https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-first-handheld-steam-machine
So apparently they're getting a refund system ready, in case you're dissappointed about this product. Fraud or not, you're getting your money back.
Shill or not op is a faggot.
Will it run crysis?
>>51859235
>all 3d renders nothing physical whatso ever
sounds cool but without any proof the formfactor sounds way to fucking hard to squeeze that power into
not worth risking the dough to get a refund in 4 years
Looks too much like a recently released Nintendo patent
They're selling a handheld as a gaming system with a low power AMD SoC that isn't capable of handling anything more than PS1/N64 emulation.
>>51859519
It's literally fucking shit. It can't even handle L4D2. What is the point in this?
I saw a video on this on ReviewTechUSA a while ago.
>>51859544
They did it all wrong, with that screen size and those specs they should have kept it at 720p or below to be able to handle steam games.
>>51859399
The actual commercial prototype will be ready on april and you can refund as soon as you don't like it
>>51859544
inform yourself before shitposting
>"Embedded G-Series SoC"
>>51859622
>vomit chanu
Hello shitposteru ~
>>51859622
Can you read? They claim the next iteration will be good enough to play most games. If that ends up not being true, you can refund.
>>51859614
>proto not even a thing until fuckin april
i'm sorry i cant kick anything that doesn't start off with
>we have a super shitty but working copy of our idea
>gieb us money to make it better and to manufacture
going to be a minimum of 2 years before anyone gets to touch one
>>51859235
I don't go out of my house and if I did
I wouldn't play games, enjoy your outdated console one year from now
>>51859622
>>51859635
The SoC is really shit though, not even the A10 micro-6700T.
They shouldn't even be using an AMD SoC for a handheld device. Intel make more powerful atom chips that use less electricity.
>>51859656
YOU PIECE OF SHIT READ THE FUCKING THING
they have a prototype, just not the commercial one because it costs a lot to produce it
>>51859666
It's going to be a new soc you illiterate, don't compare it to the ones we have now
>>51859657
I guess you can play games on your sofa or in your bed from your pc, good for you
>>51859235
It's going to be shit. "AMD" and "handheld" should never go together.
>>51859666
>more powerful atom
You wish buddy
>less energy consumption.
Would they have been better off with the atom and a slightly downclocked gt940m? Both would be pretty efficient and definitely more powerful than the apu.
>>51859688
then wheres a video of it playing modern current games you little bitch?
I'm sorry you're doing a really bad job at marketing over here.
>>51859701
then stop marketing it with such
the whole things gonna flop buddy
>>51859732
>What are cherry trail atoms
>>51859544
The point was to scam morons.
>>51859666
They picked an embedded G series APU because they're incredibly cheap, and AMD will deal with lower volume customers than intel.
>>51859620
Tell me faggot.
>>51859591
It would've been decent if it had a more efficient version of an i3, some form of a GTX 755m or similar, and a 1360 x 768 screen.
>>51859738
Your doubting because of no proof would only make sense if you couldn't refund. The proof will come, just not now. And if after all this is really all fake, you will get your money back. They're the only ones doing this on kickstarter.
>>51859819
I'm not your bitch, if you want to contribute with actual discussion feel free to inform yourself, otherwise be gone shitposter
>>51859856
do you know how scummy that already sounds?
You should not judge a company on it's return policy, only on the returns because they should be so few.
That INSTANTLY tells me you/they have zero faith in their product, because by logical dictation on how a fucking business works, there should be a return policy considering i was promised a product, you should not have to re-affirm what should already fucking exist.
take your product and get the fuck out of here, no one wants it, and considering how hard they/you are boasting the return system, whoever built it is prepared for thousands of return requests, and unless you're expecting failure, or because you "exaggerated some facts" you shouldn't be preparing for that kind of return.
>>51859873
Your a stupid fucking cunt. I literally said that it is pointless and you came back saying to inform my myself. You sure are a true kek. Now fucking leave faggot.
>>51859701
G-series SoCs are designed for low cost applications not for handheld gayming. The tablet A10 APUs are.
Even then cherry trail beats the tablet A10 because it can access dual-channel 1600MHz DDR3 RAM (25.6GB/s) for their iGPU whereas the tablet A10 can only access single channel 1333MHz DDR3 RAM (10.6GB/s) for it's iGPU.
If smachteam really wants to make a good handheld gayming device that won't be utter shit they should at minimum use the fucking tablet A10.
They still have time to fix their faggotry.
>>51859928
>Be an uninformed shitposter
>Someone who IS informed tells you to go inform yourself or leave
>"No, you leave!!!"
/v/ pls go...
>>51859647
>Portable game system
>x86 based
>by AMD
0/10
>>51859933
>They still have time to fix their faggotry.
No they don't. Embedded parts are a different line from the mainstream Beema/Mullins chips. They'd need to design a whole new board to use one.
The company has no intention of "fixing" anything, and they'll never production a second iteration. They're going to do a very low volume production run, and bail out with as much money in hand as possible. They'll resell every unit that gets returned to them.
