Another attack adverted with info gained using mass surveillance :^)
>>51691206
>averted*
America isn't a democracy. In a democracy people would have had a national referendum on whether or not tuns should be allowed.
The only attacks that are prevented are the ones that might pose a threat to the very lucrative business of corrupt security theater. Attacks on the disabled do not register on a system of this scale.
>>51691228
To be fair, it was probably advertised with info gained using mass surveillance too.
>>51691250
*tuns GUNS
>>51691250
Correct, we are a republic.
>no clear motive
Allah only knows what they were thinking ;)
>>51691250
How do you reconcile your view with the fact that this shooting happened in one of the states with the tightest gun control?
>>51691288
The guns were legally bought and owned. All guns should be banned. Australia did it and their murder rate plummeted.
>>51691288
"Tight gun control" measured by Burgerfat standards is meaningless.
>known to associate with "radicals"
>openly posts on facebook about pledging allegiance to ISIS
>suspicious behavior all over
>FBI/NSA didn't do a single thing to prevent the attack
Know what the outcome will be? Politicians will say they need MORE surveillance since the system doesn't work.
>>51691250
And then theres this statist faggot
>>51691250
Nice red herring faggot. Mass shootings are caused buy Muslims and autistic kiddos. Crack down on those.
>>51691325
>>51691329
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>51691325
There's too many guns already in underground circulation. This discussion doesn't belong on /g/.
>>51691250
as if democracy is any use. If it oppresses others, then it's just as worthless as a totalitarian dictatorship.
Somehow I doubt a referendum to nullify the second amendment would pass.
>>51691325
In a direct democracy gays still wouldn't be allowed to marry. Blacks would probably still be slaves too. This is why the US has the bill of rights. It doesn't change depending upon mood swings when its your time of the month.
>>51691288
patchwork gun control is like fireproofing your sofa, your shower curtains, and your dining room table. the house is still going to burn down.
Sure feels good to be in a sate with sane laws.
Fuck you gun control liberals.
Criminals will always get guns if they want them bad enough despite laws. And I'd rather be shot than stabbed to death tbqh.
>>51691411
>>51691250
Just a reminder that this one cop armed with a glock probably saved the lives of a few dozen people.
>The attackers shot a Garland Independent School District (ISD) security officer in the ankle.[4] Shortly after the attackers pulled up and opened fire, both were shot and killed by a police officer.[5]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Culwell_Center_attack
>>51691436
Now show the one with stabbings by the same source.
>>51691436
Correlation != Causation
What that graph conveniently leaves out is the general decline in violent crime that's been happening for the past few decades.
>>51691436
>comparing an island with a low number of already existing firearms to the fucking US OF A
Get out, you fucking roo.
>>51691357
This is the problem, gun laws have been too free for too long, there's no way to track all the guns that have been sold so even if you try to implement laws to restrict the sale and ownership you would be relying on honesty to get people to hand them in or register them, which isn't going to happen.
All it would do is add another charge when the person commits a felony.
>>51691436
Can I see the previous 50 years?
>>51691411
Gun control isn't just for liberals. If you want to keep your guns, you have to maintain control over the idiots in DC and abroad.
>>51691470
>in DC and abroad.
Liberals you mean?
>>51691450
It would have to be re-scaled because it's like 30 deaths a year, and it increased to like 40
Oh noes 10 extra stabbings per year in exchange for no more 300-victim mass shootings!
>>51691391
>>51691368
If America's not a democracy, stop pretending it is and stop trying to force it on other countries.
>The US is an oligarchy, study concludes
Report by researchers from Princeton and Northwestern universities suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10769041/The-US-is-an-oligarchy-study-concludes.html
>Study: US is an oligarchy, not a democracy
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
>>51691250
>>51691436
t. Alberto Barbosa
>>51691206
>using the smiley with a carat nose
Don't the Switzerland and Finland have pretty lax gun laws?
>>51691436
But how many yearly glassing are there?
>>51691497
OMG, no more federal funding for the Princeton and NW university fags. I can't believe they cut their funding like that... oh wait you linked to a .uk article. That makes sense.
>>51691250
All this rag is doing is giving Wayne LePierre a payday from a slam dunk defamation suit.
>>51691518
Yes, every mountain jew of military age keeps a full automatic riffle in his home.
>>51691497
>suggests that US political system serves special interest organisations, instead of voters
my sides
how is this news
>>51691438
Nobody suggested police shouldn't have guns. The reason why police are looking more and more like military is because people have more and more guns. America is literally a war zone with nobody feeling safe but nobody wants to fix the problem.
