>no mini ITX thread
Let's fix that. What does /g/ think of mini ITX builds? Is anyone here using one or working on one right now?
My machine is using an ITX board at the moment, but I'm still using my old POS Cooler Master Storm Scout case. I'm thinking of switching to one of these Lian Li beauties so I can travel with my rig. Does /g/ recommend it?
>meme-ITX
>>51933969
Yeah, so what? I've been wanting an ITX rig for lan parties and shit. Plus, they look cool as fuck.
If I wanted a toy I'd buy a console.
Useful for people with limited space or things like HTPCs. I like the idea of putting as much power as possible in as little space as possible.
>>51933957
Go on newegg and build what ever you can afford in to a 250D
>>51934036
This desu, it's really cool. If only I didn't have huge clumsy hands.
I just got a dslr so I suppose I'm due for updated pics soon
>>51934040
I specifically want a case with a carrying handle. I'm a manlet with almost no upper body strength.
>>51934065
That's a neat looking case. What's the model?
>>51934106
Silverstone ML08 with handle, if I'm not mistaken.
>>51934141
Thanks. :)
What does /g/ think of the EVGA Hadron Air?
>>51934270
shit, forgot my pic
>>51933957
If I wanted to use this case, how short does my CPU cooler have to be?
>>51933969
if it were a meme, why was it so easy to take my desktop outside for a photoshoot and hook it back up to edit the photos?
>>51934498
Because it's not a meme, mini ITX cases are the future.
>>51934570
When I made the switch to mITX I was honestly expecting to discover some kind of major drawback that explained the reason more people didn't do the same. I can say from experience now unless you need more than 1 expansion slot its a very good choice and there's no other reason not to go mITX
>>51934762
How do you handle wireless and everything? Is it integrated into the motherboard? I was thinking of building a midrange mITX machine since my W520 is getting a bit old to play most games (and wasn't terribly good with it in the first place), but due to physical restraints I cannot have a wired connection.
>>51933957
You sure that's not a subwoofer?
>>51934270
It looks pretty nice, although it uses a non standard power supply does it not? That would suck balls having to ditch a case along with the bad PSU.
>>51935153
you can get a motherboard with wifi or use a usb dongle just like any other desktop
>>51933957
Whats the name of the case
>>51935283
Fender passport
>>51935312
Fender passport mini*
>>51935283
Lian Li PC-TU200
the PC-TU100 is even smaller
I have a full tower PC and I am so getting rid of it the next time I upgrade or buy a new PC.
There's just no point to it anymore. I can probably make my BD drive external for the few times I need it but otherwise I have one card, and that's my graphics card, and an unnecessarily large CPU cooler.
Besides that this thing weighs a ton and it's a pain in the ass to clean.
>>51935322
Fuck you
>>51935383
NO, that's the wrong one, it's a fender passport mini
MiniITX build will run 15-25% more expensive. So keep that into consideration.
>>51935432
But save you 15-25% more space, so it's worth it.
>>51934270
Shitty included PSU. Avoid.
I wanted one but I can't find any itx lga1156 motherboards anywhere in aus.
>>51935417
>>51935383
>>51935322
>>51935312
>>51935357
You're all wrong, it's a TEC-20g
>>51935153
A smart man would buy a small router and plug that in instead using it as a bridge.
![DSC_0032[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WzzE7IX.jpg "DSC_0032[1].jpg")
Muh mITX case
>>51935508
I think you've got it wrong too. I think it's a Denver tr-44black
>>51935513
>a smart man
>using a router when a USB dongle would suffice
>>51935681
>using USB bandwidth when you have a ethernet chip
>wasting time with drivers
>>51935704
for a stationary setup you have a point, otherwise its not worth the trouble
>>51933957
Now this is a meme I can get behind.
![DSC_0001[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/VkPibP7.jpg "DSC_0001[1].jpg")
>>51935568
For cooling
My 7870 is idling at 25 degrees
It doesn't go over 65 degrees and the fans never go over 30% which isn't even hearable. Who says that mITX is shit for cooling?
>>51935704
>using USB bandwidth
>worrying about such trivial nonsense in 2015
>Needing to use an external device with its own power supply in order to use your mini-ITX build
>not defeating the purpose
>>51935979
Incase you're fucking retarded, having a dedicated bridge allows you to connect shit to it and have 1 link to your internet over wifi instead of shitload of clients that all fuck with each other.