>>51859933
Please show me those proofs of cherry trail beating AMD's A10's because I'd really like to see it.
Intelshills keep going on and on about how great the GPU is on cherry trail chips, but they never have any real benchmarks.
Besides, the developers themselves have said that the final device won't ship with what AMD is offering right now, but with what they're shipping late next year when this comes out. Those parts will obviously be new parts made with the 14 FinFET manufacturing process Globalfoundries licensed from Samsung and are already providing Apple with second source Apple A-series SoC's.
>>51859235
>2016 playing vidya
Now play vidya with shitty tablet chips! This is just sad. Shitty games on a shitty platform that greatest achievement is reselling old flash games
>>51859999
AMD's next low power SoC is Stoney Ridge.
Stoney Ridge is a 28nm chip. 1 Excavator module, and 3 CU.
Summit Ridge and Raven Ridge are their only 14nm chips coming out.
>x86-based handheld gaming system
Into the trash it goes.
But seriously, these scrubs don't even seem to know what they are doing. There have been attempts to make portable gaming systems by people far more skilled and the still failed. Pic related, all it took was one Jew.
>>51859924
You're fucking wrong and should be ashamed for shitposting once again. They are making this refund policy because people won't trust them, not because they decided so from the beginning. Besides, your logical assumptions are still worthless being the refund in place.
This is just confirmed bias. When they launched the kickstarter they were fishy, now that they offer refunds because they want to accomodate such complaints they are even more fishy. Makes sense.
>>51859235
this thing will fail on name alone. Snatch Z
>>51859928
You're*
>>51859933
Yeah keep posting assumptions on a chip that's not even out yet
>>51860039
from a financial standpoint maybe it wasn't a success, it still was a decent following.
enough so it has a successor on the way. I think the pyra will do better then the pandora
>>51859235
>Jaguar based SoC
>Handheld
Hellfire Blazes upon you.
If it doesn't it might be good enough to playt my vn's
>>51860039
Well this going to run SteamOS and it's pretty much a console kind of affair. We're literally talking about an OS aimed at console users and has been shown to be about as difficult to use as a console.
So it's not going to be aimed at more skilled users, it's going to be aimed at the same kind of audience as the Vita.
>>51859999
I can't find any but the fact that AMD's tablet A10 is bandwidth starved points to the cherry trail possibly having better graphics performance. Not too sure about that though.
Still cherry trail is based on 14nm lithography so the chip would run cooler on a handheld and use less electricity meaning better consistent performance and overall better battery life.
>>51860130
Says right on the fucking page its running windows 10 nigga.
I bet my ass they don't know that these things are under patent and if they use it they're getting sued to hell.
>>51860183
Prove it.
>>51860039
Razer had one that was pretty powerful.
>>51859235
Open Platform: We want to keep SMACH Z an open console, if you prefer to install other OS (Windows, Android,...) you are free to do whatever you want with it. We will give to the community all the info a codes needed to support other OS or develop additional features.
Yeah sure. Ahahahahahaha
>>51860183
>GC Buttons
My dick is diamond
>>51860152
Cherry trail would have to be a really huge leap over Bay trail in order to compete in IGP performance.
Though keep this in perspective. Even something flat out 30% faster than the A10 Micro 6700T would be anemic for gaming.
>>51860152
I'm not saying you're wrong and I don't care about Intel, I would be shilling them regardless the chipset manufacturer. This situation is like schrodinger's cat, the machine can be considered shit or great, and the box will be opened on april. The question is, money back guaranteed, why the fuck do you consider the cat dead already? If on april the smach z is shit, you get your money back. If, on the other hand, it's amazing, you get the thing. I don't see why not back them. I mean, if the product really is shit, they go bankrupt because everyone will refund.
>>51860195
http://www.google.com/patents/USD376826
>>51860183
>>51860262
>http://www.google.com/patents/USD376826
It's similar not the same.
>>51860233
The Cherry trail X7 Z8700 in the Surface 3 scores 25,429 in Ice Storm Unlimited.
So it might be in the same ball park as the older 28nm A10, its impossible to find any comprehensive GPU benches for either chip though.
>>51859235
These strechgoals for 4M and 5M are hilarious!
>>51860241
I consider the cat already dead *unless* they use the tablet A10 APU but like >>51859990 said it's very very unlikely.
G-series SoCs are designed for cheap x86 embedded performance, they use considerably more watts than the tablet A10 and only have [2] x86 cores. The ones that do have [4] x86 cores consume way too much power for a tablet. They are not designed to play vydias on a handheld at all.
>>51859235
>But if you are "classic" gamer, and you prefer more traditional controls... take a look to the Magic Z-Pads just below!
This thing would actually be a great device for emulation.
And the fact that it would allow me to play Skyrim in bed is also pretty great, desu.
>>51860233
>Even something flat out 30% faster than the A10 Micro 6700T would be anemic for gaming.
True but you can lower the resolution greatly to still get around 30fps. Something like skyrim might be playable on low 480p settings.
