>Americans won't understand this piece of technology
i use my right hand for holding a beer, what the fuck would i want _that_ in my car for?
>yfw automatic is botnet
>>52069805
Paddle shifter master race reporting in. If it's good enough for F1, it's good enough for me.
r means Really fast
>>52069816
Jesus how much do you shit post underscore guy?
>>52069816
>he cant drive with no hands
i primarily drive manual
i remember a sticker thread on >>>/o/ and there was one that said "Extinct Species" with a shift knob in the middle. It looked like an ISIS flag and i want that sticker
I'm European and I absolutely hate stick.
>>52069805
American here, I've only owned manual vehicles
I can't drive automatics, I prefer shift tbqh
Ive only driven a manual car with no hassle but i dont know why would someone prefer it over an automatic.
Maybe for doing sounds with their mouths while changing gear?
>tfw europoor
>tfw almost forced to drive manual because glorious self shifting technology isn't widespread here
Manual transmissions are car fedoras. You're such representatives of the a past halcyon era because you drive a manual Honda Civic.
>>52070090
>slav detected
Yeah right because sticks are superior technology.
>>52070090
topkek
2 of 4 cars I had in the 20 year span were automatic.
>>52069830
All cars are botnet anon
>>52070283
modern cars are, 90's shitboxes aren't
>>52070064
other than "muh performance" ?
I have a manual that my parents gave me when they got a new car (2001 model). when they got it it automatic was an extra-cost option (it still is on low-end cars I think) and they saved a couple hundred bucks. Also got like 2mpg more than the auto, if I recall. I think modern automatics have closed the gap though.
also when it's snowy it's nice to be able to use the next-higher gear than you normally would.
>>52070110
I dont drive a civic and it is superior IMO. In the snow my auto would freak out at the slightest wheel spin, manual gives you more control and is cheaper.
manual-fags are the audiophiles of the auto world :^)
>with manuals its like having a connection with the car
>cvts are slow, "slushy", unsure, laggy
>autos are an unfulfilling and dead experience
>>52069805
Joke's on you, I drive a stick shift every day.
What Americans actually don't understand is the bizarre German system where reverse is the upper, left position. I think you have to push down on the gearshift to get there?
>Europoors won't understand this piece of technology
>>52070435
I think that's mostly just in VW's, and not all of them.
>>52070492
I got that exact same knife in my drawer.
>>52070493
Is it? My only experience with it was when I went to look at a used GTI. I test drove it and almost got stuck because I needed to turn around and it didn't look like I had enough room. I couldn't figure out how the hell you get into reverse, so I ended up swinging a little wider and barely made the U-turn without falling into a ditch. :-)
Neat car, but they were going for way too much money on the used market. Bought a Grand Cherokee instead. Loved that V8.
>>52070492
What the fuck is it?
The biggest benefit of manual is to prevent idiots (to a degree) from using their phone, eating or doing shit not meant to be done in the driver's seat.
You can still do it with manual, but you'll more than likely be in a very low gear and won't be able to make a turn unless you're in 2nd
>Indians won't understand this piece of technology
>>52070274
>2 of 4
>not 1/2
>not 50%
>not "half
:^)
The only reason eurocucks don't use automatic is because they're too poor to afford it
>>52070566
>won't be able to make a turn unless you're in 2nd
What kind of finicky piece of shit do you drive?
>>52070626
no, fatfuck
real drivers use manual gear.
you are a fat fuck and can't even drive properly.
step up negroid malformed driver
>>52070597
jej
>>52070604
Fraction doesn't give you the full picture.
>>52070665
found the butthurt yuropoor
>>52070626
But manuals are more expensive.
>>52069951
Unless it's black of course
>>52070689
not in yurop
>>52070665
>real drivers use manual gear.
No Real (Scottsman) driver fallacy detected.
>>52070695
or brown
>>52070640
A 1700 year old city doesn't have very wide angled streets to corner comfortably, you need to drop to 10km/h a lot of times.
>>52070566
AHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
no, i use my phone while driving (even if i feel slightly guilty) and even with the stick it's easy, just need a bit of coordination
i even used my phone to chat on my (manual) motorbike once, that was quite hard desu
My car has paddle shifters.
>>52070742
Does that make you proud or something?
>>52070742
Just clutchless shift ezpz
>>52070742
That's awful, please think of others and your own safety.
The only excuse to pick up a phone while driving is to check if your family is dead.
My dad wouldn't let me drive a automatic until I mastered a manual.
Thank you dad.
