http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/12/trump-doesnt-want-isis-using-our-internet/
KEK
>>51898573
Just to clarify, he doesn't want to shut down the internet and plunge us into 1984 like people think he does. He only wants to shut down internet in countries like Iran, syria, etc
>>51898778
Sounds like a plan
>>51898778
Then just shut down the internet in US and everybody is happy.
>>51898778
he doesnt even want that, he wants to be able to targetedly take down isis twitter sites / websites etc
>>51898813
Yes, let's bomb Twitter!
>>51898573
He's shrewd.
He does know how the Internet works, but is exploiting the fact that the average person doesn't.
>>51898921
The average person knows how a comb works, though.
>>51898573
fuck off /pol/
>>51899354
Go away bernie sanders cuck.
>>51898778
slippery slope
Why do you think he backpeddled?
Because it struck a nerve. This backpeddling is nothing more than lip service.
>>51898778
>he doesn't want to abolish human rights. he only wants to abolish them in countries like Iran, Syria etc.
>>51898573
going to need some floating trump mouths
>>51899869
do i make fun of you for considering internet access a human right?
or do i make fun of you for thinking we give two fucks about people in iran or syria's access to the internet?
>>51898573
>Trusting any of these faggots in US politics to better your life in any way.
You aren't very swift are you?
>>51899869
>internet
>a human right
On top of that you think sandniggers have a right to American owned internet. Top kek.
>>51900743
>>internet
>a human right
I thought it already was. Because it should be.
>>51900766
Good thing retards like you don't make the rules, then.
USA USA USA
>>51900820
(CLAP,CLAP,CLAP,CLAP)
>>51900743
Not him but
>http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/17session/A.HRC.17.27_en.pdf
>The Special Rapporteur considers cutting off users from internet access, regardless of the justification provided, including on the grounds of violating intellectual property rights law, to be disproportionate and thus a violation of article 19, paragraph 3, of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
Looks like it is a human right.
>>51900904
>international law
Lol.
>>51900904
>Don't pay internet bill, sue isp for crimes against humanity when they disconnect your service.
>>51900952
Read the full article.
Just trust us goyim. We won't censor anyone but the bad guys. :^)
>>51900904
>ISIS has the human right to internet
>>51900984
>They're humans
>Therefore they're entitled to human rights
Is that a difficult concept?
>>51900984
>the only people in the middle East are ISIS members
>maybe if we completely cut them off from the internet and western culture they'll become more friendly to us
>>51901049
>if we don't give them internet they're gonna join ISIS and kill us!
Oh man. The arguments liberals make are fucking hilarious.
It's like all the fourteen year olds on the internet got together and decided to shill for the funny meme man while responding to everyone who disagrees by calling them names.
I watched the Rally just now and he said he just wants people from silicon valley to track down the people who run the ISIS websites and twitters not shutdown the internet in America or any other country.
>>51901076
Are you retarded? Western culture exports have been the single greatest tool in making countries around the world friendly to us. Coca Cola did more to end the cold war than our nuclear arsenal did.
>>51901101
How do you know they're fourteen?
>>51898573
>trump
nuke this thread
>>51901126
>literally thinks the US owes ISIS internet access or else we're the bad guys
>>51901128
Because of shit like this:
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>>51901175
>hasn't taken a high school level history class
>is still in middle school
>>51898573
We spy on literally every form of electronic communication in the middle east. Why would crippling this ability be a good idea? Trump confirmed for misinformed, shit stirring, geezer.
>>51901207
Please explain to me how taking a high school level history class would make it clear that the United States owes ISIS internet access at our own expense.
Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>51901207
Not that anon but I think you're wrong, they're just your common or garden variety trolls.
>>51901238
We don't owe ISIS shit. By cutting off the internet you'd be blocking the primary source of western culture exports, thus making the *entire* middle east waaaaayyyyyy more radical, not just ISIS. Their only source of information would be the local imam.
You're not old enough to understand things like geopolitics.
>tfw it's all shitposting of Trump vs Sanders
>everyone ignores Rand
>>51901270
Lol. You think by being condescending it makes you sound smart.
Again, you're making the argument that if we don't give them what they want then they will kill us. You not realizing how fucking retarded of an argument that is says a lot about how self-aware you are.
