It's almost 2016.
Is Linux still irrelevant, and, still utter garbage?
That said..
You have exactly ten seconds to post five things Linux can do better than Windows.
Pro-tip: You can't.
Kek/10
>Rice
>Break
>Reinstall
>Make things overly complicated
>Install Gentoo
> almost 2016
> ... and OP is still a fag
>>51854469
> C U C K
> U
> C
> K
>>51854469
>Package/app management
>error handling
>customizing/optimizing
>pentesting
>using less mouse + more keyboard = things take less time
>>51854469
>deprecated
Not so much deprecated as mostly hijacked by a cancerous monster slowly turning it into another opaque clusterfuck.
>developing
>linux inside a linux
>systemd
>fragmentation
s age
>>51854469
>can be made to run on pretty much anything
>as little or as much bloat as much you like
>bash / zsh. windows is finally getting there with powershell but Linux does it better imo
>sane package manager. what does windows have? the store and chocolatey?
>systemd. yes it gets a lot of hate for trying to do everything, but it's a very good init system
Linux was never good.
its like gimp, but for operating systems
>>51854847
> C U C K
> U C K C
> C K C U
> K C U C
>>51854469
It's still a hobby OS for basement dwellers, there is a good reason that most of the world's businesses run on windows.
![snapshot_21.06_[2015.07.28_02.42.48].png](https://i.imgur.com/6udJppH.jpg "snapshot_21.06_[2015.07.28_02.42.48].png")
>>51855189
this
>>51855105
b ump
>startup better with systemd, the best init
>ricing
>Use on older hardware
>no need for antivirus
>servers
>free software
Linux sucks
Windows 10 sucks
After Windows 8.1 next station for me is OSX
>>51855784
>hobby OS for basement dwellers
I'm not even going to deny that. I started using linux because I was unemployed and bored. If I had a job back then, I'd have stuck with windows.
But I literally got my current job because I riced the shit out of my laptop, and the right person noticed it at a hackathon. Now I get paid to do what I would be doing with my free time anyway, which is fuck around with Linux, break it, fix it, repeat.
>>51855784
>most
>businesses
>run
>on
>windows
False.
>>51854469
Linux is better than anything, since it's the only one that can actually become a standard. It's widely used and open so companies don't get scared away because another company pulls the strings. There's nothing that Windows or OS X actually do better, the only arguments are gaymes and Adobe, neither of those come from Microsoft or Apple. They could also be in Linux systems (and sometimes are) so that's not good enough.
It's also not an argument that it's something you're used to. There are new users being born constantly and they don't share your ancient experience. They could be taught to use the best one right from the start.
>>51855784
Given the amount of Linux that goes into any production stack - I'm mildly amazed that anyone still believes this. How's it like being so ignorant of the technology that goes into making your every-day life possible?
>>51855784
Sure. But what are all those servers in the world running? Windows, Mac?
>>51856340
A combination of both obviously
Look at the best website in the world - 4chan
It uses Windows Server running on Mac Minis
>>51855784
maybe you're the one who needs to get out of his mother's basement and experience the real world.
>>51856380
TOP KEK!
>>51854469
>Is Linux still irrelevant
>Literally dominates every field besides Desktop computers
>Irrelevant
I want /v/shits to leave.
>>51856340
>my uni's cs lab runs on a windows server
>notlikethis
>>51856396
yeah
>>51856405
i wonder if hiro upgraded that setup
>>51856405
Dear God...
>>51856428
Mac Minis make great servers to be quite honest
>>51856451
wtf, is that a thing? is that even cost effective?
>>51856463
Why don't you do the math?
>>51856402
>Literally dominates every field besides Desktop computers
And everything else.
>>51856451
Could be, but they probably have like 1% market share as server operating systems. Big companies don't want other companies to gather all of their data.
>>51856480
You can run GNU plus Linux or FreeBSD on them
>>51856463
It's not
>>51856493
Do you think that server farms are doing that? I don't know how can Mac Minis be cost effective. I don't think you can change or fix broken components. If anything hardware wise breaks, I guess you can just get a new Mac Mini.
>>51856515
>If anything hardware wise breaks, I guess you can just get a new Mac Mini.
Yes, 2 years warranty. Replace the whole thing.
No need to pay a server technician who fixes components.
>>51856524
So the plan is to replace server hardware every two years to keep it under warranty?
