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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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No news.
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/wumE7L2f
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
>>52089636
Love you /tpg/ :3
How does this make you feel?
>>52089710
Looks pretty cozy in there.
I usually post the OPs, I didn't do the last 2 but the change of OP image was nice.
Seeing the same /tpg/ image all the time was getting stale, so I've decided to follow suit.
How in the name of fuck do I control the fan on the X60 in Trisquel? I've tried everything google tells me and none of that worked. I asked on the forum and no one was any help.
Halp plz. Next overherat incoming.
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/how-do-i-go-about-controlling-fan-libreboot-ed-thinkpad-x60
>>52089710
Its you. Cozy as ever bb.
>>52089800
>going full freetard
>expecting things to work
>>52089746
It makes me feel like you are an engineer of some kind. 10/10 ingenuity to use a skateboard for that, considering that the grip tape will secure the computer from falling off, even if it gets splashed a little.
posting only good thinkpad ever made
>>52089746
slightly distressed.
>>52089636
Are new ThinkPads worth it? I really can't take the smell of the old ones.
>>52089858
not bad.
>>52089874
i like this meme
>>52089837
Thx bb, you too.
>>52089858
I am going to assume that is a T60, but I honestly can't tell, what an awful image.
>>52089857
eww
>>52089902
Thanks man.
>>52089874
ehhhhhhhhhh
Where should I buy batteries?
Are knockoff brands okay or should I stick to official ones?
>>52089874
Why does everyone talk about the smell? I have not noticed any weird smells with my thinkpads, old or new.
New thinkpads are OK, they are going to be very expensive if you buy them straight from Lenovo, but if you can find them used or on sale on third party sites, it might be a good deal. I know a guy who got a new mid range T450 for less than $500 on sale somewhere.
>>52089987
Most people will tell you to stay away from chink batteries, but if you are not expecting much, a chink 9cell for $35 is a lot more appealing than a new 9cell for $100+. I have had good experiences with the 9cell Anker that I purchased for my X201, but I am sure others will differ.
If you are able to, look for low cycle used batteries on eBay, you may be able to find them for the same price or cheaper than the Chinese batteries.
Also, I am just wondering if anyone here has actually cracked open their batteries and swapped out their 18650 cells for new ones? How did it work? where there any issues with the non-genuine cells?
>>52090104
I got fucked the last time I got cheap batteries. The ultrabay battery I bought for my X300 started at 80% and was down to 60% within a couple weeks. Should I just chance it with cheap shit again?
x220t i5/4gb/120gb ssd for $340 shipped y/n
>>52090151
seems aight. are the rubber tabs next to the keyboard there or gone? i paid about that much for an i5/4GB/500gb HDD with one missing tab
My friend has an L420 Sandy Bridge i5 that I can get cheap, but the guide says to avoid them as they're not as good as the T and X series. What's wrong with them?
I've had a few X series and T400 before, and this L420 seems just as well built and looks like a similar machine.
Should I get it or steer clear?
>>52090145
If you feel like it would be worth it to get the genuine battery, go ahead. I cannot make that decision for you though.
>>52090151
I think you could pay less and get more. $340 is X230t range.
>>52090208
cheaper internals, keyboard, lower specs, less modular for repairs/upgrades. a t420 is like $200 easily, if you can't pay that much for a laptop then you've got other issues and should probably just take what your friend has
>>52090208
L series are made cheaper, and lack the build quality of the T series, but they are not bad machines. Just not awesome.
>>52090243
the keyboard though
Any of you guys use an egpu with a t430 with nvs card? I am looking into it, but I read that you have to disable the nvs card in order for it to work, but I would like to avoid doing that.
>>52090256
I can afford a T420 no problem, just didn't know if this was worth picking up as it's cheap, £70
>>52090268
The keyboard on the X230 is not bad feeling, it just lacks the 7 rows. With the X230t you also get a nicer iGPU and better power consumption.
>>52089923
god-tier R61
>>52090280
>i have to do x to do y
>i would like to do y but not do x
guyss you gotta do x
>>52090290
That is a pretty good price for a ThinkPad, even the L420. You could resell it for more if you don't end up liking it.
Is it worth it buying a ssd? Thinking about x220, live in Europe
>>52090005
It would cost me $900 for a T450 with bare specs.
>>52089898
>>52089966
>>52090005
It's not a meme. They smell and getting rid of the smell is hell.
>>52090268
the keyboard on a tablet computer aka it doesn't fucking matter
>>52090311
Good choice. People hate on the R series, but the R60, R61, and R400/500 are really nice in my opinion. The thicker build and rougher plastic really make it very nice.
>>52090330
Idk mine has never smelled even my old t42 didnt. It smells like fruits right now.
>>52090330
Eh, thats not great. If you can't handle the smell though, you must have other problems, and I don't think those will be fixed by using a newer thinkpad.
>>52090332
:^)
>>52090326
And from where should I buy a x220? And the SSD? I'm looking at eBay
>>52090185
I got him down to $330 fuck why can't I be jewish. Should I?
>>52090326
In a desktop, SSDs are pretty much a meme, all they do it increase boot speeds and data transfers, which are not unbearable on a HDD anyways, and that is rarely worth the huge price hike to get an SSD, but on a laptop they also decrease noise, heat, and power usage, which makes them very worth it.
