Can we please talk about this Website. Does it mean that we are stuck in the matrix?
https://libraryofbabel.info
There's a character limit iirc, the number of permutations it can generate is not "infinite"
>>51742985
Right but I feel like it's a small glimpse of something bigger. Just because the website can only find you 3200 characters at a time doest mean that if you had better programing ie stronger tools you could see further into the "infinte".
>>51742937
It is imperfect. Such a thing cannot and will not exist in its proper form for a good period of time.
What a shame.
>>51743038
I feel like this is hinting at the thing we live in is the actual 3d real world library. Idk. Just makes me feel like everything I'm saying right now is already on there. So why wouldn't on a cosmic level it make sense that everything that "could" happen would eventually happen.
yes, everything has an underlying structure to it. like the skeleton inside that flesh of yours. and thank god for that. whats even scarier would be if there was no underlying structure. math, physics, law all of it gives the universe shape, form and order.
if there was no order everything would be chaos..this stuff starts heading into the bible by the way..
>>51742937
Go read Borges
http://hyperdiscordia.crywalt.com/library_of_babel.html
>>51742985
If you conceptualize permutations as fragments of a whole, it becomes infinite.
>>51743407
None of those things are inherent to the physical structure of the universe, though. They're our descriptions/approximations of a "real" that is impossible to access or conceptualize.
>>51743433
this
So what the f*** is this exactly no matter what I put into the system it's just a bunch of characters never anything solid in the English language at least I apologize for the automatic censoring I'm using voice to text on my phone and can't be assed to correct it
>>51743053
That's what asking. Will it? And if it does what does it imply? I guess this isn't interesting to anyone else? >>51743433
I did this morning it was really good.
Its a troll... Dopes !!
>>51743691
Correction I guess it is :)
>>51743716
I'm not trolling. I really wanted to hear other oppions about this.
>>51743517
logic is like a wrapper. think of a everything as giant ball of dough, logic packs it into neat bite sized increments that are easy for consumption
lets say the word "apple". what is an apple? by naming experiences and associations were able to give a definition of an apple that is globally agreed upon. just like the sun and the moon and planets give us a logical way to track time in this infinite and endless nothingness.
i like to call logic part of the "dark" energy. in this universe there are 2 forces like on a battery or magnet. the dark energy restricts and only wants to return to nothingness because nothingness is perfectly logical, nothing should exist and nothing matters after all. then you have the positive energy or "chaos" it wants to exist for no reason but it has no form or shape, the restrictive dark energy gives everything law and order so that it can exist and the chaos energy wants to exist and it gives pleasure and meaning to logically meaningless existence.
the dark energy is cold, calculating there is no joy or meaning. the positive energy is random and spontaneous it doesnt need a meaning. when these 2 forces clash you get what were in now.
creativity, life, fun, light, chaos, music, emotions all of these are from the positive energy
math, physics, death, gravity, time all of these are from the dark energy
>>51743771
the reason i said it goes into the bible (by the way) is because god states in the bible i am the beginning and the end, alpha and omega the first and the last. the 2 basic forces on magnets, batteries ...light and darkness..something and nothingness. this duality which is an absolute truth is what god is. hot and cold came together and formed warm, x came together with y and formed Z, red came together with blue and formed green. God is a trinity. heaven and hell are polar extremes of duality ultimate positive vs ultimate negative. free will to choose good and evil.... its all there man.
>>51743992
kek
>>51743916
>>51743771
you are just another fool who thinks he's found the answer in the infinite meaningless permutations of random chance, and, while the physicists and chemists and mathematicians are wrong, or at least incomplete in their assessment of the world, they at least have the decency to be rigorous and consistent in their premises and methodologies.
you are speaking the empty platitudes of a burnt out acid tripper. just because "light and dark" and "alpha and omega" sound grand, doesn't mean that there is a single insight that you've made.
The Library of Babel is a compelling text about generative processes, language, meaning, and our relationships with the infinite, but you're just taking it as a platform to spout garbage and feel deep. fuck you. fuck you and every person who keeps having empty epiphany after empty epiphany
>>51743992
Sorry, I was just giving you an explanation to what you stated.
