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>Requesting purchase advice:
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>Previous thread:
>>51794075
>mfw someone from philips just called me about my x2 replacement
>they can't do replacements to canada
>will be getting a cheque in the mail for 300USD+tax instead
>mfw i never paid for these to begin with
>>51804397
So you have them on loan from the store, my african american gentleman?
>>51804468
I kek'd
I'm an audio nublet, so excuse the following stupid question:
If I bought a pair of flat frequency response headphones(m70x, k712) would I be able to simply adjust them within an equalizer to get the desired sound?
Will an amp increase the volume on already easy to drive headphones?
All my headphones get decently loud, but I want them to go even louder.
>>51804537
Yes.
>>51804537
Yes
>>51804552
To what extent? As in, why would anyone buy anything colored ever
>>51804561
Because colored headphones are usually cheaper.
>>51804537
Yes, that's what EQ does. You could theoretically make AKGs sound like Beats. You can do the same on any headphone although there will be some differences in fidelity and texture.
>>51804575
Why is everyone so clueless here? The most expensive headphones in the world are colored as fuck.
>>51804561
Because highly sophisticated technology will create unique combinations of sonic characteristics that you can't replicate with basic EQ, at least not easily. This is what people pay money for. Also I don't know why you think it has to be neutral to EQ it.
>>51804587
So, should I be looking into flat headphones instead of stuff like hd650, x2s, ext..?
Real people with jobs hour, smash like if u up
>>51804626
>The most expensive headphones in the world are colored as fuck.
I said "usually". The least colored headphones you can get for $50 will be more colored than the least colored headphones you can get for $200 which will be more colored than the least colored headphones you can get for $500. It's a simple concept.
>>51804626
Also I don't know why you think it has to be neutral to EQ it.
I didn't, just thought about grabbing some flatter cans and adjusting them accordingly.
>>51804636
No, that doesn't make any sense. If you're just gonna rape your music with EQ then all you need to do is find headphones with good technical ability and fidelity. If you buy a bright headphone, you would just need to compensate a little more for the increased treble.
>>51804670
>Tfw forgot greentext
>>51804670
think of this way, you can always adjust quantity with EQ but quality has to be built in. loose and thin bass can be made louder but you'll never copy the tightness and extension of better headphones if yours can't already handle it
thread died right as I posted this
>budget: $300, flexible up to $500 (I also require a headphone amp)
>Source: amp, pc, phone
>closed
>Comfort level: needs to be comfortable enough for a 5+ hour drum session
>Preferred tonal balance: bassy, need to hear click track and or bass guitar player
>Preferred music: black metal, psychedelic rock, math rock
>Past headphones:, V-MODA Crossfade LP 2 (really liked these, only used for a few days as I was borrowing them), Sennheiser HD 558 (current every day headphone)
I'm a drummer, so I need to keep sound out so I can hear a metronome, click track, or my bassist while we're playing. I also would like a headphone amp for every day listening, most likely to use with my 558s, they're really good for lighter music (folk, drone, blues, jazz) but for extreme music (black metal) I don't think they cut it without an amp. I quite enjoyed the v-modas, they seemed to isolate pretty well, but would like some second opinions as my hearing is already pretty bad and the only way to hear my click track is use my 558s pumped up which damages my ears further.
money isn't an issue, don't want diminishing returns though
>>51804834
Beyer made a headphone exactly for this purpose.
>Beyerdynamic's DT 770 M 80 is a closed dynamic headphone designed especially for drummers and FOH monitoring live on stage and in studios, providing excellent isolation against ambient noise.
>>51804747
Thanks.
>>51804537
No, there will be distortion and you will lose detail in the sound, .i.e bloated sound
>>51804538
Yes
>>51804747
>>51804670
Time and frequency response go together and this is a concept that people don't seem to understand.
I have an m50x, how do I eq these bad boys to get muh highs back?
>>51805089
>m50s
>highs
>pick one
>>51805109
EQ solves everything. I ask again...
>>51805089
Take sine sweep into highs and fill in dips and troughs in response.
>>51805021
Any amp recommendations? Magni 2 or just get an e10k?
>mfw listening treble heavy songs with unequalized k7xx
>>51804537
M70x and K712 are not flat response headphones, but yes you can adjust any headphone once it has sufficient bandwidth and your amplifier has sufficient headroom.
Is the bitfenix flo any good?
https://www.bitfenix.com/global/en/products/audio/flo/
If not what are some good headphones, with microphones, wich you can take with you?
Or is it better to buy a magnetic mic that you can stick to your headphones?
Hd650 vs x2 vs dt 990
What is /hpg/'s opinion
>>51805719
I would get the HD650.
More neutral than the other two, no nasty sibilance.
How neutral is a K612 pro?
Can the XPT-100 be considered an upgrade in sound quality from M50s? I'm looking at them primarily for comfort, but I'm curious what /hpg/ has to say on the topic.
>>51805719
Down syndrome affected audiophiles recommend a HD650.
Average consumers who just want a super and easy-to-drive all-around headphone to get the best out of their music/movies/games recommend X2.
> DT 990
Ahah! Nice joke anon :)
>>51805838
It's so neutral it pleases even the most socially awkward audiophile, but it needs a concert-tier amp to be driven properly.
>>51804381
any opinions on denon ah-d7100? nobody ever seems to mention them.
>>51805838
No bass
>>51805369
> everything sounds gorgeous on my Fidelio X2
> mfw I don't need to spend extra money for an amp
> mfw I don't need to spend ages on fruitless EQ
>>51804538
Yes, but before buying an amp you should check your hearing
>>51805838
Quite neutral, not as neutral as HD600 however.
>>51804994
Incorrect
If they were the same price, 400i or X2?