>>51860412
AMD has 7w quad core parts, but clock speeds are considerably lower.
The arch is just too old to salvage for something like this. Beema/Mullins was just a refresh of Kabini/Temash that launched in early 2013.
>>51860262
If I wanted to actually make a custom controller with the intention of selling, just how many bullshit patents would I be violating?
>>51860643
Tons.
>>51860352
The 5 million stretch goal alone is why you shouldn't even buy in the first place.
>>51861663
How the fuck do people keep releasing new controllers then?
>4GB RAM memory
So is this thing just a hand-held indie game console?
Sounds dumb to be honest family.
They should place a steamlink in controller.
>inb4 shield
No AMD support.
>AMD
into the trash it goes
>>51861742
It will run from windows to linux.
Doesn't seem so dumb now.
>>51861722
Companies negotiate licensing with one another. I remember a long time ago some Logitech employee posted on Anandtech about dealing with Microsoft when designing peripherals. All the little Chinese firms who sell shit on Amazon don't, but they're too small to catch any legal departments attention.
>>51861742
The RAM is far from the biggest bottleneck here
>same CPU/GPU that HP and all have been putting into their thin clients
>Powerful enough to play any game on the market
Right. Fuck off, lying scumbags. Be realistic about the capabilities of your system.
>>51862102
Which thin clients?
>>51862102
The latest batch of thin clients with AMD chips are using a Kaveri variant, entirely different ballpark of performance.
Does it run starcraft 2 and Battlefield 4?
>>51861941
Random access memory memory
>>51862102
newest thin clients are indeed capable of playing games
My 5 year old HP T610 has a G-T56n CPU (slightly better than E-450) and HD6320 GPU. It runs bf3 at hd resolution and low settings at 45fps. Now we got a quad core CPUs with 2-3times faster GPUs.
>>51862209
http://www.tomsitpro.com/articles/amd-embedded-soc-fujitsu-thin-clients,1-2884.html
https://www.cdw.com/shop/products/HP-Flexible-Thin-Client-t620-PLUS-GX-420CA-2-GHz-4-GB-16-GB/3222693.aspx
They specifically mention the G-Series SoC, which those are the two highest clocked versions of for their generation. Notably, the latter is using a Radeon HD 8400M as the GPU.
>>51862322
This should be able to play video games.
Scept for the fact it uses flash storage, and the ssd on the HP is probably an el cheapo ssd.
>>51862272
They don't even have a working prototype yet and like tripfag has been explaining, it plans to use a g-series soc which is really really fucking shitty.
So if a working prototype is built, it might be able to handle bf4 on very low low settings at 360P resolution, maybe at 20-30fps
>>51862289
But, they specifically say something that can't be backed up: "Any game on the market".
System Requirements for Just Cause 3:OS: Vista SP2 / Windows 7.1 SP1 / Windows 8.1 (64-bit Operating System Required)
Processor: Intel Core i5-2500k, 3.3GHz / AMD Phenom II X6 1075T 3GHz
Memory: 6 GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670 (2GB) / AMD Radeon HD 7870 (2GB)
Storage: 54 GB available space
You're telling me that some shitty embedded SoC can play this at a frame rate that doesn't make you want to tear your hair out?
>>51862370
That's a fucking 25 watt tdp g series apu. No fucking way is that going on a handheld.
>>51859235
>AMD
FUCKING DROPPED
>that one shill in the thread constantly reminding everyone that you can get a refund
fuck off m8 and take your shit product with you
>Open Platform: We want to keep SMACH Z an open console, if you prefer to install other OS (Windows, Android,...) you are free to do whatever you want with it. We will give to the community all the info a codes needed to support other OS or develop additional features.
>Attachable extra battery: It ads +5h of gameplay outdoor. You can add a second battery in the back of SMACH Z.
>Accelerometer & Gyroscope: A cool way to control racing or airships games.
Nice spelling there. This is a complete ripoff - they stopped caring about grammar and spelling towards the end.
This thing is either going to run like shit on any GPU-intensive game, or it's going to melt the plastic casing.
Probably both.
>>51862444
Chillax, m8. You can always get a refund.
>>51862398
>inb4 le gamewerks is bad meme
>>51862460
Or you can skip all that and not order this piece of shit. It's going to waste people's time which is more valuable than money.
https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/071/052/127f18bea32e332b47ce354051473b93_original.png?v=1450049150&w=639&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=090fdb8b992b785f798c660501557018
Well, then. Looks like they've indirectly given the model number of the APU by giving the model number of the embedded GPU:
It's a GX-415GA, which is a 1.5GHz quad core with a Radeon HD 8330e embedded GPU. I'm going to assume that the 8330e is similar in performance to the 8330, and use the benchmarks for that to make my point.
Keep in mind, they claim it is "Powerful enough to play any game on the market". See attached.
I like the idea of this, don't get me wrong, but, don't fucking lie.
>>51862570
That's the current prototype's cpu, the actual thing will have the new unreleased apu
>>51862570
That 415GA is a 15w chip.