>>51744056
you are saying nothing. you are explaining nothing. name one thing that you have said that actually has anything to do with every possible permutation of slightly over a million characters of the roman alphabet.
what the fuck does that have to do with the bible or with light and dark or your made up concepts of "dark energy" being logic and positive energy being "fun"?
fuck you. go learn to think.
>>51744053
You cant deny duality. its in atoms. Something and nothing, beginning and end..inside and outside..extraverted introverted. its undeniable. If you let your brain sit and think about it youll realize it. maybe the theories i have around it might be inaccurate but its true. it can only be true or not true after all...another duality.
>>51744091
wow man instead of like thinking about it you guys get all angry and attack me what the heck..
>>51744091
Thank you for this. >>51744091
>>51744140
religion triggers some
>>51744116
the first thing that we learned with the collapse of modernity is that all dichotomies are false, or provisional at best. even on a purely physical level, things like the heisenberg uncertainty principle or schrodinger's cat mean that even a flat description of certain particles becomes impossible, let alone making these fucking moronic categorizations of what something is or isn't.
Here, let me show you something of this on a level that you might be actually capable of understanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distinction_of_blue_and_green_in_various_languages
>>51743664
underage b&
>>51744152
No I just wanted to talk about this website and how everything we are all typing right in order of every post in this wonderbread is already there and has a permenent place in that library. Seems weird to me that's all. Just didn't want to talk about the christain trinity is all.
I don't get it. How do I use this site?
I opened it up and it just looks like some key & peele dude's portfolio website.
Why does op seem so scared and why is the first reply responding as if op just got his life read back to him..?
>>51743916
what the fuck is this sub-facebook tier meme shit
go fuck yourself, you indian piece of shit
>>51744190
Damn dude, didn't mean to make you upset... I'll just go.
>>51742937
If it truly is what i think it is, it will contain any and all information ever.
Every detail about you - the people you love, your passwords, what porn you like - is all in there.
If the library is truly infite then every piece of information about anything exists in there.
>matrix
we're not living inside the library, we're living parallel with it.
I have to admit, this is the most disturbing thing i have ever seen.
>>51744238
This guy is a pretty big stoner or what ever but he explains what it is alright.
https://youtu.be/jarXHrjPbKQ
>>51744190
the form of the library kind of points at generating meaningful bodies of text, but you could accomplish the same effect with even less.
if you wanted a total reduction of the library, you could include two books, one with a single 1 in it, and one with a 0. by reordering the books, you'd have every possible permutation of every meaning.
>>51744279
Yes someone who gets it. Thankyou. I don't feel alone anymore :)
>>51744295
could you paraphrase that video for me? I'm on a shitty connection at the moment. I'm actually doing most of my browsing as full text right now.
>>51744279
It does contain it all . everything Einstein wrote is in there, Plato anyone.. Pick someone's work copy it in and find its resting place.
>>51744279
yeah, but the real job is distinguishing the meaningful from the meaningless ones. It also contains all nonsense possible within the allotted number of characters, which is uncountable orders of magnitude greater than the ones that contain useful information, or even lies.
>>51744327
The concept is pretty awesome and horrifying.
But this cannot be packed into a website.
The information is just generated, it will one day have all the worlds matter made into hard drives to store it all and then it will run out of matter.
It is imperfect.
But for now on, it looks like it works.
To test that i'm going a step further and search the first 3200 char's of this thread
>>51744384
Fuck with your teachers and list this website as the only source for everything you use and make them prove that you did not mention the sources correctly.
>>51744351
Website.
Algorithm to produce all combonations of the 26 letter and . And ,
10^500 possible options
Any 3200 character text can be found by searching.
But everything that could exist is in there.
Mostly random jumbled bulshit.
Until it's not.
Then goes back to whatever.
>>51744410
Please do.
Post results please
>>51744406
i didn't say you could look stuff up and expect it to be true and you can only find information you already know (or browse your ass off, the chance you randomly find it is exactly 0).