>>51691557
>Nobody feels safe
Including criminals
Are you implying criminals aren't people anon?
>>51691552
It's not news. People just refuse to accept that the NRA Fox News propaganda they've been fed all their lives has only been making the gun shellers lobby rich.
>>51691436
Homicide's been dropping everywhere since the 90s, including the US. This has nothing to do with guns.
>>51691582
The majority of people killed by guns aren't criminals.
>>51691557
>Nobody suggested police shouldn't have guns.
>>51691557
>people have more and more guns
literally doesn't matter if a single person has a 100 guns, they only have 2 hands
also violent crime (and gun crime) are going down, in spite of the trend of rising gun ownership
this country was literally twice as dangerous 20 years ago
the narrative that the streets are getting more dangerous, for anyone, is a complete myth
Mass surveillance is actually part of the problem. They collect so much information it isn't possible to sort through it all.
They're wasting resources processing cat pictures on imgur and soccer moms gossiping that can't focus on the terrorists.
>>51691591
shut up faggot
>>51691557
America is quickly becoming the second round of what happened in Germany 1940s style. You are being deceived.
>>51691594
FBI's report on gang crime says otherwise.
>>51691497
It's a representative democracy, and I don't even think about other countries. I'm sorry if our freedom has rattled your bones.
>>51691591
Lets also not forget the rifles used in this attack are not only not assault rifles as claimed but can be legally acquired in countries with stricter gun control like Canada, Norway, and Finland
>>51691325
>All guns should be banned. Australia did it and their murder rate plummeted.
Actually we have a higher rate of homicide by gun now and the head of police in queensland made a public statement saying we have a gun crisis worse than pre-prohibition now.
Whats happened is all the criminals have guns now obv.
>>51691611
LIES. Majority of gun deaths are suicides.
>>51691591
What happened in the 90s other than the Gulf War?
Oh I see, foreign wars result in fewer homicides.
>>51691622
Your freedom has eroded to the point of being laughable. The only reason you don't notice is because of free shit from China that you buy with your devalued dollar and because of the free oil from all the warfare that is heating your home. When the tides turn, we are going to be fucked.
>>51691636
you'd rather they hang themself or something else much worse than a much quicker death by guns then?
Such a humanitarian.
>>51691627
You aren't allowed to own a fucking AR in Finland.
source: I'm from Finland u fucking idiot
>highest gun deaths of any developed country
>normal
You faggots are the reason NSA wins all the time. Muh guns, muh freedom. It's like they allow you to enjoy your pacifier and suck on that gun while they fuck you raw in the ass more and more.
>>51691654
Except you are wrong, go volunteer here: http://www.mpkry.fi/
Grats you can now legally purchase an AR-15.
>>51691638
The most prevalent theory for the US is the drop in violent crimes begins approximately 18 years after roe v wade (abortion legalized), so a lot of people being born into shit situations where crime is normal have been eliminated; along with the rise of computer networks and information systems for law enforcement.
>>51691206
the data is there
we just lack the dr. houses and poirots capable of analyzing it correctly
c'mon machine learning detectives! we can live in minority report and avoid tragedies
>>51691674
>remove niggers (~10% of population)
>crime drops 50%
>safest country in the world
>>51691557
>The reason why police are looking more and more like military is because people have more and more guns.
Nonsense. That's happening because the military has a bunch of leftover old equipment they need to get rid of. Regardless a cop with a fucking glock is not military armed. He's a civilian just like any other person. It's not hard to legally lug around a glock in Texas.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hyQDQPEsrs
>>51691675
>http://www.mpkry.fi/
Nobody in Finland walks around with guns in the steeets. It is illegal to shoot someone attacking you or breaking into your house with a gun. Stop trying to sound edgy faggot.
Official now... News flash! The WH is claiming that this attack was the work of ISIS. I guess that is the new scapegoat for anything. I'm sure it will change in a couple of months.
>>51691645
>When the tides turn, we are going to be fucked.
This is why the right to bear arms is more important than a mountain of dead babies.
>>51691723
>muslims stockpile weapons, ammunition, commits mass shooting and profess support for ISIS on social media
>IT WASN'T ISIS
loving every laugh
>>51691723
Doesn't change the fact that the guns were bought legally and that no surveillance in the world could have stopped a faggot from shooting up his work party.