They can't put that in a handheld.
>>51862500
This reminds me that I still have my old play, maybe I'll turn it into an emulator and look like an autist when I use it in public.
>>51862596
Where did they mention that they're going to use an unreleased AMD APU?
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-first-handheld-steam-machine/posts/1443186
All they have attached with the diagrams is: "In order to give you more details about SMAC Z process, here you can see some diagrams of SMACH Z design:"
Nothing in any of the blurbs they have available make any notes of any CPU except that it's a "G-Series APU", aside from the diagram there, which has no text indicating it's a temporary thing.
>>51862597
Sure they can - if they're lying about the 5h battery life, and don't mind the thing getting hot to the touch.
>>51859466
kek
>>51862665
It's literally everywhere, starting from the video. They have an NDA with AMD so they can't tell anyone about the new chip. But you're just here to shitpost I guess
>>51862665
I have no idea what the other anon is talking about. Pic related is the only reference to better hardware in the consumer release that I can find, and they are in no way specific about using some new chip.
A retard further down in the comments seems to think that they have an NDA with AMD, and that they're using a semi-custom chip, but that is too fucking funny for words.
The minimum buy in for semi-custom work is $100,000,000.
This entire thing just screams obvious scam.
>>51862570
>Keep in mind, they claim it is "Powerful enough to play any game on the market".
Not that anon but I think I've figured out of it. They're almost definitely limiting themselves to what's available on Steam OS.
That makes sense as I was thinking this would probably perform about as well as my laptop with an a6 4455m. That means borderlands 2 @ 720 low settings at 30 ish frames per second.
>>51862690
A 15 watt chip means that thing needs four 2 amp hour batteries to deliver 18.8 watts for 2 hours. This is impossible for a handheld. Additionally a 15 watt cpu requires a heatsink for the cpu which would make it fuckton thick and bulky.
>>51862884
>I was thinking this would probably perform about as well as my laptop with an a6 4455m.
Its less then half as powerful.
>>51862875
>This entire thing just screams obvious scam.
this desu
>>51862895
Just make the entire case the heatsink!
You get active cooling as you walk around, and people can just wear oven mitts if they want to play games.
>>51862941
>You get active cooling as you walk around, and people can just wear oven mitts if they want to play games.
Holy shit, topkek
>>51862909
I think you're grossly overestimating the humble 4455m. With a 15 watt TDP, two cores and seriously bottlenecked graphics, it's not exactly a marvel of engineering.
The a10 micro 6700t is most certainly faster. Information on the go series SoCs is hard to come by but it's almost definitely on par if not better.
>>51863021
Bruh the A10 micro-6700t has a 128 gcn cores that can turbo to 500mhz.
Meanwhile the A6-4455m has 256 gcn cores that can turbo to 424 Mhz.
Obviously the A6 is almost twice as powerful especially since it's two x86 cores can turbo to 2.6 GHz
>5mil stretch goal
>we wont sell the company to facebook ever
>>51863120
Additionally that tablet A10 chip can only use single channel ram for the igpu whereas the laptop a6 can use dual channel ram.
Not that the tablet A10 chip is bad but it doesn't compete with 15w chips.
>>51863120
>256 gcn cores that can turbo to 424 Mhz.
No, it doesn't. It's the horrifically outdated VLIW4.
This looks like it would only be comfortable holding it upside down.
So I know W10 is supposedly the same OS on every platform, but does that mean that if I get a W10 phone based on x86, I can install Steam natively and play games through that?
>>51859666
>Intel make more powerful atom chips that use less electricity.
perhaps but much more expensive
I don't think intel subsidizes non-smartphone/tablet atom usage
>>51863221
Oh shit really? Are VLIW4 cores significantly less powerful than gcn cores?
>>51863021
>The a10 micro 6700t is most certainly faster
No its not.
I'm not overestimating anything, I'm familiar with the hardware.
The GX 415GA is a 4 Jaguar cores pinned at 1.5ghz, the GPU is 2CU at 500mhz. This effectively is an A4 5000.
The A10 Micro 6700T is pretty much the exact same chip, and it can turbo up to 2.2ghz, but doesn't actually stay anywhere near that, hence why it falls far behind the 2.05ghz Athlon 5350, which again is basically the exact same chip.
Sustained CPU speed on the A10 is around 1.8ghz.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6974/amd-kabini-review
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6981/the-kabini-deal-can-amd-improve-the-quality-of-mainstream-pcs-with-its-latest-apu
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7974/amd-beema-mullins-architecture-a10-micro-6700t-performance-preview
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/3
>>51863120
Trinity is not GCN.
>>51862875
Even then, it was buried in a comment.
The GPU in this seems pretty weak compared with any adreno 400 , mali t7xx, or powervr 6xt series gpu
it can't be very good for gaymen
>>51863288
>http://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope/3
That's somewhat lacking in benches for the humble 4455m, the shittiest of ULV chips from the Trinity range and what is found in my HP craptop from 2013. I specifically compared it to that because that's what I have first hand experience with.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A10-Micro-6700T-SoC.115409.0.html
http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-A-Series-A6-4455M-Notebook-Processor.74885.0.html
The only benchmark they have in common is Cloud Gate Standard Physics 1280x720, in which case the a6 loses quite badly.
