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Intended for users of all levels, including absolute beginners.
There are three ways to try Linux, you can:
1) Install a Linux OS on a VM (Virtual Machine/VirtualBox) for "safety purposes"
2) Use the Live ISO directly without installing anything, that way, you can get a "full Linux experience".
3) Go balls deep and overwrite everything with Linux (not recommended)
If you are serious about switching to Linux and if you have Windows dual-booted (recommended for pure newbies),
we recommend you use it exclusively for 2 weeks, and avoid Windows dual booting for that period of time, or it's
likely you will start retreating back to windows instead of getting used to GNU/Linux as your new home and working on
making it feel the way you want it.
>Recommended for beginners:
-Ubuntu MATE
-Debian (For Broadcom devices, use an ISO that includes non-free firmware)
-openSUSE
-LinuxMint (a.k.a Ubuntu LTS + Cinnamon)
Before asking, please find the answers to your questions in resources.
Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly Linux Thread.
Understand that much of your software from Windows will be unavailable, although maybe wine can make up for it.
Resources:
man <insert command here>
your friendly neighborhood search engine
https://www.codecademy.com/en/courses/learn-the-command-line
https://wiki.archlinux.org/
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/
What is Linux (or GNU/Linux for Stallmanists)?
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux
Babby's First Linux (What distro to choose?)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Babbies_First_Linux
What software does /g/ recommend? (Please DON'T include the so called infographic -- refer all your recommended software here.)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/List_of_recommended_GNU/Linux_software
Ricing on Linux (Make it good and functional or make it worse like those at desktop threads)
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/GNU/Linux_ricing
A script designed to ease the transition from Windows to Debian
https://github.com/Chocolate-Chip-Computing/DebianNewbieScript
We now have an entry in the install Gentoo wiki!
https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php//flt/
IRC No one uses:
irc://irc.freenode.org:+7000/FriendlyLinux
>>51798904
> if you do anything related to making money with computers
Like graphics design?
Or 3D computer graphics?
Or photo manipulation?
Or audio production?
Or engineering/architecture?
Or video editing?
Or visual effect creation?
Or like anything other than coding?
How do I go about dual booting with windows 7 and debian? Downloading debian with kde. Doing my first install of anything linux tonight and am gonna goof around with it for a bit.
Also, should I've got a 290, should I use the video outputs on my board instead of my graphics cards since debian wont have my drivers installed right away?
Found a background for syslinux to use on bootup
>unf
>>51799189
Why are freetards so militant about software licenses, but have no qualms with stealing and mislabeling artwork?
>>51799227
I believe you've mistaken the anon for somebody who cares.
>>51799106
Welcome! Everything should be fine if you're careful. Pick whatever video output works, probably the onboard.
>>51799189
Daily reminder that every hot chick with any linux logo on clothes or tatto is a shitty shoop done by a lonely neckbeard.
Holy shit they even shooped a chinese cartoon drawing this time.
>>51798932
Fedora > Ubuntu
>>51799227
>>51799278
What can I say, I found it while looking for backgrounds and had to have it
>>51799306
You could at least find the original image with non-shitty resolution and shitty cropping.
>>51799106
It will have your graphics driver. Have fun.
>>51799189
Get a girlfriend
>>51799189
>1600x1200
>widescreen
>>51799278
There is an image collection with qt asian grills holding signs with GNU/Linux program names floating around.
>>51799768
Do you perchance have a link?
>sudo pacman -Syu
>122 updates
>ohboyherewego.jpg
>>51799783
If the thread is still up in a few hours I will post a link.
>>51799811
Cool, thanks
Does anyone know what kernel Debian 8.2 ships with?
>>51799944
You'd assume that Debian should know that and post that information somewhere on their website.
>>51799944
I got a choice of 3 or 4 last time I ran debian pretty sure
>>51799958
I honestly looked and couldn't find it
>>51799944
Stable is on 3.16. idk about testing or unstable
>>51799944
Just go look on Distrowatch.
>>51799984
god gamnit, Debian, get your shit together
>>51799983
thx
alright /g/
BTRFS or Ext4?
>>51800045
Ext4, but I don't actually know the advantages and disadvantages of different filesystems
>>51800045
Depends on your level of autism
>>51800060
ok...
>>51800067
I'm level 3
Just so long as we agree the arch Linux is best Linux
>>51800089
it's breddy gud
>>51800045
Why don't you just use ext3? It still has the same journaling feature.
>>51800113
ext3 is deprecated
>>51800087
perfect time for you to try out btrfs
>>51800089
Was that a question?
>>51800130
wahhhhh
Oh shit it's time for some vidya
>pingus
LMAO
Oh god the sound keeps stuttering and there's tearing everywhere
>>51800149
>using a software center
>>51800149
>>51800167
>people complain that Linux has no gaems when 10/10's like these exist
winfags btfo
What's the difference between install and graphical install?
>>51800205
1 of them is graphical. Guess which one.
>>51800132
I've actually been running it, but I'm not sure it's worth it on my dual-core celeron...
>>51800187
Kerbal Space Program does not run in 64 bit in windows because it's too unstable.
This leaves you with a mere 3.5Gb ram to use which is not enough if you add a few mods.
On linux it has 64 bit support and works better than windows.
>linux wins again
>>51800144
They literally removed the ext3 driver from the Kernel (but the ext4 can still handle it).
>>51800045
Btrfs if you want bleeding edge and might actually use some of the nice features (subvolumes, RAID, snapshots etc.)
Ext4 if you don't give a fuck.
>>51800045
ReiserFS
>>51799544
cant grow a girl in my house mate
Why is it such a pain in the ass to install Nvidia drivers on Fedora and have them work reliably after a reboot or a kernel upgrade?