>>51691716
I never said you could, I said you could own these same guns legally. You were proven wrong so you are now moving goal posts. I also would never defend some retard running down a public street shouldering a rifle.
>>51691676
I like my theory better because it matches with the 1938/9 to 1961/2 decline which covers America's involvement in WW2, Korea and part of Vietnam before the public started getting really opposed to it.
Foreign wars to fight keeps people from killing their fellow citizens.
America was barely in WW1 for 5 minutes before it ended so I'm not surprised that there wasn't any decline there.
>>51691716
>It is illegal to shoot someone attacking you or breaking into your house with a gun.
I literally do not comprehend how a free society can deny you the right of self-defense
>>51691731
I didn't say that. The right to bear arms is just as important as mitigating a mountain of dead babies. In Fact, they are almost one and the same. The whole point being that no persons life should be endangered by others who think that they are disposable.
>>51691676
>so a lot of people being born into shit situations where crime is normal have been eliminated
Blacks, you mean.
>>51691755
>you need a gun to defend yourself
Maybe in America.
>>51691762
>no persons life should be endangered by others who think that they are disposable.
When are we going to ban cars? Or raise the driving age at least?
>>51691749
Nonsense, it's because baby boomers were a bunch of violent lead-poisoned retards hence the spike in crime in the 60s. As they got older, things settled down and now they are dying off.
Zizek thinks the occasional shooting the is the price of our freedom.
Every country has their difficulties. We don't have dictators, mass corruption, environmental abuse, worker abuse... a million immigrants moving in for welfare... etc. We have shootings, though. That is our struggle.
Where is the perfect society we are comparing ourselves to?
>>51691766
>you should be masterfully trained in hand to hand combat and be immediately outgunned because criminals don't obey laws
Sounds good, you silly little kek.
>>51691766
it's completely irrelevant whether you're likely to need to do it or not. Only a tyrannical state would arrest you for defending your own life and home. That's a basic human right. You have it inherently, it's not something a benevolent government grants to you. Governments lack the moral right to take that right away from you.
Guns aren't the problem. Fucking Americans are.
Borderline retarded general population, mass poverty with areas that make the Algerian quarters in France look like happy places, TV still being one of the most influential media outlets, large-scale brainwashing, being able to show false news without any ramifications, corporations fucking everything up in the name of capitalism, home grown terrorists, radicals from all sorts of sects, police brutality, destroying other countries either by coups or full-blown war and as such creating more radicals.
Basically an aristocratic nation with all the ruling families investing into military, because God knows that's the only thing that can keep the US' global hegemony going. Not ingenuity or the 'American exceptionalism' meme.
>>51691766
Denying people access to basic tools of self defense like guns puts weaker men and women at a disadvantage against potential attackers. That is fundamentally unjust.
>>51691762
>In Fact, they are almost one and the same.
They are not. You're the one attempting to erode freedom. Get fucked.
>>51691794
But that doesn't account for why it was increasing early in the century from before America's involvement in WW1 to the late 30s.
>>51691778
Fuck off. I'm trying to say that you can drive like a maniac and shoot guns all day long if you like. If your *purpose* is to dispose of someone else's life, that is when you need to be stopped.
>>51691807
Because of the Roaring 20s.
>>51691801
Americans aren't the problem. African-Americans are.
Take a look at the FBI's crime stats sometimes.
>>51691803
If you also deny potential attackers access to guns then they remain on even ground.
>your potential attacker may be armed with a pistol so you should also buy a pistol
>your potential attacker may be armed with a rifle so you should also buy a rifle
>your potential attacker may be armed with an assault rifle so you should also buy an assault rifle
>your potential attacker may be armed with an rpg so you should also buy an rpg
Where does it end?
>>51691739
Mean while America and western countries in general have terrorized middle East since the 50s to get oil price where they want it, overthrown legitimate governments that were good because they didn't want to lick yer boots, and now you've retaliated (LEL what a word to use in this context) by bombing civil segments in Syria in response to couple ragheads blowing themselves up in France.
it's extremely cheap price for dat dere cheap oil tho
>>51691816
Well, no shit. It's legal to defend yourself from anyone threatening your life or others lives, and cops will shoot to kill if you're waving a gun around threatening to kill other people.
What's your point?
I like this thread. I don't have a lot to add, though...
perhaps the facts that the US is one of the most unequal countries in the world, that it has the highest (as a % of the general population) imprisoned population, that is has a looooong story of intervening and destroying other countries, training terrorists, lying, cheating, stealing...
