What's your toughts about a poorfag buying an AMD A processor for he doesn't has the money to buy a video card?
dumb, save your money, get a proper setup
That's exactly what they're for. Nothing wrong with that at all.
>>51770516
Why? Couldn't I buy a video card later?
>>51770508
Do you play games?
No?
You're fine.
>>51770527
Barely.
But I want to play Fallout 4.
>>51770508
Yo op , it depends what model, don't expect crazy performance low graphics in some cases might be needed. Games like lol and dota will run fine. And valve games will run well too. Something like a a10 7870k will work well for about £100.
If you're on a budget AMD is good, I personally would rather get like an 8350 with a super cheap graphics card to upgrade though.
I think the A10's abilities are split between the CPU and video processing capabilties and if you upgrade to a better video card you'd be stuck with a weaker CPU than you would if went straight for an FX CPU now.
Don't get an APU if you're poor. Seriously, big waste of money.
You'd do better dipping into used parts.
What about Intel's Apus with HD 5000 or above?
>>51770508
Don't, if you're really poor and don't want to waste a lot of money. Just buy a athlon x4 860k and a decent amd or nvidia gpu, say 750ti or r7 265.
>>51770508
I run an A10 6700k along with 1600Mhz RAM.
I can run fallout 4 somewhat decently, 30fps outside, but get some serious stutter indoors when on medium settings.
7850k should have absolutely no problems when paired with some 1866 or even 2400Mhz RAM.
Honestly, I would recommend an APU if you're on a budget, as later on you can easily add a dedicated GPU and run it in Dual Graphics with the iGPU for a slight performance jump again.
Just be smart with your budgeting and it will work out well.
>>51770508
This APU is awesome in my HTPC, desu
>>51770508
What is better, an APU or an intel with it's iGPU?
>>51770606
it's fine if you never play games or only play old shit like l4d2. The performance is like a laptop CPU with integrated graphics
>>51770680
The only Intel iGPU that can beat out an APU is their Iris Pro Graphics, which is only featured on processors that cost multiples more than the APUs they beat out, and even then, they don't win by much.
Intel cannot into GPU, it's never even worth mentioning them on this front.
If I buy a AMD card later can I crossfire it with the APU? Is it worth doing it?
>>51770508
Grab an a8 7600 and overclock the cpu and gpu as far as you can.
Great value for the money and later on when you add a gpu, the igpu won't be wasted because of directx12 multiadapter.
>>51770699
The most high end iris pro can only come close to a mid tier apu like the 5800k and still gets beat
>>51770730
On the box of the APU will be a list of GPUs with which you can enter Dual Graphics mode, but yes, you can cross fire with almost all AMD GPUs.
>>51770756
Their latest iteration (Iris Pro 7200?) can beat out an A10 6800k by around 10% on average, but that specific model of iGPU is only featured on higher end i7's, which I believe aren't even available for retail sale.
It beats Intel+Nvidia shit every time.
>>51770508
Other than wasting a lot of money in expensive RAM you won't have the upgradeability of a cheap CPU and dedicated GPU combo
>>51770758
So much wrong
You can only crossfire with the 240(x)/250(x) and their direc
t successors.
>>51770508
The only people who will tell you not to APU are people who haven't had an APU, for gaming and general use any A-10 is more than enough
![bc50735c9703d34d0e361d56618946f1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/2lc9D6l.png "bc50735c9703d34d0e361d56618946f1[1].png")
>>51772641
2133Mhz costs not even $10 more than 1300Mhz.
Yes OP could get a CPU+GPU combo, and it would outperform an APU, not by much, but enough to form an argument.
But, when it comes time to add a dedicated GPU to the APU build, it can be put into crossfire, and that slight performance jump is also worth bringing into the discussion.
I'd think twice about trying to run fallout 4 on any sort of integrated graphics - the game devours system resources like americans inhale burgers.
I do like AMD's APU's though, but you have to be realistic about their limitations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv57qDXpEPU
>>51770539
I have the A10-7850k with a r7-260x and it can't manage more than the lowest settings at 1080p in FO4, and even then it isn't always 60fps.
Buying AMD stocks
Reminder that AMD cannot go bankrupt until either ARM takes over the desktop and server market or Intel goes bankrupt.
Intel needs AMD to avoid a monopoly
Personally I invest my savings in AMD stocks
>>51772807
why 7850 cost more than 7870?