And could you list these "western culture exports"? What exactly does the US culturally export to ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria?
>>51901266
No, I'm pretty sure they're underage: >>51901323
This has happened a few times now where they've even admitted it.
MEANWHILE AT CONGRESS
>>51901244
>>51901347
>dat butthurt
Are you gonna kill yourself when you see the election results in November?
>>51901376
>le funny meme man
>>51898778
>>51898813
this is already happening, even in the US.
how can someone be so ignorant and retarded (>let's talk with bill gates!!) and still get attention is beyond me.
>>51898778
but ISIS have more followers in the USA, France, Belgium, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Germany, Canada or England than in Iran.
can you faggots calm down with your trumpposting?
>>51898573
>"You talk freedom of speech. You talk freedom of anything you want. I don’t want them using our Internet to take our young, impressionable youth," Trump said at the debate. "We should be using our brilliant people, our most brilliant minds to figure a way that ISIS cannot use the Internet."
Is he literally mentally challenged? He sounds either like a spec-ed kid or -extremely- uneducated. The immigrant who runs the gas station down the road from me is more eloquent in English than this tard, and it's his third language.
How the fuck is he even in the race?
>>51901739
He's 70 and going senile.
>>51901739
He graduated from Wharton. Where'd you graduate from, anon?
>>51901778
I graduated from MIT.
>>51901387
this is already happening, even in the US.
how can someone be so ignorant and retarded (>let's drink the kool aid!!) and still post on 4chan is beyond me.
>>51901798
You're supposed to supply evidence when you make a claim, Einstein. Or should I take you on your word? :^)
>>51900703
Internet is a human right in finland
>>51901778
First of all, anyone who's been to uni know that it means very little in that regard, knew plenty of retards there, many of whom graduated.
Can't post any credentials since I don't have them scanned (pretty sure they're all in my mums house in a box desu), graduated from pic related though, M.Sc in information technology (loosely translated, they call it an "it-engineer", pretty much comp-sci with a focus on infrastructure)
>>51901837
Not officially in Sweden, but it's considered a "necessity of life", which means that even if you're on welfare you get stipend to cover subscription cost, also your computer can't be repossessed if you owe money.
>>51901323
>What exactly does the US culturally export to ISIS controlled Iraq and Syria?
you know iraq had things like mcdonalds right? before everything was bombed into powder.
>>51899869
Obama and BUsh and every prior president have kinda of fucked over human rights in other nations. Trump would be the least violent one by just cutting their interwebs insted of killing them.
>>51901288
no one truly wants libertarianism. we like having roads maintained.everyone is authoritarian.
>>51902098
Rand's not even that libertarian (which is fine). He's worth more than the other candidates for his positions on our surveillance state and foreign policy. That's because presidents can directly change foreign policy, and because Rand would actually veto privacy invading bills.
>>51898573
Bernie was quoted saying most politicians in Congress are waaaaaayyy out of touch and waaaaaayyy behind the times when it comes to protecting free speech on the internet. He's the only one when people were up in arms about the NSA to point out how big corporations collect just as much data on you. Why should Walmart and Target know my wife is pregnant before I do?
>>51902221
>Bernie
That senile career politician has zero chance of being elected and will only make more votes for Hillary
>>51898573
>>51898778
>>51898813
>>51901387
The only people who think that Trump is dumb for this are liberals.
Trump is absolutely right on this - we need to take down ISIS' online propaganda, on sites like YouTube, LiveLeak, Instagram, etc., and wherever they use online tools to communicate, they should be targeted too.
So Trump said "let's contact Bill Gates" - you think that makes him dumb? No, he's just too busy to care about the minutiae of how this is done. Why should he concern himself with the nitty gritty? He's the guy in charge, not the grunt who does the dirty work.
Targeting ISIS on the web, using the web to track them and gain intelligence, and stopping known or suspected ISIS members or sympathisers from accessing or using certain web services, are NOT things that are "technically impossible" in any way at all. In fact, they are all things that we MUST do if we are really serious about defeating ISIS and defending our nations.
>>51901739
>How the fuck is he even in the race?
What you and most others fail to realize about Trump is that the more you attack him the stronger he grows. He's spent the past 15 years being trashed by the media which so happens to make or break political candidates... he is quite literally immune to their tactics. The more hate you throw at him he merely feeds upon to grow in strength.