>>51936014
>implying most people have multiple ethernet-only internet connected devices sitting next to each other
>implying that a mini-ITX build should remain stationary
>actually implying this is a typical usage scenario
also
>not just buying a wifi-dongle
>>51936111
>dongle
Problematic post. Delete this.
Big things come in small packages :^)
>>51934498
THIS IS SO WONDERFUL
It can be as powerfull as an atx
>>51936315
It can be if you're talking about run of the mill standard gaymen PCs. If we're talking about power potential overall, then no. Full atx always wins for obvious reasons.
>>51936311
Thank you :) I'm flattered
>>51936441
Case?
>>51936467
Silverstone ML08B-H
Is the Thermaltake Core V1 a good case? I'm making the switch from [spoiler]console gaymen[/spoiler] and I want to know if it was a good buy.
>>51936389
The only difference is RAM slots, CPU sockets and PCI-e slots.
This means no crossfire/sli, 4xram or 2x CPU.
Those are all niche things
>>51936467
Read the thread faggot
>>51934141
This fucking thing impresses me every time.
>>51936279
>that
>small
>>51936527
Relative to 95% of towers it's still pretty small senpai
>>51936507
Thanks senpai
I fell in love with mini-ITX the moment I heard of it. They are so cute.
>>51933957
Master mini ITX reporting in
>>51936502
It's okay. Not great, not bad. Just okay.
>>51936564
It's mATX sized faggot while it can only support mITX motherboards
>>51936502
Pretty mediocre as far as build quality goes but there's a lot of customizability as you can put radiators on any side and also can orient the case just about any way you want
>>51936526
I was going to get this until I found the ML08. Same case but cleaner exterior and has a handle option
>>51936607
With the layout of the case it would never fit an mATX board. It's big for mITX, yes. Obviously. Duh. Is it small by most if not all other standards though? Yes.
Also just because you don't like em chubby doesn't mean other people don't :^)
>>51936570
I remember I first saw a mini itx board with a giant cpu cooler on it posted in some thread here. Never bothered looking at other sizes before until I saw that
>>51936757
Nigger by mITX standards it's a fucking whale
It's 28 liters. The other cases in this thread are all under 15 liters.
>>51934498
ridiculously photogenic
>>51936807
>>51936502
22.6L
>>51936570
33.6L
250d is more or less halfway between those two. At 28.1L. If you want to complain about mITX cases being too big, pick on the phanteks guy. You're just being dumb.
>>51936905
Phanteks guy here. It's not the size that matters for me, I just really like the small and cute form factor. I could easily fit a microATX build in there.
Also, I'm ready for my ridiculing due to having a nice windowed build that I can never see from behind my monitors.
>>51936502
Lots of cooling, but kind of ugly. Waiting for Zen to build a custom loop into a V21.
>>51933957
>no expansion slots
mATX is only marginally bigger but offers SLI/Crossfire or expansion slots.
>>51937015
I'll just post that the right way up too
>>51937015
I wasn't meaning to demean your build by the way. It's absolutely great. I probably would have gone with one of those enthoos instead of the 250d if they had been out when I bought my parts.
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/UQKZZ/saved/#view=XthH99 what do you think of this build? Could go MiniITX, but i could eventually go SLI otherwise.
>>51937248
>non mITX in mITX thread
>>51936905
>>51937196
http://tweakers.net/categorie/61/behuizingen/producten/#filter:q1YqSExPDc6sSlWyMjQw0FEqKMpMTvXNzFOyAnKKC1KT3TJzSlKLipWsqpVMTEwtQXQuSFrJSM_U0MzVXElHKTexAsy3NDQ3MDMBCtXW1gIA
Here are a bunch of cases in the same size range as the 250d
It's not a mITX case
>>51937265
Could go mITX, no idea of what MoBo
I use an MI-008 by apex, problem is it only allows for a single slot gpu(literally even the heatsink can't into taller) is there any case like this but with two slot config? I like the case other than this one issue.
>>51934498
I really doubt it was that easy when you had to unplug everything and then plug everything again
>>51937674
I have everything on a usb hub. So I just unplugged one usb cable, power, ethernet, and hdmi. Doesn't get much easier
would it be possible to use an optiplex 360 case for a gaming itx biuld if i had a cable to relocate the graphics card so on and so forth. i might also need to externally mount the psu. i mean its tiny but could i do it
>>51935153
One of the main reasons I got a mini-ITX board was because I wanted integrated wireless and bluetooth. Not a lot of fullsize boards have those things.