>>51770508
get a used fx 6300 , used am3+ board and used 7790 gpu and you're set
>>51770758
>On the box of the APU will be a list of GPUs with which you can enter Dual Graphics mode, but yes, you can cross fire with almost all AMD GPUs.
Except that the driver support is so bad that you LOSE performance.
What about using them in a HTPC?
>>51774064
Probably using launch prices
I got my 7850k bundled with a motherboard for $120.
Its not efficient. In a budget computer most of your money is going into the ram,mobo,storage,case,psu, monitor. The cheapest real retail gpu that isn't scam tier is the r9 270 for about $100 which will have triple or more the power of an apu. A cpu to drive it would be about $50-60. You don't save enough to justify it.
>poor guy
>I want to buy stuff that's beyond my means!
>poor guy remains poor
>>51774487
APU isn't meant for dedicated gaming imo. I think its marketed towards the casuals and the prebuilt users who simply wants something that does good enough gaming (medium/low 1080p) and good enough facebook machine. If the prebuilt companies can deliver cheap station for these guys, then they would buy it.
>>51774202
That issue was fixed when the GPUs moved over to GCN, it was more or less an architectural problem.
Using the IGP for gaming is still pretty retarded unless you're going for an A8 or an A6, in which case nothing else will compete for the price. OP would be better off getting an Athlon 860k and a dedicated graphics card, like this anon suggests >>51774487
I have a 7850k with 2133MHz RAM. I knew it was a bad choice when I bought it but I was buying it just to overclock. With a hyper 212 evo I was lucky enough to get it to 4.7GHz CPU side and 1028MHz GPU side. It still performs somewhat lacklustre in games.
>>51770508
Get the Athlon 860k and pair it with a decent GPU. Better for poorfags imo.
If you really2 had to go with fm2 socket, u should go with athlon 840 and adds an r7 260x
It'll cost you 15$ more for 200% increase in graphical performance than what you got on a kaveri/godavari igp.
>>51774784
seconding this
>>51770765
The a10 6800k came out on 2013 and is $120 on newegg. Its not even their most high end apu.
>>51774898
Exactly.
Acceptable. Though the A10-7850K doesn't really offer much more performance compared to the A8-7600 ($80). I would get the A8 instead.
Overall the best way to get into playing PC vydias since you can at least play games on medium 720p settings and get 40-50 FPS. You can add a dedicated R7 GPU later for 1080p gayming and even crossfire the iGPU with the dedicated GPU.
>>51770879
Pretty suspicious that they didn't mention the FPS Intel+Nvidia got. Graphs can be pretty deceptive when you don't include numbers. Not saying it isn't better, but it's just odd.
>>51770508
I was looking into it recently and it's just now woth it price/perfirmance wise.
On apu you'll get 30 or less fps on withcher 3 720p lowest settings.
If you choose to buy any random gpu, cpu will bottleneck, fx 8core would've been better. You waste money.
If you go for a hybrid crossfire, you're limited in choice to stock r7 something gpu which is not viable anymore, thus waste of money.
If you want to go full amd, you should wait for Zen.
>>51775199
>If you choose to buy any random gpu, cpu will bottleneck
That's not entirely true, you're grossly underestimating excavator. It's perfectly competent, especially when overclocked.
It is also very, very good for the price if you're buying the 860k, which costs sweet fuck all.
They are literally autistic they can buy regular 1600mhz memory, an 860k for 60 bucks, and a Zotac GTX 750ti for around 90. It's way better than the shit a10 graphics
>>51770508
Get fast RAM.
Otherwise, they're fine. I have one myself for my HTPC. I just need it to render 4k h265 and it does that well.
>>51775537
>Gtx 750memeti
>>51772714
If you're buying a general purpose computer for family etc. who don't need gaming, APUs are damn good.
You get decent low-budget graphics performance integrated.
>>51775537
That's still more expensive than a $80 A8-7600.
>>51770508
Go for a pentium and a 750ti or a r9 270
>>51776614
I say pentium if you want upgrade in future, else go AMD. Shit's cheap and pretty good for tre money
>>51776614
>dual thread CPU
>2016ish
No thanks, family. A lot of recent games won't even launch on CPUs with less than four threads available, and those that do run like complete shit.
>>51770508
Get as much of the fastest ram as you can and an APU should be ok.
>>51776614
>pentium
>>51777037
G3258 can be over clocked to 4.7ghz with a 212 Evo. It's the ultimate poorfag cpu.
>>51770566
Nigga wat. Isn't the A10 7850k basically an 860k with an onboard GPU?
