So where is the line for water cooling > noctua d-15?
I keep seeing it perform better than water coolers and also at the same time comments that the radiator fans are louder than the noctua under heavy loads
Is this eyesore just flat out the best option or what?
http://www.relaxedtech.com/reviews/noctua/nh-d15-versus-closed-loop-liquid-coolers/1
The D15 is so good it triggers clc babbies who rant and rave their product - which only cools better when making more noise - is somehow superior to the cheaper D15.
For a second I thought you were talking about real water cooling.
>>51884158
>49c delta at 45dB
Now, I haven't bothered to overclock my 4790k yet (although they haven't pushed theirs very far) but doing the same test (Prime95) I'm at a 39c delta and around 30dB with two idling 290s in the same loop.
>>51884397
Reviewers really should test high end coolers (be it air or clc tripe) on a 9590 - that would seperate the men from the boys.
>that sexy engineering masterpiece
>eyesore
Just no.
>>51884853
>brown on tan
at least make it black or something, it sticks out of anything you put together
>>51884883
You can slap on their industrial or redux fans if your heart so desires.
Actually I bet with industrial fans the D15 would outperform the somewhat unknown silver arrow IB-E Extreme (the one with the gaudy orange fans). That bests a D15 by sheer rpm on the fans.
>>51884940
And make it even louder. It cools well enough for most, no point making it unnecessarily louder.
>>51884989
Noctua fans aren't even that quiet unless you use LNA and at that point you might as well stick a cougar fan on it because it'll push more air harder at a lower noise.
>>51884940
the D15 uses 150mm fans, redux and industrial are 140mm
You buy a CLC cooler then put noctuas on it.
>>51885058
>not watercooling your radiator
>>51885047
The NF-A15 uses 120mm mounts for a 150mm fan diameter. Anything with 120mm mounts will fit.
>>51885079
they might fit but you are sacrificing performance for fan color at that point
>>51885103
Thermalright makes some very good black/white 140mm fans, Phanteks has a whole bunch of different colors for their 140mm fans with 120mm mounts (which also happens to be very good).
>>51885023
Quieter than most. Though not for a cpu but a gpu its a motherfucker to get a high performance fan that sits on a radiator that doesn't sound like a jet engine. Take those Vardar fans - the F5 model packs some impressive specs but spins at 3000rpm or something.
Pic is my cpu cooler cooling an 8320e at 4.7ghz (1.428v).
Coming from someone who has built tons of loops it's not practical at all to build a loop. Unless the idea of tinkering with you computer a lot to get everything right is appealing to you get a 240 ClC and be done with it.
>>51885162
>70 fucking decibels at full speed
>not a jet engine
>>51885197
That's pretty sexy anon.
>>51885197
God damn, that looks nice.
>>51885023
full load OC noctua runs at 39 decibels, which is nothing
>>51885162
>>51885202
Oh wait, I think I misunderstood. Did you use the vardar as an example of what /does/ sound like a jet engine? And seriously, look at Cougar's fans.
>>51885252
That's loud as shit when you're used to 17db fans.
>>51885235
>>51885246
Thanks Anons, working sleeving and lighting now. Also gonna change what that bottom plate out because the plastic I used always looks dusty even when it's not.
Like I said though 100% impractical but I like to tinker on things so I keep doing it even though I always think "this is my last loop" I keep coming back for one more build
>>51885278
It's like a light breeze dude, stop being so sensitive
You should be gaming with headphones on anyway
>>51885278
> Did you use the vardar as an example of what /does/ sound like a jet engine?
Indeed. Right now i've got two SP120's cooling my beast of a gpu but i'm sure I can do better.
Though I did hear Nidec are making those legendary fans again (the naming escapes me right now).
>>51885318
Nah, I'll take nearly silent and literally 1C hotter temps than a "light" breeze constantly droning.
>>51885350
>1C difference compared to a noctua
absolutely not possible unless you have a processor so shit that it doesn't matter
When you are running chips like the 5930k there will be a much larger disparity
>>51885278
Loudest thing in my rig is the hard drives >>51885197 is my rig.