I agree, the US govt. is dangerous. the US people enable it. and techies, like those who come to /g/, make this surveillance a possibility.
>>51691352
then prepare your anus, /g/tard
>>51691281
allah and your god are one and the same thing.
>>51691827
African Americans lead in petty crimes, white Americans run billion dollar scams and go on killing sprees killing more people than a nigga could event count.
>liberals pushing their agenda before the bodies are even cold
>>51691845
The vast majority of mass shootings in the US are committed by black gangs.
>>51691829
You're not on even ground if they're 6'6 280lb and you're 5'9 170.
Even then, if they're the attacker, fuck the even ground, my number one priority is my own safety and I'll take whatever route has the best chance of that.
>>51691794
>Only a tyrannical state would arrest you for defending your own life and home.
have you tried defending your property against the US govt? have you seen what happens to those who do?
TOP KEK
>>51691829
>If you also deny potential attackers access to guns then they remain on even ground.
That's not how it works in reality. Guns are easy as fuck to get both legally and illegally. If someone wants a gun, they'll get it.
Also a person with a pistol can easily kill someone with a rifle. Life isn't an RPG; it's a matter of who shoots first.
>>51691829
In a rubber room based on your ideology. I guess that's what real freedom is according to libs.
>>51691861
That rancher dude won not too long ago.
>>51691861
>>have you tried defending your property against the US govt? have you seen what happens to those who do?
Yeah, they win. See: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq...
>>51691842
Cops will kill anyone if they have that whim at that moment when they need some paid vacation you fag.
>>51691206
>woke up today
>didn't get shot
Whew, lucky not to be born american.
>>51691755
>I literally do not comprehend how a free society can deny you the right of self-defense
You can defend yourself but not with a gun. Our free society is actually truly free. We have free health care, free education even at university and it's the best system in the world.
We are so free we don't have just 2 political parties who basically say and do the same shit and work for the same corporations. We have REAL DEMOCRACY. We also have what America used to have when you were at your peak in the 50's, high taxes for the rich and corporations that pay for everything. Asa result of this system, crime is almost non existent because nobody needs to steal to survive because the government fives welfare to the poor and pays their rent. It's a prerty good system. And before you talk about us being homogenous/white etc, Helsinki our capital has a large immigrant population and recently someone did a test where they dropped a wallet in different cities in the world and Helsinki was the most honest. 11/12 wallets were returned.
>>51691841
Every country with any amount of power exerts it in order to benefit their nation, to do otherwise is to be an international kekold.
>>51691884
Chill out man, I didn't say cops ONLY shoot to kill if you're a threat.
Your butthurt is fucking palpable.
>>51691884
They have to really hate you to do so. Even if they get away with it there is massive amounts of paperwork if you shoot someone. Who would want more work for no extra pay?
>>51691888
>freedom means the government gives me shit
>>51691876
>>51691877
want me to post gore videos of SWAT teams entering houses?
again, have YOU tried defending your home against your militarized police?
you guys are funny, you are constantly in denial, but prefer to ignore what other people tell you. are you mentally/emotionally broken or something?
>>51691325
Actually I'm an Aussie and I can tell you that neither the murder rate nor the gun homicide rate went down at all as a result of the buyback or ban.
You can check with the national bureau of statistics on that one.
Funny how Americans always love to quote Australia as if it's some huge success, we never had huge amounts of gun crime in the first place...
What is this shitty thread doing on a technology board?
>>51691325
But their retard rate nearly double judging from this post right here.
>>51691860
It's not fair on your attacker if you're 6'6 280lb and they're 5'9 170.
Clearly they need a better gun.
>>51691901
inb4 anarcho-capitalism meme
Playground economics coming up....
>>51691888
>mfw an amerifat keks about free society while having to defend his 'freedom' with never ending amounts of guns
>so free he has to sleep next to a rifle because he's afraid that he might get shot
the keks never stop
>>51691335
Neighbours didn't report suspicious activity because they didn't want to appear islamophobic.
>>51691794
>"tyranny "
Republicunts need to learn what this word actually fucking means
It's not "stuff I disagree with"
>>51691901
Government's purpose is to serve it's people
I guess Americna wouldn't know that, you serve the state of Israeli.
>Saudi's bomb you in 2001.
>You attack goat herders in Afghanistan
FUCKING LOL
>>51691907
What the hell are you talking about? With the right tactics, equipment, and numbers, you can put up a decent fight against military organizations. Just look at the various terrorists groups that exist right now.