>>51777216
Not on a board that doesn't cost more than the cpu itself.
>>51775774
That's the thing about APUs, all you game nerds hear APUs are good for gaming and you lose your shit because you're like "nu uh, you can't max Fallout 4 in 4K with an APU!", any A-10 @2133 will give you 1080p 60fps on all but the AAAist of games, for the overwhelming majority of PC users APUs are more than they'll ever need
>>51777216
2 cores though. 4.7GHz means fuck all in that respect.
GPUs exist because it's often beneficial to run thousands of small tasks than 1 or 2 really fast ones.
Especially for gaming.
>>51777256
That may be true to a degree, but the good thing is that you can always swap it out for a 4690k or a 4790k. It leaves you with options for upgrading.
>>51777256
And also what good motherboard costs less than 45$? Honestly.
>>51777422
>swap it out for a 4690k or a 4790k.
That still means spending a good chunk on them otherboard because overclocking capable mobos don't get that cheap all told.
>>51777216
That's still a CPU with only 2 threads. It's going to cause a ton of problems with many vydias. Just get the A8 7600 and add a video card later. No need to go with jewtel to play vydias.
>>51770688
Left 4 Dead 2 isn't old, it only came out 6 years ago.
>>51773303
the guy buying the cpu should also be jewish as he's pinching his shekels by purchasing a flawed product.
What's your budget OP? You can get a GTX 750ti for $130 on newegg.
The APU's are ok for something like League of Legends or StarCraft but I don't know about Fallout.
>>51770523
i have a 7770k with a R9 390
its botte neced but it runs gta at max so it all good
>>51777235
Yeah. And the 860k is garbage, it'll bottleneck a fucken gtx 960. So basically you're paying almost double for a terrible CPU
>>51775188
This. Depending on the scale, they can make a 4 fps difference look huge
>>51776679
Why the fuck is intel so insanely better at those benchmarks? Not even the best AMD can beat a fucking i3 s m h
>>51770508
take out a single core celeron out of the trash so you dont have to buy a cpu, get a graphics card with all that money you saved.
>>51778290
FO4 is responsive to ram speed and we have no idea what ram was used from that chart. More than once I have seen reviewers slap 1600mhz ram on AMD chips and 2400mhz kits on Intel ones (hint: vishera supports 2400mhz ram).
FO4 runs like dogshit on my i5 2400 with 12 GB of 1333 MHz RAM and a 750Ti.
>buy APU
>manage to play literally all titles at decent settings >30fps (720p is GOAT)
>DX12 comes in
>buy Pascal or 14nm AMD (don't know the name) GPU
>profit
Dude, I may be trying to justify my purchase but my APU (A8 7650k) is perfectly fine to play Dark Souls, which is basically the only game I play. I also downloaded Dirt Rally and the game runs pretty well. Maybe in one or two years I'll buy a dedicated graphics card and profit from having two GPUs on a good (in theory) architecture. Don't mind what the faggots on /g/ will tell you. Some faggots here don't understand that if you're buying an APU you probably won't have the Money to buy 980ti SLI or a 1200W PSU, they're too autistic to understand that.
Now, if you want more performance in daily task and if you multitask a lot pair it with an SSD and it will be better than wasting time on a jewtel processor that costs more than what you're planning to spend.
I might even buy some used GTX 750ti if I really feel like I need to. Meanwhile this is perfectly fine.
>>51776679
>a forty dollar cpu averages 50 FPS @ 1080P ultra on a AAA game from a month ago
>you insist it's not good enough because it isn't 120 FPS
i need you to fuck off, mate, seriously
>>51779150
you need the six hundred dollar i7 bro, srs, don't be a casool!1one
>>51770879
> falling for the AMD-provided benchmarks meme
>>51770508
It's good for it's money
I have an a10-6800k an i'm playing borderlands 2/tps on ultras 1080p 60fps stable without physx, it drops to 20-30fps with physx turned on. Also pirated gta V on ultras but on 1280x720 i get 30-40 fps, it's playable if you have 4x AA on.
So for it's money, I bought it for 90$ it is a VERY decent chip. Notice that I play WITHOUT any graphics card. also 8gb ram.
they have more powerful igpu's than intel's offerings but the cpu is so weak that most of your games will end up bottlenecked... if you need a budget cpu to hold you until you have the money for a real rig just get an i3 or a g3258. otherwise you're better off saving the money and getting a 6600k/4690k and a real GPU to put alongside it.