Waiting on 5tb SSD to be affordable or till I stop being lazy and put cat6 in the wall and run a home NAS
>>51885344
Gentle Typhoons?
There's one on the Fury X stock cooler iirc.
In my testing noise blocker was quieter and provided lower temps then any other fan
>>51885475
Which Noiseblocker fans? They have multiple series.
>>51885386
>processor so shit
A 4670k at 4.0 GHZ and an evo 212. Turning even my fans from dead silent to full blast only gives me like a 1-3 degree difference. In fact for shits and giggles, I turned my CPU fan off about 7 minutes ago to see what my temps would be with all my other fans on minimum. It's not even breaking 39c
>>51885289
if i'm using compression fittings do you think i could be in the safe zone to plug everything in again after leak testing my build for around 5 hours? i want to give my self at least 2 hours of build time, 30 minutes of dedicated de-air bubbling and then 5 hours of having the loop running to check for leaks.
if it's just safer to run for 24 hours before plugging everything back in then i most likely will.
>>51885432
Thats the one - I know they are highly rated as fans but have been unavailable for purchase for a couple years.
>>51885489
Black silent pro and mulit frame are my picks Nloops are good but make funny sounds when in pull on a radiator. Always run pull on my rads so the rad acts as the dust filter
>>51885522
I only leak test for 10 minutes tops. If you are only using clear fluid make sure to check real real good as a leak would be hard to see. Also if you have any rotary fittings make sure to check them, had about 5 rotary fittings from bits power leak out of the baggie
>>51885515
>4.0 GHZ
*4.2
>>51885515
Try doing that running prime 95.
>>51885556
I was looking at getting some 140mm BlacksilentPros for my rig, glad to hear they do live up to their name. Did you run them horizontally as well, or only vertical?
>>51885583
What happened to that 5930k you were boasting about?
>AMD
No wonder you need every last watt of cooling you can get.
>>51885515
How about you actually overclock it and come back
If you aren't pushing it to where it is getting up to 60-70 degrees then why are you even posting
>>51885603
Different anon yo.
>>51885607
>800MHz above stock isn't an overclock
It's not hot because it's idling you idiot.
>>51884586
this desu, poop fans and heatsinks are really overpriced not to add they looks like shit, literally
>>51885594
Both, check out my rig here >>51885197
I've used the 140mm PK-1 and it is below ambient noise in my room. I like the Silent Pro line on rads and the mutieframe for everything else.
>>51885650
Multiframes aren't available in 140mm, sadly. Looks like I might go with some PK-2s for my rig then, thanks.
>>51885676
Ah, never noticed before, used PK1 on a 280mm rad before and was very pleased. I'd urge you to try the PK1s over the PK2s. I cooled a CPU and GPU with only a 280rad and 2 PK1s.
>>51885289
>Like I said though 100% impractical
I wouldn't say that, less noise can be very valuable to some people. I have no regrets at all about the money I spent on my loop, when I think back to how loud my air cooling shit was in the past.
Not saying all air cooling is loud, if you're only pulling like 3-400w then building a loop is pretty dumb (unless you have very sensitive hearing or do audio work I suppose), but I'm not exactly running low powered stuff.
>>51885522
24 hours is excessive, but feel free to do it if you're paranoid. Generally if shit isn't leaking after 5 hours (I'd say a couple at minimum, 10 minutes is a bit short) then it likely never will within the lifetime of the computer unless something is faulty (in which case it'll probably take months and won't show in a leak test).
>>51885607
>>51885583
75C with all fans at 50% load since that's the lowest it will let me test at those temps.
>>51885640
Jesus christ, it goes without saying that you post under load temps, not idle
Any cooler in the world can keep idle at reasonable temps, let's see how well that cheap piece of shit you own does with your cores at 100%
>>51885708
The main difference between them is just the RPM, right? I'll probably be running them at 7v using my case's fan controller, but I like to have some reserve in cooling potential for if I really start putting some load on my 290. My rig's all on air, you see.