If everything is in it you get an awful lot of circular references and those would eventually drive mankind insane.
>>51744432
Keking
ITT: people don't understand how salted random generation works.
It's not as terrifying as it's the underlying nature of systems made by sets of smaller parts which can be assigned a numerical identifyer.
Aka any system created by man.
>>51744483
But then they strike back and accuse you of plagiarism.
Guess which site they found your essay on...
>>51744454
So it's a fingerbox, except that unlike a fingerbox which is P this is NP provided you search for that particular.
Okay. Funny enough, though, if you manage to get an english words query result you get back some pretty good tidbits of information.
>>51744498
ITT:
people who fail to see why this is the biggest philosofical breakthrough since "why did the chicken cross the road?" and treat everyone else as people who misunderstand randomness.
>>51744565
it's literally the infinite monkey theorem.
If you have anything pointing to me being wrong please point it out with proof/meaningful explanation.
A system which contains all permutations of a subset of elements is about as useful as a system that contains none.
>>51744605
>implying
we are hyped by the usefulness
https://www.reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/3715ui/a_complete_list_of_every_combination_of/crizixu
>In either case, I'd say that the text has possible existence before a page request, and actual existence after a page request. In my mind, it doesn't make a significant difference how the data is created on page request - whether its stored on a server or created from an algorithm, you get the same end result.
So the author is just being a misleading dick in saying that the text already existed before you searched for it.
>inb4 reddit
Cortazar > Borges
>>51744470
It works.
Redesigning this will probably be the best way to melt the company's servers.
>>51744605
That makes sense. But a system with the ability to reject usless parts ie evolution wouldn't you just end up with only order and coherent structure? I understand that this site is not the end all confirm infinity machine. I just think it's like a small glimpse as to what is behind the seams. If that makes any sense.
I really aprichate the thoughts here everyone Thanks BTW.
>>51744605
I want you to know that there is an infinte number of ways in which what you just said is bullshit.
>>51744659
How do I know it's not just sticking my search query in the middle of a bunch of gibberish?
>>51744688
Filtering would be useless, you don't know if what it says is true or not until you already know.
If you make a decision, the whole reasoning can be found in the library.
You already made a choice, you only need to understand.
>>51744410
well let's do some quick calculations
1,312,000 characters
26 lowercase letters, 26 uppercase letters, comma, space, period.
55 possible characters per space
55^1,312,000 since order matters.
comes out to about 7*10^228355 . we'll assume that characters are 1 byte each.
divide by 10^18 bytes to get our units in exabytes and you've got 7*10^228347 exabytes.
The approximate total data stored digitally to date was estimated around 300 exabytes (googled it. estimation happened around 2011).
so 2.3*10^228345 times the total space of all files stored on digital devices on the planet earth. fun.
>>51744668
You do know how it works right?
It just runs your text through the reversed algorithm to find the page
>>51744704
The pages are based on an algorithm the author created
https://libraryofbabel.info/theory4.html
>>51744699
I'm proud to see that the human race produced another person that understands this.
>kek
>>51744687
That's my next stop
>>51744735
It would identical and much easier to just take your input and surround it with random characters
>>51744735
How it works is irrelevant.
If you can't see how this is not about the fucking algorithmes, fuck off to starbucks and take selfies.
>>51744643
>usefulness
Okay, I'll be generous imagine that this had only books in english that made sense, it would contain every truth and revelations ever made, but also every single lie, nonsensical ramble and other useless information.
There's no way to separate what is relevant and what isn't.
What we are doing here is rolling dice and being happy when a six shows up. It's nonsense and wishful patern matching.
>>51744688
How do you determine what constitutes relevant information and what doesn't.
That's the issue with trying to randomly generate solutions, Granted in some problems it's the best way to do things, see fuzzing when you debug a program. In this scenario however it's entirely useless.
>>51744692
Cite one.
Thanks
>>51744565
>why did the chicken cross the road
>biggest philosofical(sic) breakthrough
you fucking wot m8
Just out of interest, why is this thread mirrored here?
http://sheekyforums.com/thread/51742937/technology/can-we-please-talk-about-this-website.html
>>51744730
I second that.