>>51937758
What USB hub you got senpai?
>>51935234
That's the main thing that's kept me from considering one, since I already have a nice semi-modular Corsair. Although to be quite honest, I hate how fuckhuge and messy normal ATX PSUs are. I have no idea how people manage their cables with those.
>want mini itx case because I move around a lot and space is limited
>everyone says mitx is gimped and just a tiny heatbox that fries your internals
>tfw going from massive case to tiny case
I kind of want a case with a handle so maybe a 380t or the one in OP's pic. But kind of considering a 250D too.
>>51935283
>>51935312
>>51935322
It's a Lian Li PC-TU200. I'd actually consider the TU100 if it weren't for its lack of compatibility with 3.5" drives.
>>51937993
its a standard 4 port powered hub desu senpai
>>51937885
You have no idea how badly I want to do a sleeper build with one of these. I don't know if the motherboard plate is standards compliant though.
>>51938049
USB 3.0 tho?
>>51938069
2.0, had it lying around. Its just for a webcam, keybaord, and mouse anyway
>>51937885
The motherboard mounts aren't standard. The ones near the PCI slow should line up, but they don't.
If you can modify it tho, go for it
>>51936570
I like this case a lot. It's very cute. I might use it when I build a new box next year sometime. Waiting for Nvidia to refresh their cards.
>>51938116
B-But USB 3.0 ports are blue!
I'm switching from ATX to the mATX meme, I've always found I usually just use one GPU as it is, since SLI and Crossfire aren't that lucrative nowadays, and the days of PCI cards for everything are over.
I'm still too afraid to do mITX because of the lack of cooling options though.
>>51939240
I have a Define R2 in my server and I love it. That's an Arc mini or somesuch? How's the acoustics compared to the Define series?
>>51937299
But it IS an mITX case. It's designed for mITX motherboards and mITX motherboards only.
>>51938007
380t is better for constant moving. 250d is better for aesthetics and possibly case rigidity, but is still very very portable.
It's not a gimped heatbox if you don't fall for the "mITX has to be 15L or less" meme. And even then, there are many cases that provide adequate airflow. Just don't choose one of those cases that has only 1 fan mount or PSU directly over motherboard or something dumb like that and you'll be fine.
>>51939240
There are many mITX cases that don't limit you too bad on cooling options though. Just as long as you don't plan on using an NH-D15 or something like that
>>51938020
> not getting the joke
>>51939795
Yeah the 380t has a pretty solid handle, I picked one up in best buy and was surprised, and I like the built in fan controller
The 250D looks a lot better, but the two 80mm rear fan mounts are killing me. But it has a 5.25 drive too.
Deciding is pretty difficult.
>>51933957
i built one in a bitfenix prodigy for my mom once. it was an easy build with low end hardware and it still was extremely fiddly with my big hands. wouldn't want to do it again.
>>51933957
Please be gentle.
>>51941076
what a qt
>>51941076
Good god, is that just a box with a window? That looks fucking atrocious; that wad of PSU wires in the corner is fucking spooky.
>>51933957
Flippin gangsta, that's all i have to say. I would suggest running an i3 over a beefy amd equivalent. Cooling,would be a logistical concern.... You squeeze all that hatdware into a tight box things are gonna get hot and bothered
>>51935179
D00d. You could use it to cool the processor!
>>51933957
My first two builds were huge cases that took up a lot of space. Ever since I've stuck with mini ITX. The only downside is I can't do SLI or Crossfire, but they're shit anyway. These CoolMonster cases are pretty great and typically under $50
>>51933957
I am considering building one. I built an ITX nas using an a10 and its pretty great and now that I have all my drives on it I don't really need a giant case.
My main concern is cooling and space for a large GPU and CPU heatsink. I also already have a bunch of mid to full tower cases so it seems a waste to buy more cases. Having it be smaller would be nice though, but in the long run I care more about low noise.
Do mITX/mATX cases have shit cooling? I've been wanting to do something smaller and I think I'm going to go with mATX so I have the option for SLI/Crossfire in the future. I was planning on upgrading to this. I already have some of the parts. All I really need is the mobo and the case.