>>51885728
Well sure but we live in the age of really good ClC and low TPU GPUs. Would a ClC and a quality GPU with that zero fan stuff be anymore quiet at idle? Granted at load I will win out as my fans don't change speed ever and temps max out at like 50 for the cpu and 45 for the gpu
>>51885748
hahahaha
See, there is where it actually matters
>on the verge of burning out at 50% load
A noctua d-15 would keep it at 70 under 100%, are you done?
>>51885753
Yes but a lot of fans (maybe even all fans) make more noise (no matter how slight) when under volted. Normally it;s a high pitched whine, the worst noise a fan can make IMO
>>51885749
see
>>51885748
I'd also like to point out that I never said their cooler was shit, I said their fans are loud and that they do very little to your temps for a lot more noise.
>>51885770
>>on the verge of burning out at 50% load
My FANS were at 50% load you tard not the CPU which was at 100%.
i love how the noctuna poopfan is such a good fan, that people continue to use it even though its poop-brown
thats when you know you made a good product when you can make it the color of a loamy turd and people will still willingly use it because its so good
>GPU is screaming like it's on fire
>it probably is
>re-apply thermal paste
>furmark barely makes it reach 65 degrees
The fucking thermal paste was literally rock
Also CLC's are a meme unless you don't have space for a proper aircooler.
>>51885790
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfo6T8lODe8
As far as I can tell from this video they undervolt quite gracefully, unlike the eLoops which whine when undervolted.
>>51885770
With again FANS at 100% load, it's at 65c. I'm also using speccy and it reads 5c hotter than any of my other programs, including the one built into the motherboard.
>>51885831
And they do but they are slightly louder when under volted. Doesn't show well on that video and I am be a crazy man for noticing it but undervolted fans seem to always have a whine to them that fully volted fans dont
>>51885770
>75c
>burning out
>intel
>burning out at 75c
They don't even throttle till 90c.
>>51885833
>4670k
Hey is that CPU unlocked?
>>51885881
>>4670k
>k
yup
>>51885881
>k
Yes.
>>51885877
You do not want it running steady at 80 or more, that is just lowering it's lifespan
>>51885924
Well obviously, but it's not going to get that hot unless you're doing that extreme test prime 95 has or your case has literally no airflow.
>>51885887
>>51885890
Are you samefagging on different computers?
lol
>>51885924
I have never ever seen a CPU break. Where did this retarded notion come from?
It's the constant change in temperature that will have an effect on the lifespan(if it's a real thing lmao), not a constant high one.
>>51885938
nah, it's just 4chan being a hivemind
>>51885938
Why on earth would I do that to say yes twice to a basic question?
>>51885940
You can most certainly fry a CPU anon. If you don't believe us, take your heatsink off.
>>51885940
higher heats cause components to fail, why do you even think they have cooling mechanisms in the first place you fucking idiot
>>51885197
if you already went to this much trouble why didn't you get a motherboard that has fittings for the northbridge?
>>51885960
It should throttle and eventually shut itself down when it reaches ~90° though, right? Modern CPUs should do that, at least.
The thing I don't understand is if you're doing a high-end-but-not-custom-loop-high-end build why would you buy a clc instead of buying a giant slab of metal like the OP's image and have a cooler that will last as long as you can mount it? With a clc you're adding more points of failure to your system and if it kicks the bucket you're out of a pc until you RMA it(assuming you don't have a spare cooler handy).
>>51885960
>You can most certainly fry a CPU anon. If you don't believe us, take your heatsink off.
PC won't boot. That's about it.
>>51885974
CPU lifespans are measured in decades if you didn't know. By the time it fails it will be outdated.
>>51885995
>b-but water cooling
kids think that if you add water to the equation that somehow it cools better.
meanwhile the cooling mechanism is the exact same.
>>51885960
>take your heatsink off.
You do know that will just make the computer shut off when the CPU reaches a certain temp?
Running at 80c regularly (it's not like it'll be at that temp for 12 hours a day) won't do shit. Sure it may technically reduce the life span by a measurable amount, but we're talking about durations far beyond the expected usage time.