Anyone have any experience with NVIDIA Optimus? Is it worthwhile or something to avoid?
>>52090386
Get a new SSD, and get a barebones X220 on eBay.
What about the E550?
>>52090402
Nah, pass on that one.
>>52090428
But do I not need some kind of "adapter" to the SSD?
>>52090454
No roll cage, shit build quality, pretty much an ideapad.
>>52090496
No, it just slides in, it is the same size as the regular laptop HDD.
>>52090454
Edge a shit.
Worth it for a T420?
>>52090475
>>52090544
>Bx200
Avoid like the plague.
>>52090544
One of the better SSDs for the money.
70£ for i5 2540M no ram and hdd?
>>52090566
Even for 60 dollars?
>>52090570
>two completely conflicting opinions
G-guys, I know it's not as good as most SSD's, but surely it's miles better than an HDD, no?
So I switched the keyboards between my T410s and my W520 because I liked the feel of the T410s one much better and I use the W520 far more often. I noticed, however, that despite being physically identical, the one that was previously installed in the T410s draws 1 mA while the one that was in the W520 draws 7 mA. I can't even fucking figure out why because they're completely and utterly interchangeable otherwise.
Should I be worried about using the higher current keyboard in the T410s?
>>52090454
We got these at work. Pretty OK all things considered, and as an accountant I appreciate the numpad, but I would not go out of my way to buy one over any other business laptop. They just really have nothing special to offer other than above-average build quality.
What are some good Express Cards things to get for my x230? I'm only finding usb 3.0 ones. Also, are those chink ebay express cards good?
Second question: what are some good software packages for my thinkpad? I know there's some kind of fan control out there, for example.
A good list of thinkpad dedicated osftware would be nice to have on the OP.
>>52090145
Hey how much of a boost were you getting with the ultrabay battery? I have a x301 and I've been debating if it's worth it to get one or not.
Where can I get ram? for x220
>>52090637
If the batteries were at full capacity, I'd get about 5-6 hours from a main battery and 3 hours from the ultrabay, but the shitty one I got is only about 2 hours. Well, it was, but it's even worse now.
If you can get one in good condition they're good, they have about 60% the capacity of an 8-cell main battery.
>>52090544
These completely shit the bed when you're trying to transfer large files- I'm not exaggerating when I say a 7200 RPM hard drive would be faster. Actually, write performance in general is about the same as a 7200 RPM hard drive. Sure you get faster read speeds but honestly it is just terrible.
>>52090614
>7 mA
Wow, it's fucking nothing.
>>52090578
>>52090597
256gb bx200 only has like 3gb of fast cache after that it transfer you data at like 80MB/s. it's the Kingston V300 part 2
>>52090672
God damn what's your setup? I'm getting 3-4 hours on my main battery. This is probably because I'm running linux though.
>>52090681
I'm a lazy consumerist nigger, but willing to get a 128 GB SSD that costs the same if it performs much better. Any reccomendations?
>>52090418
I'm using optimus with the k2100 on the w541 to speed up the adobe shit when I'm not on battery and it rarely ever fucks up (as in shit switches back after coming back from sleep mode - you need to restart the application so it'll use the correct gpu again. this happens like once a month)
It's pretty straightforward: you set a preferred gpu to run a program with (unless there's already a preset for it) or you just override it by 'right click - run with gpu'. perfect for a laptop like the w541 that would drain the 9 cell battery in like a hour using the quadro. it's also completely fanless when using the hd4600
>>52090714
Like I said, those are extrapolated values if I were to have brand new 100% capacity values. As it currently stands I have 4 on the main battery, 2 on the secondary.
I'm using Debian unstable with a customized kernel.
CPU is an L7100 1.2GHz.
>>52090716
Mx200 or bx100 are both fine.
>>52090758
I'm so sorry that you didn't buy a real mobile worksation anon. :^)
Well lads. I ordered an Alienware m14x r2 display to replace my T420 display because several fags on leddit said it'd work. I'm not gonna hold my breath or anything, but I'll post here if it turns out to work alright.
>>52090781
Ah okay that makes sense. Nice to see another x300/301 user, there's less of us every day. Keep trucking my fellow patrician.
>>52090791
I was considering it, but the exact same spec'd precision would have cost me almost twice as much.
lenovo campus deals are unbeatable
>>52090846
good luck on this lad
>>52089704
You're asking the wrong question. Trisquel is Ubuntu-based, find a fan utility that works on Ubuntu and there you go. If you're a free-fag then it might be harder to find a program that complies with your philosophy, but Freedom Isn't Free©
>>52090961
I'm a Poorfag and almost giddy with excitement tbqh. I have another 150ish after that display to upgrade my little beloved friend to my hearts content. Thinking of a 9 cell battery and SSD + ultra bay caddy. Maybe some more RAM if I can squeeze it in my budget.
>tfw I'll finally be able to participate in /dpt/ again
>>52090684
Not compared to 1 mA it isn't.
>>52089636
I am looking for a machine that has the following (or close) specs, if you can recommend a machine please do!
>14" FullHD, IPS or a *really* good TN
>Backlit keyboard (UK if that matters)
>6+ hour battery life
>PCIe/NVMe/M.2 that supports SSD for boot drive
I would like to get as new as possible but keep it to £500 or less. Thanks!