>>52070766
no, i was just pointing out that's possible and in the old world we do it a lot
>>52070770
the problem with chatting while driving on a motorbike is not the clutch, that's something i used to do even when i was driving safely, the problem is that (at least for me) the bike goes where i look at and if i look at a screen i kinda lose control
>>52070788
or change the song i'm listening
or check whatsapp to see where i have to go
>>52070626
Just a reminder for the americans, your opinion is worthless because you can't drive a manual properly. Europeans can drive both so their opinion is valid.
I think the main reason Europoors fawn over manual so much is because they see driving as some kind of complicated luxury. In the US everyone owns a car and everyone drives their car pretty much every day. They throw a license at you at age 16 after a few quick tests and off you go.
Meanwhile Europoors are expected to go to driving school and pay thousands in fees in order to get licensed. Not to mention the insane gas prices they have to deal with. Right now gas is about $0.51/L where I live.
>>52070872
Also taxes. You know that great value proposition that the Mustang GT is in the US? Have a look at this shit.
We've got this weird situation in the Balkans where we:
Run away from automatics like the plague
Can drive like fucking rally drivers but don't want to since fuck you shithead I ain't wasting that kinetic energy needed to give a signal light on your ass.
Only drive properly when we're transporting fragile goods or someone else.
I thought it was a joke at first when I heard from older people. but after a few years of driving myself it ended up true.
>>52070376
Auto burns through gas more quickly anon. That is a very good reason to keep manual.
>>52070912
Except modern automatics are superior to manuals in every way except weight.
I don't give a fuck.
>>52069881
driving with no hands is illegal
>>52070912
The gas mileage is negligible nowadays, but control is something manual will always have and that's really important when there's ice everywhere.
>>52070038
this to be sincere relative
Automatic is awkward as fuck.
>>52070904
150k in Norway.
Plus gas is equivalent to ~$7 to the US gallon.
>>52070904
Nobody would even consider a Mustang here, just like nobody in America would consider an Alfa.
>>52070872
>some kind of luxury
lol no, at least in italy public transportation is a joke, everyone must drive or he stays back
>>52070904
that's because we don't like american cars so we don't import them, we have european cars, asian cars (cheap and tiny, girly) and those cars with an american brand but actually produced in europe (now even more since half of the american brands are owned by fiat)
>>52070597
kek
>>52070924
>>52070936
[citation needed]
>>52070274
automatic is for faggots.
>>52070566
you sure never went to europe don't you ?
>>52070992
Manuals are for mega faggots
>there's people in /g/ that can't tell why automatic is shit
seriously ? on all the thread no one ?
>>52070872
That's probably the reason why none of you can drive, even ignoring manual.
>>52071026
*manual
>>52070566
>Not just starting in 2nd so you don't have to shift when driving around residential areas
Manual: good for racing, having fun, braking.
Automatic: Good for daily driving, especially in traffic.
>>52070872
>>52070924
>>52070936
People who are this dumb wouldn't pass the driver's license test in my country. I bet that's why our traffic is so smooth. I don't have a burning desire to travel abroad on my holidays and it's a good thing for my health. I won't get killed in traffic since they don't just give you a license when you want one here. Actually there are foreign people who come to use our driving schools to get a better understanding.
>>52069881
>implying you can hold the wheel with knees while using left foot for clutch and right for brake and accel
Confirmed for automatic americlap
>>52071093
>He doesn't have a mouth
>>52070961
>Half of the american brands
No, just Chrysler.
That's pretty much 1/3rd, if that.
>still driving vehicles with gears
>>52071146
Fuck electric cars until new battery technology shows up that doesn't require you to have 2000kg of battery onboard to get 500km
>>52071146
>>52070680
>you'll have more control
>get better gas mileage
Pretty sure the former isn't true, and certainly the latter isn't true, with new whatchamacallit auto transmissions (DCT?) and paddle-type shifting.
>>52070872
>$0.51/L is insane
Here in Australia petrol is currently $1.24/L, which is quite low. Not long ago is was above $1.60.
Unless you're talking about LPG.
>>52071139
They're aiming at Ford and GM
>>52071093
>being a manlet
>>52071146
>still thinking tesla is the future meme
top kek Tesla is like the Apple of cars. Overpriced shit tech. Next year Daimler and BMW will blow tesla into orbit with actual cars that don't burst into flames as soon as you hit the brakes.
>>52070936
This, control is important.
I'd never go out bush in an auto.
>>52069816
>i use my right hand for holding a beer,
Enjoy getting shot by cops, because you broke the law.
In yurop gas is expensive, but I must admit the difference is smaller than I thought.
>>52069805
i have never driven an automatic before. not american though. there fore i can't establish an oppinion, but the whole idea of not being in control of something as simple as the fucking gear you are goin in is just retarded, and all in the name of "comfort" and its fucking terrifying that there are people on the road that can't even drive a manual.
if you can't operate a car, you should not be driving at all.