Hold on while i try to make accurate scientific calculations on my phone.
>>51744780
>Autism
so basically this thing is like the multiverse theory?
>>51744762
It would be but that is not how it works
>>51744769
Anon you need to take a chill pill. All the website does is convert pages, numbers, and wall to a wall of text. It can then convert a wall of text to a page in a book on a wall.
>>51743916
thats some retarded shit
just because you can only recall two aspects of something doesn't mean that duality is an absolute truth
beginning - end (what about the middle?)
alpha - omega (what about every other letter?)
positive - negative (what about neutral?)
light and dark (what about all non visable spectra?)
hot - cold (easily the stupidest example you gave)
>>51744782
tldr a lot of sites copy boards on 4chan for ad revenue.
Make a thread about it as it doesn;t really fit here
>>51744777
JACKPOT
Youre a BIG lucky
>>51744778
>IMPLYING OVER 9000
That we think that we can use the information
It's shit because it requires more information as a key that the value size.
For example, the exact match for this post is probably 5 times as long.
considering our language is arbitrarily made up of a finite number of characters, it seems perfectly reasonable that a random character generator could conceivably write anything and everything in our language
>>51744782
SHEETYforums copy and replaces every word containint Four Channel to sheetyforums and try to fool people into thinking the forum has trafic.
>>51744811
You clearly don't understand this and i doubt anyone will have the devotion to explain it to you right now.
Try again in a few months.
>>51744730
oops, super fucked up on that one. I'm a fool
each page is 3200 characters, not 1,312,000 characters.
so it's 55^3200, or about 1.4*10^5569 total combinations. divide by 10^18 again and we've got 1.4*10^5551 exabytes.
divide that by 300 and you've got 4.67*10^5548 times the total data storage of planet earth. Much smaller than the other estimation, but still quite hefty.
>>51744857
Anon just go to bed already, you are embarrassing yourself
>>51744813
....
the 2 forces are merged, so hot and cold are merged and they make an almost infinite amount of variables inbetween. cold being on the far left, then mega cold, super cold, very cold, cold. warm, very warm, kinda hot, suuper hot, mega hot etc. nobody ever understands.
>>51744862
>55
Wat?
Number of pages is 410 m8
Whenever i search some random text, it only shows me it on its own page. so far the sentences ive provided only appear alone on an empty page, then the pages before and after are jumbled shit. Why is that happening?
>>51744832
>That we think that we can use the information
Your point being ?
If I set an infinite amount of monkeys to work on an infinite number of typewriters one day one of them will write about the conversation we are having this very second, but since I'll have no way to find said document it'll be useless, and an infinite monkeys will write absolute mishmash of letters, and yet another infinity will write about the kardashians and einstein or football, it doesn't matter, since there's no way to decide what is and what isn't relevant.
>>51744889
You should look at the second result.
The first one is the searched text and only spaces.
the second one is searched text with everything.
third is with only english words.
>>51742937
Nah, we aint.It is simple really. All that it really says is that
'the set of character sequences of length 3200 contains all of the character sequences with length 3200'.
The fact that it is possible to have 27^3200 different options is mindboggling, but that's combinatorics for you. And since our language is made with characters, it's really no surprise that some of those character sequences mean things to us.
Though I am really impressed by how the search function works. That's some real magic there.
But if you really want twist your mind, consider this:
You learned language by having someone teach you it + osmosis by seeing/hearing/imitating etc. But how did the first language/communication technique come to be? Considering the first talking people had no standards of communication. They had no way of telling what something they did meant. All right, explaining the sun or sand or prey might be quite easy. But things that are not visible? Thoughts, feelings, anything more abstract? No way. Basically just trusting that the others thought the same way. And from this, through our culture, we have learnt the children of these languages and are using them to shitpost all over the world.
I did it again but i filled the box with all one character. This thing seems fake.
>>51744889
It give the page with what you typed followed by nothing but spaces as the first result. It also gives all the other results containing your search just have to scroll down .
