http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi/OpenBSD-current/man4/radeon.4?query=radeon&sec=4
>>53052829
no it doesn't. show me where in http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/ or http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/xenocara/ mpv is...
yes you can install it from ports or pkg_add, but it's not pre-installed. stop lying.
I tried FreeBSD and got black screen for video in vlc and no sound anywhere. Is OpenBSD any better? Or is there something silly I'm doing or not doing?
I am interested in a port system, but Arch's was disappointing and there doesn't seem to be one in Debian.
>>53052721
maybe he doesn't even know c++
>>53054522
>ported from Linux
>when it's GPL licensed
i dont think so tim
>>53054688
AMD's drivers are licensed under a permissive license similar to MIT/X11
https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/stable/linux-stable.git/tree/drivers/gpu/drm/amd/amdgpu/amdgpu.h?id=refs/tags/v4.5-rc1
>>53052673
>openplacebo
>true ASLR
choose one.
>>53052764
>implying you actually need to compile it
>>53055012
oh hey the "lmao openplacebo" guy is back
try changing your tactics
>>53052673
>>his operating system doesn't ship with true ASLR enabled out of the box
>ship
Implying a buy a cd
Implying you know anything about any OS
Using a fagot image for a fagot statement.
>He doesn't fuck woman.
>>53055032
>Implying he knows how.
>>53055181
>he doesn't realize that ship is a common word used to describe the release of software
I bet you think "deliverables" actually have to be delivered by hand, too, pleb.
>>53054622
>forgot install X
>>53054622
It's significantly worse.
Install Gentoo.
>>53055400
I can't run xfce without x right? (or vlc kekeke)
>>53055614
Maybe one of these days. It seems like so much more of an ordeal than Arch...
>>53054475
>only open source alternative to their proprietary drivers are nouveau which is broken anyway
The fact it even works is surprising
>>53057579
>I can't run xfce without x right?
Yes it's X11 only DE.
>or vlc kekeke
You can use vlc without X11 (cvlc for audio only) can't say same about video, because I don't know have vlc support directfb or not.
>>53057579
>>53057696
vlc actually supports framebuffer output (surprisingly good), but it's inconvenient to use without an interface
>>53057696
Fair enough, I was running vlc from xfce so I'm guessing there was a graphics driver issue specific to the overlay. But anyone who is familiar with these systems can probably tell I'm out of my depth. It was an mp4 from youtube-dl for what it's worth.
Debian seems to handle it without a hitch without involving nonfree software.
>>53052829
dawg, I'm an OpenBSD user myself and this is some bullshit. MPV is NOT in the default install of any version of OpenBSD that I've used since 4.0.
I mean, if you do an install with all of the Xorg libs and whatnot you get just enough to have a functioning GUI but nothing more.
>>53057728
DirectFB or SDL via DirectFB?
https://wiki.videolan.org/DirectFB_Compile/
>>53057777
leave it to a linux user to save a jpg of a jpg of a jpg
nice artifacts there mate
>>53057777
Which driver are you used?
>>53057728
It's has ncurses interface.
>>53057799
>>>
mp4 is jpgv? Interested in learning more about this idea if there is any more to learn. If not, I guess I'll remain a 'linux user'.
>>53057810
Not sure, whatever happened to land in my system when I installed FreeBSD. I have a T500. Did I miss a critical step in configuring?
>>53057847
(using on board intel fx vs discreet ati)
>>53057847
99% yes, you possibly used EXA instead SNA.
It's Intel bug which affect all *nix.
>>53057873
Or this.
>>53057897
>used EXA instead SNA
Interesting anon, will check into this. Thanks!
>>53057947
It's head of iceberg but most terrible and awful, thanks to intel which provide outdated shitty driver for *nix.
Also you can try 3.8 drm update
https://wiki.freebsd.org/Graphics/Update%20i915%20GPU%20driver%20to%20Linux%203.8
also possible build and load module instead build new kernel.
>>53052829
>>53057779
It's in the ports tree and packages but not the base system.
>>53052673
>not using grsecurity
>not recompiling archlinux packages with PIE enable
>>53059865
Why not use gentoo in the first place
>>53059966
tooo lazy to install it on my laptop..
I mean, I already set things up the way i want it..
full-disk encryption, LVM, syslinux, etc.
and pacman and yaourt are much simpler than portage and layman..