>Live in America
>Cars a basically a necessity because public transport is shit, and outside of cities nonexistent because the country is fuckhuge
>Cities have pretty huge fucking amounts of traffic, some of the larger ones are gridlocked from sun up to sun down.
>Because of this, most people preferred automatic, and still do to this day because it's tiring to drive a manual in heavy traffic for a few hours twice a day
>Most people obey rules and regulations, the road network is logically set up and was designed around automobiles
>Visit yurope
>Everything is a fucking nightmare
>Pedestrians don't even bother with cross walks, they just walk as they please in the street like it's fucking Africa
>Most roads east of Berlin are worse than Detroit's roads, most rural roads are shitty gravel roads
>Cities weren't designed with transportation in mind, you can't drive a wide or low car without scraping the bottom or having to inch through tight-ass spots with pedestrians fucking EVERYWHERE
>EVERYBODY parks on the fucking street because parking garages are basically nonexistant
>Many sidestreets, instead of being a sensible 4 lane, are 3 lane where the shoulders are reserved for shitters who park their car in the street
>The governments hate the idea of self autonomy so you are taxed to hell and back if you even think about owning an automobile, god forbid if it isn't some 4banger shitbox either.
>The only place where it isn't 100% shit all the time to drive is the Mediterranian region around Nice, most of rural Italy and some of rural France
If you aren't rich, Europe is so fucking shit to live in. Especially if you are a gearhead.
>>52071146
Why are cars still power hungry pieces of shit
Leaving the car to run on battery when doing basic shit like defogging or radio will fucking drain it in a matter of minutes even though the battery weighs a fucking ton. Just making a car run on a fuckhuge battery for driving sounds awful. When will cars be as optimized as phones and laptops in fucking standby and usage
>>52071212
Semi-auto transmission isn't quite as efficient in gas as manual transmission.
>>52071334
Also you can't fucking turn on red ANYWHERE in Europe. What the fuck is up with that? Who the hell came up with the road regulations in that shit continent?
>>52071334
Keep in mind Europe can't be generalized as a whole. Each country is very different.
>people this mad at automatic
Just wait within the next decade when self-driving cars become mainstream. It's already been proven to be safer than actual human drivers, funnily
>>52071326
>Y axis starts at 16
Whoever made that graph needs to be shot
>>52069805
We shift by clicking under our steering wheels u casual enthusiast.
>>52070665
>needs to justify his driving experience based off of how his gears are changed
>needs to justify his driving experience at all
>>52071382
/o/ ON SUICIDE WATCH
>>52071382
Better than shit drivers, that's for sure.
I got nothing to worry about though.
>>52070936
>implying modern "manual" gearboxes are not just drive by wire
>implying you actually switch gears and not just trigger a ECU command
>implying you can actually control torque or power using manual gearboxes
>implying you have driven a real manual gearbox in the last 20 years
>>52071367
yes you can, and mostly because of bicycle lanes, or crossing straight lanes
>>52071418
What are you implying when you don't even know the age of my car?
>>52071212
Faux-shifting in automatic gear boxes is less efficient than leaving the car in full-auto, at least in my experience.
>>52071392
>"we"
>posts german car
No, WE drive manual
>>52071386
Do you like this better?
>>52071418
>>implying you actually switch gears and not just trigger a ECU command
That's objectively the best way to do it, other than using a cvt, since that way you can control the gear you are in with minimal effort to shift.
>>52071444
manualfags BTFO
>>52071378
This.
I do believe this is a misconception by the population of USA.
>>52071361
>Semi-auto transmission isn't quite as efficient in gas as manual transmission.
That's just not true anymore.
Go look at the mpg numbers on some new cars. The DCT will usually be higher.
DCT functions much like a manual transmission with automatic shifting. Traditional automatics were less efficient due to 1) transmitting power via viscous coupling (hence typically having a lock-up in top gear) and 2) having fewer gears. Modern DCTs address both issues.
>>52071378
If Eastern Europe wasn't one big slum, it'd blow Western Europe out of the fucking water in terms of enjoyability of owning a car.
It also isn't moronically overinflated via taxes and regulations over there. Western Europe is overrated as hell I find unless you are used to say New York's cost of living.
Mediterranian coastal towns are nice because rich Englishmen vacation there and they really are a paradise, but everything costs as much as you'd expect from a vacation paradise consistently visited by rich Tories.
>>52071427
>Bicycle lanes
Bicycles are for fags and bicycle lanes are fag enabling practices.
>>52071418
Why do you believe that shift by wire manual transmission is not manual transmission? Why is it important that there must be a direct mechanical linkage between the clutch pedal and transmission?
>>52071445
True, but this other anon still thinks that his shifting actually moves parts in the gearbox which is retarded beyond help.