He may very well be the top candidate for he Republican party who will inevitably face Hilary Clinton.
>>51898573
You laugh at people saying this but russia has been training attack sharks for years to chew up the NA -EU cable lines in the Atlantic Ocean costing companies millions in repairs.
>>51902254
>the choice will be between Dennis the Menace and SJWillary
Fucking hell...
>>51902245
This whole Isis shit is getting out of hand. People are more at risk by walking through the ghettos of LA than waiting around for the boogyman Isis to attack you.
It's just more governmental propaganda to scare us into further submission by allowing the feds to spy on us even more. All for the name of protection? lol.
>>51902308
That's the whole idea.
The "powers that be" seem to want to implement a super socialistic society... and who better than Hilary Clinton with her army of feminist?
Why? Possibly because of control, by making women the front runners of society will inevitably make men weaker... thus easier to control. By pinning her against Donald Trump will leave most people no choice but to choose Hilary. In the end people need to stop voting and realize the government isn't here to progress humanity, but to merely contain, control, and make your life pointless.
>>51902341
Dumbfuck Amerifat detected
In the civilised world (i.e. Europe), ISIS has been killing our fucking people. Did you not hear the news of Paris over there? Or are you people just too fucking dumb to notice?
>>51902245
I thought the "let's contact bill gates thing" made him sound retarded, but you're totally right in principle. Trump doesn't know HOW it's going to be done at all. He sure knows how to get people that know how to do so though. Managing the people who can get the shit done is a valuable skill.
I do enjoy a good laugh at all these people who think Trump is a retard though. He's only wearing a fool's mask and they all fell for it, fueling the outrage culture that gets him publicity.
>>51902368
We have our problems over here at our border as well. Around 50,000 people have been killed by the drug cartels... yet I don't see America doing anything significant about it.
>>51902413
>yet I don't see America doing anything significant about it.
Yeah, that's the fucking problem in a nutshell that will spiral out with ISIS also. Our government WON'T enforce the god damn laws concerning border security, immigration, etc. That DHS whistleblower has put this into perspective, our president is more concerned with protecting foreigners than he is our own.
ISIS naturally has the spotlight in people's minds though because this shit is happening to places that aren't used to that shit. You think anyone blinks when a nigga gets shot in Detroit or Chicago? Same shit with the cartels, it's gotten so bad that people have gotten used to it in certain areas. They're both a problem, but one's new and shiny so it takes the spotlight.
>>51902413
Yep, and beer and fast food have killed alot of innocents too. Cops have killed more people than ISIS has in this country , for fucks sake.
>>51899869
>internet
>human right
>1st amendment means anything outside of the US
I want cucks to leave.
The U.S. is becoming everything I grew up being told was wrong with the Soviet Union.
The only thing missing is the Iron Curtain...
>>51902368
>civilized world
>Europe
>our internet
Kek
>>51898573
>You know, I don't want the bad guys to do bad things. I don't like that. We do good things in these United States. That's how it should be.
This is the next CiC. I didn't think it could get worse. ;_;
>>51902485
Either let everyone have more freedom and risk Isis attacks or give people no freedom and be somewhat safe from Isis... in the end the terrorist have won.
>>51902639
>The U.S. is becoming everything I grew up being told was wrong with the Soviet Union.
It's the nature of mankind. When the puritans came over to colonize America they tried their best to suppress joyful pleasures. What was the point when America became the most hyper sexualized nation the world has ever seen.
Small Loan Of A Million Dollars
>>51902639
>denying rights to countries that aren't us is communism
It's nationalism, you dipshit.
>>51902864
>Blocking perspectives that don't agree with the Fed/Wall St. narrative
That's not nationalism, it's controlling ideas.
You think they wouldn't block RT?
>>51902950
>blocking sandnigger countries is controlling ideas
>>51903010
Stupid duckposter.
>>51903010
>Calling censorship "cutting them off"
You probably fell for the patriot act BS too.
>>51902720
Enforcing our border and immigration laws doesn't limit the freedom of our own people, dipshit. We don't loose anything. There's no reason to give the same rights to non-citizens, it's fucking suicidal hippie shit.
When is this
>that's what the terrorists actually want!
meme going to fucking end?