>>51859647
>the next iteration
But that's not the iteration we're being told to purchase, is it, you shitnozzle?
>>51863566
>>51863566
Notebookcheck's numbers are erroneous and all over the place.
>>51863566
Addendum
I'd just like to state that I was using the a6 4455m that I'm familiar with as a frame of reference to explain the "can play any game on the market" bit, with the disclaimer that they're only referring to games available on Steam OS. A cursory glance at the "over one thousand games" doesn't reveal anything that couldn't be turned down to 1280x720 low settings and be called playable by console standards.
Why do all of these hardware designers on Kickstarter stay coy about what SoC they will use? "Oh, that's just the prototype"
OK, so, is it that you haven't even chosen the parts to go in, or do you just not want to tell us?
>>51859235
It won't retail well, think back to the PS Vita. Nobody bought that because anyone who did play on the go had the option of playing games on their mobile which was the cheaper and more available option.
>>51863639
Would you like to back up that claim and perhaps come with a (relevant) set of benches this time instead of something similar but with twice the TDP and better hardware?
>>51863639
The next iteration of the apu, which will be the one they mount on the smach. The current one is just for the prototype
>>51863660
They have an NDA with AMD just read the comments on kickstarter
>>51863685
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1223?vs=1271
Athlon 5350 vs A8 6500T.
That is 4 Jaguar cores at 2.05ghz vs 2 Piledriver modules at 2.1ghz with a very selective 3.1ghz turbo.
The A6 4455m has a 2.1ghz base clock and 2.6ghz turbo.
The Athlon 5350 can keep pace with the A8 in somethings, wins by a tiny margin in some benches, and is significantly slower in others, especially when it comes to GPU workloads.
The A8 and A6 in question have the same 256 VLIW4 shaders, the only difference is their clock speed, and its easy to extrapolate performance backwards. The Jaguar based parts can't compete.
>>51863802
You keep saying that, but its still not true.
>>51863816
One random guy made that claim as far as I can see, he only assumed they had an NDA with AMD. That wasn't a claim made by the designers.
The buy in for semi custom work is $100,000,000. This pissant failure of a device doesn't have the financing to handle that.
>AMD
Well, if I get third degree burns on my hands, I will sue them for attempted arson.
Let's look at the CPU they're claiming is just for their prototype - it's the GX-412HC. Almost nobody has done any graphics benchmarks on the thing, and I can't find much info about it, so, I'm going to use the much stronger chip mentioned in their design document as reference (it mentions the 8330e, which is the one used in the GX-415GA, which is roughly equivalent to the A4-5000.)
Let's see the results, shall we?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kabini-a4-5000-review,3518-8.html
O-oh. 11FPS on Metro: Last Light, dropping down to 3FPS. OK, so how about Skyrim?
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/kabini-a4-5000-review,3518-7.html
O-oh... 26FPS on lowest quality settings, no AA, 720p. I guess that's vaguely playable? If you don't mind the game looking like pic related. And you don't mind the fact that it can barely play a 4 year old game at the lowest settings.
>>51863816
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/smachteam/smach-z-the-first-handheld-steam-machine/comments?cursor=12005617#comment-12005616
Ok, fine, they say they're under an NDA, but then tell us to use the GX-424CC as a "Reference point for power", I'm going to ignore the fact that it's a 25w TDP and assume they can magic out a 7w with equivalent performance. Alright, what do we get? Significantly faster clock speed on the CPU, sure (2.4GHz vs 1.5GHz). So, what does the AMD marketing blurb say?AMD G-Series SOC’s advanced GPU, supporting DirectX®
11.1,
OpenGL 4.2, and OpenCLâ„¢
1.23
, enables parallel processing and
high-performance graphics processing that provides up to 20%
improvement vs. AMD G-Series APU
>up to 20% improvement
O-oh. So, still shit.
>>51864292
>So, what does the AMD marketing blurb say?
I meant
>So, what does the AMD marketing blurb say about the improvements in the GPU performance?
>>51863865
THEY have claimed it,but I guess you can't read. Opinion discarded.
>>51864432
In comments, in a setup that's not exactly super easy to search in. If they want to be taken seriously, they should release such information out as an "Update", and update the campaign page. I like how it's gone from "All over the place" to "in one comment somewhere in the mess that is kickstarter comments', though.
>>51863865
>The A8 and A6 in question have the same 256 VLIW4 shaders, the only difference is their clock speed, and its easy to extrapolate performance backwards. The Jaguar based parts can't compete.
Alright then, lets extrapolate. The only directly comparable benchmarks from the mass of links you threw out in the first link is 3dmark 11 and 3dmark 06. Now, we know the 4455m has two thirds the shaders running at 61% of the clockspeed of the a10 4600m. So that means, extrapolating, that the 4455m has a 3dmark 11 score of 458 vs 580 for the a4 5000. 3dmark 06 becomes 3,140 (rounded up because I felt like being kind to you) for the 4455m and 3803 for the a4 5000.