>>51806381
400i, X2 is terrible, boomy bass and a nasty treble peak.
Though at that price, I'd get HD650/HD600/DT880.
>>51806381
Hifiman
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/high-end-pc-audio,3733-19.html
>Using world-class headphones, a $2 Realtek integrated audio codec could not be reliably distinguished from the $2000 Benchmark DAC2 HGC in a four-device round-up
Have you guys been memeing me along?
>>51805719
X2>hd650>>>>>≥>>>>>>>>>>>>≥>>>>>dt990. Beyers cost 150€ vs 300€+ like the others. Also Tyll att innerfidelity says X2 is better than HD600s, (which is better than 650 according to him)
>>51806406
No. That's the consensus here aside from the few who still believe in amplifier and DAC pixie dust. There are situations where you will want to have an amplifier and some where a dedicated DAC is a sound purchase but most new on board codecs are damn good for driving a vast majority of headphones on the market. I personally got O2+ODAC combo for a peace of mind and headroom. Using HD 800s. I would like to get that Benchmark DAC2 HGC... No good prices around here tho.
>>51806406
I have been saying this for a while. A amp is another thing but a dac is a dac.
>>51806406
The test is not rigorous at all, but /hpg/ isn't the one trying to sell you on electronics gear.
>>51806168
Pretty bad/disappointing compared to d2000/5000/7000. Denon kinda just slipped off after that happened,
Is there any program I can install that will improve surround sound on headphones?
>>51806726
Equalizer APO
Anybody a fan ?
>>51806773
I still don't understand why anyone would pick 668B over 681.
I've been debating cancelling my HD598 order and just putting out the extra money for the Fidelio X2's or something else in the $300 range.
What do?
>>51806904
Wait for HE-400i to drop back down to $300.
>>51806904
Fidelio X2 belongs to a different category and its sound signature is different from the HD598. If you can spend more money, the X2 are definitely woth them. They are super easy to drive and they sound awesome without an amp.
Faggots,
i need new headphones, my old pair has died is misery
This is what i had
>http://www.amazon.com/Creative-Blaster-Tactic3D-Gaming-Headset/dp/B0041OQKIC
They sat rather comfy and had good sound
Im think of getting the sony mdr 7506, i like the design and heard good shit about the build quality
Thing is, i never ever head onears in my life,m only overears
Do you think the transition will be smooth?
To kinda give an idea of what i want for sound:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCasviuaTUo
I want to hear this intro smooth af fuck with all the noises and bass
fuck man, I've got a K612 and a DT880 premium here and not 100% satisfied with any of them. K612 has not enough bass (i.e. non-existent), while the DT880 sounds muffled and even not that good as the K612 (except bass).
Hifi headphones that sounds like X2 and the HD600 under 500
>150-300
>Gooseland (Canada)
>Laptop, phone, 3DS and Vita
>Full sized
>Comfortable for a 3-5 hours gaming session or traveling on plane. Don't know if it should be here but I also want noise cancelling.
>Hip Hop, Jazz, EDM, vidya ost (sometimes pop)
>Sennheiser MOMENTUM In-Ear headphones. It was good but it went to shit for about 5-6 months.
Any ideas guys?
>>51807105
Return the K612 and play around with the more on the DT880. Fill in region from 1-4kHz some, reduce upper bass a bit, and so on.
>>51804381
I fixed your image.
>>51807145
i can honestly recommend the K55X models
>>51807105
>fell for the Beyer/AKG meme
Should have gotten a HD600 family.
EQ the DT880, K612 isn't sealing on your head.
>>51807320
HD600 and HD650 are about 330€ in Germany, while K612 is 150€ and the DT880 200€, so that's that.
I know /g/ like headphones, but I really need a headset for Playstation 4 and pc, can you help me?
>>51807105
Sell them both along with the amps and buy a X2.
>>51807320
So you saying AKG is bad?
I got recommended by this guy about it >>51807277
Is it not that good or mediocre?
>>51807167
I bet you convert mp3 into flac thinking it does improve quality.
>>51807133
Literally X2's.
>>51806821
Who knows, maybe they don't like the 681 colors?
>>51807415
Takstar TS-671 + Turtle Beach DSS1 (not 2, the old one) + Sony Mic
It'll cost you about 68 bucks or so.
>>51804636
you want headphones that fit closely to your desired signature already, then touch it up with eq. eq is not perfect and is best used as minimally as possible. eq has situations where it works well and situations where it works poorly. you cannot eq an ipod earbud to sound like an hd800.
>>51807666
>you cannot eq an ipod earbud to sound like an hd800.
Mainly because one is an earbud and the other is an circumaural headphone.
>>51807471
not all AKGs are bad
it's the same for every headphone company
>>51806514
Deep, anon.
Considering AD500x or TakStar 2050 for gamin headphones specifically mgsV:the Phantom Pain.
Which is superior?
>>51804636
The base coloration matters little besides avoiding extreme nulls in the response. Get whatever is comfortable if you only really plan on using it with EQ.
There is no getting around EQ, and people who talk about purity of sound without EQ have inferior sound and are hurting their own ability to get the sound that they want.
>>51805719
I'd say hd650
Just out of curiosity I tried to check the specs of my motherboard sound card (Realtek HD ALC277) but I didn't find it on the Realtek website. Why? Does anyone have the same issue?
Second question: is there anybody here using Musicbee as main music player? Do you set Direct Sound, Asio or Wasapi as default output in player settings?
>>51807666
>you cannot eq an ipod earbud to sound like an hd800
You can do that, you just need a lot of headroom.
http://clarityfidelity.blogspot.com/2015/05/apple-earbuds-earbud.html
>>51807649
Not the anon you answered but I'd like to know your thoughts on the ts-671, I was thinking of picking up a pair. Also if you could say what other headphones you have so I know what your coming from
>>51807944
>same issue?