If you really want to kill a CPU then turn up the voltage.
>>51885995
Well FOR THE MOST PART, clc just does a better cooling job than air cooling
But specifically the Noctua D-15 is better than pretty much all of them, which is kind of the point of the entire thread
>>51885987
That doesn't mean you haven't caused damage to it if it happens constantly. Once or twice might not be a big deal, but repeatedly and you'll kill your CPU in a year.
>>51885995
Because people are retarded.
>mfw one of the admins in an old clan I was in told people to spend $100 on a fucking CLC when a $20 212 would do them just as good
>especially when most of these people were not planning to overclock ever and were even going to buy a locked CPU
>>51884883
The color is their marketing gimmick.
Very few other bits go with it so it stands out.
>>51886063
they don't need a gimmick, they make the best fan coolers in the world
>>51886050
>Well FOR THE MOST PART, clc just does a better cooling job than air cooling
This is just fucking false. Any air cooler in the same price tier will cool just as well as a watercooler and not be noisy at it.
>>51886057
>That doesn't mean you haven't caused damage to it if it happens constantly. Once or twice might not be a big deal, but repeatedly and you'll kill your CPU in a year.
This doesn't happen. Like at all. Unless you turn up the voltage of course.
>>51886077
That's not bequiet though.
>>51886050
Given there are 3 or 4 coolers which are dangerously close to dethroning the D15 (example: R1 ultimate) nearly every reason to own a clc is void.
>>51886082
>This doesn't happen. Like at all
Stop being retarded. Heat will destroy anything and if it can't get out through the cooler, it will go elsewhere into places it shouldn't.
>>51886087
show me a bequiet cpu cooler that outperforms a D-15
I'll wait
>>51885197
Specs? on the case and components you used to build the radiator, tubing, and reservoir
>>51886115
The safety temperature is lower then the temperature at which they get damaged.
I fucking superglued a Pentium 4 netburst housefire piece of shit to a shitty heatsink and that CPU still works today despite running over 70 degrees constantly(they failed at like 85 or something
It smells like it's on fire too
>>51886115
The computer shuts itself off immediately once it reaches a temp limit, that limit will be just below what can cause significant damage. Hitting 95c or whatever the limit is for a fraction of a second isn't going to do shit to the CPU, even if you do it 100 times a day like some sort of retard. Even then, that's absolutely nothing like hitting 80c under a synthetic load.
>>51884586
My ek block, d5, and 120*360*80mm rad handle a 9590 like a champ.
I agree whole heatedly though. Liquid cooling excels when faced with a very high heat load. While a 4790k can generate high temperatures, the amount of heat energy being put out is significantly less than the 9590. While that is a great thing, better performance for less heat output, it really wouldn't tax a cooking solution as much. Or they could go all actual science and test the delta t with a calibrated thermal load.
>>51886122
I could have sworn the Pro 3 was better or at least equal, what the fuck is this voodoo magic Noctua did? Is their heatsink bigger?
>>51886190
The D15 is HUGE, in every direction. The Pro 3 is a bit smaller.
I paid $20 for my 212 EVO, and it's been doing everything that I've wanted a cooler to do for the past few years
>>51886190
bigger heatsink for sure, along with bigger fans
If you want it you should probably have a full case
Is it even worth getting a D15 instead of the D14? 20 euro's seems a lot for minor difference. It's like paying premium prices
>>51886212
>>51886205
Sheeit
I've definitely got the room, I just have no need for one. Never get above like 50 with what I do.
>>51884940
>Actually I bet with industrial fans the D15 would outperform the somewhat unknown silver arrow IB-E Extreme (the one with the gaudy orange fans). That bests a D15 by sheer rpm on the fans.
The Thermalright managed to be cheaper AFAIK.
>>51886099
The D15 was supposedly a response to how the R1 Ultimate was blowing the fuck out of the D14.
>>51885583
You hit 70°C. Max safe temps for the FX lineup is ~65.
>>51884016
Im not getting a poo in loo in my case
I'll pick 1 of these 2
>>51884586
>that would seperate the men from the boys.