Why are so many Z97 mini-itx motherboards out of stock? I back-ordered a GIGABYTE GA-Z97N-WIFI last month from B&H, and a week later they told me that the product was being discontinued and cancelled my order. Checking other motherboards: ASUS Z97I-PLUS, ASRock Z97E-ITX, MSI Z97I AC are all out of stock on newegg as well. What's going on? I just want to put together my computer oye
>>51941794
A shitload of z97 mobos are either sold out or not being carried right now. It's probably the holidays. I don't know.
>>51935432
Do they really?
>tfw I should have went mATX
Oh well
>>51936502
Yeah it's a damn good case for 30 bucks.
Although it's kinda big, doesn't feel/look like mini itx
>>51933957
I think it's better to have a big computer case so that it doesn't get stolen.
>>51943112
lmao
>>51933969
>everything is a meme
/g/ was better when it wasn't full of 12 olds
>>51936780
I grew up near Fry's Electronics and used to walk around it with my dad. They had an entire aisle lined with computer cases, and a few "mini" ones. I kind of wanted one, but when it came time for me to build my own computer I ended up with some flashy shit instead, and after that an obnoxious Cooler Master HAF.
I eventually replaced just the case with a Fractal now that I'm older, so it's still running with a 2009 Phenom and 2010 Radeon inside today. Funny how tastes change. Definitely going mini ITX with my next build. I like the Inwin 901 but I'll see when the time comes, maybe this next year.
>>51934498
How the fuck does a GPU fit in here?
>>51944919
by putting it flat next to to the motherboard.
It there mini itx with 2 pci e, i just love my xonar dx, i can't live without it and all intergrated or usb are shit. And dac, are without input
>>51944919
Magical buggery. All the fun of working with cases so small is making gear too big for it fit inside. Shame it all melts a month later.
>>51944961
Oh really? This is in a 12.8L case.
Older picture, some of the parts have been switched out.
>>51944976
node 304. Sexy af.
>>51933957
breddy good..here's my selfbuilt NAS box
I was thinking of making an emulation box to sit beside the TV in my living room with a mini itx computer. Would be so cool to have.
>>51945602
If integrated graphics is good enough, take a look at the Antec ISK 110
My current (ordered) build:
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2jjr4D
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2jjr4D/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($309.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: CRYORIG R1 Universal 76.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1150 Motherboard ($129.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ares Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($67.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial BX200 240GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($64.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.95 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PowerColor Radeon R9 390 8GB PCS+ Video Card ($269.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GS 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Total: $1122.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-12-19 09:05 EST-0500
I currently have everything except the motherboard and cooler, and those are already shipped and should be here in a few days. I do believe this tiny little case will be full.
>>51945749
>ASRock Z97E-ITX/ac Mini ITX
>$129.99
You seriously overpaid for that motherboard. I was able to pick one up for $90.
>>51945849
You are clearly not aware of the massive shortage of Z97 ITX motherboards. Pretty much all of them are sold out AND discontinued.
Plus this isn't the cheap ASRock Z97 itx motherboard. It's the 6 phase one, and the cheapest it's ever been (including rebates) is $115 if you look at price history.
>>51945871
Wow, I must have gotten them at a good time then. I bought one for a client back in August and they were starting to get cheaper than $100. I didn't realize that winter was coming...
>>51945899
Rofl, no wonder you got them cheap if you have access to wholesale suppliers.
>>51945913
I don't. I'm a hobby builder.
How does mini-ITX compare to micro-ATX?
>>51945939
It's smaller.
>>51945945
And mini-ITX by default requires you to have an ITX motherboard, right? Or do micro-ATX motherboards fit as well?
>>51945939
It's smaller, only has one PCI/PCIe slot compared to four, and usually only has two RAM slots for dual memory.
They tend to have less than the total allowable SATA ports of the chipset because of space issue and the power phases tend to be a lot less durable because of space.
My problem with them is that the height of the tower isn't any problem at all and the footprint savings are negligible. I prefer a colossal tower with a dozen low RPM fans, quietly drawing in more air than a 777 engine.
>>51945963
Yeah, the smaller ITX cases suffer from terrible airflow and restricts you into using shitty flat aircoolers
>>51945958
What about the motherboards they require, can a micro-ATX motherboard fit in an mini-ITX case?
I want to build my first desktop and like it to be as compact as possible, but my research so far indicates that mini-ITX is a niché and you pay a lot more for just a few centimeters smaller stuff while micro-ATX parts are simply cheaper and marginally bigger.