>less than 4,000 US citizens died in terrorist attacks on US soil since 2000
>300,000 Americans die each year from obesity-related illness
>more Americans die every week from obesity than have died over 15 years of terrorism
>>51903078
>non-violent deaths are equatable to violent murders
>>51903097
It puts the "problem" of terrorism into perspective. When the government asks for new powers, keep in mind the actual scope of the problem they're trying to solve.
You should also be aware of how they use the powers they've already been awarded.
From 2006 to 2009, only 0.8 percent of sneak and peek warrants (15 out of 1,755) were used for counter-terrorism cases, the rest were for fraud or drugs. These numbers haven't really improved over recent years, despite expansion in the use of sneak-and-peek warrants. Only 0.5 percent of sneak-and-peek warrants were used for terror-related cases in 2013. From 2003 to 2006, the government issued 192,449 national security letters, which led to 1 terror-related conviction. The government currently issues about 60 NSLs a day.
"Counter-terrorism" laws are more often than not just huge farces that take advantage of the fear that terrorists put into people. Politicians eager to "confront terrorism" more often than not end up just being accomplices to the terrorists.
>>51903202
This.
What's even more ridiculous is some people here don't even seem to want to give new powers to the authorities and sacrifice part of their freedom out of fear or hope of improved security, they just do it because they are xenophobic.
Way to be both naive and bitter as fuck.
>>51903097
>firms poisioning you with bigmacs through adverts isnt violent murder
the persons who die from this may be retarded and deserve it, but its still murdering them
>our Internet as in US owned
This is what politicans actually believe.
>>51898778
>He only wants to shut down internet in countries like...
>>51899869
>WE NEED TO DEFEND THE RIGHTS OF OUR ENEMIES
What the fuck do you think an ENEMY is?
Cut off their telephone connections!
Cut off the mail!
etc etc
Whatever.
>>51903456
Are you saying cutting off communications isn't an extremely effective tactic?
>>51903473
do you even know how the internet works? you take down 'the internet' of a country and that is an act of war against that country, not just an act of war against isis.
grow a brain
>>51903423
>thinking they are your enemies
dont let yourself be controlled by the media man
>>51903511
>Implying shutting down communications around known ISIS encampments is hard or even remotely illegal
>Implying blocking terrorist websites is somehow immoral and "too far" when we've been seizing and shutting down shit like Mega and thousands of domain names on behalf of the MPAA/RIAA
>Implying Syria is in any condition to retaliate against the US
>>51903587
Most muslims believe in Sharia Law, meaning they are against the principles the US was founded on. They are fundamentally incompatible with the US and they have openly said they want to attack us. They are 100% an enemy of the United States.
They contribute to /b/ threads with original content, let them be
>>51903609
so you dont know how the internet works, glad to hear. fucking idiot, go back to /pol/ where people will play along
>>51903633
>the prinicples the US was found on
there you have your problem
and no, they dont.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYedKXpb5mo
he needs to "talk to a geek" to better explain what he's trying to do.
his tech-ignorance is showing and it's making difficult to understand if I agree with what he's doing.
>>51899422
>cuck
Is the filter gone, senpai?
>>51903665
Nice argument. I'm sorry you can't refute anything I said though. Let me guess, you think because seizing domain names doesn't take down the server that I MUST not know what I'm talking about right?
Or maybe you think I'm saying we should magically disable the Internet in Syria with a program or something because you're automatically building a strawman. It doesn't matter, because the fact is that ISIS is our enemy and we should be doing everything we can to stop them from recruiting online, even if it is pathetically easy to bypass. I'd love to see you argue against that instead of your lame namecalling.
The sheer amount of sycophants that line up to suck trump's cock around here is absurd.
>>51901355
I hate to be that guy, but they were going to do it anyway.
they tried playing nice and by the book twice, we told them no, but when the don't get their way, they just stop playing nice. fuck this government 2bh
>>51903609
>Implying shutting down communications around known ISIS encampments is hard or even remotely illegal
How exactly do you think the Internet works? I bet you think "shutting down communications" is done by firing an EMP pulse at their camp or something like that.