>>51886467
Try this. Not much more expensive than the CM.
![scythe_fuma_double[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t5q9ecM.jpg "scythe_fuma_double[1].jpg")
>>51886467
>not based Fuma
>>51886510
sad nobody is selling that in my 3rd world country
>>51886545
I can get one in my 3rd world country.
cooler CPU: Scythe (SCBSK 2100) Big Shuriken 2 Rev. B
cooler CPU: Scythe (SCKTN 4000) Katana 4
cooler CPU: Scythe (SCKZT 1000) Kozuti
cooler CPU: Scythe (SCMG 4000) Mugen 4
I would have checked that out if there was one available
But this is the only scythe related products in my country
>>51886571
Enjoy your bent CPU.
>>51886571
Can confirm Mugen 4 is nice on my 4690k, pain to setup though
>clc
>>51886622
That only is for pre-built and powertools usage
>>51886677
Yeah, fuck people that don't want a gigantic ugly cooler that dumps all their cpu heat into the case.
>>51886383
Nah - AMD has never stated what the upper limit is for FX chips and their own AOD software has Tjmax coincide with 70c. I can even claw back more thermal headroom if I open the case vent above the front cpu fan/ram slots.
Piledriver/vishera chips take serious levels of abuse - the motherboard is far more likely to give out before the chip does.
Pic is something I took for an old thread.
>>51886971
>the motherboard is far more likely to give out before the chip does.
Dead VRM memes are real.
D15 owner here.
My 4790k @ 4.7 ghz idles at 26c, and gaming is usually around 45c with a few exceptions. It's quiet as hell, and I love it.
I considered going full Watercooling loop, but opted out because it was going to be minimal gains at best for a couple hundred bucks more money. Don't regret my decision.
>>51887049
You try slamming 200w through a motherboard and see what happens. Luckily my own motherboard (which isn't rated for it lol) has some additional cooling provided by a spare stock fan I had lying around.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zTzpYjQ2MM
>>51885318
>You should be gaming with headphones on anyway
Fuck you and your family for trying to tell me how to play games.
Watercoolers are memes. Only reason you should ever want one is the cool looks and heatsink height restrictions for your case.
Also when you have a problem with a watercooler, enjoy your liquid destroying pc parts. With air coolers you have no chance of breaking your computer.
God air coolers are also generally quieter AND cooler AND they cost less than a decent water cooler.
Watercooling is figuratevely pretty cool, but not literally.
>>51885984
water cooling the chipset is uneeded and tacky
>not embracing the poo
>>51889710
This.
No love for Phantek?
Same performance as D14, SilverArrow, Genesis, but cheaper.
>>51890060
Ph tc14pe master race. Can confirm, they're based as FUCK for the price.
>>51890083
same, too bad their fans are shit.
TY147 mustard race
>>51886206
yeah cause u have a shit cpu lmfao
>>51884016
D15 is easily overtaken by CLCs.
>>51891180
that are louder and more expensive, yes
>>51891324
And have a half-life.
Don't forget that, very important.
>Pay premium
>Dies in a few years due to shit pump bearings and closed design
>>51891324
>D15
>Generally requires a full size tower
>Huge ass "gaming rig" with a big TDP
>you're not going to be going below ambient so don't kid yourself
>expecting it to be quiet
>>51892307
Yeah look at all those microATX that allow 280 rads and are silent, too.
Fuck off, you're not using that space anyway, despite microATX or other similar form factors generally being skimped on my features or more expensive since they're a fad.
>>51892307
>You need huge power requirements to want silence
Funnily enough, those D15 owners can run silent. I bet you didn't know that, whilst defending high FPI solutions that require equally high pressure fans to move air.