>>52070344
Traction control != Automatic transmission.
Don't be (such) a retard...
Ones go for control, the others go for convenience.
No wonder you Americans love getting buttraped by large corporations and don't give a shit about all those retarded 'intellectual property protection' laws, you simply don't care, or are really stupid, but since nodody can possibly be stupid enough to let others do everything for them, you're just lazy and apathetic, which is far worse than stupidity.
>>52071432
>Faux-shifting in automatic gear boxes is less efficient than leaving the car in full-auto, at least in my experience.
I was addressing the two separate issues, not saying that one was related to the other.
Paddle shifting on a modern DCT gives you as much control as a manual. Leaving it in auto gives you better MPG than a manual.
>>52071504
It's almost as bad as Europeans coming to America expecting to see everything in a week.
>>52071524
Because that fuckface implied that he's able to control and feel the car better, while in reality it is impossible because he has no physical connection between his shiftstick and his gearbox. A lot of manual fags still believe that horse crap, but unless you drive a original 1960s car, you don't have a direct physical connection between clutch, gears and shift stick.
>>52071524
Not GP, but if you're not moving the linkage and operating a clutch, you're not operating a manual transmission.
There is no point in trying to conflate paddle shifting with "operating a manual transmission". If someone asks if you can drive manual and you say yes, you'd damned well better be able to operate a clutch and a floor-mounted shifter. Bonus points for being able to operate a column-mounted manual shifter found on some really old vehicles.
Pray tell, what do you need the so-called "control" for? Concrete use cases, please. Honest question, I'm not a driver myself and for me this seems just like an another "CLI VS GUI" debate.
>>52071334
since our countries are usually not 2 days old like the whole USA and we are 200 milions people more in half the space (talking about the EU) it may happen that our cities are built with less space for heavy vehicles.
>>52071558
That's cool. I just wanted to say paddle-shifting doesn't lead to the same fuel economy as leaving it in auto.
>>52071592
So a shift by wire transmission has no clutch pedal?
>>52069816
You should use your right hand for handling the fucking wheel you irresponsible YOLO nigger. Good luck swerving with one hand.
No, actually, keep driving with one hand until you kill yourself.
>>52069904
>car stickers
Are you younger than 20 or older than 40? Fuck off back to Reddit.
>>52071632
Some do, some don't.
This is now a EU vs USA thread!
Let's start the WW3!
#EUside
>>52071603
You know what country has just as old cities and yet isn't 100% shit to own a car in?
Japan.
You don't have an excuse for your shitty roads. How about you tear down some of those shitty, hazardous housings that plague Western Europe's urban areas and move on instead of justifying your dangerously aged, poorly designed cities with "m-muh culture"
Technology advances, but the majority of Europe's head is so far up it's own ass that it refuses to change with the times. Because god forbid you stop lamenting over feudal times that are long irrelevant, you'd see that when Germany got rid of Bauhaus you completely stopped being a culture powerhouse.
Fucking AFRICA has embraced the march of technology more than Europeans have. That's just fucking shameful.
>technology that is outdated
>HAHA DUMB AMERICANS ENJOY YOUR NO CONTROL LOL
>>52071667
Fuck off, cunt. I'm European but I love me some Mustang, burgers and guns.
>>52071632
The only such system I've heard of (i.e. paddle-shifting, but also a clutch) was a Ferrari "semi-automatic" where you had to use the clutch to get going in first gear, then you could just paddle shift after that.
I think that was the late 1990s or early 2000s.
>>52071680
Listen Fat Shill.
Driving a car means to manually change the gear.
Fat fucks who "drive" with non-manual gear technology just get a shitty driving experience. period.
now get the fuck out, shill
>>52071337
> as optimized as phones
Mega top fucking kek, are you serious? These festering piles of shit can't get their battery to last more than one day even if all you do is upvote epick memes on Facebook.
>>52069805
Why the fuck is your reverse on the wrong side?
>>52071748
You just proved
>>52070872 right
Not everybody drives for a "driving feel", many American drivers don't even like driving. We actually have cars for a purpose, not just to do hektik skidz in our shitboxes.
>>52071748
How the fuck am I a shill?
Manual transmission is depreciated, deal with it.
>>52071679
this is not a millenary city
>>52071792
Generally, gearboxes are deprecated, be it manual or automatic.
You're both clinging to obsolete technology.
>>52071689
That stuff is sort of common in a few lorries these days. Clutch control for articulated maneuvers and automatic for the other 16 gears.
Anyway, manual gear sticks and clutches are still are hydraulic/linkage to the gearbox. The electronic systems are semi-auto and called that for a reason. I've only driven a fairly early smt audi A8 and it was a slow piece of shit, taking almost a full second to change gear, but paddle shift was nice regardless. Automatic with no option to override the gears is the worst thing though.