>>52091107
what SSD do you plan to get?
>tfw you find out the thinkpad collection you've been mirin' belongs to a twink
>>52090790
>>52090716
Yeah I have an MX200 mSATA in my T410s which I am quite happy with, the thing is blazing fast even on the old shitty SATA II bus system. I don't remember it being outrageously cheap though, set me back about $100.
>>52091250
If you can take 15", then the 1080p TN panel in the W530 kicks the shit out of a lot of Lenovo's other IPS attempts. You can get one for about 400-500 Britbux if you look around on eBay for a bit, although you may need to buy a UK main cable to run from the power supply to the wall.
>>52089746
BOOSH!
Dunno about the left side, but smart.
>>52089857
So jealous of your eyes, uguu ~
>>52089874
X1C3 is growing on me, but I loved the T430 performance/efficiency. Dunno about the latest ultrabook CPU ThinkPads, but there is hope for the P models... idk about them prices tho.
>typing on a T400 for the first time since ages, holy fuck this keyboard is loud as shit
Forgot how they feel, definitely more comfy then what I'm using.
>>52089987
I haven't had problems with third parties for the most part. I had maybe 4 third party batteries that worked fine, one had failed but it was for an A31p and I believe that was just an old ass battery.
It is best to buy from a seller who has a warranty of some sort, just don't buy third party if you got a Ivy bridge machine or newer.
I don't like 3rd party AC adapters, I don't recommend them at all, OEM/Genuine chargers can be bought for under $20 unless you need a W series unit.
Also I have bought the adapter that uses the regular barrel thinkpad chargers to be used for the rectangle models e.g. T431, X1C3, Twist.
Best eight bucks I spent.
>>52090208
L series are a step above than the Edge series.
I think that model suffers from a bad speaker cable, so it might go out.
Just check how much they get sold for on eBay before buying.
Don't throw a low price, your friendship is always be worth more than money.
>>52090268
Then overpay for a shittier laptop that has ONE advantage which is debatable/opinionated compared to the rest of the pros the X230t offers.
>>52090311
Nice anon, I had good things with mine.
Fuck what people say that they are shit, just as good as a T61.
>>52090330
The 600 smell is great, most medical equipment smelling thinkpad out of them all.
>>52090454
IPS or bust.
They don't have a rollcage so I would maybe consider a consumer laptop with similar specs.
Dem recent Dell shit tier Latitudes seem ok.
>>52090791
>>52090758
Both are great laptops
Though the Dell has a separate fan for the GPU
>>52091250
Elitebook 840 G2.
>>52091290
Thats when I was like 20 and weighed 130 lbs.
I'm now 170 lbs and crying lol
Also I sold a 5:4 770X for $200, got a second one for keeps but might sell that shit as well and hope to get $100 plus, bought four 770 laptops for $60 shipped. The other two aren't anything special... but can be worth more than $30 if I really wanted to sell em.
>T30 prices right now
>being sold more than T4x models which are superior
>>52091429
>770X
>$200
What the fuck?
>>52090208
My brother has an L420 because both he and my dad were too cheap to spring for a T420.
Overall the computer is not bad, but there are a few disadvantages compared to a T-series. Firstly, there is no latch, and the hinges seem to go soft after not that much time. Unless the computer is at a precise angle, the screen will just flop backwards.
The port placement is shit. There is nothing anywhere on the back, no excuse for that; at least the power port should have gone there. USB ports are clustered near the front of the computer like on a consumer laptop.
The keyboard is also only a six-row affair, not a 7-row. Sort of a moot point now that Lenovo has utterly destroyed the old 7-row order, but if you are going to get one of the machines from that generation, why not get the proper keyboard?
Overall the thing would have to be really damn cheap for me to consider it, personally. Like less than $150.
Any of you guys have experience servicing t420 chinkpads here able to help me?
I bought this t420 from my coworker for 100 bucks, worked fine, but the left touchpad mouse button was sticking, and I was seeing tons of dirt and shit under the keys.
So I just took it apart, cleaned a fucking fur coat out of my keyboard, cleaned the shit out of my touchpad buttons, all with 70% isopropyl. Now I put it back in after letting them dry for about 45 minutes
>touchpad button still fucked
>Keyboard doesn't even work, Power button does though, and caps lock and all that shit lights up.
>When xubuntu boots though nothing works
Should I just get a replacement keyboard or do any of you think i fucked up the little header where you plug in the keyboard.
>>52090615
I heard of some chinks doing some stuff to connect an external gpu via an expresscard port, but I am dubious as to how well that worked. If you're the type to give business presentations, you could get one of these to have a portable laser point and clicker for powerpoints: http://www.amazon.com/Presenter-Mouse-Express-Laptops-MG-303-01-002-01/dp/B000UY4YAI/
>>52090791
I don't know how you can stand the other business line laptops. Clits that aren't trackpoints are just so awful....
If it works for you that's cool though.
>>52091366
>So jealous of your eyes, uguu ~
blue-grey eyes are op :P
I'm really jealous of this one girl I know who has the prettiest yellow eyes in which you can stare into for eternity and just get lost. I think that unusual colours of eyes are really cool.
>>52091219
>comparing nothing to nothing
It's probably the microswitches resistances that are different. Nothing more. As I said, literally nothing.