>>51885197
>backplate for graphics card
>it still sags
kek
>>51889988
Disgusting
I hope you dont have a window type case
I dont want to see that poo everytime I use my PC
me and my brother fucked his 8320 trying to put an antec CLC on it. my zallman air cooler was easy as fuck by comparison and will probably cool just as well. antec has such a shitty design for mounting, whats the point of spring loaded screws if the mount itself has to flex 5mm to put the fucking screws in
has anyone built a loop out of those cheap ass fittings and pumps off aliexpress? I get that the block should be decent, and you usually get what you pay for but i'm curious to see just how crap they are
>>51886971
the tj max of fx cpus isn't even 70, it's like 95 but the fans will ramp up like crazy as soon as it hits 70
>>51891324
You can buy the Seidon 120V and replace the fan with Noctua fans and still come out cheaper than the D15
The Seidon 120V is £37.98 on Amazon
while the D-15 is £69.99
>>51893928
That seidon is a 120mm rad - it WON'T outperform the D15. Remember the D15 competes against 240 and those rare 280mm units.
>>51884016
Water coolers are complete garbage and not needed at all. There is no hardware out there that requires these glorified pieces of shit over an air cooler aside from - MAYBE - a clusterfuck of many GPUs because you were stupid enough to buy some amd housefire and crossfire them in a shitty motherboard without any space between the PCIe slots.
I use one (h60) but that's because I've got a mini itx build with serious space constraints.
You can buy whatever fancy fan you want but it won't change the fact that the pump will always - ALWAYS - be noisy no matter what. I've tried some air coolers and had a xigmatek dark knight II before, which is a shitty low end air cooler, and they are a blessing. You never hear a single fucking peep at all and I can only imagine noctua ones must be even better.
Water cooling is just MAXIMUM GAYMURR bait for ricers.
>>51894103
It looks nice but that's pretty much it. That extra .2 on the overclock also won't really make a difference.
I got an 8350 at 5ghz and three gtx 670s in sli. Connected to a radbox with three 360mm radiators and Im using 9 noctua fans on the radiators. The thing is near silent and works great. A year ago I was using an h100i with 2 stock fans and the sound from them was ridiculously loud.
>>51893965
read >>51891180
>>51894800
>49dba vs 54dba
>1.1 degree delta between coolers
>>51885790
>>51885870
That's probably the PWM frequency you're hearing.
When I've undervolted fans with DC voltage(like connecting it straight to a 5V line) I've never experienced any whine.
When PWM is at 100%(ie. at "full voltage") it's practically DC voltage. The whine is an inherent problem with your fan controllers, not with the fans themselves.
>>51888093
>enjoy your liquid destroying pc parts
There is such a thing as non-conducting liquid, you know. In fact even distilled water won't wreck your components if your computer decides to piss itself.
A bit late but
1. Noctua D14
2. Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO
3. don't bother there ain't anything but 1 or 2.
>>51894599
Such a huge amount of wasted energy. Sell your rig and build a new one already, specially since 2-way SLI is already garbage, three is borderline useless.
No love for the TS140P?
>dead quiet
>competes with the D14, only single tower
>looks nice
>costs the same as a Mugen
>>51897115
At least crossfire scales.
>>51897330
Yeah, it's better, but only in the sense that it stinks less because frankly multi-GPU is plain out shit. PC gaming already has it shares of troubles with shitty unoptimized titles and multi-GPU usage just makes everything worse and support for it is wonky at best. Here's hoping dx12 makes it work as good as it sounds like.
>>51897364
¯\(°_o)/¯
>>51897115
I'll probably be upgrading in the following months. Waiting for what zen will offer before deciding if it will be an intel or amd build. I can probably stretch the gpus until the next gen with pascal coming out.
>>51892307
>>expecting it to be quiet
Do you not understand how decibels work? An increase of 10db increases perceived loudness by likes 300%
>>51894842
Except the CM Seidon 120V is almost half the price of the D15 and even if you replaced the loud stock fan with Noctua fans it'll still be cheaper, and perform better.
>>51884016
im using stock everything with one case fan and everything is cold
>>51898449
Compare it when tested on a real nuclear cpu-
http://www.dvtests.com/cooler-master-seidon-120v-test-and-review/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=cooler-master-seidon-120v-test-and-review
http://www.dvtests.com/noctua-nh-d15-test-and-review/
>>51898501
Oh speccy you card~
On my AmaymayD the top for NH-D15 was 4.8ghz with temps under 80 degrees.