Please feel free to show your math proving I'm wrong here. You're still grossly overestimating the *very* humble a6 4455m.
>>51864500
I agree about that. Though the information has been around since the beginning on their official Facebook page (a lot before the kickstarter) and they're getting the FAQ ready anyway.
>>51864572
So why is it also not on the Kickstarter front and center? Why do I have to keep digging to find out additional information that SHOULD be readily available.
Kickstarter is about marketing. They're failing if I have to keep digging to find more information available. This is not an acceptable excuse.
>>51864292
Bristol Ridge has newer power saving features enabled that were fused off in Carrizo. A 15w chip can fit two modules at 2.3ghz and 6CU at 686mhz. Thats a solid improvement, and Stoney Ridge is just 1 module and 3CU. Its conceivable that a 5w~ Stoney chip would outperform their prototype while drawing much less power.
Issue is that these are FP4 chips.
This Smach Z clusterfuck is using an FT3.
If they're using an actual new APU instead of just an already old Beema part, then they would need to totally redesign everything they have. Doesn't sound likely for a group of nobodies begging for money on kickstarter.
>>51864552
Look at the bench directly comparing the two processors I explicitly spoke of in that very post you just quoted, you 60 IQ subhuman fucktard.
GPU performance, serial CPU performance, A Jaguar based A4-500 can't compare to that mobile Trinity A6.
>>51864604
>Look at the bench directly comparing the two processors I explicitly spoke of in that very post you just quoted
I did and I found no overlap with any trinity benches whatsoever. Now, unless you can actually point to two directly comparable benches then I'm the only one who's actually posted benches comparing the VLIW4 GPU architecture to GCN.
I'd also like to point out that you're the one that mentioned extrapolating. If we do that, we expect the a6 4455m to have roughly 41% of the performance shown by the a10 4600m, which is thoroughly mediocre and really does fall behind the later Jaguar based graphics cores.
>>51864591
But they DO suck at marketing.
>>51864692
Dear Jesus, you don't even realize how fucking retarded you are.
The A8 6500T is Richland, its just the refresh of Trinity. The arch is 100% identical. It is the exact same die in your A6 4455m laptop.
This is a VLIW4 GPU.
The Athlon 5350 is Kabini, the exact same die as the A4-5000, and the Steppe Eagle G series chip used in the Smach Z.
This is a GCN GPU.
How in the fuck are you this much of a tech illiterate retard?
>>51860130
How are consoles hard?
>turn it on with controller/power button
>launch game
>maybe sign in if you don't have automatic enables
And if you want to stream on twitch with ps4, just press the share button. Not sure
About xbo, never tried it
>>51864777
>The A8 6500T is Richland
I'll admit to having misread that as being part of the jaguar lineup. Nonetheless, let's go about extrapolating, shall we? The IGP in the 6500t runs at a constant 720MHz, which puts the 4455m at 59% the clockspeed. Now, this is ignoring the *much* lower memory bandwidth available to the 4455m because that's hard to account for. That puts it much, much closer to the 5350, which runs at a constant 600MHz, 100MHz faster than the a4 5000.
Things actually start looking favourable for the a4, with games like f1 2013 giving 19 frames for the a6 and 20 for the a4. Now, keep in mind, this is ignoring the inferior memory bandwidth AND is giving a best case turbo scenario for the a6 4455m.
It still doesn't look good for the VLIW4 architecture. I wonder why AMD ditched it?
>>51860039
Your autism is beyond infinity.
>>51865068
The A6 4455m supports dual channel memory like the rest of Trinity. Stop continually proving that you have Downs.
It is the Jaguar based parts that only have a single channel memory controller.
Stop trying to compare GPU clockspeeds and look at the actual performance metrics. That is the purpose of a benchmark.
Jesus tittyfucking christ you are too stupid for words. Go do the world a favor and slash your wrists open.
>>51865141
>The A6 4455m supports dual channel memory like the rest of Trinity
Yes but only 1333MHz as opposed to the 1866MHz supported by the 6500t
>Stop trying to compare GPU clockspeeds and look at the actual performance metrics
Alright then, lets go back to the only one directly comparing the two chips we're actually talking about, the one I posted here >>51863566
Which funnily enough show the a6 4455m losing and not very gracefully at that.
I'd also like to point out that YOU were the one talking about extrapolating performance from vaguely similar chips. You have yet to show any indication AT ALL that an a6 4455m will beat an a4 5000 in graphics.
Name calling really won't help when you're on the losing side of the evidence.
>>51865190
Iunno dude. I think >>51865141 is a lost cause. His jimmies seem to have been eternally rustled.
>>51859659
but we all love anime~
>>51865190
>HURRRRRRRRRRFFFF
Notebookcheck's numbers are erroneous, they are all over the place. That is more than apparent from how their Cinebench and other scores vary compared to other reviewers who have established test methodology. Their habbit of failing to properly identify power usages minus the screen in a laptop is more than enough to call them into question.
