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ITT: placebo
>>51704557
How is this a placebo?
>>51704569
unlimited 4g LTE
>>51704623
I'm not sure what you mean. Sprint networks although getting better are actually slower than T-mobile networks. Both offer "unlimited" internet as well.
SSDs
>>51704666
No SSDs really do make computers faster. They should only be used as an OS partition though (64-128GB).
>>51704666
>things I cant afford
>placebo
>>51704806
lol, I keep pushing them even though I know they don't do jack shit. Makes me feel a little less upset I have to wait 3 minutes to walk the crosswalk.
>>51704720
Largely placebo, though.
>"It doesn't take two minutes to boot!"
I just picked up an XPS 8500 off Craigslist. Thing boots Windows 10 in 17 seconds from power on off a previous-gen Caviar Blue.
SSD is great for some things, like GIMP and Photoshop startup, but by and large there isn't much difference between a SSD and a properly defragged hard drive.
>>51704886
5-10 less seconds spent waiting is a pretty huge difference for me. I would never use an SSD for storage though, just for OS + a game or two. SSDs are really cheaper now too, a 120GB SSD is like $50 on amazon right now.
>>51704886
There are many programs that require transferring small files to and from ram like Photoshop that you mentioned. SSDs are better for reading more small 1-8 MB files faster.
SSDs by definition are not placebo if they can make many programs perform faster. Yeah the difference is small but it's still noticeable.
>>51704886
are you saying 17 seconds is good?
that sounds awful
ssds are one of the best things to come out in years
>>51704481
i can promise you, freesync nor gsync ain't placebo
i recommend it over 144hz panels
>>51704886
So, you're a poorfag who just browses the internet then?
If you can't use real world applications to say why it's bad you're a fucking dick.
>>51704481
>g-sync
>placebo
no
>>51704481
>itt 310 replies with no tech discussion
>>51705138
Fuck off tard
>>51704806
They actually work on late night hours.
>>51705139
No. You always want higher refresh rates. The best would be a 144 Hz panel with adaptive synchronisation in case your GPU drops below the optimal refresh rate.
>4K 144 Hz 1 ms IPS when
>>51704860
>>51704806
They do really work, if you don't press it the pedestrian light doesn't turn green. Try it next time you're going to cross the streets. I've got fucked over too much as I bike mostly and bike lanes around here are separated from pedestrian lane, but bikers have to use pedestrian lights, but the buttons aren't reachable from the bike lane so you either have to get off your bike, or you have to penguin walk to the button with your bike.
>>51705172
g-sync has better anti ghosting at the moment.. future advanced displays will combine both technologies with motion blur reduction methods and will ultimately make them objectively equal
right now both are viable options though, freesync especially if you don't want to pay an extra 70$ for the module
>>51704666
>>51705138
This is not true.
>get ssd
>install bf2 on it
>the first player to load map and the first player to take the f35b
>rape everyone else
>>51705221
you have unrealistic expectations dude
i prefer lower fps with better visuals than high fps in 720p, unless you talk about 980ti sli setup which no casual is willing to spend
>>51705190
>muh 2 sec fast boot up!
>>51704481
192KHz/24bit FLAC
>>51705285
with lower fps i mean, 50 to 75 fps
i used a 144hz monitor before and it is shit and a waste of ressources to want it to play the latest titles in >100 fps
>>51705298
You just mentioned a quantifiable benefit therefore it's not placebo. Also fuck off.
>>51705298
and this is a bad thing?
not to mention the other benefits
just accept that youre a c.uck with bad and wrong opinions
>>51704517
this
>>51705341
It's only quantifiable with a stopwatch, and isn't noticeable otherwise
>>51705350
>not to mention the other benefits
What? Like wearing out faster than normal hdds?
Running out of space faster?
Spending more money for less storage faster?
Those are the only "fast" things about ssds
>>51705298
>Launch your game/level
>take 1 min with the hdd
>take 15s with the ssd
>want a vhdl/c error compilation
>dual xeon
>128GB mem
>over 5000 command lines
>take 45 minute with hdd
>take 5 minute with the ssd
>>51704994
Who boots?