Thinking of upgrading from my X201T.
What's the latest non-shitty X series tablet, X220T?
>>52091558
replace the keyboard, cheap as fuck
>>52091559
I use it docked the majority of the time.
The trackpoint is pretty poor, but still usable. I think by putting the soft dome cap on it, the usability would be vastly improved. You can do the swap on HP machines, but Dell use a smaller trackpoint post so the caps don't fit.
>>52091602
it's not so much cap that bothers me, but the mechanism itself feels worse. I wish that IBM didn't have that original patent so that other companies could have real competition to trackpoints rather than making cheap knockoffs
>>52091581
Do you know if those symptoms are usual?
The keyboard breaking before the power button does?
>>52091625
i guess the keyboard membrane is fucked
i think the buttons at the top are on a different layer though
>>52091523
>There is nothing anywhere on the back
...and that's a good thing.
Anyone has experience with replacing cells in a thinkpad battery with a high-capacity ones (3Ah or more)? Would I need anything besides a soldering tool?
>>52091653
I just hope I don't I don't spend 40-50 bucks on a new keyboard and have have it turn out that I fucked the motherboard somehow.
>>52091750
Not that anon, but keyboards are 10-20 dollars. I doubt you messed up the motherboard. Look at the port where the keyboard plugs in, do any pins look bent?
>>52091669
I disagree. I want the USB, ethernet and whatever other cables to be the fuck out of my way and not taking up usable space on my desk. Going out the back is the best way.
>>52091456
Strictly for collecting man, their prices fluctuate, the market is pretty weird at times.
Heck a 600E got sold for $500 because it came with its original box.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Thinkpad-600E-/151834184522?hash=item235a05cb4a%3Ag%3A34UAAOSw42JWDD2Y&nma=true&si=Ghn3sXIUsgiUsSIJtN%252BH1D9ozwE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Shipping price for this is retarded, but they got away with a PowerPC ThinkPad, and they have sold for $200+ upwards to $900.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Vintage-IBM-Think-Pads-820-Power-Series-Think-Pad-600-for-parts-/331706825040?hash=item4d3b447950%3Ag%3ALJQAAOSwiwVWRWfI&nma=true&si=Ghn3sXIUsgiUsSIJtN%252BH1D9ozwE%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
Yeah, I think I'm going to get $130 or so after fees and shit.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262203179050?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ThinkPad-Laptop-770-series-BUNDLE-OF-4-LOT-770x-770ED-tested-/161913221240?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&nma=true&si=40fOYJV2E70Pa5%252FI9d8QL7roS00%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc
>>52091821
your living space must smell disgusting
>>52091735
>that library
Why did you have to make me feel at this hour, anon?
[spoiler]I want it back so bad...[/spoiler]
>>52091788
Don't see any bent, pins are really long enough to bend, and it does seem the ribbon cables on the keyboards are separate for the power and shit.
Imma let it dry over night completely, just in case and I'll try it in the morning.
I just order by FRU number directly from lenovo right?
>>52091873
It doesn't matter it's gone from the show mate. What counts, is that it inspired tons of cool artwork.
>>52091904
Dont get cucked by lenovo. Just buy a Grade A used one from ebay. You're going to overpay from lenovo because the t420 is out of production. Theres no substantial difference between a Grade A used and a new one.
>>52091558
I just wash my keyboards with sink water and dont use them for two days before reinstalling.
Check the touchpad connector in the palmrest, might of gotten loose.
Maybe the keyboard connector got loose as well?
Idk how to check that thing coz its stuck in there, maybe clean the contacts to the mobo.
>>52091735
Its pretty much impossible, the battery chip gets fucked the second you remove the connection from the cells.
No one on the TP Forum was able to do it since the Pentium models.
>>52091850
They are in their containment box, but I've probably gotten used to the smell.
>>52091821
>Heck a 600E got sold for $500 because it came with its original box.
Oh man, there was a seller on Ebay UK who had a whole stock of NIB 90s thinkpads, going for around £80-£100 each (~$120-$150).
Regret not picking one up for the novelty.
>>52091945
>the battery chip gets fucked the second you remove the connection from the cells
Huh? Why? Is that another type of Lenovo/IBM bullshit like with that BIOS blacklist?
>>52091982
For safety anon.
>>52091944
thanks anon
>tfw I spent 90 minutes picking pajeet pubic hair out of my keyboard only to fucking break it
>>52091946
Damn, wow.
>>52091982
No I don't think so, I think its just how battery technology 'advances'.
>>52091982
because then it won't blow up in your fucking face idiot. you're fucking with batteries. if the battery chip detects anything, it will just flat out short all of the fuses on the battery and become totally unusable so you don't kill yourself.
>>52091982
>fucking around with batteries
>they explode/catch fire
>lenovo gets a whole bunch of shit pr over exploding batteries
>>52092021
just hit up ebay with the fru
>>52092039
760L:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271928781603
310:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251973172299
>>52092073
Wow those are in fabulous condition.
Very worth that price had I been going for that.
>>52090005
My t400 occasionally smells really bad, like a fucked up burning chemical smell. Idk if i should be concerned about it or not.
>>52092251
rusted board?
Some complain about the caddies
Could of just came from a fucked up environment.