The Anandtech bench I link directly compares the two exact dies relevant to the discussion here. They aren't just vaguely similar, they are quite literally 100% exactly the same dies.
The only functional difference between the A8 6500T and the A6 4455m are clock speeds.
The only difference between the Athlon 5350 and the A4-5000 or any other relevant Jaguar based parts are clock speeds.
That is why I posted that comparison. You can garner how any chip in either family will perform by looking at the results in that head to head comparison from a reputable reviewer who ran each bench in a sterile environment multiple times.
You're so fucking clueless that you thought Trinity had a GCN based IGP. You're so fucking retarded you couldn't read a bench and tell what family a chip belonged to after it was explicitly laid out for you.
End your pathetic life.
>these stretch goals
>>51865372
>The only functional difference between the A8 6500T and the A6 4455m are clock speeds.
And so we adjust for clock speeds and we're being very generous by giving the a6 4455m its max turbo.
>The only difference between the Athlon 5350 and the A4-5000 or any other relevant Jaguar based parts are clock speeds.
And we adjusted for clock speeds there too. Much simpler because the clock speeds aren't flexible there. The a6 still loses. Funny that, eh?
I enjoy math, so let's do another set of numbers. 3DMark Ice Storm Ultimate, the a6 gives us 24,777 whereas the a4 gives us 24,044. This is, again, assuming the a6 is pegged at maximum turbo.
>You're so fucking clueless that you thought Trinity had a GCN based IGP
No I didn't.
>You're so fucking retarded you couldn't read a bench and tell what family a chip belonged to after it was explicitly laid out for you
I misread something, which you are doing quite a bit too by the looks of things. Unlike you, however, I quite quickly admit to my mistakes and correct them. You do not.
>>51865445
Only the first to are worth something but I like the one at five million. I'd very much like them to hit that target just so we could see the long term consequences of that.
>>51865477
Stop. Proving. How. Fucking. Stupid. You. Are.
The max turbo on APUs only applies to a single threaded workload, it is there only for short bursty workloads otherwise the higher pstate would cause it to exceed its thermal margin.
The A8 6500T and A6 4455m have the same base clock.
You do not understand anything at all about hardware, and you have done absolutely nothing but highlight that fact repeatedly.
>>51865533
Woah chill dude tho
>>51865533
>The max turbo on APUs only applies to a single threaded workload, it is there only for short bursty workloads otherwise the higher pstate would cause it to exceed its thermal margin.
Finally we agree on something
>The A8 6500T and A6 4455m have the same base clock.
On the CPU side, yeah. We're talking about GPU performance though, which kinda changes things a bit, doesn't it?
On the GPU side the 6500T has base clock of 720MHz, no turbo. The 4455m has a base clock of just 327MHz, less than half that of the 6500T. It turbos up to 424MHz, somewhat alleviating the issue.
Now, I'm normally not one to judge but I think someone incapable of telling the difference between a GPU clock speed and a CPU clock speed shouldn't be calling other people stupid, though as the other anon said, you might be a lost cause.
>>51865648
>strawmanning like the tech illiterate faggot retard he is
I'm not conflating the two things, YOU are. I made a clear distinction that the Trinity SKU in question offered superior GPU performance and serial CPU performance.
>>51865682
Ahahaha oh man. This guy.
>>51865697
Nice shitpost, child.
See:
>>51864604
>GPU performance, serial CPU performance, A Jaguar based A4-500 can't compare to that mobile Trinity A6.
Why don't you go back to fixating on memory bandwidth and proving you have literally no idea what it is or how its used?
>>51865682
>that the Trinity SKU in question offered superior GPU performance
But it DOESN'T, that's what I've been trying to get across. I've even used YOUR OWN benchmarks to show this.
>serial CPU performance.
Probably does, the 4455m is very eager to stay around 2.4GHz when plugged in. Nonetheless, it's not by much and hardly going to be a bottleneck in games in the scenario we're talking about here.
>>51865736
>Why don't you go back to fixating on memory bandwidth
It's funny, I mentioned that in two posts and discounted it in both posts because it's hard to account for in terms of IGP performance. I suggest you go look at any APU benchmark as the majority of reviewers spend loads of time discussing memory speeds and how they impact the performance of the IGP.
>>51865736
I'd also like to add that the guy who is laughing at you isn't me, the person arguing with you. It's another anon who took the time to make a post about how ridiculous you're being. That makes two so far.
>>51865835
Can confirm. Different anon entirely here laughing at >>51865736 this guy's ridiculousness.
>>51859466
what the hell
>>51860106
I think so too and I love my Pandora. However, I don't know these people and I won't trust them with my money.
>>51865780
>going even further to prove that you're a clueless tech illiterate retard
>b-b-b-but reviewers talk about da bandwidth!
Reviewers talk about memory bandwidth in the context of a memory bottleneck being present, in which scaling memory continues to directly increase IGP performance.