>>53052673
>no drivers
>tons of packages are just linux ports
>b-but muh security!
>>53052981
I have it running on an old Pentium 4 that I rescued from the dumpster at work. It's probably one of, if not the best OS for older hardware.
>>53052673
>his operating system ships with an incurable disease
>>53053279
Can you provide evidence that a backdoor exists? Because the code is routinely audited, both by the devs and independently, and to date no backdoors have been found.
Also OpenBSD has chroot. It serves the same purpose as jails.
>>53061028
>Also OpenBSD has chroot. It serves the same purpose as jails.
Nigger, Jails are WAY better than chroot. It's not even close. The only comparable things are Zones on Solaris/Illumos and LXC on Linux.
>>53052673
>his operating system doesn't ship with Candy Crush Saga preinstalled
>>53052721
THE SHAS!
>>53053140
>hey gee, why don't you use memebsd, it's the best
>can it do simple day-to-day shit which is the purpose of an os?
>NO and fuck off if you don't like it!
bsdcucks everyone
>>53053498
>decent OS with good drivers
bwahahahahaha
>>53061100
Chroot in OpenBSD is not like the chroot you are used to in Linux. Or more correctly, Linux does not even come close to taking full advantage of what chroot can do. OpenBSD on the other hand makes extensive use of it and that is why Jails havent been adopted. They are redundant.
>>53061100
relax, that's the memebsd standard MO
>lol, we don't need seccomp
>hey guise, look at this tame innovashun
>lol, we don't need virtualization
>hey guise, look at this vmm we're working on
>lol, we don't need jails/containers
>hey guise, look at this... ehm... light-system-partitioner
nih++
>>53052721
Come on man, everyone visiting /g/ knows that, you're underestimating everyone by a whole lot
>>53061801
Meh, sometimes it works out for the best. OpenSSH, OpenSMTPd and LibreSSL are pretty neat.
>>53061801
This. And this is why I'll keep referring to it as openplacebo. It refuses any security technology as "useless" and "bloat" and "extra attack surface" (even though depth can't add attack surfaces, by definition), and then turn around a few years late and implement it. It didn't even have proper ASLR until 2008 while all linux distros had it in 2005 in-kernel, and it was available as a patch since 2002. Then they call themselves the most secure.
>>53061878
LibreSSL wasn't a thing before goto fail. opensmtpd is dogshit. Really, libressl is another great example as to why memebsd is not secure at all: first they implement fuckall contingency-style security measures, second they're entirely reactionary.
>>53061913
>It didn't even have proper ASLR until 2008 while all linux distros had it in 2005 in-kernel
clearly you have no idea what proper ASLR means if you think Linux's qualifies.
https://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3367
>>53061961
It qualifies more than openplacebo does.
>>53061913
>not enabled by default
>every single thing breaks when enabled
This what you mean by "proper"?
>>53062041
We're talking about linux here, not openbsd. Try to keep up.
>>53061929
>OpenSMTPd is dog shit
Why? 90% of the effort involved in running an MTA is editing config files and OpenSMTPd has the best syntax by a light year. I don't need LDAP or a database, and OpenBSD's spamd provides all the filtering I need.
>>53062053
ASLR isn't optional on openbsd, it's always on.
>>53061981
Please keep using that moron tag so I can filter your retarded shit.
>>53053268
Yes and no, applications can choose wether they want to utilize it. Needless to say, most don't.
>>53053268
The first to take it seriously was the PaX groups on linux. As usual, openbsd just copied it after calling it useless for years.
>>53062125
Still not on by default in linux, which makes it useless.
>>53062154
>defaults cannot be changed
>you are stuck with them forever
>>53052764
>he uses vlc
>>53054245
windows & bsd will never be either of those.
>>53061100
Jails are only useful on a desktop, which is why I use FreeBSD on desltops.
OpenBSD is more secure than free for servers.
>>53063168
Too bad OpenBSD's performance is too shit for servers. It's only in 5.8 that the reaper didn't use a kernel lock.
>>53063079
>he's got a mustache
>>53063220
I remember configuring it to run on servers as well as Net. Don't remember how, switched all my servers to Cent/Debian years ago.
>>53063220
>>53063252
I think it had something to do with them limiting performance, to conserve power for laptops or some retarded shit.