What issue?
ASIO and WASAPI are for exclusive sound usage by the player. DS if you don't want sound to be cut from all other devices.
>>51807999
You might run into physical driver limits first, but does apple even sell the buds anymore?
>>51808045
>You might run into physical driver limits first, but does apple even sell the buds anymore?
It's been discontinued, only their dual-driver IEM and EarPods are in production.
Commends on HD558?
Do they need an amp?
Is there a headphone that is a direct upgrade to the X2s, as in similar tight bass and generally warm sound?
>>51808118
Doesn't need an amp for volume, but it might need one to get the best sound quality out of it.
>>51808118
No.
>>51808140
>X2
>tight bass
>>51808140
>tight bass
>>51808155
>>True facts with greentext
Thanks for agreeing, anon
>>51808140
Sennheiser HD 650.
>>51808151
Go back to head-fi.
>>51808140
>Dat boomy midbass hump
>Tight
The funny thing is a proper seal instead of that velour would probably tighten up that bass a lot.
>>51808172
Have some actual facts.
>>51808175
Well meme'd friend.
HD558's impedance at 90Hz is very high and makes it sound boomy on some sources.
>>51808207
Higher impedance would make it sound tighter, you're fucking retarded.
>>51808182
>>51808167
>>51808155
In all honesty, I've never heard them. Just heard somebody describe the bass as tight(which is a negative, to me.) But, I have about 350-400 U.S dollars to spend and was wondering if there was anything better I could get for the money.
>>51808225
No, lower impedance makes it sound tighter, not as tight as your girlfriend's pussy however.
Someone pls answer this >>51807899
>>51808253
Lower impedance makes it sound boomier and looser on a source that can't compensate with a low output impedance.
>at least I have a girlfriend
>>51808251
If you want warm headphones in that range, >>51808173 seems like what you're looking for.
>>51808251
Tight means flat/accurate. That's good.
>Budget
£100-£120
>Location
UK
>Source
PC. Has a decent built-in audio solution, but I doubt I'll max it on this budget
>Preferred type of headphone
Over-ear, closed
>Comfort level
Breddy important, will be worn for hours on end
>Preferred tonal balance & music
Will be used for profeshunal cunt-strike gaymen, so whatever works here. How music isn't super important, I already have an adequate pair of speakers I listen to music through.
>Past headphones
Turtle Beach X31, Microsoft LX3000. I know, fucking pitiful, but that's why I'm here.
A microphone would be nice, but I'll probably just pick up a modmic or desk mic or something.
>>51808265
>for gaming
Pick whatever looks nicer.
>>51808272
I'm not sure if you understand impedance vs frequency with those half-assed shit you've been posting.
>>51808278
Subjectively.
>>51808291
so you've never used either and are just shitposting.
![Sennheiser_HD%20558_fr_amp_flat[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/4nLF6Nn.png "Sennheiser HD%20558 fr amp flat[1]")
>>51808310
I'm not sure you do. Impedance at a frequency going up does not mean the response at that frequency going up as you're trying to imply. Higher output impedance on the amp in pic related is equivalent to lowering impedance on the headphone.
>>51808334
Asking for headphones 'for gaming' is stupid because any headphone that can produce a sound is good 'for gaming'.
>>51808279
HyperX Cloud II
>>51808373
>Asking for headphones 'for gaming' is stupid because any headphone that can produce a sound is good 'for gaming'.
They say to use open headphones for gaming m8. Closed headphones for everything else.
>>51808397
>le soundstage positional accuracy meme
Go ask head-fi.
So I just got some HD558s from Best Buy (they're on a flash sale for $80). These are my first pair of decent headphones coming from a $15 pair of Sonys. Plugged into my ipod, the sound is not too strong but obviously better than anything else I own. Plugged into my computer is noticeably better than the portable, and listening to some of my favorite albums in these is incredible.
My question is: how much of a difference will it make to buy a small amp compared to a direct connection to my laptop's headphone port? Should I wait until I upgrade past the 558's for the amp, or is it worth it to drop another $80 soon?
>>51804381
>Year 2006.
>Sennhei-shitter model number HD-5BULLSHIT purchased in 2001 for about $30 stops working right in the middle of playing GTA: Vice City, PC edition.
>Frantically search Internet for new pair.
>Find Sony MDR-XD200.
>Has really good reviews on Newegg and was on sale for about $25 at the time.
>Purchased them.
>Sounded really good, but not that great at noise canceling.
>Sound of lyrics and instruments become distorted at volume level slightly above medium.
>Fast forward to two weeks ago.
>Sony MDR-XDICKSUCK200s begin cracking and falling apart in the middle of playing Skyrim, PC edition.
>Have to use tape to hold them together.
>Somehow the sound begins to sound distorted at normal volumes the same way it does at higher levels.
>Decided <PEPE ENOUGH!>
>Frantically search Internet for new pair.
>Find JVC HA-RX700.
>Tons of glowing reviews saying how great they sound.
>Only $35.
>Purchase and they arrive today.
>Nice thick long cord. Built like a tank. Fits over entire ears of my big head. Cancels the fuck out of noise.
>AND YET... sound quality isn't as near as crisp as the previous Sony cans.
I'm never buying a sub $100 pair of headphones EVER again.
>>51808412
Get an amp mostly if the sound doesn't go high enough for you.
Also, did you do the foam mod?
>>51808406
I'm posting here. If you don't know anything about the AD500x or the TakStar 2050 then just bow out, gracefully.
>>51808373
>I'm not sure you do. Impedance at a frequency going up does not mean the response at that frequency going up as you're trying to imply. Higher output impedance on the amp in pic related is equivalent to lowering impedance on the headphone.