>>52092251
I haven't booted up my T400 in a few weeks, I'll have to dig it out and see if I notice any sort of fucked up smells. It could just be the way the computer is.
Oi, if I were to replace the discrete graphics card in my W500 will I still be able to have switchable graphics, or will that be lost, to me?
I find that the stock discrete graphics for this laptop aren't good enough to flawlessly play my online game from 2005 at 1280x768 res, which is the lowest 16:9 res thee game offers and the lowest I'm willing to go, so it's not the best. When I first got this thing I just straight ran dban and reinstalled 7 cause I'd fucked up the graphics drivers the first time, and the second time around only used the ones provided in Windows Update. It gives me switchable graphics, and they work as intended, but I'm wondering if a different discrete graphics card altogether will break it again.
If I can still go into the bios to change from integrated graphics to discrete graphics that'd be well enough, but idk how to check if even that'd be possible. Maybe I'm just dumb. sorry.
>>52092609
>1280x768
>16:9
my b. the game lists it as 16:9 so I forgot it's actually not
Just got my 67+ battery for my X220t. Looking forward to finding out what kind of battery life it's got, I had a lagging 52+.
>>52091945
What about this guy then?
https://hackaday.io/project/245-replacing-lenovo-laptop-lithium-batteries
If you apply "correct" voltage to the circuit the fuse won't blow
Really want to try this on the t420s that I'm going to buy
Ned advice /g/uys looking at the
>T410 NOT the slim
Is it worth the price ?
Should I upgrade anything as the ad says?
http://m.kijiji.ca/laptops/oshawa-durham-region/affordable-lenovo-laptops-windows-7-office-2010-warranty/v?adId=1090371125&ck=CK&from=Search&isTopAd=true&ts=1451194370645
Your input is highly valued. Please assist
>>52093018
go for it
But in all honestly unless you have a spot welder already, there's really no money saved on it.
I mean everyone who wants to replace the cells on the battery are wanting to save money from buying an OEM unit.
>>52093179
Check other canadian prices
but its retardly pricey compared to the T400, a $100 price jump really? Hell even the T400 costs more than the X200, even though they probably cost near the same price when new.
Got the Yoga14 a month or so ago. I'm loving it.
>>52093179
Forgot to mention, the main use will be gaming,
also some porn(streaming)and netflix , youtube and genral low cpu browsing
Is it worth the price for the t410 and should I upgrade any offered deals?
Anyone running linux on an X220 or X230? I'm interested in yourglmark2scores, as I'm considering an upgrade. I'll share the systems I've tested on:
X200 (P8600 c2d @ 2.4 Ghz, GMA 4500, 4Gb DDR3)glmark2 = 297
X201 (i5 540M @ 2.53 Ghz, Intel HD graphics, 4 GB DDR3)glmark2 = 469
Also kinda interested in T-series and W-series as well, feel free to post em.
>>52093198
You can buy them with soldering clips attached. Would cost €32 including postage. Worth the cost I think, especially when the result is a 6-cell 75Wh battery. With durable Panasonics.
>>52093233
$100 is nothing when you're talking duel core vs i5
Anybody have a spare hd+ cable (T420 here) they'd be willing to part with for free or cheap? Broke as shit at the moment and really need it.
@52093459
I wish mods would physically reach through the computer to slap you before permanently banning you. Not even going to give you a (you), hippie
>>52093645
new level of passive aggressive. Nice.
>>52093645
meanwhile on twitter
>>52093282
plz respond
ktgee has some graphs but they use 3dMark06, which is DirectX. Not really sure if there's a linear relationship, we all know OpenGL can be a bit screwy based on drivers etc.
>>52093347
The first gen i5 is not much better than the 3rd gen Core 2 Duo, but sure thing, if you believe its a good deal then go for it.
http://toronto.craigslist.ca/tor/syd/5333406525.html
That is the next best thing I could find, dunno how far you are.
>>52093645
Please don't ever come back.
>>52093282
pic related is my glmark score on my x220
Just bought an x201 2.00 GHz tablet, 4 GB RAM to upgrade to 8 GB total, and a tablet pen (it was not included with the x201) for $150. Did I fuck up? I wanna take notes for class with the pen and do Android dev.
>>52094083
pic related is proof
>>52094129
>>52093282
specs (pic related).
hope this could all help you, the x220 is a perfect machine, :)
>>52094129
Is that the official Raspberry Pi 7" touchscreen? How is it?
Have an x220 with windows 10. How do you guys use middle button as a middle button with synaptics driver? I have trackpad disabled via BIOS and the shit synaptics driver takes away the middle button ability to be actually used as a...middle button. Any work around?
>>52094201
yes it is, its pretty easy to setup, finished the mount and the display connection to board, now I need to connect that board to the rPI, there is this plastic-build-it-yourself case but its a really tight fit and the nylon screws dont hold, so I'm probably going to build a case of my own for it.
My x220 lags slightly when opening file explorer. Have an SSD and 8 gigs of RAM, what can it be?
Also on windows 10. thanks BTW also benchmarked the SSD it runs just as well as when I first bought it
>>52094252
disable trackpad in os, x220 here on linux, works fine for me.
>>52094283
great, I will give that a try thank you!
>>52094280
use linux
>>52094304
by disable in os, i mean enable in bios and then disable via synaptic driver in os, then you still have the middle button functionality.