Why is Debian full of fail? Epic flame wars on mailing lists, ancient installer from 2004, "not invented here" syndrome. They would rather bundle some fork called Iceweasel than ship with Firefox.
Why does Linux font rendering still suck 6 years after the patents expired?
Why do Linux desktop developers think my workstation is a tablet?
>>51800860
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration
>>51800149
>>51800167
>>51800860
>>51800873
I like your style, krishna, 5 rupees for you
>>51800825
>>51800860
>>51800873
why do you shitpost
>>51800614
snapshots are interesting. Can have two snapshots that work as alternate installs?
Like one is for day-to-day and the other is for testing stuff.
I seem to be getting some conflicting information.
What email clients for a ubunut-based OS support Exchange? I know Icedove with the ExQuilla plugin is there, but I've had a hit and miss experience with it.
I need Exchange for work and OWA sucks ass. The Exchange server is 2013 (Office 365) if that matters.
>>51800860
It's not.
Decided I should give Deb a shot. Fucking hated it.
>>51801009
You used an autistic wallpaper. Debian doesn't like it.
W-what?
>>51801035
I used a wallpaper that was already on the computer given to me.
>>51801090
You disappoint us anon
>>51801099
You're funny.
>>51801063
You messed up.
Im trying to dualboot GNU/Linux with Windows 10 64 bit. Manjaro and AntergOs gave me this screen after booting. Those were also 64 bit os's. Then i tried 32 bit fedora. It worked. Xubuntu 64 bit worked too. Wtf. Pic related. Why cant i boot those os's? Any input would be appreciated. Pic related
>>51801063
How the hell do I fix this? I didn't remove the partions, however, there were two that I saw, one was the one that I made which was around 30 gigs and the other was like 1 gig. I noticed that when I cleared them they like, merged together so to speak.
All I have is my debian .iso mounted on a usb stick, everything I'm reading is talking about fucking disks or a win7 .iso and other shit that I don't have.
>>51801299
This is all I get when I try to reinstall debian
>>51801323
Format /boot, reinstall?
Why can't fstab get its shit together for auto mounting in 2015. Still have to hand craft entries. Fuck you fstab.
>>51798932
what is the point of this comic like is it supposed to be funny?
I hate Internet comics from the 90s and early 2000s with a burning passion.
>>51801476
pmount works for me
If I wanna try out Wayland what DE or window manager can I just jump on to try out. Preferably with little dependencies to download; using openbox atm.
out of these which DE should I use?
Cinnamon
GNOME
KDE 4
MATE
Openbox
Xfce
RMS? More like PMS
LOL!
using linux full time for the last 3 months, tried several, and I'm cozy with manjaro the last month. Really happy with it and I'm glad I switched
>>51801561
KDE
>>51801561
xfce is really nice if you take the time to configure it correctly. see >>51801618
>>51798932
how do i play vn on linux
>>51801561
XFCE 4.12 if you want a full featured DE. Openbox+Compton if you don't, or just Openbox if you're on an rPi or an old netbook or something low-power. KDE, GNOME, and Cinnamon suck balls. Dunno about MATE.
>>51801698
mate sucks too, just use i3
>>51801693
If by vn you mean Visual Novel, wine allows you to run windows binaries, and I have never had much issue playing them.
>>51801542
You can use Weston, the reference compositor. As far as I know it's the only compositor that works as a standalone program. I've been out of the loop for a while, though, where Wayland is concerned. Weston is missing way too many features to ever be useful for anything but experimentation, but for experimentation it might be good enough.
>>51801693
grow the fuck up, you loser faggot manchild. Fuck you and fuck your waifus. Get the fuck off my board
>>51801299
You probably merged /boot into /home.
why the fuck are you merging partitions if you don't know what they are?
Anyway, either make a new /boot or tell grub to boot from the /home partition.
Actually its probably just / not /home, but either way..
I am bored, who needs help?
>>51800860
oh, and ride me, linux font rendering doesn't suck, you suck at linux font rendering.
I bet you're the kind of person who yells at a hammer when you hit your thumb.
>>51801855
>>51801816
>why the fuck are you merging partitions if you don't know what they are?
I just actually learned about what partitions are.
T-this is a learning experience.
Fortunatley I managed to get the issue fixed and was able to reinstall Debian. Just gotta fix the issue where Win7 isn't showing up in GRUB anymore.
>>51801921
check the arch wiki for grub, there is a command liiike... check os or detect os.. run that after installing debian and it will automatically detect both and put them in grub
>>51801855
wow how do you get your firefox to look so nice, I want to rice mine.
>>51801974
half wm/half rice, the top bar is because of the wm, openbox, the rest is done with CSS using stylish.
my tab bar is hidden with 1 tab and i can hide and unhide it with a hotkey
if i wanted to make a key such as F1 - F12 do something else than what they do on the default distro
such as; write a specific letter like H or any other, how would i go about this
>>51801855
I have a question.
Did you seriously think that posting that picture would encourage someone to ask you for help?
Go back to the desktop thread, tard.
>>51801707
>i3
is there a way to not having to spend hours configuring it so it doesnt look shit
>>51799106
>>51800205
>>51801063
>>51801323
>>51801299
>>51801921
This is me.
After getting it installed, I forgot the fucking user name, then fucked up partitions, then had to reinstall Debian after wondering what the fuck GRUB was and why it was broken. Then I had to look around for a hour and get frustrated because whenever I tried to use sudo or something it told me I was getting reported or recorded or some shit. Then I learned all I have to do is type in su then the root password in the terminal.
At least I got my issue fixed.
It took almost 6 hours of me being mentally retarded to do it though. This seems daunting.
Be glad you're not as retarded as I am /g/.