>>51856534
I've heard worse practices when it comes to maintenance.
>>51856534
Obviously most will last for 5-10 years until they're obsolete anyway.
>>51856546
I haven't, please share?
>>51856572
I think you stumped the apple shill
>>51856572
My old job used to swap out every single HP ProLiant DL380 server whenever there was a new generation. The person in charge of money always fell for the salesperson who came along every year selling new hardware.
I don't work there anymore, but they recently finished replacing all their servers (which is about 30) with brand new Gen8, costing a fortune. They're already prepping for Gen9.
It's like they artificially created work to do because everything went smoothly normally.
Public sector in a rich society can be dangerous.
>>51856340
its a server os and a hobby desktop os
>>51856402
>Literally dominates every field besides Desktop computers
>except desktop computers
so it runs servers and thats it
>>51856642
Servers, phones and pretty much any minor appliance that has the word "SMART" in it.
>>51856642
Servers, mobile phones, embedded devices, super computers etc.
I guess it still doesn't dominate the router market, but I imagine that is has a decent presence.
>>51856649
also supercomputers
>>51856642
>Thinking that desktop computers make even one third of internet connected devices
>>51854469
>install software
>update everything with one click
>use XMPP over a TOR bridge
>edit a text file
>flash a Mozilla Flame
>assuming you're talking about GNU/Linux and not the Linux kernel itself, which is indeed pretty old and has a toxic dev community (but still less toxic than OP)
>package management
>uptime
>run on computers with less than 1 GB of RAM
>run on computers with CPU architectures other than x86 and ARM
>run entirely from RAM
>cluster computing
>host virtual machines
>host network services
>filter and route network traffic
>provide security against malicious software
>provide security against network intrusion
>respect user privacy
>run customized desktop environments
>run without a desktop environment
>support alternative, interchangeable operating system components
>allow custom kernel configuration
>support scriptable behavior
>support remote control without graphics
>support file systems other than its default and legacy ones
>provide a full featured platform for software development
>>51856702
>toxic dev community
Community is as toxic as the people in it. If those people form the community for themselves then it's not toxic, you just don't like it. If it works for them and they are the ones who formed the community and are not forcing you to join them, it's a good community. There's no point in forcing them to change in order to get some more people to join that aren't comfortable with the current situation.
Linux kernel is a masterpiece and whatever they are doing, it's working. If the people who run the whole thing become irritated and uncomfortable the whole thing is at risk. SJW's better just back off and go circlejerk in Tumblr.
>>51856800
>here's a list of shit any sane person doesn't give a shit about
>>51856827
>here's a list of shit NEETs doesn't give a shit about
FTFY
>>51856837
>here's a list of shit only NEETs give a shit about
FTFY
>>51856702
>repels SJWs
>toxic
>>51856827
>here's a list of things that are completely unnecessary for a facebook machine
ftfy
>>51855784
Maybe employee workstations, because that's what people are used to using at home. Anything server based would be Linux.
>>51856649
>>51856654
but these aren't GNU/Lincux like op is referring to
>>51856819
>>51856856
>le SJW
You should question your way of life, I don't see the point with SJW. I'm just saying developers yelling at each other is toxic, and that's the point of view of major free software organisations in France.
>>51856883
OP never said "GNU".
>>51856883
>It's almost 2016.
>Is Linux still irrelevant, and, still utter garbage?
>That said..
>You have exactly ten seconds to post five things Linux can do better than Windows.
>Pro-tip: You can't.
Can't see any GNU in here
>>51856883
Servers, clusters, supercomputers, etc usually are. Embedded, including phones, usually aren't.
>>51856898
>>51856892
>what's an implication
Literally comparing it to Windows. You can't compare just a kernel to an OS.
>>51856955
Well, you're saying implications, what if they're the other way around
What if by Windows he means the NT kernel and as such is comparing Linux to NT
>>51856955
Linus already blew RMS away on this point.
Stop maymaying.
>>51856955
>You can't compare just a kernel to an OS
The kernel literally is the OS though.
>>51856890
>that's the point of view of major free software organisations in France.
The word "toxic" doesn't not mean the same thing as "unpleasant". If you want to say "unpleasant" you should use the word "unpleasant". Toxic implies attributes that lead to the degradation or destruction of something. The Linux dev community produces fantastic results, and has done so consistently for a long time. If they started putting a higher priority on friendliness and political correctness than on the quality of the outcome, that would be a toxic community, because that community would harm the software.
