fun fact Arch is short for Archenemy because that's what this distro becomes if you use it for more than a week
It's a fitting logo though... All tattered and broken like a triangular flag someone has shot and cut up.
>>52991595
>I just failed to install Arch and now I'm mad.
>>52991683
So what if he couldn't do it? Linux should be easy if it is to compete with proper operating systems like windows and OS X.
>>52991730
Arch is a meme and most people here only pretend to use it so they can get someone to fall for the meme by wasting their time installing it.
>>52991595
XD upvoted good sir!
>>52991730
>All operating systems should compete for the attention of normies and children.
I mean, yeah. Why even have different operating systems in the first place?
>>52991730
Arch Linux's goals are not the same as Ubuntu's.
>>52991730
Arch is designed to be as difficult as possible, to really fight the user and make it a proper Challenge because some People find it entertaining. If you want a easy Linux then there are several Choices available.
>>52991883
>Arch
>difficult
how dense are you to not be able to read and copy paste?
>>52991883
Provide examples.
>>52991730
tl;dr Arch Linux isn't all of linux and some other Linux OSs are easy.
If you knew even little about what you're talking about, you'd be aware there are multiple different Linux based operating systems, usually known as distributions. Arch Linux doesn't include a user-friendly point-and-click installer, because it's aimed at users already comfortable with Unix-like systems and tries to eliminate much of the cruft an intermediate to advanced user would not require out-of-the-box.
More user-friendly distributions like Ubuntu or Mint are aimed at general users and their installation process is comparably easy to Windows or OS X.
>>52991883
>Being this butthurt
>>52991901
>how dense are you to not be able to read and copy paste?
Does not work, the Arch wiki is shit and don't explain anything. You need to get wifi drivers or Ethernet drivers because you don't have either and both need to be downloaded. This is not covered.
>>52991913
xubuntu, Linux mint etc.
>what users want
stable core OS and latest software
>what linux gives them
a. stable core OS and old software (Ubuntu)
b. unstable core OS and latest software (arch)
>>52991920
>no official Linux distribution
>expects sane people to put up with this bullshit
Also no, aptget is not easier than grabbing an exe from download.com or installing software from optical media. What is the point of running an OS that fails so badly at copying microsoft when you can just use the real thing?
>>52991979
>stable core OS and latest software
>what provides this
nothing, it's basically an oxymoron
>>52991848
Are you retarded or...?
Linux desperately wants to be a user-friendly OS.
>>52991966
>need to get wifi drivers or Ethernet
What hardware are you using? I had no problem with intel, atheros and realtek.
>>52992027
>this OS is better because it has the official sticker on it
>download.com
>optical media
Fine grandma, I'll fix your email this one last time.
>>52991966
you must be that kind of /g/ user that fall for the Arch-meme
don't worry it's okay to fail to use Arch
i'm sure that you are good at something like being a normie on /g/
>>52991966
I meant to as for examples of Arch
>really fight[ing] the user and mak[ing] it a proper Challenge because some People find it entertaining.
>>52991848
Sure thing bub, enjoy your 0.0001% market share and dead OS
>>52992027
>>52992062
These posters have
[_] understood what Linux is.
[X] not understood what Linux is.
Gee, guys I'm sorry. Good luck next time.
>>52992062
[citation needed]
Does a kernel have it's own will?
>>52992107
>Desktop market is everything because gamez!!1
Might I recommend /v/?
>bait
Either way I found arch to be way easier to use over time than Debian or Ubuntu. It has intuitive commands and a wiki that won't quit
>>52992062
Linux desperately wants to be a kernel. Some distributions of Linux want to be user friendly. Do you think they fail? Do you find Ubuntu had to use?
>>52992080
>>52991966
Please respond.
>>52992134
arch is a desktop only distro. arch devs confirm.
>>52991913
>I'm too stupid to search something on google
stick with any OS you have and overpay somebody to fix your problems, there's no hope for you.
>>52992296
lern2read
>>52992101
>you must be that kind of /g/ user that fall for the Arch-meme
I used Arch for a year, it's not Worth the hassle to use a distro for troubleshooting enthusiasts just to get nerd cred.
>>52992103
All the exotic errors you get, the toxic and hostile userbase. Arch users are generally unhelpful and condencending towards other Arch users when they have problems. I have encountered thousands of errors on Arch and every single time People just og "LOL, noob... read the wiki" and the wiki never answers shit. I have used Linux for many years and can troubleshoot just fine when I read normal documentation, but the Arch wiki is especially shit compared to everything else in the Linux ecosystem so it is generally useless. And other Sources don't help because the errors are often unique to the Arch distro and often something not many others have seen.