>>51945987
>micro-ATX motherboard fit in an mini-ITX case
Almost certainly not because of space. Vice versa is true though.
Buy an micro-ATX board and case. There are some good ones out there that cost about $50-70.
>>51933957
I love my mini-ITX system.
It also looks like a microwave.
>>51946000
Thank you, it was bugging me for a while now because those mini-ITX cases look very sexy but at least here in NL the cheapest motherboards go for just below €100 and good ones way above.
Meanwhile micro-ATX motherboards go for like €60.
>>51945985
Quick cooling question: should a big ass CPU radiator like a Hyper 212 be vertical or horizontal with a bottom mounted, bottom sucking PSU, 2 top exhaust fans and 2 rear exhaust fans?
>>51946022
Be careful with choosing some microATX boards because a few of them are shorter than standard and only comes with two or three PCIE slots.
>>51946036
That depends on the airflow of the case, but normally you'd install a CPU cooler so that the exhaust flows right out the back of the case. If the case has a ventilation port on the bottom of the case and you're not putting the case on carpet, then the intake of the PSU should be facing down taking in cool air from the outside. The only reason why you'd want the PSU to be intaking from the case is if you literally have not choice.
>>51946062
I'm not planning on using more than 2 videocards. Especially in a compact case I can't imagine having 4 cards..
>>51946062
Thanks. The PSU is facing down and has a filter. Protip for carpet fags: if you don't have a workshop, certain pieces of Ikea shelving are exactly the right size place your case on so it's not balls deep in the shag. It also makes sliding the tower out from under your desk easier.
>>51946085
The way of of the cheaper microATX cases are laid out prevents you from having anything other than a two-slot video card and one other card, usually PCI or PCIe 1x.
>>51934498
>took my desktop outside for a photoshoot
This has to be one of the more autistic things I've seen on /gee/ and it's a board known for containing large amounts of autism.
It does look really good though
>>51934065
>4790k with a gtx 970
>ddr3 @666 mhz
Holy shit anon what are you doing
>>51946192
>It does look really good though
Sometimes autism is worth it
>>51946204
Its dual channel so you multiply the clock speed shown by 2 for the effective clock speed, confused me at first too anon
>>51946204
>criticize ddr 666mhz
>not knowing what ddr means
>circa any year
My LianLi PC-Q08b now runs as a server. I am currently using laptops and my next build will probably use pic related. Integrated graphics are enough for my gaming needs. Looking forward to how well Zen will perform for small builds.
>>51938053
>computer
>sleeper build
Nobody but you sees your computer. Are you implying you will be sleeping by yourself
>>51944973
Is your mobo on fire?
>>51934498
Mini itx case in the wild
>>51946330
The joys of mITX is that it's small enough and light enough to be easily portable. So for Lan parties/friendly get togethers and such.
>>51946263
Damn I thought it just meant the amount of ram sticks your ram consists of.
I feel pretty stupid now...
1332 mhz is still not a whole lot and you still have a processor that's just way too powerful compared to the rest of your system.
>>51933957
im in the same pain as you. got the storm scout and cant get rid of it because of handle...
>>51946984
The last thing you want is a CPU bottleneck. It's the only part that lasts more then a few years.
>>51934065
>ML08B-H
Do you like it?! What is that cooler?!
That's muh dream case
>>51934270
Pretty good. The included PSU is actually okay and not shitty like you might think, and like it often parroted.
Has anyone made an ITX build with the X99 asrock board? I am really interested to see how it would work in an ITX case like the RVz01 or 2
>>51947020
I'm pretty sure even a 3570k wouldn't bottleneck that system.
I'm building my gf a gaming system for Christmas. Just so happens to be this form factor. I don't feel like spending a lot of money so I've just stolen the internals from a workstations at the university where I work. H81 chipset, i3-4xxx series,etc. Only thing I think I'm paying for out of pocket is a $30 case and repurposing an old 750gtx. Should be more than enough for the light gaming she does.
>>51947205
>GTX 970
There's already games that will get bottlenecked by it and that CPU should be fine for years to come.
>>51946984
1333 is pretty standard. Its generic 1600mhz ram but some motherboards just set it to 1333 as a default and I hadn't changed it yet when I took the screenshot
>>51947075
Its about everything you'd expect, I love it. Read the reviews on newegg, I wrote a pretty detailed one. The cooler is an ID-Cooling IS-60. Don't bother with any other, its the best low profile cooler I could find that would fit.