>>52094306
LMAO, I was expecting this. Not a bad idea at all was planning on it but was giving windows 10 a try since I just bought my x220. Guess its time. Thanks
My dirty baby
>>52094357
good, being serious though, it might be the ethernet drivers, i heard they have fucked up issues on windows, causing the entire system to lag and halt at times.
>>52094359
> shitlet kb
get out
http://x220.mcdonnelltech.com/
I'm just going to leave this here
>>52094149
>>52094129
Thanks, really helpful. I know X230 's are rare but hopefully someone steps up to show just how much of a difference there is between HD 3000 and 4000.
Here's a stallman for your reward. This one's really good when you need to call out some proprietary BS.
>>52094379
Ooh C'mon...
>>52094403
np, yes, the hd 4000 is a tonne better than the 3000 but all i use my x220 for is shitposting and programming so im happy.
also thanks for the rare stallman, :'^)
>>52094345
shit nothing. did I do something wrong?
>>52094568
bruh why did u add a period to the end of that link? all it does it break it.
I'd have never been able to help you no matter what but I was curious and followed your link anyway
Do all x220s have the ips screen?
>>52094601
no, mine came with tn,x220ts come with IPS
Is there a guide to removing the monitor from my x220? I got a new one for Christmas.
>>52094639
there are official "tutorials"(not really tutorials)made by Lenovo somewhere and any idiot on youtube has made a tutorial.
Come on, guy.
>>52094698
Found one on YouTube. Was looking for a text guide like a moron.
Sorry senpai
do you retards ever read the fucking op these days
how do you post in a thread without reading the god damn op
like wtf
Is 230usd a good price for a x220 with an ssd?
>>52094932
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-x220-12-6-Intel-Core-i5-2540M-2-60GHz-No-RAM-No-HDD-Win7ProCOA-/151923737829?hash=item235f5c44e5:g:cWEAAOSw~otWeG4U
$100, buy SSD and RAM separately and you should be able to undercut that while not having to deal with an old used SSD.
>>52090411
since I installed an SSD, I found the fans noisy, is it normal?
>>52095672
No. I have never heard of that happening before. Did your heat increase?
>>52090597
I have the 1tb version.
Can tell it's miles better than a HDD
>>52095772
nope, I checked the heatsinks and they're clean, temps are within the normal range(38C idle, 70C at max load with turbo on).
Or maybe it's just me, i always had laptops with HDD and the disk spinning noise kept me from hearing the fan.
>>52095881
That picture though. Thinkpad on the right, "gaming" laptops and desktops everywhere
>>52095919
>right
I meant left. Fuck me
>>52090758
Hey senpai, similar setup here. Traveling so no wacom tablet, I hope the consumerism tablet and floral mousepad are a worthy substitute.
I have the K1100 in mine but never use it, Intel works well enough and I don't use Adobe software.
Will an X230 be a better alternative to a T430 for a cs student who already has a desktop and just wants to work sometimes on the go for school?
Been tinkering with my new T60, just wondering if it's not unusual for these things to get pretty darn warm at the fan vent. Anyone had similar experiences? This would be my first thinkpad.
>>52095952
T60 fan is shit. Replace with T500 fan ASAP.
>>52095887
Well that is strange. Maybe it is just your ears.
>>52095949
Yeah, the battery life and portability of the X230 is much more convenient than the T430, and even the T430s.
>>52090544
trash. it uses TLC NAND and has half the life of an ssd that costs 10 bucks more. i personally have a sandisk ssd plus which im happy with although the 850 evo is really what you want.
>>52095952
ATI or Intel graphics? What OS?
ATI is housefire-tier. Full stop. I could never cool it off under Linux but in XP/7 if you installed ATI's CCC software, you could turn down the GPU clock speed.
Look into PHC (Linux) or RMClock (Windows). It's a lot of reading, but you can undervolt that C2D processor and get better temps and battery life. GPU would still run hotter under Linux but you could take some of the workload off the cooling system by turning down the CPU temps. RMClock is infinitely easier to configure.
>>52095990
This is also good advice from a hardware angle.
>>52095990
>>52096187
Alrighty, thanks anons.
>>52090846
You could have just ordered a generic screen that worked with the t420.
It would have cost $50 on amazon.
Does this config for a t450s look alright?
will switch out the hd for a 512 ssd i have
$1,745.10
>>52096526
Wait for the retro.
>>52096443
vs $56 for the alienware screen
https://jet.com/product/detail/b8ae514c700249ed9ff054e5f6681190?jcmp=pla:ggl:electronics_a2:electronics_accessories_computer_components_laptop_parts_a2_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&k_clickid=7a5f752d-d0a7-4f98-8428-ff8f18462ec8&gclid=CjwKEAiAtf6zBRDS0oCLrL37gFUSJACr2JYbNmbp-JL7rOIpslUKOUH-UF7G0XniY3HdsmuObUdMpBoCxiXw_wcB
i think it's worth $6 to be done with TN panels personally senpai
>>52096541
need it for school in jan, can't wait that long
>>52095929
Right to mostly everyone who is there, I see why you made that mistake.
>>52094379
How about you get the fuck out
Power/Efficiency over aesthetics. Thats all it is you're complaining about anyways.
I've yet to see a real ThinkPad keyboard being posted in this thread.