>>51801698
>KDE, GNOME, and Cinnamon suck balls
Consider suicide, NEET faggot
>>51802121
I don't post in the desktop thread, also someone did ask me a question. get rekt kiddo nerd.
>>51802321
it takes like 5 minutes to configure mate.
>>51802422
i wouldnt have asked if i didnt try m8
even after an hour of configuring my fonts still looked shit, my colors too, and tray icons (nm-applet, volumeicon, clipit) didnt show up in the bar
im gonna be happy for any help at this point
>>51802446
I thought you were just someone dumpstering it, not someone who actually tried to use it.
Colors looking like shit is just you picking shit colors, thats not a fault of the wm, same with fonts, just choose nicer fonts, if you want aliased try liberation mono, dina is my favourite bitmap font, but you'll have to install that from somewhere.
Applets should be showing up, it just werks for me, but I'll do some quick googlan.. Anything specifically you need help with other than the applets?
>>51802446
i3 has nothing to do with your fonts.
>>51802446
>>51802476
https://i3wm.org/docs/userguide.html#_tray_output
May be helpful
>>51802492
thanks i found out i should set the fonts in something like lxappearance and that the i3-sensible-terminal font isnt connected to i3config
correct?
>>51802476
>>51802495
i have tray output set to primary
should i maybe try setting the primary output through xrandr? how do i find out what my <output> name is?
>>51802533
>thanks i found out i should set the fonts in something like lxappearance and that the i3-sensible-terminal font isnt connected to i3config
>correct?
Yeah more or less correct. There's only so much you can do with lxappearance but you can set the very basics with it.
>>51802533
can't hurt to try, just type xrandr into the terminal.
I suggest urxvt for terminal, but that's mostly rice related..
>>51802545
is correct, to be specific though, lxappearance controls what is controlled by gtk (afaik, it may control other systems, but i only ever use gtk)
so stuff like thunar, gui applications that are gtk, most graphical environment stuff.
>>51802545
>>51802573
thanks, will try it when i get to my notebook
on arch: I had a big list of fonts to choose from in the terminal but now they're mostly all gone. What went wrong? I checked the fonts dir and they're all there.
Instead of "cp -R * ../BACKUP"
I just typed "rm -R * ../BACKUP".
How fucked am I?
>Need help for absolute beginner
I have lubuntu 14.04 on a old ass pc so i went for it.
My issue is that when I turn it on it goes to the lubuntu loading screen and then goes black.
I think it happened because I tried installing f. lux via sudo and I probably fucked up somewhere
Any suggestions?
>tl;dr black screen after probably a fuck up on my part in installing
>>51801144
if that is openbox, i know what's your problem
I really like GNU stuff generally but I've actually not spent much time in emacs and I've fallen in love with vim and its bindings..
I think the only time I used emacs was on a macbook at school when I realized it was installed on all mac os computers. All I did was read a built-in story that Stallman wrote about something free software-related. I don't even remember if it was related to emacs.
Is emacs any good? Can you give it vim bindings?
>>51802650
bye, my friend
also, why do you use uppercase arguments?
-r looks much better than -R
>>51802693
reinstall it. it's the easiest solution.
if you have /home on another partition it won't be problem.
just make a list of programs you have installed so you can install them as soon as your system is ready.
i got used to this. i've killed ubuntu (yeah, started with it) about three times before i switched to debian. now i'm running manjaro + openbox and i'm ok with it
>>51801921update-grub
>>51801561
openbox, but it's not a DE
by the way, if openbox wasn't on your list I was going to suggest it anyway
>>51802650
you can probably recover your shit
does capital R for rm even do the same thing? I know a lot of commands treat r and R differently
>>51802897
no,rm --help
...
-r, -R, --recursive remove directories and their contents recursively
>>51802693
reinstalling to fix something is pretty dumb but using lubuntu is also pretty dumb
if you don't mind blowing that shit away you should switch to arch while you're at it
"lubuntu loading screen" doesn't really mean anything, can you provide a picture? what you're referring to is probably referring to something specific to a desktop environment
can you get into a TTY? (ctrl-alt-f1, ctrl-alt-f2, etc.)
if yes then you can troubleshoot from there. uninstall whatever you think fucked it up, maybe try a different DE or something
getting rid of your display manager and setting up xinitrc might be a good option
>>51802909
you say no but according to what you put in the codebox you should've said yes
you should be able to get your shit back with either testdisk or ddrescue if you're the anon who deleted everything btw
>>51802924
wtf, i'm prob too sleepy
plus i'm not that anon
>>51802924
thanks, I'll give it a try.
>>51803032
no problem, dude
there's a decent chance you can get everything back no problem, but whether or not it will all be in one piece is another story
I've personally had 100% success with the programs I mentioned, but I've never rm -r'd a bunch of shit on accident before
>>51802865
I have some minor but still stuff i want
>>51802915
I can't get into the pc right now because of work but pic relates is what im talking about
Had to take a screenshot of a video I sent to a friend but still hasn't responded
>>51799300
Arch > Fedora
>>51800873
>Gnome
Found your problem
When can I get some guidance on plugins for Emacs? I need a few . Also is there a plugin for us pathetic web devs in a sense to open html in a browser from inside of editor? Just like you have in sublime?
>>51800725
Installed reiserfs, got wife killed
wat do
>>51798932
I want to use linux but I want to play games as well. Wat do?
>>51799821
>>51799811
>>51799783
>>51799768
didn't find it anywhere so i just zipped them up.
is megaupload really dead? where do i upload shit nowadays?
http://en.file-upload.net/download-11114674/qtgrillsholdingGNULinuxsigns.7z.html
>>51803411
stick a cucumber up your anus
>>51803444
R u d e
U
D
E
>>51803426
mega dot nz works well
>>51803484
thanks
>>51803115
debian > arch
>>51802339
everybody starts somewhere.