>>51744879
>nobody understands this
because its wrong
cold isn't force
there is simply less hot and more hot.
you dont add cold to your hot to get warm. you add less hot to your more hot to get somewhat less hot
>>51744643
okay, let's say that your search query is ten words that are around 7 characters long. that's 70 characters.
one page is 3200 characters. minus your search query, that's 3193 characters. if we assume that the character space is lower case letters, space, comma, period, as the "about" page states, that's 29 possible characters per remaining slot.
29^3193 = about 2.7*10^4669 possible pages. How do you find anything useful or even a useless thing that is mildly intelligible in that mess?
>>51744926
>So its either something or nothing.
>>51744926
*sigh*
it doesnt matter what way you look at it....
>>51744907
Yeah dude I think about that a lot too. :)
>>51744944
exactly. 0 or 1. on or off. the middle part is whether youve decided to turn it on or off. but the thing is "ON" doesn't exist without "OFF"...
>>51743099
>>51744648
The text already "exists" before you type it in because of the algorithm, but because of storage limits he can't just store everything ever.
My assumption, anyway.
>>51744970
Yes wonderful. I understand but it's again not what I wanted to talk about here. So gtfo.
I'm not sure if I understand this...
https://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?ajjjstmbhbog376
>>51742985
It is by definition not infinite, and never attempted to pass itself off as such. The entire concept behind the Library of Babel is that it's NOT infinite, and because it isn't infinite it's possible to be recorded and searched through.
>>51744786
http://www.wolframalpha com/input/?i=80*40*410*32*20
this is the calculation of characters per hexagon.
Multiply with ∞ to get the total number of characters (∞).
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=80*40*410*32*20*%E2%88%9E
>>51745002
you started the conversation...i was just lurking :^)
the only thing that the library actually does is that it frames the generation of a fixed number of random characters as a search through pages that already exist.
it's neither more nor less useful than generating the same number of characters yourself.
It seems like the legal implications are significant
The website creator could claim that every book written after the creation of the site is plagiarized and could probably prove that his generation engine wrote it first
>>51745034
Hey its cool just want to stay on track a little
>>51745002
oh is that right?
its not what you wanted to talk about here?
maybe you should have just had the conversation with yourself and avoided the internet all together
>>51745021
every webpage has the javascript property window which is also infinte (correct terminology is "contains circular references") but it's there.
>>51745055
you are the only person that thinks that you have something insightful or interesting to say.
What are the chances of hitting the random button and getting a page with even a simple intelligible English sentence?
>>51745042
Now I know what i need to send to my ISP providers when they accuse me of piracy.
>>51743053
>for a good period of time
You mean never. It would be bigger than the universe.
>>51745061
obviously not. I only posted once (now twice)
seems like every other poster has something to say that they think is valuable
I just think its funny that somebody would write on 4chan that "its not what I wanted to talk about here, so gtfo"
like your the king of your own thread or something
>>51745042
the only problem with that is that it is essentially impossible to find a text without already knowing what that text is, and to copyright something, you'd have to submit the specific thing that you want to copyright.
>>51745095
again, you demonstrate a severe misunderstanding. no one besides you thinks that your posts have anything insightful or interesting. In fact, there is essentially nothing at all in anything you have said.
i'll say it again
you are the only person who thinks your posts are worth anything. everyone else knows your posts are worth nothing.
>>51745101
What's really crazy is that a man wrote a book about this library and people who lived in it trying to find the room with the book that told them how to use the library. It was written in the 40's translated to English in the 60s
>>51744777
Fucking lost it, 4chan always finds a way to bring things back down to earth.
>>51745142
was he by chance a mathematician ?
I'd wager so.
>>51745095
i choose to believe that
>>51743771
>>51743916
>>51744056
>>51744116
>>51744140
>>51744269
>>51744879
are all you, because the alternative means having to exist in a universe where more than one person is as totally fucking moronic as this.
>>51745161
Idk I just found out about all this over the weekend. But I bet u r right. It a shot story only 5 pages long you can dl the pdf for free
>>51745131
oh man I didnt mean to derail your thread with my un-insightful and un-interesting comment about your thread nazi-ism.