The fuck am I reading.
>>51808451
I know plenty about them for music listening. Again, 'headphones for gaming' is the dumbest concept anyone can come up with. Just buy a gaming headset or something if you're going to be an autistic little shit who can't accept that he got meme'd with 'gaming features' of a headphone sound signature.
>>51808463
Something you probably should have learned before coming here to shitpost your misinformation.
>>51808428
Why not? Those MDR-XD200 seem to have lasted you almost a decade, which is damn good for $25.
Just buy MDR-V6/7506 if you want durability with good sound under $100, aside from flaky pads that you'll have to replace every few years.
>>51808480
>Something you probably should have learned before coming here to shitpost your misinformation.
Sure buddy, I can say the same for you.
>>51808501
Feel free to prove otherwise with something other than your 'word'.
>>51808437
I haven't yet, I'm just experimenting straight out of the box atm. I've heard mixed results, what is the mod supposed to accomplish? More punch in the bass?
>>51808480
>Being uneducated in the year 2015 where all information ever is available for free
Certain headphones are better for gaming. Almost objectively.
>>51808521
You seem confused by a relatively simple concept.
>>51808532
>Certain headphones are better for gaming. Almost objectively.
In what way? If you start spouting nonsense like soundstaging and positional accuracy you're just going to prove that you
- know nothing about headphones
- are really, really fucking bad at FPS games
>>51808547
>M50
>impedance swing
Good job showing how retarded you are.
>>51808527
Yes, improves the bass and makes the HD558 sound almost the same as the more expensive HD598.
>>51808562
Exactly, learn about impedance vs frequency before posting here.
I don't fucking get it
Why are open headphones supposed to be better for muh games then closed ones?(FPS mainly)
>>51808562
Why would me telling you about sound stage and separation be nonsense? Are these things not part of your religion?
>>51808581
Still waiting for you to prove what you're trying to imply because you still can't disprove the fact I've been repeating.
>>51808613
N-no.
>>51808625
lol thanks for submitting to me early and making this argument early. Beta male.
>>51808625
No shit, I knew the M50 has a flat impedance from 20Hz-20kHz, how about you prove your point here:
>>51808373
>>51806381
The 400i's have been dropping to 300 off and on on amazon.
Keep an eye out.
>>51808652
smhtbh.
>>51808589
Sound stage. You can hear where noises are coming from better with opens.
>>51808658
HD558 has an impedance swing and because of that a voltage swing from the amp which causes those changes at that frequency coming from the amp, depending on the output impedance of the amp. Orthos don't exhibit this because they have flat impedances like those M50s
l2electricaldamping
>>51808699
Right but your point:
> Impedance at a frequency going up does not mean the response at that frequency going up as you're trying to imply
has yet to be proven. FR changes of HD558 matches impedance swing here >>51808207
>>51808720
>>51808589
>>51808562
same fag
>>51808562
>In what way? If you start spouting nonsense like soundstaging and positional accuracy you're just going to prove that you
I'm sitting in a room with my bro and I want to be able to hear
1) him talking
2) my phone, any other device
3) better soundstage
This is why Logan recommends open.
>>51808778
rekt
>>51808045
huh? did you even read what I wrote in >>51807944?
> What issue?
The fact that a Realtek sound card can't be found on the Realtek official website
> ASIO and WASAPI are for exclusive sound usage by the player. DS if you don't want sound to be cut from all other devices.
I was talking about Musicbee, I don't care for other devices. I was simply asking if Asio or Wasapi make music sound better than DS.
>>51808754
No not really tho :/
Im>>51808589 and I asked it because my amperiors are a fucktonne better than my HD518 ( i know theyre half open) at letting me hear approaching enemies in ***** FPS
>>51808225
higher impedance makes it sound tighter only on sources with low output impedance. That is essentially the problem if you use the 558 without an amp.
>>51808748
I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You try to make a sweeping generalization that lower impedance makes for a tighter response but that only has relevance with electrical damping and the headphone/amp, not with the swing of the headphone itself.
>>51808778
I love this Tek Syndicate trying to do audio meme. The speaker guide quite literally gave me herpes.
>>51808846
???
Higher impedance makes it sound tighter on a bigger variety of sources. You don't need a 'lower' output impedance for a headphone with 'higher' impedance.
>>51808846
1 ohm output impedace + 8 ohm headphone
would have the same dampaning as
10 ohm output impedance + an 80 ohm headphone?
>>51808864
>I don't even know what you're trying to say here. You try to make a sweeping generalization that lower impedance makes for a tighter response but that only has relevance with electrical damping and the headphone/amp, not with the swing of the headphone itself.
I don't even know what the fuck you're even trying to argue, faggot? Impedance varies with frequency response. Lower output impedance makes for a tighter response. High output impedance on a headphone with an impedance swing changes the FR. Just admit you fucked up with this silly semantic debate.
>>51808891
I have said nothing wrong though. You're the one who literally said "low impedance means tighter bass"
>>51808843
probably because your amperiors actually have treble
>>51808182
>The funny thing is a proper seal instead of that velour would probably tighten up that bass a lot.
Probably not, and it would degrade the sound by more than a little.
>>51808827
>I was simply asking if Asio or Wasapi make music sound better than DS.
That's what they do, and display processing done outside of the player. Nothing else about being better or worse.
>>51808864
idiot
>>51808910
I was referring to low output impedance, son.
>>51808936
>HD558's impedance at 90Hz is very high and makes it sound boomy on some sources.
>>51808932
u sure showed meeeee
>>51808965
But my post isn't wrong though. It's 280ohms at 90Hz and 50ohms at 1kHz.
>>51809028
Yes and the 280ohm at 90hz would have much higher damping than the 50ohm at 1khz on the same output impedance amplifier, making it tighter, not boomier.