I belive with water cooling I could achieve 5ghz stable.
>>51898608
Depending on motherboard an 8320 + mobo + D15 can easily cost less than what a 4790 alone sells for. This always tickles me.
>>51898652
And winters are cold.
So its a win win.
I can no longer feel my fingers but at least i can overclock
Y'know, if it wasn't for the damp just for laughs i'd like to sit my pc outside in the winter with the side panel off and see how much temps drop.
>>51898734
You got the potential.
1.45v all the way my friend.
Gotta keep warm.
>>51898765
I did it.
Temps were down fast.
>>51898765
>>51898812
>>51898831
Thats just hilarious.
Anyone use a cyroig cooler?
So is the cooler master hyper 412s any good?
>>51899056
is that the super old and outdated cooler everyone likes?
>>51898831
H-how does it know if the case is open?
>>51899086
Not him but no, that's the hyper 212, which still performs annoyingly well despite both age and price. There's also the 212 evo model, which was updated a few years ago.
>>51899123
THE NOSE KNOWS.
>>51899123
Some cases come with what is essentially a switch that you hook up to some motherboards that will tell the motherboard whether or not the case is open. I've never understood why anything would come with that.
Watercooling is a meme.
Premium fans are a meme too.
Buy any cooler with a big heatsink and slap the fan(s) that come in the box on it, this will be sufficient if your case has any decent airflow (if it doesn't, just get rid of the side panel).
Anything else you do whether it's liquid cooling or premium fans will net you a max of 1-2 extra frames in crysis. This kind of shit is for people with more money and time on their hands that you do.
>>51899086
Well i am looking for a good replacement cooler for my 1366 socket and this 412s keeps popping.
Dont mind me. Merely posting one of the best and underrated/unknown coolers. Kept my fx-9370 clocked to 5.0ghz at 1.53v. Fans are ugly though and loud at full tilt. Only complaint.
Man coolers are all pretty much the same right? I mean its just a heatsink and some fans its not like diamond encrusted aluminium transfers heat better or something
>>51899339
No they're not. Different heatpipe materials, heatpipe layout, fin density and shape etc all change cooling capacity. Fans too. The way a fan chops at the air results in different amount of noise, open Cfm, and air pressure. Some fans are awesome for case flow but fall on their face when asked to oush air through a radiator or heatsink.
The resulting difference could be as little as 1C or as high as 6C. For instance the CM Hyper 212 EVO outperforms some dual tower heatsinks from garbage no name companies simply because of better design. Mass and weight != translate to raw performance.
>>51899417
Its not like the raw materials are expensive and the shapes dont significantly change cooling given they all are pretty much the same except for a few. Honestly going over $50 is too much or an air cpu cooler
Can someone tell my why Noctua is such a huge meme around here?
I've been buying Scythe for several computers now. And been satisfied.
Am I blind to the brown light?
>>51899524
You're right but I disagree about over $50 not being worth it. Sure a $35 cooler may allow me to achieve the same clock speed at the same voltage, but it will run much louder to do so. I soent $70 on my cooler and because of its size/efficiency, I get fast clocks at high voltage while being quiet. I gladly pay extra for aome noise reduction.
Its why my custom loop was $650 compared to everyone else who got the same performance and clocks as me but for $300. Paid extra for the silence.
>>51899640
>Can someone tell my why Noctua is such a huge meme around here?
Because they regularly top the benchmarks along with phanteks and they're well known for producing relatively quiet fans.
>I've been buying Scythe for several computers now. And been satisfied.
Not to knock your experience but what would it take for you to be dissatisfied with a heatsink?
Personally, I think that the difference is so minute that we might as well be discussing our favourite brands of toothpaste. Anything that's not on the bottom of the chart and that fits your wallet will more than likely do.
>>51899640
Scythe is an older and more unheard of company. With everyone going on about noctua and noctua having higher availability in moat sotres/online retailers, many see scythe as the chinese knock off off-brand essentially.