I know it's bait, but I just love these things about Linux.
>POSIX-compliance (seriously FUCK batch scripting)
>Unicode
>Hard real-time preemptive kernel patch
>Can change hardware and boot into it without it shitting its pants and blue-screening
>End goal is integrated support for all hardware in existence.
And these are just for the kernel itself.
>>51856964
The NT kernel isn't commonly known as Windows is it?
>>51856966
I'm agreeing with Linus.
>>51856463
You don't have to assemble it and you don't need an relatively expensive server chassis. Not sure about HDD RAID. If they can do that then it's actually pretty good as a server.
Security
Privacy
Customization
Server Operation/dedicated tasks
Being autistic
>>51855910
What distro do you use now?
>>51856800
Nigger a good 3/4 Windows and OS X do very well.
Hate to jiggle your conceded neckbeards
>>51854469
CLI
CLI
CLI
CLI
CLI
>>51854469
without "linux" the internet would fail to function for the costs it is at today.
Unix costs money for supported, open bsb is free but has no enterprise support.
You sir have no idea how many internet servers use linux. (Redhat)
>>51857421
To be fair. FreeBSD might have some support if Linux didn't exist. Or we could all be using Hurd.
>most popular smartphone OS kernel
>is Linux still relevant
It's more relevant now than ever and it's only getting more and more relevant each day.
>>51855043
Stay mad autist faggot. Systemd is the future and there is nothing you can do about it
Security, customization, configuration, memory and Hard disk management, price for performance.
Linux isn't garbage, it's just not ready for normies. Mac does everything for you, Windows let's you download from any site and includes automatic installers, but even Ubuntu throws package managers, repositories, and other scary words at normies that they aren't ready for for. And any obscure software had to be built and installed themselves.
In an age where we are trying to make user intervention from their programs as obscure as possible, this idea is frightening to the standard.
>>51856969
I'm sorry, I was assuming the word "toxic" was from a social point of view. If it's from a development point of view I was wrong indeed.
It seems we had the same idea, but I misunderstood the use of this word.
>>51854469
>package management
>customizability
>command line
>development
>free as in freedom software
under 10 seconds, op.
>>51854469
As far as your concerned, its garbage. Linux is lacking support and simplicity unlike Windows.
>>51855085
>>51855122
>>51855838
>>51857518
>systemd
The shilling is real.
Time for some facts
>>51854907
>less mouse + more keyboard = things take less
You just proved the level of retardation a typical linoox user is capable of
>muh error handling
Enjoy wasting literally dozens of hours of your time to debug the mess you created in minutes
>programming
>graphic design
>web browsing
>customizing
>speed
>>51858058
Your replying to copy pasta, senpai.
>>51858005
>>51858013
>>51858024
had a good giggle, thanks m8
>>51858024
>Linux documentation
>Limited
Burn this asshole and purge the world of his DNA through extermination of his descent
>>51858203
Microsoft made these info graphics
>>51857395
I use GNU/Linux, I don't see any reason to use proprietary software because I can do whatever I want with it. But Mac OS X complies with POSIX, so there is no problem with it.
Hence, saying Windows would be in any way valuable is wrong.
>>51858215
Yeah, I know, if it weren't made by Microsoft it would mean someone else would be dumb enough to believe it and to make it on their free time, which is unlikely to happen according to Darwin theories.
I was talking about the Microsoft guy obviously.
>>51854469
1: RAM management
2: File system management
3: Security
4: Stability
5: Virtual machines
>>51858368
>RAM management
Windows does manage RAM too
>File system management
Windows manage file systems as well
>Security
Windows has actually fewer security holes than Linux distributions
>Stability
Fauly hardware
>Virtual machines
Several hypervisors are available for Windows
>>51858384
>I can't read the OP
>>51858423
It is to be proven that Linux does any of those things better.
>>51858437
the op asked for statements, not proof.
in this particular case, the burden of proof should be on you, since you seem to disagree with the poster. and i would very much like to see you prove "Windows has actually fewer security holes than Linux distributions". very much.