For example suddenly xfce stops working and you get a error, you Google that error and nothing similar comes up. You ask other Arch users which of course just answers "just read the wiki" and if you are so stupid you ask where in the wiki you are just met With stupid cackling and laughter. So you og looking in "xfce" in the Arch wiki, but the wiki is so bad and don't explain shit so you rather use the official xfce documentation. Maybe ask People Connected to xfce, and they are way more helpful, but this problem is too exotic and they have never seen anything like it before because that is how Arch user like their errors. So after a couple of days troubleshooting, reinstalling xfce, updating, rebooting, tweaking this and that, you just give up and try some alternative DE. Which Works until you update and then the same thing again all over.
>>52992296
>implying other distros break as often as arch
>>52992375
>All the exotic errors you get
Like what? I've used Arch for years, and I can't remember any such things.
>the errors are often unique to the Arch distro
That's very odd since one of Arch's core ideals is providing vanilla packages.
>the Arch wiki is especially shit compared to everything else in the Linux ecosystem
I have not found this to be the case.
>For example suddenly xfce stops working and you get a error
Do you remember what the error was?
>>52992375
glad to hear that after messing with arch for a year you understood what it is about.. but it only takes 30 seconds to read their "about page"
you're a winner my friend
>>52992501
>Do you remember what the error was?
So you can tell me "go read the wiki" or cackle and make fun of me? I need a distro that work, not a experimental distro for People who enjoy troubleshooting weird errors. I am not a neet, I need something that Works.
All distros are shit, but Arch is one of the least.
>>52992556
>need: something that works
>what he used: Arch
k-kek
>>52992556
But Arch does work, I have used it for years and I spend no time troubleshooting exotic errors.
What was the error?
>>52992556
What distro doesn't make you troubleshoot weird errors?
>>52992540
I am a veteran Linux user, I always found some workaround. After using it for a year I suddenly had responsabilities With deadlines so I had to get a functioning distro instead. It's not because i did not understand that Arch was a timesink... I found it entertaining to be quite honest, all these weird errors like Windows Vista on crack. But I needed something that work, and the Arch users are a toxic and hostile bunch of nerds so I was kind of glad to not have much to do With them anymore.
Today I use Lubuntu, it Works and I can do my job without any hassle.
>>52992670
>>52992646
Come on, Anon, post it.
>>52991595
install LTS version of kernel and stop complaining.
>>52992670
How the fuck is ubuntu better?
Do you like dealing with apt's bullshit?
>>52992375
Canonical must be doing pretty badly to hire low quality shills like this guy.
>>52992136
>a wiki that won't quit
What do you mean? That the community around the wiki is strong?
>>52992670
when did you reached that "veteran"-level?
before or after installing arch?
>>52992556
Do you remember what the error was so I can
[ ] tell you to "read the wiki" or cackle and make fun of you
[x] go check the wiki myself and see whether the problem or solution is there and:
* If I understand the problem and know the solution, add it there
* in case of a bug, encourage you to report it to the xfce devs next time
I don't understand why you think we are outright trying to confirm your experience about unhelpful linux community. I'm not denying one exists.
>>52991595
It actually is short for "architect," meaning that you spend your whole time building the OS but never actually use it for something worthwhile
>>52992670
>I am a veteran Linux user
Wow, do you have like a medal or something?
>>52992693
No I am scared you will tell me to RTFM.
>>52992646
>What was the error?
Thousands of them everything from kernel panics that did not stop it from functioning to weird sound errors (sounds Works perfectly for 140 Seconds after each reboot and then turns itself off.) and DEs that stopped working and suddenly every service have to be started manually at every reboot. After update Arch disappears from the bootloader and all sorts of crazy shit, I could og on for days just listing them all.
>>52992668
Most distros don't make you do that
>>52992761
>>52992751
>>52991595
what a knee-slapper
You're nearly as clever as RMS when he insists on calling things "iBads" and "digital restrictions management"
>>52992781
Possibly. But probably most popular ones do from time to time.
Ubuntu does for one.
>>52992750
All he knows about Arch and its community is from a bunch of pictures posted on /g/, give him a break.
>>52991883
Use this next time.