>>51691888
Finland sounds really nice anon. I hope the US fags learn something from your post, but I doubt it. We have to deal with non-humans like people who don't pay taxes, people who don't have jobs, people who don't have educations, people who are too dumb to wipe their own ass. On top of that, we still have to pay most of our income to the Fed reserve, Lockeed Martin, etc. You guys are setting a standard for real freedom. I salute you.
>>51691908
Yeah, want an example of when a nutbag gets a gun and takes hostages in Australia?
>monis sydney siege
>total casualties 1
>1 was shot ricocheting police bullets
Gun control works though faget.
>>51691888
>there is literally someone alive right now who believes your bait
I cry every time. There is no true freedom in the modern world.
>>51691206
Nope, it was just staged as fuck, you know when they make drills days before it actually happened, like it happened on Boston, Sandy Hook, etc
http://www.vvng.com/vvc-alerts-public-to-upcoming-active-shooter-training/
>>51691927
A government's purpose is to preserve the freedom of it's people, not redistribute wealth.
BOW DOWN FACE MECCA NOW FILTHY AMERICANS
>>51691888
>Amerikuks BTFO
>>51691913
It is the case that if that's your conception of freedom, the government giving you benefits, that government can do whatever the hell it wants to you. You're completely dependent on it.
>>51691915
Are you afraid of rifles? What's wrong with sleeping with one next to your bed?
>>51691907
What is your argument here? You're more free in prison than dead?
Why are left wing people so against guns? It's never made any sense to me. I agree with higher taxes on corporations, government payed healthcare and education, but I support gun rights and always will.
>>51691935
Why do you chalk that that up to gun control?
The guy had a gun, the guy could have shot all the hostages. At that stage gun control does nothing...
I watched the live feed from 3 stations while it was happening, IMO the police's breech and the nutter's lack of resolve were what kept the casualties low.
>>51691912
They're the attacker though. They're in the wrong and it's not self defense if they shoot you for defending yourself.
>>51691847
i gotta admit. i'm a bit amazed how edgy i was in terms that i never really saw first responders as being in danger when doing their job.
i honestly say i will get the fuck out. maybe if i was trained with firearm, etc. i would think twice.
>>51691932
>being this deluded
ok m8
btw, did you see the pic in the OP? did you see the holes in that car? that's how you end up after being shot to death
>>51691959
you know my argument very well
you guys are in DENIAL
>>51691955
>are you afraid of rifles
No, but I don't need to sleep next to one because guns aren't common and illegal to own. Also people don't go gun massacre because it's hard as fuck to get a handgun let alone an assault rifle so I can walk into any kindergarten or school and feel safe that some kissless virgin won't go beta uprising on me.
>>51691964
That's exactly what I just said, learn to read.
>>51691953
We actually have democracy and our government serves the people. If the people democratically decide that the collective takes some burden off of, I dunno, students then so be it.
The whole mindset of the individual and the government being adversaries is some Ameritard melancholy. Ironic, really. The nation calling for freedom because of government overreach has lost its control over its government.
>>51691962
>the guy had a gun
He had a (1) shot gun not some automatic assault rifle collection with 30 handguns in open carry mode.
He got one shot off before police handed him is cunt and sent him back to allah you stupid fuck.
>>51691706
Educate yourselves
I'd love to see counterpoints to this.
Disappointed in the lack of replies to it.
Fucking get to it.
>>51691888
>be Finnish
>spend the entirety of the cold war economically and politically gangbanged by NATO and the Warsaw pact under an effective dictator who remained in power for decades
>spend the entirety of the post-cold war being economically and politically gangbanged by NATO and Russia's beta orbitals under an effective EU/US dictatorship who will remain in power for eternity
>>51691982
>I don't need
Who said anything about needing?
It's my rifle and my house, if I want to keep it in a cabinet, put it on display, or sleep next to it, why should it matter?
You're far more likely to get hit and killed by a drunk teenager who swerves out of his lane on the road than killed by any firearm in any way in the US, unless you're a black male who lives in a bad neighborhood.
>>51692002
lol you think you can't kill hostages with a shotgun?
Maybe you should go check youtube and see how fast a pump action shotgun fires. He could have easily wiped out all the hostages before the cops could breech.
>>51692009
If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
Why do you have to justify your freedom by owning guns?
I can own kinder surprises that are banned in your country.
Maybe you should chill out about the candy and get more tough about gun control.