>APU
LOL no. Too many options out there to limit yourself to paying for a mediocre GPU that can't be flipped because it's integrated into your fucking CPU.
860K + 260X/270 will shit on an APU for only a few dollars more. By going used you can destroy an APU for less. (I put together an i7 3770/12GB/GTX 580 machine for $240)
>>51779203
what's wrong with them?
>>51779396
Not everybody wants to game hardcore you turbo nerd, APUs are more than most need
>>51779711
Are you retarded?
I have 7870k it's gr8. 70 is like $10 more than 50 don't get 50 dumbass
>>51772915
I bet if you reduce the resolution to 720p or something, you'd be able to play it on low at a stable 60 fps
But I won't lie, that's really impressive for an integrated GPU to be able to do that.
>>51772915
That's because the processor only works in crossfire with r7 250 you dumbshit. Learn how to read. You're using the 260x by itself
>>51779711
the reference benchmarks in the fury x reviewers kit showed it beating the 980ti in literally every game
turns out they cherry picked absurd settings that nobody would actually use in the real world, and the rest is history. 980ti placed the fury x into the trash in every independent benchmark.
>>51779798
You can put together a C2D/8800GT system for the price of an APU chip alone that will have just as much power.
Why spend $350 for a system that doesn't even have a legit copy of Windows when you can have a $120 build that does?
>>51780190
No you can't, way to be retarded though
>>51770508
They're great for budgets under $400
an A8 7650K is going to be your best bet
>>51779203
Those are 4k benchmarks with no AA
The APU graphics meme is strong ITT
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-9.html
>>51780215
LOL, you're kidding, right?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883798580
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nvidia-GTX-460-Sparkle-Video-Card-PCI-E-768MB-Tested-Working-/321937870245?hash=item4af4fe0da5:g:88cAAOSw8-tWX7Z2
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00LV8TZAG/?tag=pcpapi-20
>>51780669
>$10 shipping
Wait, this is better:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/EVGA-Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-460-1GB-GDDR5-Video-PCIe-x16-SLI-Video-Card-/311501941524?hash=item4886f66b14:g:URoAAOSwfZ1WaJuN
Add some to the budget and we can do this:
https://newhaven.craigslist.org/sys/5328788398.html
http://flash.newegg.com/product/N82E16814131682
>>51779798
then they should buy a $50 pentium, there's literally no use case for AMD's APUs over intel's offerings.
>>51780925
The System Properties window and the ``specs'' don't match up.
>>51781107
He had more than one Z400. He's recycling pics from his original listing.
>>51780669
Congratulations, you've made a computer that's worse in all respects to any APU, you sure showed me!
>>51780315
which is the same as 1080p with 4x SSAA
>>51781445
>he thinks an APU is faster than a GTX 460
ROFLMAO!
>>51782050
It really is.
>>51782120
APU is in the ballpark of the R7 240 DDR3.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9307/the-kaveri-refresh-godavari-review-testing-amds-a10-7870k/5
R7 240 vs a 1GB (256 bit) GTX 460? Sure looks equal to me.
>It really is
>>51782209
>APU is in the ballpark of the R7 240 DDR3.
No, it's a R7 250 that is why it can crossfire with it.
>>51782436
>what is memory bandwidth
>what is core speed
>>51777216
It literally doesn't matter how much you overclock it, it's still going to choke hard in newer games. It can't even cope when you're targeting 30fps, let alone 60 and bottlenecks even a 750 Ti out the ass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxUPJdcChzE
>>51782521
>Wrong data without source
>>51782649
>benchmarks don't agree with my fanboiism so the benchmarks must be wrong.
Sorry, but the 750/866MHz APU does not match a 1050MHz 250.
>>51770508
seeing how I actually have an a10-7850k, I can give some numbers.
I used passmark's performance test, /g/'s favorite benchmark.
4.2GHz @ 1.32500V - ~6300 points
(on par with the FX-6300 at stock speeds)
R7 iGPU @1000MHz core, 2400MHz CL11 RAM - ~1601 points
(on par with an HD7750 or a well clocked r7-250)
The iGPU kept me going for months until I upgraded to a dedicated card. After using the dGPU, I was able to get more of an OC on the CPU, up to about 4.3GHz. I tuned it down back to 4.2 because of a single time that a game crashed on me, but it's still just about the same performance.
I see APU's as an intermediate product that lets you see what performance you *want* to get out of your pc. If you want more, get a dGPU, if you're alright, stick with the iGPU. I like it.