>Implying blocking terrorist websites is somehow immoral and "too far" when we've been seizing and shutting down shit like Mega and thousands of domain names on behalf of the MPAA/RIAA
So you were OK with that too? But seriously, websites such as 4chan would definitely be labeled as terrorist or potentially terrorist in a very short time if "the cyber police" had the power to censor globally. Just imagine some politician's daughter stumbling upon an Allahu Akbar meme and telling it to her parents. They would be all over news bitching about evil hacker-terrorist 4chan.
If such power was granted, everything could be blocked with appropriate interpretation and you know more things would be put into the "terrorism" category. It then becomes the problem of semantics, rather than legal problem.
>Implying Syria is in any condition to retaliate against the US
ISIS != Syria and Syrian people. Also there are other countries involved, this isn't a skirmish on a 2 player map.
>>51903778
NO SHIT YOU FUCKING IDIOT. you have no idea what it means to 'disable the internet' of an area that you dont control. if you know isis training camps you fucking bomb them you dont cut the fucking internet. these people are hiding in plain sight in regular towns with civilians, you can easily mask IP's to make your traffic seem to come from anywhere. you can easily use websites that arent labeled ISIS RECRUITMENT CENTER to stay stealth
i mean holy shit for a board that jerks off to privacy, you think that trump can magically call bill gates and get this shit sorted out? you have no fucking clue what you are talking about you dumb shit.
there isnt just one magical cable going into the country, there are many different ways of providing internet service and there are cell phones and satellites and all sorts of communications going on.
you are fucking ignorant and need to fuck off back to your circle jerk will people spout TUMP LE TRUMP like fucking tools without forming an actual thought
>>51899017
>>51903804
this is the the only place an actual discussion on trump is accepted. if you want a clinton / sanders hugbox go to reddit.
>>51901323
>Again, you're making the argument that if we don't point a loaded gun at our foot and pull the trigger, we won't shoot ourselves in the foot.
Uh. Yah.
>>51903943
The discussion here involves Trump supporters covering their ears refusing to accept facts when people try and call him out for saying something stupid.
No one would say it wouldn't be a bad idea, people are saying the idea is batshit retarded in practice.
>>51902245
Great in addition to those nasty ISIS sites, we also need to shut down those disgusting anti-Semitic sites. 4chan would be a great place to start.
>>51903943
Fuck off with your false choice bullshit. Just because I don't subscribe to the trump circle jerk doesn't mean I subscribe to theirs either.
Go back to /pol/ you fucking lackey waste of human.
>>51900703
>do i make fun of you for considering internet access a human right?
No but freedom of speech is. And he is curtailing that in those aforementioned countries.
>>51903943
That's because he's a fucking meme candidate, and 4chan's purpose is memes.
>>51903010
>blocking sandnigger countries is controlling ideas
But it is Donald. You're stopping the rest of the world being exposed to their ideas.
It would be like moot banning Australian shitposters.
>>51903858
>How exactly do you think the Internet works?
Maybe you should learn how it works first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_submarine_cable_disruption
On top of that do you think it'd be hard to destroy communications infrastructure in developing nations? Some war torn city in Syria isn't going to have a very robust connection to the Internet.
>So you were OK with that too?
No, but it's not even the same situation. One is about censorship, the other is about trying to make it hard for ISIS to recruit. Trying to protect your enemy's right to free speech is illogical.
>But seriously, websites such as 4chan would definitely be labeled as terrorist or potentially terrorist in a very short time if "the cyber police" had the power to censor globally.
They already do have the power and it's already been done on multiple occasions, all being overturned quickly. Maybe you should lurk a bit moar.
>If such power was granted
It's been granted for a long time now. Nothing has happened. Yes it's bad in principle but these kinds of legal powers already exist, so why would any sane person be against using them to fight our enemies?
>ISIS != Syria and Syrian people. Also there are other countries involved, this isn't a skirmish on a 2 player map.
Exactly. They are in no position to take on the US. Do you honestly believe Russia would start fighting the US if we were destroying cell towers and ISP infrastructure in ISIS territory? I bet they're doing that themselves right now.
>>51903976
I'm sure sanders and clinton supporters are very open minded to when someone brings up something negative about them.
>>51903996
nice emotional response. no real content here. post discarded.
>>51904008
true enough.
>>51904043
LALALALA I can't hear you over the cacophonous gargling of trump's semen among the gaggle of 4chan shit posters that pretend they have a clue.
does anyone have a link to his actual plan?