Most of the people who use scythe are the ones who were buying them when they first hit the market. Same with Zalman stuff.
Also
>brown light
Sounds l..lewd
>>51886467
I have the Shuriken Rev B with a Noctua 92 PWM on it. Keeps my CPU in the 25-30C range at Idle and 50C under full load.
>>51899744
Scythe also gave the world gentle typhoons (which can be bought again).
>>51899640
Nah, Scythe offers some great value coolers. Noctua just happens to be one of the most well-known companies, if not the most well-known.
>>51899714
>what would it take for you to be dissatisfied with a heatsink?
If it didn't cool the CPU properly. Also if the shape are stupid so it doesn't fit into things.
>>51899744
Most of the people who use scythe are the ones who were buying them when they first hit the market. Same with Zalman stuff.
Schythe has been around in Denmark for a long time, and most stores/websides have them.
I never really like the shape of Zalman coolers, they look like they try a little too hard to look different than other manufactures.
>>51899940
>If it didn't cool the CPU properly
That was exactly my point, with that in mind most people would be thoroughly satisfied with the stock coolers.
>>51900032
And, it doesn't need to sound like an airplane taking off.
>>51899640
Because it is the best air cooler on the market as well as being able to compete against clc systems, but the real meme factor is that it only comes in that disgusting tan and brown and people buy it anyway because of performance
>>51900389
R1 ultimate comes in sexy black.
>>51889988
Hope he didn't forget replacing the PSU fan too
>>51902696
>voiding a 6 year warranty for a noctua fan
I don't think it's worth it.
My Arctic Freezer 7 Rev2.0 is the loudest fan in my case. What's a silent socket 775 air cooler?
Or even better, is there a way to mod a case fan into a CPU fan? I'd buy an antec truequiet case fan and slap it on Arctic's radiator.
>>51903391
If it uses a 3 or 4 pin connector there is no inherent difference between a cpu cooler fan and a case fan, just generally some cpu cooler fans have higher static pressure to deal with the fact they have a heatsink right behind them.
>>51903518
>have higher static pressure
what do you mean by this?
>tfw RMAing my CM Nepton 240m because the pump and fans keep making these godawful noises
It cools great, better than my old CM 212 evo. But it should not be doing this, thank god they do advanced RMA's.
Link is an example of someone else with the exact same issue
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd1OA9cLHzc
>>51903518
Can you use a 3pin connector in the CPU's 4 pin slot?
>>51893555
Tcase for most Visheras ranges from 57 to 70 max, Trinity and probably also Richland can take up to 74. They'll throttle after that.
Documentation on it is terrible though.
>>51903624
sure
>>51903640
Tcase and Tj. Max are two different things, the latter always being higher than the former. Tj. Max is the one that actually matters as it will be what the CPU's temp sensor is measuring.
>>51903700
I know that, but you won't get accurate tjunction celsius values out of Piledriver CPUs because their sensor uses AMDs weird TCTL offset, which is why you're getting weird readings (ie. 9 idle) with some monitoring software.
Tcase is your best bet, the CPU will throttle before anything gets dangerous anyway.
>>51899290
It costs as much as a Noctuna. Does it perform better?
If it performs worse it's not underrated. If it only performs as well, Nocutna being better known doesn't make the Thermaltake underrated, it's just people aren't bothering to give it one.
Not everything of equal quality and performance need achieve equal popularity.
>>51903577
Better at forcing air through tight spaces.
The D14 pulled my cpu right out of it's socket. Returned it and got a mugen max. Half the weight, and arguably similar performance.
>>51904691
I'm curious, what mobo and what CPU do you have?
>>51902696
Tempted to do this because my corsair PSU sounds like a buzzsaw.
>>51904691
You do realise that in order for the d14 to pull your cpu out of the socket, it would've snapped the motherboard in pieces right? The noctua mounting system is solid as hell.
Water cooling is only useful when you're overclocking your shit to next level. With moderate oc, air cooling is a lot better. And watercooling looks nice, aircooling looks primitive.
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