I hope you'll spend the money you saved in condoms so you never reproduce.
>>51782843
Can you tell me why you wouldn't pay $20 more for the 7870k
>>51779546
>can't be flipped because it's integrated
Yes it can retard. You can use the cpu with any processor and disable the integrated gpu
>>51782894
not him but can't you just OC that shit on a $20 cooler and get the same results plus better cooling potential.
>>51782843
My girlfriend's old rig with a stock FX-6300 and a seriously overclocked HD6670 with GDDR5 was actually just a tiny bit slower than my OC'ed A10-7850 build.
It's a great chip to start with.
>>51782894
oh shit. I actually forgot the model number on my chip. I do have the 7870K.
my bad.
>>51782952
*A10-7870
>>51782970
have you tried any of the win10 spy disabling software? I've gone through a couple plus all the privacy settings but overall the forced update downloads+install piss me off the most. especially without any descriptions for them.
>>51782843
Is that a mITX board?
Fucking sold if it is, want to build something lighter/less power hungry but still good enough for assfaggots at 1080p/60fps.
>>51783031
Like basic/high visual settings @1080?
>>51783043
High textures, no shadows/aa. Everything other than textures is placebo in gaming.
>>51783048
Still better than current consoles amirite
>>51783057
Ahh that motherboards fucking expensive I paid less for my FX-6300 ATX board, fuck this gay island I live on.
>>51783031
it's tiny af.
>>51782952
>>51782521
>information not available
But muh charts
its fine, if you are not expecting a performance of a 1200$ pc, my friend has it and he's fine because he mostly plays lol and dota and some indie games, never anything big like witcher 3 or cowwadoody blops 6
>>51783176
>never anything big like witcher 3 or cowwadoody blops 6
The APU is actually fast enough for that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKLp9LP1jtU
>>51770508
A10-7870K here. It's ok for 720p or some 1080p games.
>>51783218
Some games run fine medium and high settings.
>>51770508
They are great budget parts.
>>51782951
The 7870 comes with a better cooler than the 50 and it can be over clocked higher
>>51782944
You can't sell the graphics you bought. You're paying $50 over an 860k that you can't recoup if you upgrade. That makes it a bad choice for a poorfag.
Spending $70 on a 860k + $50 on a used GTX 460 will not only give you 40-50% more speed than an APU, if you wanted to upgrade past a GTX 460 you could recoup the money you put into it.
If you buy an APU you're stuck having sunk $120 in your CPU.
>poorfag comes into $100 and wants to upgrade his computer's graphics
>If he bought an APU, he only has the $100 to buy a GPU.
>if he bought a 860k + GTX 460, he can sell the 460 for $50 and buy a $150 GPU.
Buying an APU is putting money into something that limits your options.
APUs have their place. I have a 220W PSU here that probably has no better use than to power an APU build. It's just they're very, very, very, very, very, very niche.
If AMD gave you the graphics for free they'd be great. But they don't. They sell the 860k for $70 and then actually make you pay about what the graphics are worth. And when we're talking $30-50 worth of graphics, that's a very narrow window between it and an $80 260X or $100 750 Ti.
If the build is going to be used for any sort of gaming, why wouldn't you spend the 10-15% more to more than double your speed?
So like I said, it's very niche. You have to be anchored on buying new, and you have to be short that $40-50 that will make all the difference.
>>51783207
well shit, didnt know that, in that case, apus are bretty good
hopefully zen apus have r9 280x or 290 in it
>>51783305
that's why you get a8 7600 or 7650k if you are a poorfag, not a10, meaning 80-100$
>>51783664
Poorfags have better options.
>$240
>>51783773
The i7 3770 is $420
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007SZ0EHE/
The GTX 580 is $400
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B004BDOR6U/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
So $800 together which is quite more than the $80 for the A8-7600.
>>51783773
if you really are a poorfag and you live in a poor country, you dont. believe me, I know. when a new pc means literally months of your pay all the "better" options for upgrade became moot as an upgrade could be half a year or more away.
>>51773303
"legal technicalities make it so they can't go bankrupt" != "good investment for growth"
>>51783852
>>51783856
You're still looking at new parts...
Start looking at second hard parts, you'll get a faster system for less money.
Of course there are some things you avoid buying second hand, like Power Supplies or Fans and AIO Water Coolers, but for everything else, you save a shitload buying used.