>>51808864
>>51808874
The higher headphone impedance is used to reduce power at 100hz by reducing current under the assumption the voltage remains constant. That assumption is only true if the output impedance is low relative to the nominal impedance.
The 558 not needing an amp is basically just a meme and not true.
>>51808891
What are we talking about? The FR change comes with the decreased EMF applied in opposition to driver motion, a decrease in electrcal damping.
>>51809047
smhtbhfam
http://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/02/headphone-amp-impedance.html
>>51809177
Make sure to read it well and maybe come back next time not trying to imply higher damping results is boomier, less controlled bass response.
if anyone owns a hd558 or 598, and is using a mobo with a realtek chipset, you can actually increase the output impedance by doing connector retasking in the realtek panel thingy.
Setting it to "front speaker out" instead of headphones will give you a line out with high output impedance. Then you can hear the bass of the sennheisers get ridiculously bloated.
I wear these they're so kawaii axentwear.com
>>51809216
Wasn't my post, also see:
>>51809124
Also I never implied that about damping.
To quote NwAvGuy's blog from the link posted above:
>As output impedance increases electrical damping is reduced. The bass performance of the headphones, as designed by the manufacture, may be audibly compromised if there’s insufficient damping. The bass might become more “boomy” and less controlled. The transient response becomes worse and the deep bass performance is compromised (the headphones will roll off sooner at low frequencies). A few, such as those who like a very warm “tube like” sound, might enjoy this sort of under damped bass. But it’s almost always less accurate compared to using a low impedance source.
>>51809145
No idea.
>>51809392
You're doing nothing but agreeing with me here.
How good is the Creative Sound Blaster X7? Is there something better I should get for the same price?
>Budget
$100-$200
>Location
USA
>Source
Desktop
>Open or closed
Open
>Comfort level
Really important
>Preferred tonal balance
Not too picky on this. I'd like something similar to the AD700s, but with more bass.
>Past headphones
AD700
Any ideas?
I want to learn more about headphones and how specs change hearing. Where can i learn about them?
>>51809630
ODAC
I have ath ws99 I got them for 60$ did I fuck up
>>51809910
>ODAC on its own
>>51809970
add O2 or whatev m8
Alright boiz, I'm gonna order the x2's tonight. I've got a 600ohm soundcard currently, do I need anything else to max these cans?
>>51810021
or just use onboard lmao
>>51810026
>I've got a 600ohm soundcard
smfh
>>51810036
I apologize, I am a complete noob. pls explain why what I said was incorrect/cringe
>>51810036
>or just use onboard
Except when onboard sucks.
>>51810026
no they're great without an amp and you don't even need EQ
>>51810026
>I've got a 600ohm soundcard
grado
>>51810085
Sorry, would the correct term be "I have a soundcard capable of pushing 600ohm headphones" ?
>>51805719
HD 650 senpai
>>51808118
>Do they need an amp?
No, you do want relatively low output impedance. On board is probably just fine.
>>51808199
>square wave
>headphone measurements
Just post the fr.
>>51810113
>Sorry, would the correct term be "I have a soundcard capable of pushing 600ohm headphones" ?
Means nothing.
>>51810113
You're going to have a huge amount of impedance with that shit. Get a dedicated DAC/AMP
>>51810147
Thanks. Any recommendations that cost under $100?
Listening to Tubular Bells on my Fidelio X2 is pure bliss. Did anyone of you ever try this experience?
>>51810168
Not him, but check out the SMSL SD793-II.
>>51810168
Better go to a pawn shop or ebay or something if thats all you have
>>51810066
which is unlikely in this day and age
>>51810147
>DAC/AMP
Anon has a sound card. Why would you recommend him an external DAC?
>>51810168
Just get an amplifier if you feel like it. O2 or Magni, whichever you get the cheaper. You will be set for whatever headphones you might upgrade to in the future.
>>51810205
>Anon has a sound card. Why would you recommend him an external DAC?
he has shit realtek. Best to kill 2 birds with one stone and git something gud
>>51810139
>Just post the fr.
I would if people knew how to read it. There's a lot less to argue about when it comes to square waves.
>>51810245
Realtek is already good, a DAC is useless.
>>51810245
How do you know anon uses a Realtek? You really think Realtek equals shit as a DAC in 2015?
>>51810026
Which sound card is it?
>>51810286
Lowest-end soundblaster card, Audigy FX
>>51807899
Takstar 2050 are the same as Hyper X cloud. Safe choice imo if you go with the open model
>>51810273
>a DAC is useless
>>51810286
>How do you know anon uses a Realtek?
>>51810314
wow it also has 24bit 192 khz option!!!
>>51810346
obviously he means a discrete DAC, retard
>>51805719
X2 just based on price to performance. Dt990 is colored garbage, hd650 is almost 100$ more expensive than x2 (and less premium build) so x2 is an easy choice for a budding audiophile tjats not gonnas waste hundreds on placebo amps
>>51810363
Explain.
>>51810412
it's super good!!
>>51808412
Dont buy an amp, its placebo unless you own real top 5 headphones
>>51810423
Lol, I feel as if you're being sarcastic. Please educate me.
>>51810256
There's not much that the square wave say in the first place.
>>51809893
Depends how much you want to know.
>>51810384
X2 is colored garbage though with boomy unextended bass.
there's some serious wishful thinking here with people assuming all onboard audio is good nowadays.
Onboard audio will generally have high output impedance, high distortion, and weird noise issues due to improper grounding. There's a chance you happen to have a motherboard sku that fixed all these issues, but I wouldn't bet on it.
Anyway, I'd say just pay the extra $70 for a fiio e10k. You fags pay more than that for keyboards I bet.