>>51705047
We're just pointing out that the benefits have been massively overstated since testimonials are monopolized by morons comparing their trashed installs with 100 startup items and 12 toolbars with a fresh Windows install on a SSD.
>>51705151
>posts 10 real world applications
>"I guess you do nothing but surf."
SSD doesn't get me more FPS on muh games. SSD doesn't get me more FPS on my encodes. Now, while I wouldn't mind having two PCI-E SSDs when I demux 10GB DTS-MA streams from 40GB Blu-rays, going between a 1TB/platter Seagate and a Caviar Black isn't too bad, and it's nothing compared to the encode times of the video.
Gaymen peripherals.
No, /v/, fuck off.
The worst of the memes, the mechanical keyboard
>>51705298
>faster boot up
>faster initial application loading times
>faster game loading times in certain games like battlefield 4 (also much reduced delay for loading up textures into RAM in certain games)
>faster file transfer and copy rates
>immediate file browsing
>no idle states which need a few seconds to be accessable again compared to HDD's for longer life expectancy
>>51705421
Fuck, I just ordered one. Have I been outmemed this time?
>>51705440
>spending $100+ on a fucking keyboard
>>51705440
you must be new here
>>51705298
>SSD are only for the OS boot up and not the application or games
64GB SSD poorfag detected
>>51705440
No dude you haven't, it will be different at first, but after a week or two you'll be feeling sick when using any other keyboard.
>>51705318
Above 44.1kHz 16bit in listening is nothing but placebo IF you claim to hear a difference. Lossless vs lossy depends on the bitrate and encoder used.
"FLAC is placebo" is a retarded blanket statement. Sure it doesn't sound better than a properly encoded lossy file but it's still a lossless format retaining all the information of the original. It has its uses.
>>51705393
>It's only quantifiable with a stopwatch, and isn't noticeable otherwise
Literally retarded. There is a massive difference in whatever read/write you are doing on the SSD compared to your standard HDD. I refuse to believe anyone on /g/ is stupid enough to think SSDs are somehow "placebo". Loading anything, copying anything, installing anything, booting into the OS, running large programs/games or whatever is considerably faster on an SSD. Fuck off already.
>>51705431
>spinning down a HDD
This is why we're laughing at you. You shill SSDs because you don't know how to computer.
>>51705329
Is this really what poorfags tell themselves? Jesus christ get a job.
>>51704481
>gsync is placebo
>>51705440
yes
you will not notice any enjoyable benefits from a memeboard
>>51705483
>not wanting to spin down your hdd because of noise and heat generation when not using it for hours
do you even silent bro?
>>51705485
1. i have a job
2. your reasoning is stupid as fuck, like i said i owned a 144hz monitor and the reason to keep it is next to non when you can have a 75hz freesync monitor which plays smoother with the same GPU
it's not about having money to buy a 980ti sli setup, it's about having a girlfriend...
>>51705285
>720p
wait, wat? this is a thing? wouldnt it be all blocky and bad?
>>51705474
>"FLAC is placebo" is a retarded blanket statement. Sure it doesn't sound better than a properly encoded lossy file but it's still a lossless format retaining all the information of the original. It has its uses.
It's still a placebo format for listening to music. Sure it's a good solution for archiving sounds/music compared to uncompressed WAV but using FLAC instead of 192 vbr Opus will give literally 0 audible improvement.
We call it placebo because people are literally claiming FLAC sounds better than 192 bvr Opus.
>>51705552
my reasoning was about, which gpu setup is able to play a top title at above 100 fps on max settings and who would actually find so much reasoning in it to afford that when you can have a good gaming experience with 60 to 75hz monitors, more desirably freesync enabled.
>>51705474
I don't want restart the debate but ogg/opus with a very high bitrate is almost like a WAV/FLAC. Lossless is only for archive.
>>51705172
>blind test
>toms hardware
Kek'd
But yeah, I used a friend's freesync monitor the other day, and holy balls, it was rilly gud
>>51705534
>do you even silent bro?
Perhaps you should learn not to screw a hard drive onto a sounding board.
I'm running 3 hard drives and I can't hear any of them.