I'd be okay with not allowing Isis servers to access american servers for a short time, but just shutting off some one's internet access, I'm not okay with.
>>51904074
that is some serious projecting. I didn't know they made bulbs that bright.
>>51904043
Holy shit you truly are a /pol/ tool if whenever someone calls out a stupid idea they must be a LE LIBRAL XD
jesus christ, grow a brain and stop trying to cover up for a retarded idea. these threads always fucking start with people saying how stupid of an idea it is in practice, and right on fucking queue people like you come in trying to defend it and trying to change the fucking focus of the thread. nice slide attempt you shill
Can't stump the trump
>>51904087
dude the entire point of these threads is saying that idea is fucking impossible. i mean holy shit do you even read your post before you click submit?
>>51899869
Nothing wrong with that desu.
>>51904102
I didn't imply anyone was a liberal, I was pointing out there's a confirmation bias' on both sides.
How do people keep falling for this shit? Do they really tgink that twitter spreads more terrorism than the US? Failed US policy is the major cause of extremism in the region. We've been proping up dictators and oppressive governments in the region since at least the 1960's. Flooding Syria with weapons and mercenaries in an attempt to overthrow Assad backfired in our face.
Don't forget that we were for Assad before we were against him. Syria was one of the largest recipients of the "extraordinary rendition" program where we outsourced torture of "enemy combatants", one of whom was a Canadian citizen.
I strongly believe that if a large foreign power were interfering in our region, US citizens would behave in the same manner.
>>51904042
> Trying to protect your enemy's right to free speech is illogical.
You protect their right to free speech because if you don't, when it comes time to protect your right to free speech, you don't have a leg to stand on.
>>51904142
these threads are about how the comments stated by him are fucking virtually impossible in practice, and how stupid it is to say.
that is it, if you want to try and dodge the actual content go ahead
>>51904042
Ok, I'm done arguing here. Enjoy being cyber-policed because you done goofed.
>>51904202
that's not what the discussion was about tho, so
>>51904236
thats what it started as, until shills like yourself come in and try to slide it away
>>51898778
>He only wants to shut down internet in countries like Iran, syria, etc
What the fuck does he think he is? The emperor of the fucking world?
>>51904190
You're violating all sorts of human rights when you go to war. You're knowingly killing people, crushing an opposing group and possibly/intentionally suppressing their ideology. Don't forget prisoners of war. That's just how war works.
I'd like to hear you explain how you go to war with someone while protecting their right.
>>51904395
You go to war with states. Are you legitimizing ISIS by acknowledging it as a state? You can get arrested for supporting them, you know.
>>51902368
>Europe
>Civilized
And yet you're the only ones with a Muslim problem LOL
>>51904411
>You go to war with states. Are you legitimizing ISIS by acknowledging it as a state?
As far as they're concerned they're legitimate. What difference does it make if everyone else thinks otherwise? Most people realize that ISIS being legitimate would be a bad thing however, which is why we want to go to war with them.
>You can get arrested for supporting them, you know.
If you're actually, truly supporting them then you are committing treason. It's not that complicated.
If you're talking about edge lords on facebook then I doubt those numbers are higher than single digits.
>>51904395
So you've never heard of war crimes? Countries supposedly respect their own values when they engage in wars, so they obviously don't murder civilians and don't disable their whole infrastructure for the same reason. It's always been hard to distinct between an intervention and occupation in practice, but intervention should be done for the civilians of the foreign country, in theory at least.
Also, this: >>51904411
>>51901019
>they're humans
Bombniggers aren't humans
>>51904186
Are you ignoring all the gingers and autists over the past few years who went from places like Ireland and Australia to go fight in ISIS? ISIS is absolutely using shit like Twitter to try and recruit people.
No shit the US is the ultimate cause of the instability, but it's too late for anything to be done about that.
>>51904488
pls cuck me donny
>>51899422
>cuck
what?
any redditors here who will vote for bernie :)
>>51904342
What's stopping him? If we're going to go to war in Syria then limiting ISIS's ability to communicate is one of the most obvious things we'd be doing. It isn't exactly hard to destroy communication infrastructure in shit hole countries.
>>51904488
>double dubs
I guess I have no choice.
pls cuck me donny
>>51904578
Except it is. They'll still have internal network anyway.