>>51810471
Stop posting when you don't know what you're talking about you massive retard. This isn't 2005 and FiiOs are garbage anyway.
>>51809287
Fuuuark, thanks for the tip bro, this will come handy
>>51810499
pls be pasta
>>51810552
pls fuck off until you have a clue
>>51810448
it's higher than 16bit 44.1 khz then it must be more hi-fi
>>51810454
Hahahahahahahahaahahaahahahahahahahahajajajajahhaahajaahahahahahasjddjfkfk
Fuck, then even the maestro of headphone reviews, Tyll, has to be wrong
(Pro tip: read his review)
Please anon show me ur ways and connect that golden sennheiser headphone plug in my anus
>>51810590
>Tyll
Then I assume you buy meme audiophile cables too?
>>51810454
You're the best meme collectioner I've met so far
>>51810555
>triggered this hard
holy shit
>>51810586
Alright, thanks man. Sorry for being a 100% nublet
>>51810620
Feel free to prove me wrong.
>>51810471
Unless you cheaped on a motherboard with your last computer build in 2007 the on board solution is likely good. Realtek codec headphone outs have output impedance of two to ten ohms which is in perfectly acceptable range for most headphones. Distortion is something you'd have to worry if you plug in a low impedance and power hungry planar into your on board but I find that to be quite unlikely. Noises due to poor grounding and interference can be a problem but the majority of motherboard do not have any audible issues like that. If you do have those kinds of problems, get an external DAC and something with a nice headphone output like O2. If you just want to be sure you won't be running into any issues ever and aren't bothered by spending a few hundred for it. get a decent DAC and amplifier.
>>51810628
http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html
>>51810630
it's ok dude, Shitheiser and Beyershitamish are probably the only brands you know and since they don't have bass at all, your definiton of X2 as boomy is totally justifiable.
>>51810661
Good thing Beyers have more and better bass than the X2. Sennheiser too with the HD800.
>>51810643
>Realtek codec headphone outs have output impedance of two to ten ohms
Source?
>>51810688
> HD800 : 1000$>
> X2: 300$
I hope the unboomy bass of the HD800 is worth its 700$ extra
>>51810688
Great b8
>>51810727
>DT990/770 ~$150-$200
>>51810747
so what? They suck compared to the X2
>>51810730
YEAH I SURE DO LOVE BOOMY EXAGGERATED MIDBASS AT 100HZ WITH EVERYTHING BELOW 50HZ ROLLED OFF INTO THE DEPTHS OF HELL LIKE A NOBASS SENNHEISER HEADPHONE. GREAT BASS WOULD BASS AGAIN.
>>51810757
Objectively wrong.
>>51810611
He is just one example, they are universally lauded, havent even come across a negative review of them. But imo they arent boomy at all, there is a lot of detail in bass and it extends low, you are just used to nobass open dynamics. Supremely balanced, even the usually annoying 5-8khz frequency part has been carved out specifically to not cause resonance in your ear canals
>>51810766
>caps lock reddit meme
lol ok kid
>>51810766
> never heard bass on an open headphone in my life
> let me just spout the "X2 is boomy midbass shit" meme
>>51810803
>they are universally lauded
>there is a lot of detail in bass and it extends low
Just more blatant lies that you literally can not back up.
>>51810815
But I have, DT990 has better bass than the X2. Objectively. You can stop posting now.
>>51810833
> objectively
> "wanna see my graphs, babe?"
>>51810833
>Objectively
Baiting again, I see.
>>51810815
> let me just spout the "X2 is boomy midbass shit" meme
Not him but anyone can look at the FR for the X2 and see that's exactly what the bass is like. It's like looking at the bass measurements of a planar when you bust the seal to the dummy head.
>>51810857
>i can't prove it but i swear on me mum its true!
>>51810864
Feel free to find me any frequency response graph of the X2 showing it properly extending to 20hz without rolling off beforehand.
>>51810873
Feel free to continue saying that x pair of headphones sound better than x pair of headphones. Obvious bait is obvious.
>>51810870
>>51810873
> I can't find an argument
> graphs are all that matters
> what is sound balance?
>>51810714
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/audio-codec-comparison-table/2/
idk senpai hard to even find any chips with more than 2 Ohms of output impedance. Some had just one Ohm.
>>51810893
I said the bass on the DT990 is better than on the X2 and it's entirely true. You can keep up with that strawman though.
>>51810912
lol..
>bass
>better
>No guys its objective
>>51810833
>oh god my sennheisers are so good they dont even match the left and right drivers :^)
>>51810908
>X2
>balance
lmao
>>51810908
>Giant midbass hump with no sub bass
It's the literal definition of boomy midbass.
>>51810930
So now you're complaining about bass being a bad then when you're trying to shill the X2 as being a good bass headphone. smfh
>>51810931
>treble spike
>boomy midbass
>subbass rolloff
>no mids
Could have just gotten Beyers for less.
X2 shills are genuinely retarded.
>>51810959
Not once have I said anything positive about the x2s.
>>51810989
Why are you even a part of this discussion then? Fuck off.
>>51810936
Check the definition of "balance" on the dictionary, before trying to act cool
>>51810959
Hahahahahahaha cant even read graphs can you? Niggger confirmed.
Carved out treble. Bass extension is way better than sennheisers and also:
Matching drivers.
Enjoy your left ear, or right. Depends on which the driver is louder on :^)
>>51810931
>has to resort into shitting on a random, unrelated brand to defend a purchase
truly hilarious. x1 was much better.