>>51800801
non-free software
>tfw guided partition stalled for me on latest debian and ubuntu server net install images
Had to dig out a wheezy CD I kept, spent all day with the same damn problem. Should have given up trying to make it work sooner.
>>51800928
I pose serious questions as a veteran GNU/Linux user for 23 years, and you respond with that drivel?
Ok so let's talk about Linux Mint for a second. Anyone here using LMDE? It seems like the perfect jumping-in point for someone who wants to go into Debian over Ubuntu. I assume it uses the same repos as Testing.
Can anyone tell me about their experience with it?
>>51804258
used it as my first distro after trying out all common choices, it's great to start with.
Can anyone tell me about MATE? Is it just a lookalike to Xfce, perhaps more reliant on GNOME?
I notice that Mint relies on cinnamon/mate for every desktop release as priority, and I do wonder why over perhaps Xfce.
>>51804258
>It seems like the perfect jumping-in point for someone who wants to go into Debian over Ubuntu.
Not really. If you want to go into Debian, why not just install Debian? It's not that much harder than setting up an Ubuntu install.
>>51804280
MATE is GNOME 2.
im making a live usb to try a distro
should i just try a version of arch, i dont mind having to look up shit to get it to work
>tfw still lost on how to configure vim and shit so I can start programming
>tfw only used IDEs before
Being a pleb is suffering
>>51804536
Don't be a pussy.
>>51804559
Trying too anon-kun~
>>51804559
this is /flt/
>>51804739
Get the fuck out, ushifag.
but i want to play games
Does crunchbang++ release updates slowly and use old software like Debian or is there a difference?
>>51805062
then play games. nobody is holding you back.
>>51805084
linux doesn't have my games
>>51805077
>software like Debian
please let this meme die. debian has 3 releases: unstable, testing and stable. stable is for servers, testing for normal users and unstable for people who like bleeding edge. that said bunsenlabs/crunchbang++ is just debian with riced out openbox.
>>51805087
then play other games. you don't expect your xbox to play NDS games either.
>>51805138
well my RGH can run emulators for NDS
How the fuck do I install CDE
>>51805087
then don't play LOL like a pussy.. real men play DOTA
>>51805162
emulators exist for almost everything.
>>51805249
i don't play either
i play battlefield, dark souls, bo3, fallout, and the likes.
It's not Linux but I'm having trouble deciding between FreeBSD and OpenBSD for a server.
What to do /g/?
>>51805322
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Gentoo_FreeBSD
Install Gentoo
>>51800045
btrfs
>>51800932
you could, but that's what subvolumes are for
>>51805249
>playing any type of dota-clone
Come on son.
I'm using Debian Sid XFCE on my laptop. When i try to shutdown, the screen always stays on. It says "reached target shutdown" and then pic related. (I have the same problem with restart). I tried various commands (shutdown -h, shutdown -P, systemctl poweroff etc) but all of them failed. I also tried to add acpi=force, acpi=off to /etc/default/grub but the problem persists. I had the same issues with Jessie but other distros like Mint or Bunsenlabs work fine. Please help, this shit is driving me crazy..
>>51805534
Just install Ubuntu
>>51802650
just do the cp command as you intended
unless you're saying that was the only copy of the data, in which case your folder was mislabelled
it's not a backup if it's the only copy
>>51805577
Ubuntu is shit
running ubuntu14, raid controller in AHCI mode, mdadm for raid
do i need to adjust values for if/when drives should sleep/wake and if so, where do i adjust them?
please and thank you
>>51805604
If you can't handle Debian, then Ubunt is for you, silly.
>>51805626
I'm not him I was just letting you know that Ubuntu is shit
>>51805626
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ubuntu
:^)
>>51805633
So is Mint.
>>51805648
I know that
>>51805577
How am i supposed to learn linux if i return to ubuntu every time i have a problem?
>>51805534
That looks pretty serious. You might want to show that to the folks on #debian.
>>51805768
There's no #debian in rizon, though.
>>51805851
irc.freenode.net#debian
Basically all of the IRC channels for open-source stuff are on freenode.
>>51805884
rizon is better :^)
>>51804536
Use an IDE if you want. There's no need to use vim or emacs just so you can show off your neckbeard. I use Arom myself. Whatever works for you, works.
>>51805909
Rizon is a piece of shit, though.
best linux to put on a 2gb flashcard? dont ask why.
>>51805973
Tinycore?
>>51805988
I dont need lots of space, just enough to download a chinese cartoon or two and browse the internet. would be cool if I could rice a little bit too.
>>51803517
gentoo > any linux distro
>>51806016
knoppix?
>>51806030
can I make it look good (read: like the weebs in the desktop threads)? keep in mind its running off of a 2gb flashcard.
>>51806066
Arch is your best bet then.
>>51806018
LFS > gentoo
>>51806088
why would arch be better for ricing than gentoo or debian?
>>51806103
not >>51806088 but arch is good for very small installations in general
>>51806103
>gentoo
If you don't mind building from source, then Gentoo it is.
If you're not going to use your UFD for a long time, Debian-stable would be better.
I once saw a cheat sheet for install arch in these threads, if anyone has it can you please post it?
>>51806173
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_guide
>>51806173
Just use Architect installer. The only thing you need to know beforehand is how to make partitions if you're setting it up for dual-boot or something
>>51806206
I know, but I liked the cheat sheet, it's portable.
>>51798932
My favourite distro is fedora but I have an amdgpu card (r9 285) and xf86-video-amdgpu isn't on fedora yet and I can't find out how to install it for the life of me.