>>51904488
Please cuck me donny
>>51904577
Yes to half of that. Not a redditor. Liked burnie way before the Reddit machine got behind him. Socialism plus capitalism is the only way to fly
>>51904474
Actually communication lines are legitimate military targets, so it doesn't count as a war crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimate_military_target
>>51904629
And? The point is to cripple them as much as possible. Of course they'll have satellite internet if we destroy land based communication and of course they'll have Tor if we take down their servers, but the harder it is for them to operate online the better off we are. You don't destroy roads and airfields and expect them to starve to death, they're just going to have a harder time getting the supplies they need. The same logic applies here.
>>51904488
plese cuck me donny
>>51904488
>tfw yuro friends rooting for trump because he'll crash our country faster than any of the other candidates
>>51904488
pls cuck me donny
If you support Donald Trump or you actually are Donald Trump, kill yourself slow and painfully. Hang yourself with barbedwire.
>>51904531
The foreign recruitment is miniscule. Ultimately, the US has to alter its foreign policy if it wants peace, which is a big if. Playing whack-a-mole with twitter isn't going to address the disease, to say nothing of the way it erodes even more civil liberties.
I'm just going to leave this here.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/05/newly-declassified-u-s-government-documents-the-west-supported-the-creation-of-isis.html
>>51904722
It's funny, but they keep electing worse and worse people.
I wish Zizek would be a candidate next time, he's an epic meme man like Trump, but at least is not completely retarded and shekel-cucked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrP7e-Pg-Hg
>>51904848
The only people who get this upset by Trump are people who probably only know of him through the news.
>>51904488
>>51904883
pls cuck me donny
>>51904883
the exact same can be said about his supporters
>>51904924
No it can't because Trump constantly talks about how corrupt the media is. The uniformed of the Trump supporters would just ignore all the media is general.
>>51904883
I don't buy into Faux News, Communist News Network, etc. You should kill yourself though.
>>51904952
Clearly you're drinking someone's koolaid if you're upset by Trump so much.
>>51904488
>>51904951
>cable news is the only form of media
pls cuck me donny
>>51902245
>So Trump said "let's contact Bill Gates" - you think that makes him dumb? No, he's just too busy to care about the minutiae of how this is done. Why should he concern himself with the nitty gritty? He's the guy in charge, not the grunt who does the dirty work
It belies a lack of understanding of the problem he purports to hold a solution for.
>>51904951
right, the informed smart people like yourself simply go straight to the source! anything posted on his website and what comes out of his mouth is 100% factually correct! in no way would be broad generalizations pandering to emotion
>>51904981
>Clearly you're drinking someone's koolaid if you're upset by Trump so much.
Clearly you're drinking someone's koolaid if you're not upset by Trump, even just a little bit.
>>51904883
I don't watch the news. I watched the debates and /pol/.
I think it's great he upsets the establishment and media so much, but presidential material, he's not.
He's probably a Clinton shill to distract from Sanders' anti status quo message.
>>51904987
lol, but Anon, understanding the subject you're talking about is the nitty gritty dirty work.
Politics is creative art inspired by your genius, God and shekels.
>>51898811
How about we shut down the internet in whatever third world socialist shithole you reside in instead?
Trump will be president whether you libshits like it or not.
>>51904982
Yes HuffPo and Briebart are totally less biased than MSNBC and Fox, right?
You know what "uniformed" means, right?
>>51905020
You can listen to his speeches and fact check what he says you know. It's not hard to look up pew polls on Muslims or crime statistics.
>>51905035
And why is that?
>>51904488
please cuck me donny.
>>51905067
watching the debates is fine, that is the only real place to see everyone at once. but if you are trying to say you get your opinions from /pol/ like that is something to aid you, you are literally a fucking tool and no better than anyone else you try to make fun of or discredit
>>51898921
he has proven before that the internet subject is not his cup of tea. so the statement he made now and then shows that he is in no way familiar how the structure of "the internet" work
>>51905071
>third world socialist shithole
>libshit
Calm down, bro. It's not your fault you were born in Ameristan.
so which candidate has the most sane internet/encryption/technology policy?
>>51905070
Do you know what a presidential cabinet is?
Maybe you should take your own advice.