>>52071786
>many American drivers don't even like driving.
Also, there's a difference between "driving" and commuting.
Yeah, I'd like a fun, quick, nimble, firm-riding sporty car for coastal road trips and blasting through canyons. But I'd be perfectly happy in a Prius if I'm just putting along surface streets and gridlocked freeways on my way to work.
I look forward to the day when I can nap or read while my car drives me to work on most days, then enjoy riding my motorcycle in relative safety on the weekends.
>>52071679
>>52071800
this is, and we can't destroy it, we have to deal with problems that come with it
>>52071800
Wow good jaaab one of your largest cities isn't shit.
Europe deserves a medal for being so with-it!
>>52071845
that's tokyo you dumb fuck not paris
>>52069844
You know what else is good enough for F1?
No air-conditioning and no roof.
>>52071839
>We can't destroy it
Why not?
You do realize even older buildings existed before those, right? How many pre-history sites do you think were ripped apart so major cities could be built on top of them? Stop being so sentimental about old buildings and tear them down. Document them if they mean so much to you, or uproot them and move them to some remote wilderness so you can build a museum of them. Don't try to justify the cramped, suboptimal city planning with muh culture.
Who gives a shit, semi's are going to automatic
>>52071866
I didn't say it was paris moron. You think that just because it has a scaffold tower that people assume it's Paris?
Please go out and see the world instead of shitposting on a foreign imageboard.
>>52071679
I forget where it is, but I want to say it's Japan, where they needed to put in a new fly-over connecting two major roads/highways. It needed to go right where a building already was. Instead of knocking the building down, they ran the enclosed road *through* the building. It's pretty fucking cool.
Also, I loved walking around Tokyo and seeing the innovative, brilliant infrastructure. Like, suddenly, a highway would appear out of the ground, allow turn-offs to surface streets, then go up in the air and around a curve. Plus really neat rubber-mounted isolation, and enclosure along the sides and curved inward at the top, trapping a huge part of the noise created by passing cars. Neat stuff.
Plus, watching the bullet train cruising in to the switching yard for the night. This fucking super fast train could cruise along at low speeds through a residential neighborhood with less noise than an American diesel pickup.
Compare that to America, where the fucking freight trains clatter and rumble through at all hours of the night, blasting their fucking horn a mandated number of times (with no specification of length of the blast, so I've literally heard a train lay on the horn for 20 seconds non-stop) at EVERY road crossing[1]
[1] since 2007. There were some morons killed, hit by trains. Instead of telling morons to stop being morons, the federal train regulators just mandated this obnoxious honking at every intersection unless there's a rare quad-gate, where both directions on both sides are gated!
>>52071875
If it's good enough for LMP1, it's good enough for me.
:^)
>>52071800
Concrete jungles are disgusting, I went to my country' capitol after 7 years, it looks like someone dropped down a Western Europe metropolis there, to think what these shits are doing to a city with 2000 years of history, I felt physically ill.
These cities might be convenient, but they sure as fuck aren't happy or warm to live in.
>>52071893
we'll talk about this 1000 years from now when flying cars will be the norm and you'll refuse to destroy the NY skyline even if it's not optimal for flying traffic. assuming your buildings will last this long.
seriously this is the most stupid thing i heard this week, probably this month
>>52070597
actually Indians INVENTED toilets. you better start paying your respects, india will be a superpower by 2020, fucking son of bastards
>>52071951
>they sure as fuck aren't happy or warm to live in.
I pity you if you feel this way.
Nothing is as comfy as an urban sprawl. If I were given the opportunity, I would cover every inch of the earth in a sprawling urban zone of towering skyscrapers, moving the farms underground.
nothing is more pathetic than someone who thinks just because their piece of shit underpowered car is manual that means they somehow are an enthusiast or are better because of it
>>52071988
Thankfully that won't happen, as one from a country with no history or culture, you really don't have to force your jewish-empowering capitalism ideas on us since you honestly seem to not know better.
>>52071970
>You'll refuse to destroy the NY Skyline
Nah, rip it down.
Seriously I don't understand why you feel the need to preserve history past being documented. It's fucking old. Do you think the Greeks thought that their temples would stand forever? Or do you think that they would have torn them down to build bigger, better buildings with new technologies?
You refuse to fucking look forward. I hope if Europe ever experiences another world war, your ancient cities all lie in ruin so you are forced to rebuild them better.
>>52072025
This. No self-respecting enthusiast would drive anything with less than 8 cylinders.
>>52072040
You do realize the end goal of socialism is the eradication of the concept of a "country", right?