What should I use instead? Or does anyone here know how to install the amdgpu driver on fedora? It looks like I'll have to wait for fedora 24 right now.
So I'm thinking of either installing funtoo (I installed it before, don't worry) or arch. Which should I choose and why?
I've had bad experiences with arch so I'm inclined to go towards funtoo, but the lack of binary repos and the fact that I'll have to compile everything drives me away from it.
>>51805116
Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't know there were 3 different releases.
>>51806266
Just give Arch another try first since it will take much less time to set up. Or even just Antergos to confirm if it's working or not.
>>51802112
xmonad
I'm planning on getting an nVidia GTX970 to replace my AMD R9 270. I've heard nVidia's proprietary drivers perform great under Linux. Can anyone with experience confirm this?
>>51801508
Are you too autistic to get a joke?
the other day someone said they could not compile chromium (was it) because something
to do with the motherboard, what could this be?
>>51806467
Confirmed, am nvidia user.
>>51806467
Are you kidding?
>>51806467
not great but they're your only option if you want serious gaming on linux
>>51806532
>>51806618
Alright, cheers
>>51806247
>>51806654
Print the results ofcat /etc/fonts/local.conf
>>51806686
didn't bother setting it up yet. i'm lazy.
>>51806710
Still, that looks pretty good, what font is it?
>>51806751
i got dejavu sans book for system and noto serif and noto sans for firefox i think. hinting set to full.
>>51798932
how can i get steam to close to tray on debian/xfce ?
>>51806825
it does this automatically. trying to get rid of the setting so if you find it, tell me.
>>51806846
this worked for me:
echo 'STEAM_FRAME_FORCE_CLOSE=1' | sudo tee -a /etc/environment
>>51806090
LFS is not a distribution.
>>51807206
that's why it's the best.
friendly reminder
>>51807227
The best what? The best book?
>>51807278
it's just da bes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVUyyHYkBHk
Want to install Linux on a 128gb USB drive. Looking at a few, use to use Linux Mint, it was okay. Not ready to go full Arch yet, but I chose Netrunner HorIzon for the time being, Windows-like DE, and Wine already installed. Did I do good /flt/, or any other good Starter distros, but a step up from Ubuntu?
>>51807246
>There is no quality control
Dropped. He never saw the LKML.
what OS are you lads running on a raspberry pi?
>>51807490
debian
>>51807490
memebian, since it's has largest arm repos
>>51798964
All of those things are done by macfags.
Windows is only good for muh gayems.
>>51801323
Just remove SecureBoot winfag
>>51807246
Posting it over and over doesn't make it less false.
Did an update just wreck my bootloader?
I'm using Linux Mint and installed some updates via the tool in the tray as I'd usually do.
I didn't reboot the computer until right now and I can't boot into Linux anymore.
I do have a Windows installation on dual boot and when I start he auto boots into that although I did the settings in bios that he would alwas boot the linux partition. Thing is - that just isn't there anymore. Only bootable partition I can choose from is the UEFI Hard DIsk: Windows Boot Manager.
halp
>install mint
>notice my wifi is a teeny bit slower
>break mint, install lubuntu because it's the distro I always come back to when I break one of the others
>notice my wifi is still a teeny bit slower
>actually check how much slower it is, if it is
>it's actually ~80KB/S slower on lubuntu than is is over on my windows 7 hdd
anybody experience this kind of thing before? I don't really notice it unless I load up a 1080p youtube vid or browse a booru but when I do either of those things it does get a bit annoying when a video stops to buffer once or twice or the next page feels like using dialup for a second or two.
>>51808042
false alert. I just have the dumb. That's why mint is perfect for me.
>>51808042
download boot-repair-disk from sourceforge, burn it to an usb/cd, boot it and it should fix the bootloader
>mfw find out about pgrep after usingps aux | grep applicationforever.
>>51798932
What is the point of using Linux for privacy, when you guys are making all of your posts on 4chan which logs everything you do and saves on the NSA database, along with hottolink's japan database to sell your social data?
/g/, you people should be more friendly to mchan. It has systems designed to let you post through TOR, with cookies disabled, no captcha, and no javascript required.
I understand if you don't want to post there for whatever reasons (maybe you hate they allow legal naked loli in there), but as far as making a Stallman approved website on the clearnet, mchan is doing it right.
Don't be so mean to us /g/
>>51808161
don't worry anon, we all used to do dumb shit when we were new.
I for example for like a month had no idea about the existence of TAB autocomplete in bash.
So i used wildcards for fucking everything
>>51808219
have a mchan infographic to help people set up virtual machines
>>51808219
>literally no mods
How is it a good thing again?
>>51808244
>>51808219
And have an image that sets the example of how 4chan should actually be about
Linux, amongst some key aspects, is there to prevent us being spied over the internet. But when you are using Linux and doing most of your browsing and opinion-saying on 4chan, what is the point? You are being logged all the same.
We need to break free from 4chan/reddit and other sites that are not designed like mchan, with privacy first
>>51808219
>14yo girls posting nudes
I hope this picture isn't insinuating that's a good thing
>>51808276
no censorship
Look at what mods did to 4chan
Look how fun 4chan was before it had tons of mods
4chan bans everythign controversial now. This is no longer a real online community, this is a mod curated blog
>>51808298
https://youtu.be/d-1ef1gwsmY
you be the judge
>>51808298
>SJW safe-space
Wow the picture is correct
Can any of you handsome studs explain this part of a bash script to me? Basically an anon wrote it for me as I asked about how I could make a script sleep until a specific application is open, rather than me sleeping for X arbitrary seconds.while true; do
(pgrep 'application' > /dev/null && sleep 0.1) || break
done
As far as I can tell it will just redirect the output of pgrep into /dev/null and then sleep for 0.1. I don't get why there is the OR break either. How does this sleep until the program is open exactly? What if pgrep fails because the application is not open yet?