>>51811013
>peaky treble
>midrange suckout
>no subbass
>boomy midbass
literally a rollercoaster, in no way 'balanced'
>>51811024
>using nobass Sennheisers as a way to prove the X2 are extended
LMFAO DESPERATE RETARDS
>>51811001
>trying to tell an alpha male(such as myself) what to do
>2015
>>51811051
consider suicide tbqh kissless virgin beta faggot. $50 says you're literal manlet status (under 6ft)
>>51811046
> rollecoaster
> balance = flat FR
Retarded spotted
>>51811068
>Being so insecure that you have to define manlet 4 inches under the actual definition
>>51811028
Sennheiser owner is buttmad. We were talking about balanced headphones, hd600 are considered balanced by many, but thats if you follow a straight line. Human hearing isnt a straight line graph though. Also get real, x2 improved on the x1....
>>51811083
balance = equal amounts of bass treble and midrange
>>51811086
>being a giraffe
6'2-6'4 is literal sweetspot
>>51811096
>Human hearing isnt a straight line graph though
these graphs are already compensated for that smfh
>>51811105
>6'4
Have fun reaching your headphones from your wallmount. Beta
>>51811096
Absolutely nothing you just said made any fucking sense.
>>51811046
Now this is what I call shitposting
>calling literal boomheisers nobass
Its like you dont even own a pair of headphones. Can you post pics of your headphones m8?
>>51804381
what do you guys think of the Shure Se215? looking for an IEM in that price range.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Shure-SE215-Sound-Isolating-Earphones/dp/B004U9NH3E/ref=sr_1_3?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1449874394&sr=1-3&keywords=IEM
>>51811137
enjoy permanently being lanky lamppost
>>51811149
>hd600
>boomheiser
????????
>>51811164
very bassy, very comfy
"HD600 are too bassy" - /hpg/ shitposters 2015
>>51811126
Nope they arent, not real hearing at least, just calculated. Thats why reviewers love the x2 even though the graphs are off.
>>51811105
Don't mind, I have no doubts now that you have no idea of the meaning of balance concerning headphones...
>>51811196
>Nope they arent, not real hearing at least, just calculated.
lmao
>>51811196
>Thats why reviewers love the x2 even though the graphs are off.
ULTIMATE DAMAGE CONTROL
>graphs aren't relevant because they're shit!!!
If the X2 measured well you'd be posting the graphs here every day.
>>51811199
Just stop posting tbhfam.........
>>51811175
>comfy
I'm sold
>>51811171
>taking the bait
>>51811171
Du you know what boomy is? Not tight bass, and compared to the x2 they do have boomy bass...
Anyone know if the K701/702s and the Q701 sound the same?
>>51811243
X2 is extremely boomy and in no way tight.
>>51811225
I mean as comfy as universal IEMs get. Once you insert them properly the size and weight of the housing and routing of the cable is really nice. Using the SE535s personally and they are the only IEMs I've owned which are actually really effortless to wear.
>>51811220
I just posted it and explained it compensates for actual human hearing, ears dont tolerate 5-8khz trebles well due to resonance in ear canals and open headphones lack bass extension which is why philips has a bass hump to extend it further without sacrificing mids like dt990.
>>51811311
>without sacrificing mids
Time to wake up there, dreamer.
>>51811270
Yeah whatever buddy, Im pretty sure you dont own X2s and should not speak on them. Where are the boomy x2 reviews m8?
Alright, I see a lot of opinions and graphs thrown around here about the X2.
Can someone give me a clear explanation of how the bass on the X2s sound. Are they muddy, boomy, tight?? pls
>>51811365
>subjective reviews
I guess it makes sense that redditors would be pushing this kind of shit in support of their redditpnones
>>51811326
Huehue. For example lachlan says the mids are a little forward, so much for sacrificed mids
Just sacrifice urself
>>51811270
Boomy is an overused adjective and it's not accurate to describe the X2 sound. Boomy stands for a bloated and overwhelming bass, while X2 bass is detailed and it doesn't overshadow the other sounds.
>>51811326
He's right though. Have you ever listened to a X2 or are you just spouting memes for your personal enjoyment? Mids are lower than bass and treble on the X2, but this doesn't mean that they're sacrificed at all. Every frequency can be clearly heard on the X2, which is why people call it a balanced headphone.
>>51811386
Redditors? Go back to reddit m8
>>51811369
Tight, everybody claims that
>>51811398
>lachlan
Literally who?
>>51811417
>X2 bass is detailed
Prove it. Response clearly indicates midbass bloat and subbass rolloff.
>He's right though. Have you ever listened to a X2 or are you just spouting memes for your personal enjoyment?
You're literally just defending shit headphones because you have buyers remorse.
>>51811369
It's not muddy because it doesn't blend into the mids. It's not tight because it's colored. Boomy would be the most accurate description.
EQ your headphones to sound like it and make up your own mind.
>>51811311
>ears dont tolerate 5-8khz trebles well due to resonance in ear canals
wrong and that's concha resonance area. ear canal resonances at lower frequency of around 2khz iirc.
>and open headphones lack bass extension
not all of them.
>which is why philips has a bass hump to extend it further
but that's not x2. a headphone with bass extension to correlate with equal loudness contour should have exponentially rising bass right to the 20Hz mark. that's only possible with a parametric equalizer and something i would never want to do with the x2.
https://www.seeko.co.kr/zboard4/zboard.php?id=m_phones&page=2&sn1=&divpage=1&sn=off&ss=on&sc=off&select_arrange=headnum&desc=asc&no=82
>without sacrificing mids like dt990
you sacrifice the mids if you boost frequencies around it. there is no way around this.
>>51811369
boomy.
>>51811441
> Response clearly indicates...
Just no. FR can't tell whether a sound is detailed or not, it can only tell how loud a headphone plays certain frequencies. The only way to tell whether a headphone is detailed is by listening to it, which is why "subjective" opinions are as useful as graphs at this regard.
>You're literally just defending shit headphones because you have buyers remorse.