>Same as a car, you don't buy second hand tires or spark plugs - but buying a used car itself, or a used engine, a new seat from a wrecker, etc, etc is all fine.
>>51783852
$240.
>XPS 8500: $175 from someone returning to his home in Finland
>GTX 580: $15 from a gamer girl who upgraded to a 970
>XFX 550W PSU: $50 new.
>>51783057
Console are basically AMD APU rigs
>>51783983
that would be true if there where options but as it stands, for me, there are none. living in eastern eu looking for a proper cpu in used parts sections means I can pick between c2q era cpus that cost about as much a new athlons 5xxx or older i5/7 that cost 10-20% less than new gen parts. amd parts are so limited that often are more expensive than comparable intel parts. around here the intel propaganda is strong. also mobos are quite often more expensive than modern parts because around here people buy pcs that will be used for years with little or no upgrade unless critical failure occurs. when money is tight things are different; no new gpu every year or new cpu every 2 years. many of the people I know have c2d/old entry level nvidia gpus. heck, one real estate I worked for used pentium4s when I was there and "upgraded" to celeron laptops and e5000 c2d something file/print server 1 and a half years ago.
not everyone lives in "the west" where there are options
>>51784344
You're just not looking hard enough.
Cheap 2nd hand Core2Quad through to Sandy Xeons can be found on Aliexpress, all pulled from decommissioned servers that went for 'recycling'
Cheap GPUs can be found on GPUShack that has worldwide shipping.
Motherboards can be found on ebay and amazon among other places - and even if it's USA only shipping, there are forwarding services available.
You're only putting yourself in a box mate.
It's only been very recently that Australia has had at all reasonably priced and widely available parts - for the most part we had to resort to the above.
Learn to scrounge mate.
>>51784817
Aliexpress yes but: Estimated Delivery Time: 15-60 days (It may take longer during the holiday seasons.) or € 32,02 for 4-8 days. that is a bit hard to swallow, even with the low prices
didnt knew about gpu shack, thanks
as for forwarding services, after adding the cost it will be cheaper to just buy locally.
>>51785366
gpu shack: Shipping to non-USA addresses discontinued until Jan 1st, 2016. Please use a USA freight-forwarding address.
I... what? considering that, forwarding comes up again and with that it becomes cheaper to get it locally
>>51785366
Practically, Aliexpress registered delivery takes 2 weeks, costing merely EUR 2.
>>51785534
did a bit of digging on local sites and delivery time seems to be ~30-35 days with 1 result citing 53 days, just like I heard before.
if you dont live somewhere close to the major eu-china ports you are in for a ride just to save 20 eur.
>>51785724
>Things are too expensive
>Things take too long
>I don't want a solution, I just want to whinge and flame.
Maybe Reddit would be a better place to ask your question, they are much happier to put up with your brand of bullshit.
>>51786005
>Things are too expensive
>Things take too long
>I don't want a solution, I just want to whinge and flame.
what the fuck, how the fuck is price or 1 month delivery not a serious concern.
apus are a realy good deal when money is a concern.
logical increments recommends g1840+r7 240+4gb+ expensive path to upgrade ram in the 300ish usd range. apu world that would easily give me an a8 + 8gb ram vs 4 + cheap path to upgrade by getting an r7 240/250. if i where to go used parts that would give me an older i3 + hd 5670/6670 + locked on old socket with expensive path to upgrade or 775 c2d/c2q/xeon + gtx 460 + even older socket + expensive path to upgrade and maybe more expensive overall because you cant cheap out on psu with those while you can with just the apu/new pentiums.
how the fuck is not apu the way to go in this case?
>>51786312
1. logicalincrements is a bad guide and falcon is a troll.
2. Arguing over what is better out of a G1840 or an AMD APU in like arguing over which is more deadly arsenic or cyanide.
Both options are shitty, that's why we gave you a third, far better option - buying cheaper but much faster used gear.
If you really want to only buy new and you want it RIGHT NOW - then buy the AMD APU and either wallow in regret over your purchase or attempt to rationalize it by shitposting on /g/.
As far it goes, I'm out - I've given you a better option, if you think it's too hard or you're simply too impatient, then by all means - do whatever the fuck you want, it's your money - not mine.
>>51786415
but it's not cheaper. when you add the price for forwarding it becomes more expensive that getting parts locally. those services arent really wort it when you get low end. when you go mid/high end then it makes sense to buy from uk/us and forward.
yes, what you suggested works, but not for everyone. if you arent us/uk delivery kills it.