Fucking retard. I bet you aren't even a socialist, but a social democrat, AKA a spinless liberal capitalist. Fucking petty-bourgeois.
>>52072083
God no, are you accusing me of being a nigger keeper like yourself? Please contain your crazy ideas in your head.
>>52071988
you talk like someone who lives in the countryside and is bored so thinks the big city is cool cause shit happens there.
italianfag here, i was born and i grew up in one of those little italian towns you always show in american movies, those with the church (actually, many churches), the trees and old ladies. i studied in high school in the nearest big city, a 300k+ almost metropolis. now i moved in a new town for uni and that's something between the big city and the little medieval town and even if sometimes i visit bigass metropolis (such as Milan or Rome) I FUCKING LOVE LIVING IN A MEDIEVAL TOWN. everything is made for the man every walk is enjoyable, traffic is outside and i don't need a single transport, public or private.
seriously, we should all live this way, big towns are for machines but we're not machines
>>52071093
>implying you need to hold the wheel
Change gears while driving in a straight line. Surely your alignment isn't so messed up you'd crash if you release the wheel for a couple of seconds.
>>52072041
>Not joining up with the military so you can smash europe's "culture" in the war
Come on man, time is running out! Those museums aren't going to burn themselves.
>>52072083
>my country doesn't have an iota of culture or legacy
>no other country should have it either
That's what you sound like, very no-brain typical American who never left his safety blanket to see something different.
>>52071951
>Concrete jungles are disgusting
Japan is great in this regard. There was an article about the clever building codes they have that reduce the claustrophobic feeling that you get in many built-up cities. Like, the tall part of a building is set back from the road, with maybe a one or two-story front portion that houses maybe a storefront or reception area. Plus mandated green spaces.
Tokyo really is a model of how to make a livable, high-density city.
>>52071988
I don't think you understand what urban sprawl really is.
The horrible part of cities is the obnoxiously ugly suburbs, not the super compact and efficient center. Sprawl is really a problem in western us and canada where the cities can spread outwards seemingly forever instead of being efficient. The transit and road systems are so god damn horrible because they just keep building rows upon rows of identical housing with little planning.
You're just a fan of the cyberpunk dream, not the suburban reality
>>52072186
>and canada where the cities can spread outwards seemingly forever instead of being efficient
I find it bizarre that you don't see more of that in Canada. Look at B.C. Vancouver itself is fairly built up, since it's restricted. But the surrounding suburbs really don't go very far out. Canada has *so much fucking land*, I don't get why they don't have sprawl much further. Meanwhile, they never had a housing market crash, and their property values in cities are insanely high.
>>52072209
there need to be people living there for them to have to spread out
>>52072149
>300k+
>Big city
Lmao
Also you realize it's a matter of where you grew up? I grew up in New York, lived in Portland for a while, now I live in San Fran.
Did a lot of travel in Europe some years back. Your cities are eye candy, sure, but I don't think they are nearly as pretty as say, Sao Paulo, San Fran, LA, New York, etc.
You grew up around those cities, your formative years saw them as familiar, which makes them attractive to you now. I saw landscapes with skyscrapers that stretched beyond the horizon in my formative years, and that's beauty to me.
Why is it so hard to accept that some people have different tastes in what they like?
>>52070542
>GTI too expensive
>buy a gas guzzler SUV instead
a true ameritard.
>>52072174
I really wish to visit Tokyo, for a variety of reasons, maybe that'll change my mind on obnoxiously huge, loud and polluted cities.
But as it stands now, there's nothing more comfy than living in a smaller town full of history and good old fashioned people, besides having your own island I guess..?
The advent of ordering online and delivery makes this prospect a far better deal.
I hate driving.
>>52072171
>Doesn't have a lot of culture or legacy
>This is what europoors actually believe
Nah, culture is just for the braindead who are too incapable of carving the future for themselves.
>>52072186
Suburbs are shit, but they exist because of the natural exploitative properties of capitalism. Demand for living in the city drives pricing up, so developments are made around the city that have a fraction of the cost of living, but still providing easy access to the city.
>>52072274
I hate driving
because of everyone else driving.
>>52072277
>Expecting Europeans to understand just how much culture America exists on, and the huge volume it produces in the modern age
The fact that they try to make that argument on an American meme website should throw red flags that they are the kind of euro-hick who is ignorant of the world outside of their village.
>>52072258
Dude, gas was like $0.88 per gallon when I bought the Grand Cherokee. And I got a great price on it from a friend's family.
That was probably the best vehicle purchase I've ever made. Drove through a literal blizzard like it was nothing, hauled friends around in comfort, drove around drunk-driver-infested Phoenix, AZ in safety, and towed things with ease.