>>51705579
is freesync locked into AMD? becasue i think g-sync is right? Im in the market for a 1440p with the 144hz. I juts want to get max fps you know, more than 60
>>51705633
>40 gamers
>in a convention
>not a good test
>>51705578
>we
Fuck you. "We" don't. FLAC is a fantastic format and not placebo. It's only placebo for if you claim to hear a difference between a properly encoded lossy file and a lossless one. FLAC still does exactly what it's supposed to do; compress a lossless file while keeping all the information intact. "FLAC is placebo" is literally just baiting.
I listen to FLAC because there's no reason for me to encode these files into a lossy formats for local listening. The reason why I have my library in FLAC is because I want to avoid shitty transcodes and I want to encode into lossy formats I choose for my phone for listening on the go.
>>51705594
Yes exactly what I said there.
>ogg/opus with a very high bitrate is almost like a WAV/FLAC
It sounds _exactly_ like the lossless file. It is transparent once you crank up the bitrate high enough. "Very high bitrate". Yeah for Opus that's 160 kbps. For Vorbis that's about 192kbps.
>>51705578
vbr Opus*
>>51705440
Yeah, pretty much. I spent $80 on a /g/ recommended mechanical, and another $15 on nice keycaps, and I miss my wireless membrane keyboard in alot of cases tbph. I only use the mech because it cost so much, and it looks kind of nice.
Having a volume control roller is pretty ballin, though. I'd miss that.
>>51705705
I found the autist.
>>51705636
freesync is the marketing label from amd for adaptive sync enabled monitor support.
intel is actually joining freesync in the next arch of iGPU's and nvidia is probably still denying open standards till then
you are old enough to make your own choices. i went from a 1ms 144hz 24" 1080p panel to 5ms 75hz 29" 21:9 1080p freesync enabled panel and it gave me much more advantage in every single game in terms of fluidity.. gta 5 runs like a charm on 45 fps with all settings max except some shadow distance on my r9 290
>>51705634
well i have them on dampening rings but i can hear it rattle and click everytime i open the file browser.. this is since i installed windows 10 which probably is a cause of the integrated search index which makes the hdd active everytime i want to browse something. i might switch to a m.2 ssd only pc when arctic islands arrives anyway for a ultra compact mini itx gaming computer
>>51705705
>It sounds _exactly_ like the lossless file. It is transparent once you crank up the bitrate high enough. "Very high bitrate". Yeah for Opus that's 160 kbps. For Vorbis that's about 192kbps.
agree
>>51705730
Why?
>>51705758
*45 min fps
>>51705698
implying real goymers leave the house.
shit test/10
>>51705705
I'm sorry but I stand by tripfag, flac is placebo no matter which way you look at it. If flac were NOT a placebo then someone would have scientifically proved that flac sounds better than a lossy codec with a very high bitrate.
Point is having a 1TB library of flac rips vs 200GB of opus would literally make no difference to a listening experience. Thus making flac a placebo.
No professional even uses FLAC, they use WAV so they can load tracks faster. FLAC has no other use than bloating encodes (looking at you coalgirls).
When will we be able to have 1hz refresh rates?
>>51705787
Because he's claiming flac is NOT a placebo. It is. Using flac over opus will literally give you 0 benefits. In fact all it will do is just take up more hard drive space. That's about it.
It's autistic niggers like him that keep shitty groups like coalgirls alive.
>>51705877
when oled hits the monitor market
>>51705837
>after TPU, guru3d, anandtech now tomshardware shill nvidia
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-freesync-versus-nvidia-g-sync-reader-event,4246.html
Please
>>51705908
Why hasn't it?
>>51705139
once you go 144Hz there is virtually no tearing. Gsync is pointless technology.
>>51705254
People still play bf2? I miss that game.
>>51705913
>tiny sample size
>testers were asked to sign up weeks in advance
>testers knew exactly what they were signing up for
>half the testers admit to being fanboys
>badly controlled test environment
>comparing different priced products
>>51705841
You are just entirely missing the point of lossless compression. The point of that is not to sound (or look in terms of images) better than lossless original file. The point is to retain every single piece of information of that original file which can then be transcoded to whatever lossy format with minimal loss in fidelity.