>>51947267
nice meme, anybody who doesn't just push all the graphics sliders to max knows the card does not bottleneck as long as you don't turn up vram intensive options that provide hardly noticeable results. Before you claim that to be a hassle geforce experience game optimization works by doing exactly that
>>51947267
There's literally no game the 970 won't run on max in 1080p unless you want x16 anisotropic
>>51947261
Nice blog
>>51947599
Doesn't the R9 390 have inherently better AA processing because it has more ROPs?
>>51948349
Well nvidia's mfaa is supposed to be really efficient. I don't know how it stacks up in real life scenarios though, I haven't really looked into it.
>>51948428
Maxwell has a slightly more efficient MFAA, but it still lags behind at larger resolutions because that efficiency doesn't scale very well with more pixels.
I think the 970 takes less of a hit with 1080p MFAA at 16x than the 390, but at 1440p or ultrawide 1080p, the 390 starts taking less of a hit.
Am I doing it right?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ky2fwP
>>51948532
>http://pcpartpicker.com/p/ky2fwP
>860k on a A68 chipset motherboard with shitty power phases
No, no you are not.
>>51948532
Wow, you literally did everything wrong.
>>51948558
So, what should I buy then? please fix my build senpai
>>51948532
>>51948558
Plus
>DDR3-1600
>R7 250
Just buy a fucking A10-7870k for less money if you're going to get a 250. Get the cheapest 2133MHz or higher RAM.
Also
>500GB for $46
You can get a 1TB Seagate for the same price now.
>>51948595
Find a cheap A88X chipset FM2+ board, an A10-7870k or 7850k, a DDR3-2133 8GB pair, a 1TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, and maybe a better power supply.
>>51948595
And you might want to hold off on an AMD build until this March when the first AM4 boards come out. That way you have more options to upgrade (both APUs and FX CPUs will use the same socket) with more modern features. An AMD flagship APU in 2017 will match a PS4/overmatch the Xbone with its iGPU alone.
>>51947599
>>51947374
I meant the CPU will bottleneck the GPU in some instances RIGHT NOW. This will only get worse with Vulkan/DX12.
I don't know about you but I replace my GPU far more often then my CPU.
>>51948701
>An AMD flagship APU in 2017 will match a PS4/overmatch the Xbone with its iGPU alone.
Note: pure speculation with a possible dose of wishful thinking
Though I don't understand why you're bringing consolefaggotry into the discussion in the first place...
>>51948745
>Note: pure speculation with a possible dose of wishful thinking
Nope, with a 40% higher IPC count than the current AMD 28nm architecture, a Zen APU with a 14nm GCN will have better IPC than the Jaguar CPU (which has about 30% worse IPC than Bulldozer) in both consoles and pack at least the same number of GCN cores as the PS4 in the iGPU due to the lithography shrink. That means that the flagship Zen APU will at least match a PS4 at similar resolutions even if the APU is clocked slightly lower than the current A10-7800k.
The reason why I brought up the consoles is that the APU will be priced about the same as they are now, so a bare-bones PC with just an APU will cost about the same or less than a console equivalent.
>>51935568
Samefag
>>51948507
Well the 970 only really has the whole nvidia ecosystem, much much lower tdp and higher memory clock speed going for it versus the 390
I'll still get the 970 because of the massive difference in tdp [spoiler] and because I'd jizz all over myself if I could get my hands on one with the reference cooler [/spoiler]
how does /g/ rate this motherboard
>>51949118
integrated buttplug 5/7
It's great. I'm getting an ncase m1 in the next batch they sent out. Gonna look so sexy.
You know what's great about all these mITX cases? They don't have fucking LEDs and windows and shit. All very understated designs without looking like corporate beige boxes.
>>51949118
It's a fairly good overclocker for A8/A10 APUs and X4 860k. I was able to push an A10-7850k to about 4.5GHz on that exact board with a bit of heat coming off the chipset block and voltage regulators. Just make sure to have a fan blowing down on the board to keep those heatsinks cooled properly. A top-down CPU cooler is essential and an AIO could theoretically degrade performance due to a lack of airflow on those parts.
>>51949118
Also, I think it's possible to swap that wifi out for a stronger mini-PCIe card. The dildo antenna should still work with a new wifi card.
>>51948950
I'm considering putting a Noctua nh-d15 in there but I'm not sure if it will fit
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