>>52992027
>installung shit from download.com
Gee, good look with that cancer installer n shit
>guaranteed replies
>>52992717
apt is fine, any hassle can easily be fixed manually.
>>52992742
>>52992757
I just mean I have used Linux for many many years. But I am just a normal civil engineer that enjoy Linux. I don't develop for it and I rarely program much more than just scripts so the "veteran" term was only used as a 'i have used Linux for a long long time' not 'i am a expert'.
>>52992761
what's rtfm?
>>52991883
Nah m8. Arch isn't difficult.
>>52992877
>rtfm
Google is your friend.
http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#rtfm
>>52992781
This: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=182023 ?
As for the other stuff - I don't know why our experiences have been so different, for me Arch has been stable.
>>52992781
>I have no real example so I'll just post the most generic bullshit possible
A bug in arch is mostly a bug upstream. Here is the default kernel https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/linux and here is systemd https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/systemd if you don't believe me.
>>52992926
Well... similar, i tried both pulseaudio and alsa. And alsa had the problem. never got pulseaudio to work at all. But I eventually found a work-around , but not thanks to the Arch wiki or the hostile Arch users.
>>52992905
>arch users call themselves hackers
What a joke of a community you have there.
>>52992934
you do realize that like 50% of all open source projects have dead or unresponsive upstreams.
just take grub:
https://projects.archlinux.org/svntogit/packages.git/tree/trunk?h=packages/grub
arch has lots of patches, just get ABS and look for .patch
>>52993015
ESR != Arch community
Hell, ESR != hacker community
even though he keeps telling himself he is.
>>52991595
I've used the same arch install for about 18months now, had no issues here.
must be a problem retards have.
>>52993043
>50% of all open source projects have dead or unresponsive upstreams
More like 90% but none are "important" projects. Also you should probably read those patches and see how little they do.
>>52991979
Get Chakra, m8
>stable OS
>bleeding edge since its an arch fork.
>>52992080
>>52992501
>>52992646
>>52993086
> Arch users sure like to brag about how 1337 they are.
>>52993138
I wouldn't even consider myself an intermediate linux user, arch isn't hard to maintain, no harder than any other distro.
>>52991595
arch is great
>>52993015
>implying I use Arch
>implying anyone cares what you think of them
>>52993219
>i'm 12
mods pls...
>>52991883
Slackware please
>>52993107
are you calling grub2 unimportant?
every distro has basically their own version of it because upstream is shit.
let's take another important core part of a distro: its initramfs, arch is doing their own NIH project here.
>>52991966
>the arch wiki is shit
Kill yourself or show me a Linux wiki that is better than the Arch wiki.
>>52992107
I'll be sure to enjoy the fuck out of some number only fat capitalists at the top of consumer robbing companies care about.
Market share is fucking irrelevant unless you're on the market yourself.
>>52993349
wikis do not replace manuals.
wikis are only useful for looking up some references. arch wiki works fine for other distros, too.
if you want to learn about your distro in a coherent way, there are better resources like:
https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-handbook/
beware: that assumes a coherent distro that patches packages that do not confirm to their standards like Debian
>>52991730
It's not trying to compete as a hand-holding desktop. It's for power-users. If you don't want to put the time and effort into using it that is required, that's cool, but don't blame it for not being something it never was intended to be.
Manjaro and Antergos are hand-holding distros based on it. They do a perfectly good job of that.
>>52993470
the only reason arch doesn't have an installer anymore is because no developers did step up.
it wasn't some philosophical decision.
fun fact:
Arch is actually short for "arching" which is the position Aaron Griffin prefers his users to be in while they manage his packages
>>52993281
>are you calling grub2 unimportant?
No I am just saying those patches don't really do much.
>arch is doing their own NIH project here
You could have said netctl but they actually had good reasons (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mkinitcpio#Overview) for that.
>>52992877
>that fucking damage control
Arch is fine, any hassle can easily be fixed manually.
>>52991730
>Linux should
you don't know shit about linux you dumb kid
>>52993740
Arch is the best OS
>>52993792
whoops didn't mean to quote
>>52993792
>1288 packages
anon what are you doing?
>>52993895
He uses his computer for more than shitposting.
>>52993895
Having an install I've had for a very long time that I use for lots of things.
Got all the prerequisite packages for Steam to run using its own environment variables, got a bunch of different dependencies for different WM's and DE's, A bunch of different VM programs, wine. different versions of the same libraries, so on so forth.