This whole thread demonstrates lack of insight. Its about a random character generator. literally random. and you (presumably the thread creator) are getting butthurt because folks are posting what they want to post, instead of what you want them to post
why not just let people converse how they want? you are, after all, on a public forum
>>51745195
yeah, and the way that I, and others who have more than 2 brain cells to rub together, wish to converse is in such a way to tell you to fucking kill yourself because you are a waste of the air that you breathe.
>>51745195
No he isn't to thread creator and you a faggot
>>51745178
literally none of those posts were from the guy you're replying too
>>51745178
the guy you replied to isnt me, but those posts are all mine yes and im sorry you feel that way.
>>51745265
that's a disappointment
It certainly is more convenient to believe that everything you dont like is caused by a single individual, and that having that person kill themselves would dramatically improve the whole world
we're doomed, somewhere written in this library is the fate of mankind
we're all dead.
>"Since I imagine the question will present itself in some visitors’ minds (a certain amount of distrust of the virtual is inevitable) I’ll head off any doubts: any text you find in any location of the library will be in the same place in perpetuity. We do not simply generate and store books as they are requested - in fact, the storage demands would make that impossible. Every possible permutation of letters is accessible at this very moment in one of the library's books, only awaiting its discovery. We encourage those who find strange concatenations among the variations of letters to write about their discoveries in the forum, so future generations may benefit from their research."
Text from website
>>51745285
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>>51744879
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>>51743771
These posts are all me, just to clear up any confusion. Good day to you guys. Hope you had fun talking to someone who isn't a robot...
anyhow...
back to the duality of nature
It really is all about fire and ice, the is and the is not. We're just stuck somewhere in between, trying to juggle both sides
>>51745078
Don't be so sure, the universe is just a placeholder for our current understanding.
>>51745368
out memed, sorry
>>51744777
>>51745424
Fuck off already. Only Jesus is real.
>>51745424
well yeah. we were made in gods image male and female. masculine and femininity. god made flowers but he also made killer sharks man. earth is like an inbetween of heaven and hell. we have our flesh animal instincts that cause us to sin and then our spirit that doesn't want to listen to our carnality... its an interesting mix,
Alright, I'm out thanks for the enlightening conversation everyone.
>>51744516
Just make your essay too long to search. Unless they pick a chunk out of it to check...
How the fuck is the image search so fast? How the fuck is all of this stored as the site claims? 10^4677 is probably more computer storage than exists.
>>51746342
Thank you anon
>>51746406
You're welcome, sempai.
sorry can someone explain/prove this isn't just a bullshit website that puts your search query in the middle of a bunch of random text?
>>51746562
there would be no technical way of explaining it if it was bullshit or not.
but the theory checks out
essentially if you have every combination of words forever, you're bound to get the exact chain of letters that resembles shakespeare's famous lines "to be or not to be"
if you had the raw computing power, you could develop a program to search for the pages in this library that contain actual English dialogue,or lines that contain something comprehensible and then you could essentially have every book that will ever be written by man, but the computing power is massive.
I don't know what else there is to get?
>>51746763
you could also just write a script so that when someone types in a search, you put it between a bunch of random characters, which seems a lot more plausible than "we're living in a library"
>>51746792
yeah it could be.
but the theory still checks out.
the only way to know if this was real or not is to go through every page and see if the pages marked on the search check out. like I said, if you had a program that checked for you, and spit back the first thing that was comprehensible, without searching it first, you would have your answer
faggot
>>51746562
>>51746792
JUST BELIEVE ANON
JUST BELIEVE
>>51746857
in fact you can easily debunk the site just by copying and pasting richard stallman's interjection into the search field and comparing with the pages from other anons in this thread who did the same lol.
>>51744730
okay but what if deduplication is used?
>>51744777
>tfw I read this to the tune of that song they made since I haven't seen the actual movie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4G8IlNYgws
>>51745445
jesus isn't real fuck off
>>51745486
what game?