How did you come to this conclusion? are you playing the witty detective now?
>>51811516
>FR can't tell whether a sound is detailed or not
???? ? ???
goddamn stop posting
>>51811516
>FR can't tell whether a sound is detailed or not
Clearly you can't.
>How did you come to this conclusion?
HURDUR I BET U HAVENT EVEN LISTENED TO THESE HOW CAN U JUDGE THEM??
Like honestly just kill yourself redditor.
>>51811302
yeah, comforts a massive deal to me. I'm new to this so I'm just looking for something comfortable that price wise is just around/before the point of diminishing returns.
>>51808919
But the footsteps are actually VERY low in frequency.
They both are comparatable in bass. . .
There must be a better explanation for this ;/
>>51811503
>ear canal resonances at lower frequency of around 2khz iirc.
Ear canal is 1/4 wave resonator with peaks at 2.7-3kHz and odd integer multiples of that frequency.
>>51811773
>footsteps
Just get game clue and a good team. Stop being bad.
Is there a disadvantage to using this eq with 598s?
Is there a headphone that is dt770 but sounds better?
>>51811876
The bass is going to distort and it doesn't look like you lowered the preamp enough which is going to cause clipping.
Click the green graph and show us what it looks like.
>>51811876
click on that graph button on the right and see how massively over the 0dbfs you are with q1.41 at 10db gain. then lower your gain and/or pewMP.
>>51811919
>pewMP
preamp*
>>51811897
dt770 with eq
>>51811876
No need to touch 10Hz, and adjust the Q so that you can hit the EQ curve better.
Q has an inverse relation to range of frequencies affected, lower it to to really get at the frequency response of your headphone.
Q can be defined as ratio of center frequency divided by frequency range. All those octave wide changes are too general.
>>51811993
lower your preamp by 4dB, remove the filter at 10Hz entirely and work on that EQ. it looks like you just EQ'd it by ear while listening to music or something. nothing specifically wrong with it but doesn't really look accurate in any way. use sine sweeps.
>>51811993
You want the green graph to be below 0 dB after you have ticked the box with "Add pre amplifying". You need to lower the preamp even more.
>>51811935
>dt770 with eq
where do i put the sliders
>>51811788
1.71 KD biatch is good enuf
>>51812123
couldn't tell you desu. you need to do it yourself. listen to sine sweeps, apply filters correctly at places where you hear coloration(peaks/dips). use EQ APO.
i still need to work on mine.
>>51812217
>i still need to work on mine.
You could start off by changing Snap gain to 0.1. It makes it easier to work with imo.
>>51812217
im not good with this shit anon
also my dt770s i use only for portable use
>>51810643
>>51810714
It really comes down to motherboard implementation, it can be pretty much anything. 50-100 ohms is common, 20-30 ohms is becoming somewhat common if you are lucky, and some high ends have 10 ohms or less which is good enough for pretty much all headphones.
The impedance in the datasheet only applies to motherboard manufacturing, it doesn't really relate to the motherboard's output impedance since the 2 ohm impedance can be increased or decreased depending on what is downstream of it.
>>51812414
Well, do you have a source for those numbers then?
>that feel when K7xx master race
>>51805719
X2, it's like a good mid-point between the two. It doesn't sound muffled and veiled like the 650 but it also doesn't have an enormous fuck you treble spike like the 990. you're pretty much guaranteed to like it.
>>51812784
Kill yourself shilliot.
>>51812784
Ive never tried phillips headphones but im considering them bc so many fuckin people love them
i dont even agree that the x2 has boomy bass, but what exactly is wrong with boomy bass in the first place? isnt that basically another way of saying impact, something people often seek from bass in a headphone?
and im not saying youre not allowed to have an opinion on boomy bass, it's just, YOURE saying that people are not allowed to like boomy bass as if it's objectively bad. thats wrong and you should feel bad, it's completely subjective at that point.
and in any case, the x2 does not have boomy bass. on SOME songs, it teeters a threshold, but its not many that ive heard, and i love trance, hiphop, etc. it just sounds great. the mids are recessed, it's obviously there, but its not an amount that makes you wonder where your vocals are.
people just take the graph and exaggerate everything they see on it, thats whats going on. try and listen to them, you might be suprised
>>51812992
>trying to trick people into buying garbage
"listen to it yourself before judging" is the oldest trick in the book, you'll have to try harder than that.
>>51812931
stay around hpg for a while. you'll notice there are basically 2 opinions on the x2: those who own them and love them, and those who shitpost about them because they feel insecure that so many people like them over older, more "established" headphones like the hd600. if any headphone shows up that threatens that area, same one the dt880 and k702 dominated (or used to), they get immediately attacked. same thing happened to the he400s and pretty much every planar, same thing happened to the k7xx, same thing happened to the ma900. don't listen to people who regurgitate memes, look up measurements from various sources and interpret them yourself. listen to impressions from people (not just on hpg) who actually own them and other headphones, people with listening experience. hpg has become a terrible place to find advice. better to look at the top recommendations in the old info-graphs and go from there.
>this entire thread
>>51813015
i mean firstly i precluded that statement with a ton of subjective opinion. the graphs have already been posted so theres no point in that, the only thing left is subjectivity, which with this headphone there seems to be quite a discussion about. even tyll admits that the fr chart does not really show what hes hearing. i think all of this combined perfectly demonstrates the importance of listening to these headphones for yourself, if any
>>51813038
thats mostly true, but almost everyone likes the 400i actually. theres a few people that think the 400s are better
>>51813042
more like
>every /hpg/ thread for the last few months
it's gotten as bad as when CG was around. the only times you can have a half-decent thread are when everyone is asleep.
>>51813071
>>51813071
>>51813071
New thread.