The lower clocked IGP in the 4455m doesn't need any more bandwidth than 1333mhz RAM provides, that is the reason why systems were arbitrarily restricted to that speed. There is no need for anything else. The die is 100% the same as every other.
Every single post you make you prove you're a fucking retard.
All you're doing is showing how little you know, and referencing poorly done notebook check numbers.
>>51865874
You're every bit as much a shitposting tech illiterate retard as he is.
>>51865925
>You're every bit as much a shitposting tech illiterate retard as he is.
Lol okay.
900k euros is nowhere near enough money for a project like this. like not even close. developing hardware costs a lot.
>>51859235
>SMACH Z
Who the fuck is backing this?
>>51865977
One guy in this thread apparently
>>51865925
>The lower clocked IGP in the 4455m doesn't need any more bandwidth than 1333mhz RAM provides
And you know this how?
>that is the reason why systems were arbitrarily restricted to that speed
Yeah, it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that it's an ULV chip and they're trying to save as much power as possible.
>All you're doing is showing how little you know, and referencing poorly done notebook check numbers.
And I've extrapolated numbers, which you were a huge proponent of before you were shown that the numbers went against your point.
Since you haven't mentioned it I'm assuming you've conceded that point.
>>51865975
All of that money is going towards developing a magical heatsink that won't make this start on fire.
>>51865975
I watched that gif for ages before I realised what was going on.
Can confirm about the hardware costs though. I daydreamed about starting a similar project, quote for motherboard design (no actual units produced) was $130k. They mention in their video some magic partner that will reduce costs but I can't imagine it's by much.
>>51866001
>And you know this how?
Because unlike you I've actually looked at benchmarks for the relevant hardware before today. I know exactly where memory scaling falls off for Trinity at a given clock speed.
>Yeah, it certainly has nothing to do with the fact that it's an ULV chip and they're trying to save as much power as possible.
>I HAVE LITERALLY NO IDEA HOW RAM WORKS GUYS
Cute, you fucking dipshit.
>And I've extrapolated numbers, which you were a huge proponent of before you were shown that the numbers went against your point.
Bullshit from notebookcheck, which you're obsessed with for god knows why. You outright refused to look at numerous verifiable benches provided in order to fixate on the only straw you could possibly grasp to.
>>51866156
>I know exactly where memory scaling falls off for Trinity at a given clock speed.
Pffffffft hahahaha alright.
>Limiting the memory controller has no effect on power consumption.
Yeah, you are real cute!
>Bullshit from notebookcheck
Erm, no? I've been using the benchmarks you've posted, referring to notebookcheck twice and your benchmarks five times. 4455m still loses.
You're fun.
>>51859466
some kind of special Zelda controller?
>>51859519
Sounds like a Handheld OUYA.
Wasnt "SteamBoy" a thing that was gonna be made by Valve or whatever it was?
>>51862570
Implying that SteamOS (linux) games are having requirements so high eh? ... just no
>>51866577
No, steamboy is this very project, but they couldn't keep the name because of Valve copyright
>>51866622
Metro: Last Light Redux is specifically mentioned as a game they say will work, but, see: >>51864292
Their definition of "play" seems to be "if you turn it down to the lowest possible resolution, turn all the settings down to minimum, you can get 5+ fps"
I HAVE A SOLUTION
nVidia X1
43,000 in IceStorm benchmark
https://youtu.be/6oehNXjLtgQ
Better battery life and smaller than AMD APU
>>51868438
>ARM
>>51862857
>IT'LL BE BETTER, HONEST
Even taking them at their word, you can't expect it to more than double the current performance while not increasing power consumption and heat. But that is what would be required for this to be at all viable.
>>51865515
Sell to a shell corporation that is then sold to Facebook.
>>51868983
>you can't expect it to more than double the current performance while not increasing power consumption and heat
You'd be surprised. The G series SoCs are terrible compared to their mainstream counterparts and are quit outdated in addition. When they were launched there were some that shared the same clock rates as kabini counterparts but had more than a 50% higher TDP. Now with Beema/Mullins having been out for a while there is actually a genuine chance of a massive improvement.
>>51861798
> into the trash it goes
Into the trash it does
>>51869094
Even with doubling the performance of the GA-412GA, at half the TDP, it would still not get to playable framerate for something like Metro: Last Light
>>51870012
No, it probably wouldn't. Would still make for a nifty handheld though, at the right price. If only it were considerably cheaper.
This thing looks like it would kick Nintendo's ass, shame you can't really use Linux with it.
>>51870059
I'd probably be willing to buy it at $200, or even $300, but I have absolutely zero confidence in these people and their product.
>>51870135
>shame you can't really use Linux with it.
But it comes with gahnoo loonix, what's the problem?
>>51860039
Pandora was expensive and didn't really fill a niche.
>>51860183
isn't the patent up for most of those (14 years for design patents, 20 for everything else)
>>51868730
Runs Linux
>>51859466
>you can patent shit like that
the yankee patent system, everyone