>>51743771
>ogic packs it into neat bite sized increments that are easy for consumption
Are you dumb? Logic is man made.
To aliens, False is BLAFAVN STATE 4
>>51744384
>It does contain it all . everything Einstein wrote is in there, Plato anyone.. Pick someone's work copy it in and find its resting place.
>tfw the best guarded secrets of mankind - since its inception - are all stored there.
>tfw all of the secrets of the entire universe can found there.
all you have to do in order to figure it all out is enter the correct search terms.
damn, that borges short story really is quite awesome.
>>51748649
you really think your thoughts are original?
>>51748935
>>51746562
>>51746763
Pretty sure /sci/ can crack it with a few equations. 3200 characters is a ton if there's a way to put each of those in a specific location every time.
Like remember those elementary school math problems with like if you had 3 pairs of shirts, 3 pairs of pants, and 3 pairs of shoes, how many combos can you make? Since this site is only using lowercase letters, a space, period, and comma, that gives us 29 choices for each blank. With an assortment of 3200 character limit, then wouldn't there be 29^3200 possible combinations?
Please someone good at math help he here. I'm terrible at math.
>>51749082
And then that should give us 4.7*10^4679 total combinations or something. If someone feels like multiplying how many shelves/volume/book etc on the site, we should be able to easily determine if there's even that many characters on the site.
On another thought, if each character is a byte (or even a bit) of data, there should be no way for the site to even be able to store that much would there?
I'm talking out of my ass right now but it sounds smart so fuck you. Some math autist please help.
>>51744028
Reported. Back to Reddit.
>>51749082
>3 pairs of shoes, how many combos can you make?
A pair of shoes can be worn independently of each other, so you have nine shoe options alone.
It's just a fancy algorithm.
Nothing interesting.
>>51743407
>hur dur order and math must = bible and religion.
>>51749281
Anything that requires more than basic algebra to explain = God magic!
Aren't you familar with christfag logic by now?
>>51748649
>enter the correct search terms.
And those "search terms" are the secrets themselves.
I.E. you have to already know the secrets in order to search for them.
This site is nothing fancy at all.
is /g/ really dumb enough to fall for this shit
>>51748956
saved for my phone pape
>>51749801
The explanation of how it works is on the damn site.
>>51748649
You completely misunderstood the point of the story. The library is useless. There is no way to distinguish the true history of the next 100 years from all the false ones. There is no way to distinguish the true copies of Aristotle's lost books from the imposters. Having all the books is as good as having none of them.
>>51742937
As many Anon's have already pointed out, this 'library' is not actually that impressive if you think about it.
The purpose of a library is to have a short key to get a large amount of information.
Example: With the key 'Harry Potter' you can get a whole story.
With the Library of Babel your keys are roughly the same length as the pages you get with them; It's just a glorified encryption device.
Some things that would be equivalent:
-Generating a page by reversing the order of characters in the address: aaabba -> abbaaa
-Incrementing the corresponding number in base 27: a^3200 -> a^3199 b
-Caesar's Encryption: abcde -> bcdef
From a strictly mathematical standpoint, even the identity would be a valid equivalent, i.e. the content of the page equals the address.
If this was a site that outputs exactly what you type in, would it still be mind blowing?
After all, you can still find every truth and lie in existence if you only search for long enough.
Ultimately this is just a pile of cleverly disguised bullshit.
It's as if WinRar sold itself as a program that contains every single program in existence, you only need the right key to find it.
In reality the information was stored in the key all along.
>>51750695
You also miss the point. That you can only find what you already know to look for is a perfectly felicitous extension of Borges' short story. The digital library is just as useless as the hypothetical physical one, by virtue of its immense size. All the information you ever could want is contained therein, but it is impossible to locate, and if you could locate it, is impossible to identify amid innumerable misleading variations.
>>51750878
My point is that you can arbitrarily define a biijective function from any one 3200 letter page to any other 3200 letter page and it would be the same as the Library of Babel since you could always get any of the pages with the right input.
How long until something like this but for images, that we can search using sematic requests?