>>51858479
>Windows has actually fewer security holes than Linux distributions
http://www.csoonline.com/article/2136927/data-protection/windows-vista---90-day-vulnerability-report.html
http://betanews.com/2015/02/22/os-x-ios-and-linux-have-more-vulnerabilities-than-windows/
>>51858240
Windows put the astronauts onto the space station. Checkmate.
>>51858003
Properly implemented, systemd is a good init system. Try Debian Jessie for an example.
>>51856702
I would like to interject your interjection
GNU is not the operating system and linux is not "just the kernel". This user centric bullshit has to stop.
Linux and its various kernel modules comprise the operating system, the program that abstracts hardware resources and manages task scheduling and execution. The operating system is fairly useless without additional programs, but it's not supposed to be anything more but the base of a pyramid that is the full software package or distribution.
GNU comprises several parts of the userland. First there is the GNU C library. In Unix likes, the C library is necessary for the operation of most programs. Second, there is the rest, the user interface (shell, shellutils, compiler not required but handy). These are just as important, but no more important than any other programs and it is possible to freely replace them with few noticeable differences.
Given this, the best names are either "Linux", the distribution name ,or if you absolutely must advertise for a portion of the userland, Linux/GNU.
Fucking copypasta go back to whatever grave you crawled out of
>>51854469
It's still garbage..
>install Ubuntu, the meme "beginenr friendly" linux
>"hey user, wanna do an upgrade?"
>system fucked beyond recognition
>all data lost
>linux community: "trololol, why did you trust your system?"
>talk to someone who has the same story
Never again.
>almost 2016
>people still fall for this bait
s.m.h. t.b.h. f.a.m.
guess I'll have to list some examples of things that use linux:
- android
- SOHO routers
- TVs
- entertainment systems in cars and other places
- SD cards and HDDs/SSDs
- supercomputers
and so on and so forth
>>51856405$ nslookup boards.4chan.org
...
Non-authoritative answer:
Name: boards.4chan.org
Address: 104.16.64.203
...
$ whois 104.16.64.203 | less
NetRange: 104.16.0.0 - 104.31.255.255
CIDR: 104.16.0.0/12
NetName: CLOUDFLARENET
NetHandle: NET-104-16-0-0-1
Parent: NET104 (NET-104-0-0-0-0)
NetType: Direct Assignment
OriginAS: AS13335
Organization: CloudFlare, Inc. (CLOUD14)
RegDate: 2014-03-28
Updated: 2015-10-01
Comment: https://www.cloudflare.com
Ref: http://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-104-16-0-0-1
...
I know cloudflare isn't a hosting service, but... they DO use linux, and they manage a shitload of traffic.
>>51858943
http caching revere proxies is one thing
enterprise software another
99% of enterprise software runs on Windows
>>51858894
What?
>>51858961
Yeah sure... All those server farms are running Windows 10 and letting Microsoft and the NSA gather all of their client's data just like that.
>>51858961
>enterprise software
well, enjoy your QUALITY ENTERPRISE SOFTWARE, then
btw, last thing I heard, companies are moving their shit to the cloud, because it's more profitable... and, you know, even microsoft recognizes that linux is king there
>>51858943
I forgot to mention:
SAGE GOES IN ALL FIELDS
>>51858976
retard doesn't know how to fix his/her own shit, asks other retards, other retards also don't know how to fix their own shit, gets mad, blames linux.
>>51854469
>things Linux can do better than Windows.
SPEED
P
E
E
D
>>51859009
Exactly. ''Hey user, wanna do an upgrade?'' - seems oddly specific. Who knows what he did. I'm guessing this is bait.
Robotics
Rendering
Servers
Program installation
File system compatibility
Boy, that was easy
>>51854469
Retard, GNU/Linux is irrelevant, not Linux.
My shitty netbook runs like a dream on Lubuntu.
>>51854469
>respects your privacy more than windows 10.
>very low system requirements
>fancy ricing
When will Linux take over the Universe?
Life is deprecated we should all die before it's too late
>>51854469
>Pro-tip: You can't.
pic related
>it's free (freedom +/ beer)
>usable on old/ancient machines
>never "need" restart
>open community code audits
>no pre-installed (or uninstallable) crap/bloat ware
>no corporate overlords forcing you to make decisions about YOUR computer.
>actually works well (if you're not dumb, do some research and set things up correctly)
...i can keep going
>>51860438
OP said 5 you said 7. fail
>>51860314
i think the embedded and real time numbers are old. where is yocto? where is wind river? is wind river even classified as linux in the real time section?