>library example
Yeah if that person only used those files for listening purposes AND claimed FLAC would sound better than the lossy files, FLAC would be "placebo" in that case. Now if he did something with the files like encoded them into lossy formats or just wanted to have a library of lossless files without worrying about generational loss inherently caused by lossy encoders(audible or not), there's a valid reason for using a compressed lossy format.
WAV is used for compatibility reasons and because it supports higher bit depths than FLAC which are beneficial in editing music.
The only problem with FLAC is all the misinformation and misconceptions surrounding it. It's an excellent format.
>>51705921
because oled has high yield rate on large applications
either a 250$ 5" oled phone display or a 4000$ 50" oled tv
igzo is also expensive as fuck at the moment and quantum dot is currently a thing at philips but it has the usual ips specifications, just look on google
>>51705950
let me tell you why you're wrong: a game is not always in a constang fps rate. there are ups and downs and if you have the monitor set
at a constant speed, the game speed will affect the monitor in a bad way and will artifact with tearing which is still visible on 144hz monitor, you can see it best when driving super
cars in gta 5 and watching the street posts flying by and jumping forth and back everytime. gsync/freesync disables this with showing you
only the real frame where a 144hz monitor is trying its best to show the current frame which your gpu drops but this delays it either a splitframe/milliseconds forth or beyond
so it ultimately will never be smooth, unless you have a constant rate of 144fps in the game which is in direct sync to the monitor
i hope you understand a bit what i mean
>>51705254
>tfw bf4 has ssd protection
>>51704623
They say speeds are reduced right after 1gb in the commercial, are you autistic
>>51706067
what do you mean by ssd protection? the fact that the gameserver won't start in most cases with the first player joining?
>>51706061
i mean, low yield rate, obviously
>>51705950
>virtually no tearing
false. i could still see tearing at 144hz and you're fucking stupid for defending "virtually no tearing". and yes that was without vsync enabled, gsync works along side vsync at high framerates to lower the input lag vsync introduces..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzHxhjcE0eQ
>>51706035
>50 people
>tiny sample size
>half the testers admit to being fanboys
What is a blind test? How they know if it's the non sync screen or not. How they can know if it's the 970/390x?? Please elaborate?
>comparing different priced products
-Acer XB270HU FREEsync
-800$
-Asus MG279Q g-sync
-600$
-GTX 970 is slower than the 390x
>>51706035
Blind test retarded
>>51706061
At 144Hz the differences between gsync on and gsync off are so minute that you have to compare it side by side to even notice. It's a placebo.
>>51706167
>Linus Techtips
>Windows 10
opinion discarded
>>51706262
it's not about having the advantage, it's about not having to pay such a high price for a 144hz monitor in order to get smoothened frames with lesser hardware requirements, which in my beliefs is no placebo at all
>>51706138
Yeah it waits like 15seconds after the first player connects i think, so you still gotta mash click on the jet faster than everyone else when the timer finishes.
>>51705490
Tom's hardware is pretty much completely bought out by nvidia anyways faggot.
>>51706262
stop giving people bad advice just because you have a shitty non adaptive/gsync monitor. you can and will still see tearing at 144hz and only adaptive/gsync monitor owners have a way of dealing with it without the downsides of vsync.
>>51706173
the Acer is the gsync and the Asus is the freesync.
Fuck off with your misinformed shilling.
>>51706294
144Hz monitors are a lot cheaper than 144Hz gsync monitors.
>>51706334
read this
>>51706173
>>51705913
Thank you for that.
>>51706354
>muh typo
>blind test
>shilling
Jesus, it's not even close
>>51706045
>You are just entirely missing the point of lossless compression. The point of that is not to sound (or look in terms of images) better than lossless original file. The point is to retain every single piece of information of that original file which can then be transcoded to whatever lossy format with minimal loss in fidelity.
Which is completely pointless and only take up unnecessary hard drive space. Lossless audio files are only good for using in studios not for home use. Just encode to a high bitrate using a lossy codec and call it a day. No need to use placebo flac and clutter up hard drive space.
>>library example
>Yeah if that person only used those files for listening purposes AND claimed FLAC would sound better than the lossy files, FLAC would be "placebo" in that case.