Everyone wanted above Bluebook retail for their shitbox used GTI VR6, and 3/4 of them had reconstructed titles. And it was nowhere near as versatile a vehicle as the GC.
By the time fuel prices got high, I was riding a motorcycle for my commute anyway. I just used the GC as a weekend funmobile.
>>52072277
>Nah, culture is just for the braindead who are too incapable of carving the future for themselves.
Fantastic, now we just need to put you in some rags made out of leaves and throw you into the Perućica so you can get in touch with your uncultured self.
Geez, I can't believe what stupid shit I read today.
>there are people ITT who prefer automatics
automatics are just boring to drive desu
>>52069805
Europoor here. I hate that thing.
The only reason we aren't fully automatic yet are because of shitty car enthusiasts
>>52072389
Soon manual driving will be outlawed anyway.
>>52072261
>But as it stands now, there's nothing more comfy than living in a smaller town full of history and good old fashioned people
Uh. Okay.
Small towns are cute, though they're often infested with meth addicts and weirdos who can't hack it in polite society (e.g. shooting at people who mistakenly drive up their private road looking for a friend's house).
Big cities offer endless options for activities. Want to take a cooking class? Done. Yoga? Twenty studios within five miles. Rock climbing? Yep, several gyms offer that. Want to get out and hike? No problem, you can catch a charter bus out to popular areas for a pretty low price.
The only problem I have in cities is the cost of space. I can't build out a sweet workshop with all my tools and stuff, but on the other hand I don't need to do hardly any of the work I do now (e.g. vehicle maintenance and modding). And if it wasn't for American liability issues, it'd be a snap to do a co-op "maker space" type thing.
That said, most American cities are shit. Unless you have a ton of money, all the housing is shitty timber[1] so you hear every cough from your neighbor and are woken up every night by loud exhausts.
[1] nothing wrong with timber for free-standing homes, but for high-occupancy dwellings you want the isolation of thick concrete.
>>52072389
Are you a woman?
7 speed manual with optional rev-matching on downshifts.
Long live the manuals.
>>52072244
i referred it as a big town cause it's the nearest big town around here and well 300k people are quite a lot even compared to 5 milions people town. let's say they matter. consider that we have municipalties around here with less than 300 people, basically the major is always someone's cousin.
anyway i can agree than big metropolis like american metropolis are beautiful to see, i love to stand under a skycraper but fuck no, your cities are nothing like what you said.
pic related is the real sao paulo. that's not the dream you described, you have big ass skycrapers built over 8/10 lanes road, impossible to enjoy by feet next to the earth's asshole that is that slum.
yes, is a pretty city TO SEE not to live in.
once again, live in a little medieval city for a period (some months should be enough) and experience what it feels like to walk around in a place that you totally feel yours, like it's made for you.
the feeling i always have in big cities is that i don't belong to them. in this way i appreciate what the contemporary architecture is trying to do, take a look at the new zone in milan, Portanuova, high skycrapers built next to the historic center of milan, traffic goes under in tunnels and people are free to walk through shops. that's something good.
>>52072455
He already said he's european
>>52072474
Pretty sure I've seen your car on /o/ before. Sup.
>>52069805
the reverse all the way to the right triggers me because my Mini has it all the way to the left
>>52072482
>
once again, live in a little medieval city for a period (some months should be enough) and experience what it feels like to walk around in a place that you totally feel yours, like it's made for you.
I told you, I have. I don't like it as much as I like a huge city. Why is it hard for you to accept that I like a modern city better?
>>52072540
Because your opinion is wrong.
>>52069844
>F1
F1 died when stick was removed from F1
stick is the heart of driving
bitch
>>52072540
i didn't get it, well what i have to say. i respect you but i don't understand you. maybe because you didn't give me a single reason to like a big city besides that they look pretty to you
>>52070110
1997 Civic owner here. i like the damn thing!
>>52072041
>Hey mom, I did it again!
>Eurocucks won't understand this piece of technology
>live in a huge town with lots of traffic
>stall
yeah seems like a good idea for me ;^)
>>52072564
Sticks and Rally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqGRdLNyKcw
>>52072646
>needing to murder at the drop of a hat
Sorry, I can control myself around schools
>>52072646
well Paris does now :^)
>>52072646
I know that thing, it's used to kill others for banal reasons like the idiots you are, full of American spirit if I do say so.
>>52072682
Oooh
>>52072682
That was just one time. Count it, ONE. And we still have less murders than mad max land over there. My capcha was hamburgers you're so fat and delluded.
>>52072646
pls explain
>>52072666
>stall
Even babies wouldn't stall, you need to have some special kind of brain damage to stall.