>>51854469
E, V, E, R, ITHING.
Checkmate.
>>51857498
>Or we could all be using Hurd.
Heh
>>51860314
>supercomputers
>top500
>windows: nothing
kek
>>51858563
Those articles always crack me up. The first one is so old the links are broken
Run on ARM and still have all the software on the repository work
Have software repositories
Have multiple desktop environments with interchangeable parts
Be efficient (the top ten super computers in the world run it for a reason)
Run on old hardware while still getting updates
Allows paranoid neckbeards who can code to check its code and make sure it isn't spying on me
Not let random programs run with root automatically
>>51854469
leet low level network hax0r stuff
>>51854469
Why are you always baiting /g/?
>>51858013
>>51858043
Lol, if you don't/can't appreciate linux, you are just baiting and not into technology.
>>51857003
I'd just like to interject for moment. What you're refering to as Windows, is in fact, NT/Windows, or as I've recently taken to calling it, NT plus Windows.
>>51858013
>parental security
your router...
>>51857003
Actually, it is. Windows itself almost always reports its kernel number as 'Windows X.x". For example, Windows 7 SP1 reports itself in dxdiag as "Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (6.1)".
>>51854469
>using Linux as a desktop consumer OS
fuckoff
>>51854469
Stable
Stabler
Stablest
Stabilizing
Cheaper
>SystemD
>PulseAudio
>rice
>GCC
>>51858976
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/608200/how-to-fix-unbootable-server-after-upgrade-to-14-04
>http://superuser.com/questions/420595/repair-ubuntu-after-unsuccesful-upgrading
>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2284196
>http://superuser.com/questions/770395/my-zfs-dataset-is-gone-after-system-upgrade-reboot-ubuntu
>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2182340
>http://www.faqforge.com/linux/controlpanels/ispconfig3/i-get-the-following-error-message-after-an-ubuntu-upgrade-s_connect-failed-permission-denied-invalid-user-specified/
>http://strayobject.co.uk/2014/07/16/ubuntu-12-04-to-14-04-upgrade-failed-to-start-session-error/
>http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/238598-50-ubuntu-upgrade-failed-stuck-boot-menu
>https://ubuntu-mate.community/t/upgrade-to-15-10-mate-fails-whats-the-deal-here/2629
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/622914/all-data-gone-after-upgrade-from-ubuntu-14-04-to-15-04-through-bootable-installe
>http://galigio.org/2009/11/29/how-to-repair-a-bad-upgrade-on-ubuntu/
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/504846/upgrading-from-12-04-3-lts-to-14-04-1-lts-failure
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/153131/how-do-you-recover-from-a-failed-upgrade-apt-get-f-install-and-dpkg-confi
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/310718/data-lost-after-installing-ubuntu-any-chance-of-recovery
>http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1743562
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/622914/all-data-gone-after-upgrade-from-ubuntu-14-04-to-15-04-through-bootable-installe
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/561895/how-to-recover-lost-data-during-upgrade-from-12-10-to-14-04-1lts
>http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/98622/how-to-repair-ubuntu-after-upgrade-from-recovery-mode
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/153131/how-do-you-recover-from-a-failed-upgrade-apt-get-f-install-and-dpkg-confi
>http://askubuntu.com/questions/121865/how-to-recover-an-interrupted-12-04-upgrade-from-11-10
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/960092
..I could continue here..
>>51856424
>mfw hiro didn't buy 4chan
>he bought just two pounds of hardware and it came with a 4chan inside as a bonus
>>51867637
Hahaha..
>>51854469
be open source
not spy on me
be customizable
it's not 5 but it's enough for me
>>51854469
>You have exactly ten seconds to post five things Linux can do better than Windows.
Faster. Package management. Programming environment. Supporting proper file systems (most of which are better than windows). Better POSIX compatibility. Better desktop environments. Safer. Dynamically linked for the most part (which is safer more often than not). Doesn't spy on you. Modular. Superior font rendering (fontconfig-ultimate).
>>51858005
>>51858013
>>51858024
Stop posting that "Best Buy Employees Documentation", you fucking fuck.
>>51867594
lol what?
Try comparing this to the millions of users keked by the upgrade from say 2000 to XP or the upgrade from Vista to 7. Upgrade installs always a shit.