>>51808219
>stuff mchan up your pedo arsehole
>>51808219
lain>master
>>51808399
pgreps exit status is 0 as long as the application is running, so the break will never be evaluated until pgrep fails to find the application. If you start the script before the application is running it will stop directly.
Though I don't know if you really need to poll 10 times per second, seems excessive.
>>51808399&&: Run command on the right side only if left side returns non-zero
||: Run command on the right side only if left side returns 0
Programs with linux return an exit code when they terminate. In this case, if pgrep finds the application running, it returns 0, and sleep is executed. Sleep should always return 0 with that command, so the break is not executed. Then the loop restarts from beginning. If pgrep does not find the application, it returns non-zero, and the sleep is not executed. However, now the break executes, and the loop is terminated.
>>51808399
Im not an expert.
If I am wrong please correct me
The key to this script is the "true" word.
If you do "man true" you'll see that true does absolutely nothing, it's purpose is to always return zero.
bash's while loop goes likewhile [ condition ]
do
command1
command2
command3
done
And since in your loop the condition is always true then it will always run the command.
Now the command(pgrep 'application' > /dev/null && sleep 0.1) || break
The double pipe || means that "if the first command returns 0 (succeeds), the second one will never be executed"
So the first part checks if "application" runs (and returned by pgrep) and then waits for 0.1 second.
If the first command fails (ie pgrep doesn't return application) the "break" is executed and the loop ends.
>>51808399
>>51808853
Also this script can be shortened towhile [ $(pgrep application) ]; do sleep 1; done
>>51808756
>>51808813
>>51808853
I think I'm wrong on this, but it sounds like what you're saying is that the script will sleep as long as the application is open? That is not what I wanted, what I wanted was the script to sleep UNTIL the application IS open.
From what I'm understanding here, sleep will execute if pgrep succeeds (ie the application is running) and the loop will break once pgrep fails the loop will break.
then would it not be instead:(pgrep 'application' > /dev/null || sleep 0.1) && break
?
Is Netrunner 17 (Horizon) a good distro? For a semi-beginner (Linux Mint and Ubuntu experience) coming from Windows.
>>51809234
Stick with the mainstream ones.
Thats my advice for beginners, semi beginners, semi advanced and advanced users.
Netrunner must suck dick because I've never heard of it.
Hey linux pros.
I've been doing bash scripts for automating stuff like resetting test databases and getting dependencies or running programs for me with long command lists. etc.
I took a class on perl but have forgotten most of it. How many of you know perl and use that rather than bash scripts?
And can't perl replace the functionality of bash + sed + awk?
Because currently, that's what I use. Bash and sed and awk, plus other CL utilities
>>51809116
>what I wanted was the script to sleep UNTIL the application IS open.
You want the loop to break when the application is run?
As ridiculous as it may sound what you want to do is replace WHILE in your loop with UNTIL.
sountil [ $(pgrep application) ]; do sleep 1; done
>>51802823
Emacs is hard to get into. You kinda need to force yourself into it until you get used to it. If you're familiar with vim already, I don't think it's worth it.
I installed archbang cause I need teamviewer and dont want to fuck up my 2 other regular arch. but I usually copy paste the grub.conf so the last installed arch goes first in the boot menu.
-sda1 is /boot
-2 arch are in luks on lvm
this worked so fine
before archbang I #dd /sda1 into a .img, then restored but when paste the archbang boot secction from grub.conf it gives me "magical number" error.
I really can't get os-prober to read /dev/mapper, and yes even when mapped with luksOpen
also, any containers for really dump people tutorial?
>>51805603
If the primary fails, the backup may become the only copy.
>>51809459
brilliant, thank you.
>>51809495
*- archbang is without /boot partition but I guess it uses mbr from sda
>>51809495
>I installed archbang cause I need teamviewer and dont want to fuck up my 2 other regular arch.
u wot
Going to do a LFS install, should I use Debian or Trsiquel as the base?
>>51809234
According to distrowacth.com, Netrunner is basically Kubuntu + some media packages like Flash that (apparently) don't come pre-installed in Kubuntu. If you're determined to switch to Linux, then just install Kubuntu and figure out how to install and configure those packages yourself, because that's a vital skill for any Linux user. In general, the core of another distro plus a particular desktop environment is pretty much the maximum level of specificity that it's reasonable for a distro to have. Beyond that, a beginner generally can and should do it themselves. Using high-level distros (a distro based on a distro based on a distro based on a distro, etc) comes with certain disadvantages (smaller distros with fewer users and fewer devs might be slow to get updates, might introduce bugs, etc)
To put it another way, let the distro select and configure operating components, and select and configure applications yourself. Where you draw the line between an operating system component and an application depends on how advanced a user you are (e.g. a file browser might be either one, or even a window manager). As you get more advanced your personal preferences will start to push deeper into the operating system (caring about what package manager you use, rather than just what your desktop looks like, for example), so your first distro shouldn't be your last and therefore isn't exactly a life decision. Just pick one that you like and understand that you'll be changing it later as you learn more about Linux.
if Netrunner looks good to you, I suggest that you try Kubuntu. Personally I think KDE is many times more complicated and resource hungry than alternatives that do all the same shit, like XFCE. Maybe it's better to choose a DE based on how you like its default configuration until you're more advanced, but on the other hand maybe adapting a technically superior DE to your preferences is a good place for a beginner to start learning.
>>51809294
I really don't get what you are asking, perl is really flexible with your kind of scripts. Regex is almost the same.
Protip: just use what suits better the task you are trying to achieve.
I want to backup some important files in case my HDD fails. What should I backup? Any important config files?