>>52072707
ok lets go with a more realistic scenario then
>live in a huge town with lots of traffic
>have to shift non fucking stop
A Nissan cvt automatic is more efficient than even a professional manual driver of the same car
>>52072589
Extremely convenient, easy to move around in. Don't have to go out of the way to do something.
>>52072731
>live in a huge town with lots of traffic
There's your problem.
>>52071973
>Indians invented toilets
Wasnt that the Greeks?
>>52072746
WE WERE GREEKS AN SHIT (everywhere)
>>52072743
well what the fuck do you want me to do
there are no jobs in rural areas
>>52072757
There's something between rural areas and xbox huge cities.
>>52072785
guess what
not every place is the same, i'm also a student and i have to commute to a fuck huge city every day
manual cars are not viable here
>>52070665
2015 GTR is automatic only
I'm sure your manual peugeot is just as fast
>>52072741
>extremely convenient
actually it's pricy and you can't find everything near you
>easy to move around in
actually you MUST move around, not all of the cities have a good public transport service and those who don't have many problems with traffic
>don't have to go out of the way to do something
i give you this one
>ITT: /o/ and /trv/
>>52070507
God bless you, my fellow American brother.
>>52072818
>GTR
literally the least "driver's car" performance car on the planet right now, bad example
>>52072806
Ah, I was thinking you already were living your own life, sorry.
See you in a few years I guess, maybe you'll change your mind.
>>52071644
>he can't drive with one hand
sucks to suck, anon-senpai
>>52071973
>>52072746
lol No, it was actually an Englishman, named Thomas Crapper. Seriously.
>>52070493
20 year old Peugeot has that too
Uk oppressionist state that doesnt allow people to have weapons
look up attempted murders US vs UK and the numbers should not be too far off
The reason why Americans are so butthurt about MTs is because their weak intellects don't know what to do with something that requires even a little bit of effort. The only people that get angry about MT cars are Americans, they can't do it so it must suck.
I don't care about AT cars, as long as it's a decent gearbox, but CVTs are gay af. I prefer MT gearbox cars because I can get better gas mileage, I enjoy it more and my supermini looks slightly less gay. L
>implying american don't drive pickup trucks.
>>52071644
i always drive with one hand even in maneuver, and my car hasn't power steering, i can't see a problem.
only times i put both hands on the wheel is when i'm on a highway cause i have nothing better to do
>>52072898
That's a school yard tale, the flush toilet was not invented by him, just wrongly attributed to him
Indians did not invent flushable toilets, but they did invent toilets that were attached to a sewer system and basic plumbing infrastructure
>tfw friends refuse to start my car for me because it intimidates them
>>52072917
Hey anon! I believe you missed a post!
>>52072706
Take a look at this! ;)
>>52070924
Nope
>>52072898
>>52072965
It was Harrington
>>52072672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cxDz0Z066NI#t=128
@2:00 DEAR GOD
>>52072923
>Americans are so butthurt about MTs
kinda weird how the only threads you see on here about manual vs automatic are the threads created by yuropoors
>>52072966
Must be awfully hard to shift to neutral and hold the ignition for 2-3 seconds.
Every time I explain it, then come outside to them sitting in an unstarted car
>>52071311
Underrated post
>>52073010
Not like Americans would actually make threads since:
1: they don't have any cars
2: they can't drive
>>52071280
Cool story moron
>bragging about not being able to afford an automatic
europoors everybody
>>52073051
How do your friends even manage to open the car door?
>>52073037
1/10 read filename
>>52073032
here, for those saying that americans could totally learn how to drive manual but auto is just better
>>52069805
My Trans Am is a 6 speed.
I don't know about yankee faggots, but here in the south men like hotrods, and manuals. The only reason men get automatics is because they end up with some dingbat who can't drive a stick, and no self respecting man wants to do the grocery shopping, or drive a bunch of kids to some faggoty extra curricular activity like ballet or soccer practice. That's women's work, and unfortunately they need a car for it.
>>52069805
>implying it matters
I use my car to go back and forth to work and shopping
I really don't care about the "driving experience" or what the fuck ever /o/ likes to jack themselves off to
>>52073081
>San Marino first because it's a tiny point in the center of Italy and they probably have lower taxation on cars
kek
>>52073069
quite a few manuals are more expensive now
>>52070329
>closed the gap
There is no gap. Hasn't been for years now. Some would argue there's a new gap created by automatics.
>>52069844
>lol my tq converting lushomatic paddle shift is the same as a F1 tranny.
Even dual clutch automated manual transmissions are still light years behind f1 transmissions.
>>52073128
Because they're a niche market. Only hipsters, clinging to obsolete tech, buy manuals.
>>52073128
because the cars they're attached to are more expensive
automatic will always cost more than manual due to the increased amounts of computers needed to power an automatic transmission