You just described 99.99% of audiophiles.
>WAV is used for compatibility reasons and because it supports higher bit depths than FLAC which are beneficial in editing music.
Thus making FLAC extremely pointless for any use.
>The only problem with FLAC is all the misinformation and misconceptions surrounding it. It's an excellent format.
It's shit and has only made encodes bloated as fuck. Instead of 2 Mbps 720p + 192 kbps Opus animu we have coalgirls making 1 Mbps 720p +1.5 Mbps FLAC animu that looks like shit and has placebo audio in it.
>>51705440
Don't worry all the membrane keks think mechanical keyboards suck because they can't afford them.
>>51706348
;-)
>>51705172
>Tom's Hardware
Nvidia paid site.
>>51704886
>properly defragged hard drive
>using windows
>>51704481
>>51706401
>can only use adaptive sync up to 95hz
still cuc ked desu senpai.
>>51706390
>18% of participants admitted they knew which system was which
>blind test
>>51705431
You forgot silent, which is a major plus for a lot of people.
>>51704481
G-sync and SSD arn't meme placebo faggot
>>51706313
well it okay'ish in my opinion, if you have a fast internet connection and click superfast, chances are 70% to achieve your goal because by then only like 10 people joined by then out of 64 in my experience
>>51706334
the comparison is unfair anyway. the monitors have to each their own very different display types and calibration profiles, color accuracy and not to mention different vendors they were produced from so quality check it also a thing inbetween
>>51706354
yeah which all are TN
>>51706537
damn how could i forgot that, not to mention slim profile
>>51705454
i think you are the new guy
>>51706943
mechnical keyboard "meme'ing" is ongoing on /g/ since 2009, since i joined /g/..
this is also one of the reasons why mechanical switches found their way into the gaming industry as professional players got more demanding in the reliability of their equipment because 4chan is not the only sekret klub to discuss about niche things
>>51705440
$5 keyboard & gaymen mouse master-race
>>51705440
No, you haven't been outmemed this time
There are certain memes like the SSD meme, the mechanical keyboard meme and the Hyper 212 evo meme where everyone wants you to believe its shit but in reality its like fucking heaven. Thats how gud it is.
>>51705440
Yes and no?
I used my mech and my regular keyboard at work, on days where I was doing a lot of typing. With the mech i had less errors and my hands didn't feel as fatigued.
>>51705578
I can tell FLAC from audio, you people must not listen the music at above loq volume?
>>51707811
Do an ABX test between 192 vbr complexity 10 Opus and FLAC. Post results.
>>51705440
Mechanical keyboards feel nice and all, but $100 just for the nice, clicky feedback when you press a key is not worth it at all.
>>51704666
Have you ever done any partitioning on an SSD? It's heavenly.
Harddisk: move or copy 10GB partition somewhere else, it fucking takes forever. SSD: move a 50GB partition, done in 2 minutes.
Gsync and 144hz are placebo.
Here's my 144hz gsync monitor.
>>51708493
Nice backlight bleed
>>51708493
>acer
kill yourself
>>51708522
heres samshit anon
>>51708493
nice monitor, but what cards do you have you need gsync to solv4e the problem?
I have 2x970 on 144 and hit under maxed out. if i drop my settings low enough to get 144 the vsync useage doesnt effect performance
inb4 4gb, hits 970 hits higher than 980ti at 1080
>>51708593
This one anon
>>51708593
SLI hits higher than 980ti at 1080
>>51708510
>curved monitor
>"nice backlight bleed, it's totally not the cameras fault and CAN only resemble the way you would see it in real life"
>>51708611
my friend has 980ti, he has the same monitor as me, and doesn't hit my max fps, although i don't meet his lowest
so unless you get another, sell your gsync and get one without
>>51704557
So awful in Vegas.
>>51705826
Those are power cables? Wow.
>>51705467
that doesn't make mech keyboards better than other ones
>>51709085
shut up poorfag
>>51709085
They are though. Only reason i haven't got one for work is cause the typing would piss everyone off, we're close together. Far superior to anything else I've used. Unless you've got something else unfounded to say or a better suggestion?
>>51708933