Because the majority would not want to use a real IBM laptop for daily tasks.
>>52094118
Sounds good to me anon.
>>52096553
Is that IPS?
You're gonna catch a lot of flak for that screen being glossy, but personally I prefer glossy.
Goddamn the T420 monitor sucks.
>>52095952
>>52096187
Install TLP and Thinkfan. That's what I did and my T60p is running nice and cool.
What is better screen for outdoor usage TN or IPS?
>>52096698
Thinkfan (Linux) or Thinkpad Fan Control (TPFC - Windows) are a given. Always nice to be able to set your own thresholds for heat vs noise.
TLP is a nice one-stop-shop for a lot of power management controls but I can't recommend undervolting enough, it made a huge difference for me. TLP config even has a place to drop your PHC values in.
>>52096864
IPS.
>>52096864
You want the brightest matte screen you can get, irrespective of IPS or TN.
>>52096864
holy shit that's not comfy at all.
Are there any fucking HD+ cables on amazon? I thought that I was just being retarded at first but I seriously cannot find one for the life of me. T430 by the way, if that matters.
>>52096646
Who gives a shit? The T420 screen is absolute garbage and I hardly ever use my shit outdoors, making glossy vs matte pretty irrelevant.
>>52097250
I still like glossy too. I can't see any documentation saying that panel isn't TN though. Gaymers would prefer TN in an Ayylienware for the refresh rate I think.
At any rate good luck and be sure to take pictures. I want to see a heretical glossy screen T420 and lol at the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
![think_vantage_button[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/q75ksiy.jpg "think_vantage_button[1].jpg")
How do I make this piece of shit do wacky stuff like play sounds or open a specific application?
It currently does nothing.
On a T420 running Windows 7
>>52097556
You can probably do it with Sharpkeys. There may be other preferred methods though.
>>52097556
>Windows 7
im opening cool old term with it
you can bind it like any other key on a proper OS
Figured it out for any other fellows wondering how to do this!
>Run regedit
>Find HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\IBM\TPHOTKEY\8001
>If you can't find 8001 (like I couldn't), create a new key under TPHOTKEY and name it 8001, the make a new string file called File
>Under File, change the value data to your desired .exe file path WITHOUT quotes (ex C:\Windows\system32\calc.exe)
I can't open notepad without it asking me to create some sort of file under system32, but that's a problem for another day I guess.
>>52097635
Thanks for the tip! I did some research and I don't think Sharpkeys is compatible with hardware buttons like this. It's a cool program though!
>>52097854
Thanks for being helpful and not passive aggressive or meme-y in the slightest! I hope you enjoy your day you greasy fucking cunt.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Lenovo-Thinkpad-X220-12-5-Notebook-Intel-Core-i5-2540M-2-6GHz-No-HDD-RAM-/201490799313?nav=SEARCH
>>52097854
>cool old term
Whoa. A linux app that actually looks GOOD. Shit.
>>52098825
>app
HyperX Fury 120gb, 60€
>>52098834
You 8 that b8 m8
I'm thinking about getting an egpu deal for the x220 just for shits and giggles since I have all the required components. Which dock should I get? I was looking at this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B013P0T97G
>>52097556
with debian/ubuntu use tpb
>>52090418
Got W530 with Quadro K2000M. Werks under
windows without flaws, but under Linux it sucks
with the W530 since dhe miniDisplayPort is
hardwired to the discrete card. Meaning you
have to switch to discrete graphics in bios to run
external monitor. Still don't know if any other
models have the same issue though
>>52090544
got 120gb version and it shit the bed after a month (only a solid 18 hours of on time, mind you) for which I got a refund then replaced with an 850 evo 240gb and have been enjoying for a good 6 months now
the thing used to crash after 5 minutes of being in windows 7 (like some kind of weird system hang) and the ssd would whine once hung. tried in various systems with multiple windows installations, no dice
tl;dr
idk mine broke so na
Hey guys!
My current situation right now revolves around privacy, and leaving no footprints. I'm using Tails on my machines right now, but I'm interested in the most "secure" Thinkpad, one that is durable and lightweight. Can easily be carried place-to-place, and could potentially be upgradeable (display/ram wise)
There any models that meet my needs? I'm looking at some T60's right now since one without a HDD is only 20 bucks, and I don't even need a hard drive since I run everything off external storage.
Budget usually isn't a problem, but ideally I'd like to spend the least amount of money possible since I will only be doing coding, surfing the web, etc. Privacy is the number one factor, though. I essentially want an impenetrable fortress, and Thinkpads seem to be my best option right now. I currently have a T510, which is great, but it's bulky as shit and I really don't need all this screen space.
>>52096526
EPP discount
>>52099556
Update: Now I'm looking at the X60 or X60s. Is it worth it to get one of the cheap <50 ones on ebay and just buy all the stuff it's missing?
>>52099762
They got so little ram
>>52099762
I would buy a X61, not sure much more
I'm looking to try the eGPU scene out.
I have an X220, and I already have a spare psu and 660Ti graphics card.
Am I supposed to get the PE4L v2.1b or this PE4C v2.1 I keep seeing? Is there a difference?
Is there a better one out there instead?
I'd appreciate a guide/some info on this, and where to buy them.