>>51809581
If you don't understand the pros and cons, why are you doing a LFS install?
>>51809680
For learning experience, I can't decide what to use for the base.
>>51809537
lol, sorry english is not my 1st language, I've 3 arch on the same hdd, 1 of them is archbang.
I don't like to install dependencies for 1 day a week job with teamviewer. I rater use other arch for some tasks
>>51809673
>Any important config files?
That depends. Have you spend time and effort altering any?
If all of your configuration files are generated by GUI front ends and you can just click through a few menus to get things back the way they were, then it's probably nearly as easy to do that as it would be to restore them from a backup.
If you've spent time reading manuals and experimenting and tweaking and and have a system full of complicated configuration files that all depend on each other for their overall effect, then you probably know which files are important.
Global configuration files are kept in /etc. Some applications keep important data in /var. Per-user configurations are kept in hidden files and folders within each user's home directory. If you're already backing up your home directory, just include hidden stuff in the backups and your user-specific settings and application data will be preserved.
>>51809726
How much experience do you have with Linux?
>>51809673
arch wiki, look for full system backup with rsync, just check the folders your distro creates every boot, like /proc IIRC
>>51809780
I've been using it for a few years and even this year installed gentoo successfully.
>>51809762
>If all of your configuration files are generated by GUI front ends
That's the issue I think, I'd say half is done via the DE's GUI settings, the other was done thanks to wiki help pages. That's why it confuses me as to what I should backup.
I'll just backup my whole home folder for starters, it should be fine.
What about programs? Can I somehow export a whole list of package names to re-install quickly?
>>51809790
o-ok I'll look into that, thanks.
Which Linux should I download if I support Israel? I remember the creator of mint said he don't want Israel supporters to use it, and I think Gentoo said it too.
>>51809860
Just buy a Pixel C then, anon.
>>51809834
>Can I somehow export a whole list of package names to re-install quickly?
How you would do this depends on what package manager you use, but I would think that it would be possible with all of them. In portage, a list of explicitly installed packages is kept at /var/lib/portage/world. The packages on the system are these packages plus their dependencies, so if you have this list and you have all of your configuration files you can get a similar system going pretty quickly.
>>51803902
>veteran GNU/Linux user for 23 years
>Can't fix font rendering
>Uses GNOME 3
>>51809860
>Gentoo said it
Gentoo isn't a person and its creator is no longer involved. He maintains Funtoo instead. Gentoo is maintained by some kind of council, and I doubt the whole community agrees on a thing like that.
>>51809979
Thanks, I actually googled that question after typing it and found my answer.# put all explicitly installed packages (minus AUR) into a file
# can be run as user
pacman -Qqe | grep -Fvx "$(pacman -Qqm)" > ./file
# reinstall from said file (deps will be pulled in automatically)
# must run as root
xargs pacman -S --needed --noconfirm < ./file
I should be fine now.
>>51809860
Kali Linux, for maximum espionage. the greatest ally should have all of the US's secrets, it's only right and proper. you'd only disagree if you were an antisemite
>>51806654
how you took that ?
>maim/scrot sucks
>>51810097
Browser extension
How stable and secure is Debian?
>>51810130
very
Having trouble installing Nvidia drivers. See the small half X on my second monitor? That's the limit that Nvidia drivers keep imposing on me.
Left monitor is set up as 1920x1080 and right is 1440x900. Set up using Nvidia settings. Screen0 and screen1 respectively. Why can I put my mouse over there but no programs? At least before I set up a second screen I could move programs over there. The orientation was wrong and the programs clipped. But now I can't do anything and it's still not occupying the full positions please help. I just wanted to monitor my gpu Temps for fuck sake.
is ther any verson of linux that is so what gui like windows server?
right now my server is running 2k3 becuase its a pentium 3
it hosts ftp with filezilla server
it hosts http pages with micrososft iis
it hosts http downloads with an application called hfs on another port
it also runs vpn
I like haveing an easy gui to do things. I have also used linux before but i gave up because i could not get the vpn to run at all and i was very confused and annoyed. It was like way to much to get to understand at once. I just want a vpn for my self so when i use public wifis my conection is encriptied and no one gets to see my passwords. oh and so i can get past them stupid fucking blocks
but i had my website and my file downloads working much easer with linux at .htacess files I actualy enjoy the fuck out of web 1.0. I did the whole linux configuration for apache and mysql
I hve tryed setting up ftp on my server but what happens is i get the whole root of my drive with any user i make and i do not want that at all.
i want an ftp for just my www root and then an ftp acounts for junk me and my frends wanna share
/g/ I've atleast enjoyed linux for its sablity and being able to easely make a web 1.0 website up super quick, hell out of the box even. I havent enjoyed a nice easy to use server gui. im disappointed at that to be honest.
If i had the power I would make a easy to use application or script that would alow any user to quickely set up all kinds of services that are typical for servers. well mainly just ftp,web,mail,timeserver,vpn,
I honestly use ftp and web more then any other server service.
>>51810154
Would it be a better choice over Ubuntu/Trisquel?
>>51810130
So stable it's enrooted deep into the ground and stopped walking a long time ago. No seriously, good luck making any new, hip software work out of the box on debian. Half the stuff I use everyday comes from AUR and debian can't provide that. Also fuck apt
>>51809860
Holocalinux.
Distribution for the 6 Gorillion.
>>51810171
Learn english and ask agian
>>51810172
Do you even fucking now if linux-libre even works properly on your fucking computer you dumbass?
>>51810172
Oh. I forgot that I hadn't responded to you yet. Personally I'd go with Trisquel because I am a massive freetard. Trisquel is supposed to be a pretty good distro with merits other than its commitment to FOSS, but I've never used it. The advantage of Debian, as I see it, is that any knowledge and experience gained will be more widely applicable, since Debian is a very common distro and lots of things are based on it. On the other hand, maybe you'd rather have diverse experience than widely applicable experience.