>>52993577
>No I am just saying those patches don't really do much.
could say the same about most Debian patches
>You could have said netctl but they actually had good reasons (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/mkinitcpio#Overview) for that.
doesn't compare against other initramfs at all.
no other distro did pick it up and all those features are now in dracut without any contributions by arch devs.
sure, we can try to list other NIH by arch.
the elephant in the room is prolly PACMAN, which offers nothing new and lacks behind in features and correctness compared to the RPM and DEB world.
https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/16702
pacman also has an horrible track record when it comes to security, adding signatures very, very late and there's always AUR.
even arch's KERNEL isn't that great, tho you need to look in the config:
no MAC enabled at all
i686 hasn't PAE enabled, that means no NX
or look at their update strategy:
not following the latest stable kernel versions till a new stable version drops, but dropping the old stable version when a new mainline version drops. so recently it wasn't 4.3.4 to 4.4.1 but 4.3.3 to 4.4.1
then you could look at likely the most important software there is: your browser
arch packages FIREFOX linked against bleeding-edge system libs despite upstream bundling the right versioned libs
>>52991595
It's like the programming language of OS's, where all you really do is constantly fix errors. Shouldn't it make sense for a system to function on its own though?
>>52993155
if you use it every day sure
>>52995069
im not sure what you're getting at with this
>>52993508
underrated
Using arch is a guilty pleasure of mine.
Aside from proprietary software relying on old packages, it is much easier to use.
>>52993792
sorry you are a pleb m8
>>52993508
>those dirty soles
>those faded clothes
why are arch users so nasty?
how about void linux?
>no systemdicks
>solid usable package base
>>52991595
> been using same arch instalation for over a year
> never breaks unless I fuck it up
> each time I fuck it up I'm able to fix within the hour
Arch is not hard and very forgiving
>>52991595
Can someone suggest something better?
>>52993792
What DE are you using?
>>52995769
i use i3
>>52991595
Nice meymey.
This is why people should have to use whatever they complain about before they do so.
>>52991595
Arch is as good as the man who uses it.
>>52995787
Config? Theme?
It's very OSX alike, I like it
>>52991966
STICK TO WINDOWS
>>52995872
oh lmao, thats just OS X, I'm sshd into my machine
>>52993432
>amateurs patching code they don't understand to conform to some arbitrary "standard"
>what could go wrong
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/05/random_number_b.html
>>52995872
>>52993895
$ pacman -Qsq | wc -l
1131
Yesterday I finally caved in and installed jre8-openjdk. I feel somewhat dirty.
>>52991595
>>52993792
>posting you're IP address on the internet
>192.168.0.102
I'm gonna hack your ass
>>52996064
>192.168.0.102
Mine is 192.168.1.205 hack me to
>>52996064
zozzle
>>52996064
Wait a minute... That's my IP adress he tricked you, that is probably a photoshop! don't hack, please.
>>52996103
>CLASS A MASTER RACE
10.10.0.12
Come at me
>>52996177
>>52996177
>10.10.0.12
you dun goofed
>>52996177
Is there any advantage using 10.0.0.0/8 instead of of 192.168.0.0/16?
>>52996287
keystrokes
>>52996309
0.0.0.254
>>52996324
>default gateway is 0.0.0.0
>routes to localhost
>>52996382
>>52996324
>>52996309
>>52996287
>Not using 69.69.69.69:6969
>>52992781
Seems that your problem was systemd.
>>52996622
nice meme
>>52991595
>average arch user
>>52996177
shitty ISPs are known to leak private IPs.
you have been warned
>>52996287
>not knowing the difference between /8 and /16
>>52993508
i loled
>>52991595
I use arch for my main OS and am really new to the whole linux scene. There are detailed instructions of how to get it working properly and a great community that are happy to help problem solve issues that you may have.
Once you get everything set up to your liking you probably won't go back to windows apart from gaming or using a program you can't get through wine
>>52992725
I think he means that the wiki is 10/10
>>52992375
You're missing the point 100%
>>I used Arch for a year, it's not Worth the hassle to use a distro for troubleshooting enthusiasts just to get nerd cred
You mustn't understand how to properly set up a computer then. Arch is fantastic for resource limited environments because you choose what goes in.
>>52991966
Pajeet my son...
arch is shit. arch devs are stupid hypocrites...
>systemd
systemd=redhat=us military
go away pl0x
>>53002842