Also what small cases are good to buy for this, and will it work with a docking station too?
>>52099988
Yeah, that is one of the things that stands out the most to me.
I remember getting a refurb X60t (or X61t, can't remember) that was 32-bit, and I hated the fact that I couldn't go beyond 2gb ram. Ended up selling it a long time ago, don't remember too much else about it. Had it for like 3 days.
Do all of the X60/X61's suffer from this?
>>52100068
just get a x200
>>52100026
I remember wanting to get into that scene a while back, there was something called ViDock I was looking into but I'm sure you want to do it DIY.
You may still be able to get some good information just from their explanations and shit.
http://www.villageinstruments.com/tiki-index.php?page=ViDock
>>52100068
x61's support more ram, x60t did only support 2gb so I guess you had a x60t. I would say that you should buy x61
>>52100089
Webcam is undesired, and it appears to have a bunch of GPS shit in it, too.
Remember, I'm this guy: >>52099556
>>52100140
Oh, sweet, thanks. I'll look into the x61's now.
>>52100148
You should get a thinkpad with libreboot, because you can't never trust closed source bios
>>52100155
And 1 more thing check this site:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:Models
What the fuck, I just came across an X30. I've never even heard of this before. It's not in any of the Thinkpad lists I'm looking at or anything.
>>52100164
I was planning on installing libreboot myself, preinstalled systems are usually marked up significantly.
>>52100177
Thanks, man. I'm familiar with thinkwiki but not this specific section, I'll definitely look through this.
>>52100095
ViDock looks pretty great, could even fit inside a bag, I'm gonna look into this a bit more. Some guy on youtube used the same gpu as mine, an ASUS 660Ti, and it didn't fit in the case, but he said there's a larger ViDock available or something
>>52100199
What "list" are you using?
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X30
>>52100287
Yeah, I'm retarded, saw that just after I posted.
>>52100249
Yeah, it looked really good when I was checking it out a few years back, but you could build one yourself for a fraction of the cost. If you're good at DIY shit, you could build your own little case for it and everything. I saw some dude who made one with a cardboard box, but I highly recommend against that for obvious reasons.
>>52100359
Vidock is a bloody ripoff. I spent too long looking at videos and tutorials before the actual price itself. It's 3 times the cost of a one of those PE4L things, just because it includes a case as well.
Imma DIY this, so I'll be looking into small cases, or if I should just use my uni to build a small case myself out of some thick wood or something
>200 dollars for an ExpressCard/54 adapter
>>52100403
Yep, exactly. Good luck!
>>52100148
>Webcam is undesired, and it appears to have a bunch of GPS shit in it, too.
then unplug the webcam
and take out the mobile broadband card
I have a T420s which I love but the screen is really getting to me now. What is a 14-15" laptop (dell, hp are fine also) with a beautiful screen and backlit keyboard?
I don't realy care about much else desu.
My dad wants to get an used ThinkPad for work, since he drives to clients a lot and having a sturdy laptop would really be helpful.
Is that a good choice?
>>52100771
yes
>>52100771
how technical is your dad?
used thinkpads are good but they do carry the risk of suddenly dying, unless you get one that still has the next day business warranty.
>>52089746
warm and happy
>>52089746
jelly
>>52090411
>not knowing about IOPS and seek time
anon, I'm dissapoint
>>52090544
nah, get at least MX version
>>52090615
next to usb 3.0, i saw som dvb-t tuners from HP and that other anon mentioned MoGo mouse (that actually has two vesrions - presenter or media control), but I gotta tell you it looks better than it works (maybe I'm just not used to it thou, it arrived just week ago)
I thought it be meme, but really, putting even plastic dummy in slot helps in sturdiness
>>52094252
>>52094443
pic related is Win7 way, touchpad is off in bios
>>52094639
you're looking for hardware maintenance manual, search for HMM [your model no. here] and you should be set
>>52095672
you hear fan more cuz its noise isn't blocked/supressed by drive
>>52097556
what >>52098165 says
>>52099179
I read somwhere you should avoid EXP and go with little more expensive PE4L (or PE4C, not sure), cuz of some kind of signaling not working on EXP
>>52100026
don't waste your time here and go read techinferno forums, everything is there
>>52094384
thx
>>52094252
>>52094252
>>52094252
>>52094252
Don't listen to those guys, just add this in your startup folder.
>http://users.v-lo.krakow.pl/~mwrobel/programs/tpmiddle.html
>>52100631
There is an option for a FHD IPS screen with additional circuit board
forum.thinkpads.com/viewtopic.php?t=118070
what are people's opinions on the T440p?
What the fuck is the point of the ThinkVantage button?
>>52101416
decent machine if you do the trackpad swap + have 1080p screen
I got a T520, but it has german keyboard.
Can I replace that shit in some way?
Has anyone used a HDD docking station on their thinkpads?
T420 doesn't have a USB 3.0 port so... I don't know if USB 2.0 works okay with hard drives.
I can't find a cheap one with eSata.
>>52089710
Jealous of your snow
>mfw no comfi winter wonder land
>>52101741
I used one just fine on an old Dell with USB 2. I have a T420s with an i7 so it has USB 3.0 as well which works just fine.
For a 2.5" drive all the USB 2 and 3 ports power it just fine. For 3.5" you will need a powered docking station but it will work just fine