As in: 'obama riding a 50 feet black dreidel, while nuclear mushrooms rise into the air all around'
>>51751236
that is a logical fallacy in my opinion.
the thing is, that a biijective function would render itself inaccurate from the point on where you don't know the result anymore, because for every correct amount of pairs, there's an arbitrary number of wrong ones
>>51743099
>>51744999
dubtrips, fuck it I'm off to /x/, this is scary.
>>51751366
How would a biijective function be inaccurate? You can easily define a function that's perfectly accurate, it just wouldn't make sense to a human mind.
My whole point is that there are a fuckton of ways to generate all pages of an arbitrary length, many of which are trivial and/or nonsensical.
If you were to show these ways to someone they would hardly be amazed at them, yet if you pseudo-randomize the order of the pages and call it Library of Babel, people get all philosophical.
I don't understand what you're trying to tell me, since what you're telling me is already clear to me.
Is it related to my statement about the purpose of libraries?
I'm aware that to get a meaningful function you have to store information inside the function which is why libraries take up so much space.
>>51750695
i found your post in the library, i searched mmanually of course
>search a full sentence
>copy half the original sentence + nearby gibberish
>search this ^
>never find the other half of sentence next to the new search term
hmm
>>51751551
Pretty sure you're arguing with a high-school kid or something. Just ignore him.
>>51746921
this
Best site ever
>>51744279
it can't contain my password since it have uppercase letters
>>51750695
I don't think that is quite correct.
Say you had pages of only 1 character, so you have 27 pages total. How many bits do you need to uniquely identify them? 5 bits.
How about 2 chars? That's 27^2 = 729, identifiable in 9 bits.
So long as your function will generate the same page for the same input every time, you don't need to actually store the page. That's what the site is doing.
It's not an encryption device, it's a giant hash table but except instead of actually storing anything, it generates the page from the hash.
The other cool thing about the website is that it actually has a search function, assumably by matching a substring of the hash (considering there is a very large number of pages with each string, there is a high probability of a match despite it not actually being guaranteed to match any single page).
>>51752423
I think encryption might be a bad way to put it since it implies that the information is being hidden on purpose.
Mapping would probably be a better term.
Anyways, if you want to retrieve the same page every time, and you also want to be able to retrieve all possible pages, you will need at least one key per page.
Ideally this would mean that the number of keys is equal to the number of pages.
Therefore the information stored in the keys is equal to the information stored in the pages (they have the same length and alphabet).
If you interpret each 3200 character String as one symbol, you can map each input symbol (key) to an output symbol (page), at which point it would be a simple encoding where you switch out characters.
Hash functions work similiar to that, but they are not bijective.
Generally you will have multiple keys being mapped to the same page (Collisions, can be handled).
Therefore a normal hash function does not have a reverse function.
You can work around that by making sure there are no collisions in your function, at which point you will once again be mapping characters to one another.
woah, spooky shit OP
>>51753411
Nothing is being retrieved, the data is generated from the key.
>>51753577
Okay right, english is not my first language sry.
>>51745161
It's a short story by Borges, a famous author, not a mathematician. I want ignorant 13-year-olds to leave /g/.
>>51745389
I love how he presents a false dichotomy.
That if it was fake he'd have to store the text in perpetuity. In actual fact you wouldn't have to. If you know the answer you can store the question that generates this answer. However I'm almost completely convinced he's not even smart enough to pull that off. The bookmarks are minimised to a simple key. Entering an "invalid" bookmark reference takes you to the first book on the first shelf of the first room. So all bookmarks MUST be stored in his implementation. If the bookmarks are being stored that STRONGLY implies that the key for the index is so huge that it couldn't be passed in a URL and therefore must be stored to be referenced by a shortened URL.
Ergo the "key" contains your originating sufficiently mangled to always generate the same random books and this key is stored on the server.
Chances are even after a reddit storm you won't run out of disk space anyway since you are limited to 3200 characters so the idea that the "storage demands would make that impossible" is just scam artist misdirection.
tl;dr this is a cheap trick and not even close to an interesting implementation of a library of everything algorithm.
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