>>51905070
>dudes, vote me in, i'll fix this global warming bullshit
>i'll ring al gore, he'll get it done in a week, maybe 2, tops
>>51905112
Tie between Sanders and Paul. Everyone else is running on a platform of
>lol stop the turrurists
>>51905067
Read his books.
>>51904488
pls cuck me donny
>>51904856
I didn't know who this guy was until watching a stream of some talk in London with him the other day
but he seems like a pretty stand up guy
and has an outrageous beard.
you guys think he is the shit.... yea he might have $$$$$$ but shit is going to become this country if he becomes president, people open you eyes, this is going to be Berlin all over again
>>51905095
So you're against people judging him on his speeches, how incorrect his facts are, and what news outlets think of him, what we think of him. What are we supposed to do to form an opinion on him to please you?
>>51905100
You can see the type of people that support him on /pol/.
Just like looking at where the Hildebeasts money is coming from.
>>51905134
Meh. I listened to his intro for one of them
>our best ally, Israel
Wat?
>make America great
>make America great
Just a bunch of rhetoric.
>>51901837
Estonia too
>>51905173
USA is such a corporatocracy that people are perfectly willing to vote in a buffoon instead of another corporate pawn.
.
>>51905183
>So you're against people judging him on his speeches, how incorrect his facts are, and what news outlets think of him, what we think of him.
Quote me verbatim where I said that. I'll wait.
>>51904488
>>51905202
>buying himself the election with his billions of dollars instead of taking donations from regular people
>not having vested interests
pls cuck me donny
>>51905194
>Just a bunch of rhetoric.
this, desu. "I'll bring back the good old days!" "I'll implement a bunch of impossible, feel-good policies!" "I'll tell you what you want to hear!"
okay
I can get that from anybody Donald
and other people don't have your hair
>>51905202
Idiocracy good movie..
but that is what we are becoming. sad
>>51905095
>>>51904982
>Yes HuffPo and Briebart are totally less biased than MSNBC and Fox, right?
>You know what "uniformed" means, right?
>>>51905020
>You can listen to his speeches and fact check what he says you know. It's not hard to look up pew polls on Muslims or crime statistics.
>>>51905035 (You)
>And why is that?
>>51905202
Because you clearly keep informed on American politics.
>>51905237
How does any of that support your previous post? That's a rhetorical question because it doesn't. I never said anything you claimed and you just proved that. If you're informed you'll have seen his rallies, seen how the media spun what he said, be it for or against him.
>>51899869
The culture of Rights is shit anyway.
>>51905311
Biggest pls cuck me donny of this whole thread.
>>51899448
That's is not a slippery slope.
>>51905165
The guy is a legend, even though he can be a contrarian sometimes just to shock people.
The Pervert's Guide to Ideology was quite entertaining:
https://vimeo.com/128518176
>>51899869
You mean like Obama and Hillary have done? Did you forget who took Bush's bad situation and made it into what it is now?
>>51903865
THEN HOW COME MY WHOLE TOWN'S INTERNET GOES OUT WHEN THERE'S AN ICE STORM?
WE JUST CUT PIPES GOING INTO SYRIA AND THEN THEY CAN ONLY HAVE AN INTERNET WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY AND WHO WANTS TO SURF SYRIAN WEBSITES LOL?
>>51902368
Why would they not be killing your people when you're at war with them?
Maybe question your government on why they keep talking about "terorism" when you're actually at war with another country?
Maybe question them why it is the civillians that have to pay the price? Did the people who died in the paris attacks even knew what they were dying for?
>>51905367
Don't be racist anon.
>>51904488
pls cuck me donny
>>51905367
Just because you live in a shithole of a town doesn't mean all Syrians do too.
>>51902098
Rand is the bet guy running, he's for stronger immigration standards, ending the drug war, and having a non-retarded foreign policy.
He's a he's a civil libertarian, a foreign policy relaist, and an economic conservative.
>>51902341
The thing is, once these things get out of hand, they tend to radicalize and grow. ISIS wasn't even talked about a couple years ago. Now look at it, theres a new terrorist group every other month. Crime is fairly stable. You have to look at long run growth.
>>51905330
Well, that was two hours of my life. I'm not even sure I got most of it.
But he's such a swell guy to listen to.