>>53063056
The point is that everything than runs on openbsd today, have been fixed to work under their always-on aslr and other on by default security features whereas on linux, once you enable these, anything and everything could shit itself and you have to fix it yourself. Which is why it remains a neckbeard / timewaster option for the foreseeable future.
>>53063416
Does OpenBSD use glibc?
typical day of openbsder
>install mpv
>see that PAE option you will never enable because you will never have it
>play lossless bdrip of anime you downloaded
>choppy playback, top reports 100% cpu is used by mpv
>go online to order better cpu even through we both know you could just install freebsd and watch that anime in a hour
>but muh minimal suckless software
>gpu acceleration considered harmful
>>53063551
Nice bait. OpenBSD with mpv can play back 720p anime well on a pissant E-350 APU.
>>53063168
>Jails are only useful on a desktop
You what mate. They're lightweight containers. I used them just like Solaris zones.
>>53063559
Kek.
>>53063465
of course not. it's free from gnu userland.
>>53063220
It's ok for basic servers. Not every server needs high performance. Sometimes you just need one to be secure, reliable and require as little maintenance as possible, and that's where OpenBSD shines. You can setup your server fairly quickly and easily, boot it up, and just leave it alone to do its job under normal circumstances. Chances are it'll work as expected indefinitely, or at least as long as your hardware holds up. There are OpenBSD servers that haven't been rebooted in years, if not decades.
If you need something fancy or even a little bit complex, or if performance is a factor, FreeBSD is the better choice. Basically if your servers would benefit from running on Red Hat or Cent, then FreeBSD is something that you should seriously consider instead.
>>53061929
goto: fail; had nothing to do with OpenBSD you ignorant retard.
LibreSSL was started in response to the severity of "heartbleed" coupled with the sudden realization that the OpenSSL devs were actually ignoring glaring problems on their issue tracker for months/years. OpenBSD devs realized heartbleed was merely a symptom of a set of complications.
>>53063416
Ok, sorry for missing your point. I'm used to the dipshits around here who whine about not having their hands held every step of the way. I really hate the 'it just werks' mentality, and that is what I thought you were getting at. So again I apologize.
>>53063559
>720p
>>53063755
except it isn't lol. they only talk about replacing gnu, unlike bitrig which actually does it.
>>53064076
The only gnu software in the base system is their specific branches of gcc-3.3.6 or gcc-4.2.1 which are kept around because of all the mitigations they integrated into them and because on certain older platforms there's no alternative. OpenBSD devs require that every platform be capable of compiling itself and software in the ports tree.
There are talks of replacing GCC with LLVM/Clang eventually on some platforms but older architectures would probably never be supported so even then there would be some reliance on gcc but not the GNU project(the devs wont even respond to their bug reports anymore IIRC).
>he gave up true freedom for 10 bit anime
>>53064729
>permissive
>freedom
choose one
>>53064864
It's amazing how that cognitive dissonance doesn't make your head explode.
>>53065385
ok cuck
>>53065463
>12 year old detected
>ignoring
>just like mommy and daddy do
Children should be seen and not heard, and also this is an adults only website. Please fuck off.
>>53052673
linux comes with aslr
>>53066036
Not enabled by default and also it's shit:
http://sys.4chan.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.grsecurity.net%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D7%26amp%3Bt%3D3367
>>53061801
>seccomp
>behaving the same as pledge
you're a fucking retard and didn't actually do your research then
>>53066651
It's not fair comparing the kernel to an entire OS though. Linux kernel is expected to work in many places so the kernel has to be as generic as possible. The devs don't try make assumptions about what you're going to do with the kernel. All difficult choices are left up to the downstream devs and many distros enable them.
https://source.android.com/security/
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Security_Features_Matrix
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Security_Features
>>53067418
oh the irony
>>53067732
https://youtu.be/F_7S1eqKsFk?t=782
nevermind the fact that if you're using seccomp, the policies don't even resemble the pledge ones
>cuck license the OS
No thanks OP.
>>53067790
I laughed. Placebofags are literally THIS deluded.
>>53067915
do you have an argument
why have you been posting in this thread for a year
>>53067934
The irony is killing me!
>>53067934
This thread doesn't even exist for a day.
>>53068039
i meant to say "these threads"
>>53067866
>pedophile manchild plus linux
No thanks.