It doesn't sound like you could have mastered Gentoo, otherwise I'd tell you to install them both in a VM and explore a little to get a feel for the differences.
It probably doesn't matter much, ultimately. As the other anon somewhat rudely pointed out, linux-libre may not support some graphics and Wi-Fi hardware that depends on proprietary blobs. I've never had trouble with it, but I carefully pick hardware for Linux compatibility.
>>51810240
I already know what computer I'm going to install it on you fucking prick and I know it works with trisquel.
>>51810171
ftp is horrible, outdated, and did I mention already that it's horrible?
>>51810220
don't be a fucking prick not evenone fucking lives in a fucking english speaking country so fuck off asswipe
>>51810172
literally a matter of personal preference.
You'd know that if you googled.
But noo, better ask stupid fucking questions that has been answered 6 gorillion times just to make it's actually personal preference and not anything else by accident.
>>51810317
okay then how would i be able to share files with my frends with it being not on some stupid ass cloud site? FTP may seem weak but all we are tradeing is porn music and video games.there is no real need for security is there?
>>51810097
shift+f2 in firefox and then type "screenshot --fullpage"
Does using a terminal multiplexer use less resources than using n number of terminals ?
>>51810352
FTP is totally fine for that, although I would at least try to us TLS, i.e. FTPS. You could also host your own cloud site with owncloud, but that is almost always overkill IMO
>>51810385
if you're concerned with the amount of resourced used by multiple terminals use rxvt, it has a daemon/client functionality.
>>51810399
owncloud is still useing another service. but my thing is i want a nice easy gui server like i have with windows filezilla server
is there no linux distros with simple server guis?
>>51810352
You have a server, you can do whatever you want with it.
>>51810361
Are you a wizard?
>even on palememe
>>51810464
Owncloud is an open source web application. You can run it on your own web server if you want to.
I've never heard of a GUI for configuring web servers. It sounds stupid. plain text configuration files are easy to use. If you don't think so, then you are probably not advanced enough to deal with the security implications of Internet-facing network services.
>>51810493
http://www.logicalincrements.com/firefox/
>>51810492
I know i have a server ,but how the fuck is there no gui to configure things,
I want a gui to be able to edit things such as my ftp and everything i have that relates to my server needs
>>51810519
I honestly do not care about the security risks of a server holding pirate materal. if it gets hacked or some shit, just format the bitch nothing of real importance is on it. you know.
Im not running some corpreate server and the company is planing world domination
I just would like a simple to use interface, or a simple fucking guide on how to do all this comand line shit, theres nothing simple out there for dumb shits like me
>>51810519
I can't understand how you cant understand how its stupid to have a simple gui beable to make modifcations to a few text files.
its for the ones who do not understand what the fuck they are doing and so they can do it in a safe way
>>51810686
why would you need a gui for editing text files?
>>51810561
Editing plain text configuration files doesn't necessarily require use of the command line. You can edit them in a graphical editor if you want to, all though the editor will probably have to be running with root privileges, and will therefore probably have to be launched from the command line. You should be able to manage "sudo gedit httpd.conf" or whatever.
Every mature program comes with documentation on how to use its configuration files. Just read it.
For someone with your level of technical sophistication, if any computer on your local network can be compromised, then so can your router, and from there any of your other computers. You are begging to get yourself set up as an email spam bot or worse.
>>51810686
>do not understand what the fuck they are doing
>so they can do it in a safe way
The only safe way for them is to hire someone they can trust who actually does know what the fuck he is doing.
>>51810165
Update. I got to here. Base mosaic didn't do anything and neither did xinerama. Wallpaper goes on and a separate container is available for use but it's still giving me this unaccessible black bar even though everything is set up properly. The Dell is hooked up via vga to dvi-i adapter on the gpu end. Could this be a dsub resolution limit? Xrandr tells me only a single monitor is connected, my hdmi acer.
>>51810165
>>51810784
What distro?
>At least before I set up a second screen I could move programs over there.
What do you mean by this?
What are you trying to accomplish, and how are you trying to accomplish it?
>>51810165
>>51810784
>>51810842
>Second x screen in the settings
My bad on not specifying x screen.
But I got it. I had the layout set up properly but I didn't realize that my monitor was the issue. I use the auto center calibration on my monitor to move the display into the correct position. Never thought that would be an issue since it was positioned properly prior.
>>51810718
typic fags don't understand me,
like fuck how the fuck can i get some as easy as this for linux?
Use Windows on Laptop:
>Wi-Fi works fine
Use Linux (Ubuntu, Debian, Elementary, Kali):
>Wi-Fi disconnects every 30 seconds making it unusable
How do I fix this?
I've read online but found no solutions, it's driving me crazy.
>>51811015
you will have to know what kind of wifi chip you have it sounds like a broadcom chip, you will have to find the file needed and place it in the right folder then restart your system
>>51811050
Indeed it is a Broadcom 43142.
I did the whole wl thing when on Debian and Kali with not success.
>>51811008
use spacefm: right click, permissions.
>>51810686
>simple gui beable to make modifcations to a few text files.
nano <textFileOfYourFuckingDesire.txt>
There ya go m80.
I might have just saved you from a shitty habit of running xorg on a server
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>>51811095
fuck off cunt
>>51811084
you are out of context dick hole
>>51811135
And you're out of your mind.
Get your shit together you dumbass spic.
>>51805534
did you even init 0?
>>51811106
this is /flt/
>>51803047
did the hard drive layout change at all? not being able to finish booting is often because fstab has drives listed to automount that can't be mounted anymore