>>51691990
We do not have democracy anymore. We have an Oligarchy as someone else already pointed out. Corporations run America and they serve the rich. They only serve the rest in as so much to ensure profit margins and that is it. There is no such thing as freedom and "the people" controlling government anymore. It is an illusion that will persist as long as it will.
>>51692002
>He had a (1) shot gun not some automatic assault rifle collection with 30 handguns in open carry mode.
a shotgun would probably do more damage in a close-quarters situation like a mass shooting of unarmed civilians than an automatic weapon which isn't even really legal or common in the US to begin with
>>51691325
But then shit like this happened mate
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/02/12/australia-struggles-high-rate-sexual-assault-against-women-study
>>51691990
>The whole mindset of the individual and the government being adversaries
All men having power ought to be mistrusted, anon. Power corrupts. I'll be the first to admit that Americans have stood up for their rights against their government imperfectly, and the US government is most certainly way out of line, but at least we've mounted a defense. That's what all this Second Amendment business is about.
>>51692022
>Lol you think you can't
You can for sure.
You get one shot off and the police bumrush you.
Also it's quite hard to start a massacre with one shotgun.
Allowing people to own assault rifles and multiple handguns without any regulation is stupid.
>hurr durr gun control doesn't work
top kek, you keks deserve your mass murders because you do it to yourselves.
>>51692031
>If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
I hate this fucking argument. You don't need those goddamn cookies you fat fuck. People should have freedom to own whatever they like within reason and there is nothing wrong with owning a rifle. Shitload of people in suburban white neighborhoods have guns despite not needing it all.
>>51692046
>Get lied about WMDs in Iraq.
>Send your young men to die for the state of Israeli in there
>'WE WILL RISE UP IF WE GET ABUSED' - americans
lol
>>51692046
Fucking awesome quote anon. Fucking awsome.
>>51692007
Sad but true. Currently we are sanctioned by both Russia and America. Yet still we survive. pic related.
Fuck NATO for flooding Europe with refugees btw.
>>51691979
>you know my argument very well
I understand you wanting to bend over and grab your ankles to government forces. I would rather die defending my home if it came to that.
I love how nobody mentions what happened to Paris.
>>51692046
>All men having power ought to be mistrusted, anon. Power corrupts.
I absolutely agree, but we have checks in place to make sure our government doesn't turn into some semi-dynastic shitfest like in the US.
>>51692061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Navy_Yard_shooting
>guy with a pump action shotgun
>killed 13 people at a military base
>dumb sand niggers with AR-15s in California killed 14 at a Christmas party
>>51692069
>>Send your young men to die for the state of Israeli in there
>>51692087
Still better than 150
>>51692031
>If you're not afraid why do you need a gun?
I like guns, they're fun to shoot, and useful for self-defense, even though it's more than likely I will never fire a gun at another human being in my life.
>Why do you have to justify your freedom by owning guns?
I don't justify my freedom by owning guns. Guns serve as a protection for freedoms, not justification, which is why they have protection under the 2nd amendment.
Furthermore, gun control is completely worthless, gun crime occurs in black/poor neighborhoods, where guns are sold illegally, both by felons and to felons.
>>51692093
Reminder that Saddam was the honorary citizen of Detroit.
Reminder that everything was A-okay between Saddam and US of A before Saddamn wanted out of oil dollar.
>>51692046
If push came to shove, I don't think he 2nd amendment would do shit. It wouldn't be "the people vs the government" but simply civil war like in every other country that tries to rise up. If the US military split in equal parts and fought each other, it'd eradicate the American people.
>>51692093
3 of my friends died protecting the jews. I hope you all appreciate that.
>>51692099
Are you talking about the OKC bombing or Bataclan (which were both perpetrated with illegal weapons)?
>>51692130
They died in vain.
>>51692144
Paris, even though 150 people weren't killed, that was the amount injured.
>>51692130
You mean corporate oligarchy and zionists, right?
>>51692093
Video of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHmhf_wrcrM
>“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results” - Albert Einstein
>>51692093
Ugh, that guy makes me such a seething antisemite
>>51692175
There were 130 killed and 368 injured according to wikipedia.
>>51692130
I pray they are in heaven if they wanted to go there. More soldiers died from suicide after returning home than who died in battle.
>>51692183
Please don't let evil individuals turn you against whole groups.
>I will never be the dictator of the USA, make California it's own country, and then bomb the shit out of it
>>51692031
Your government is armed. Why do they have to justify your freedom with guns?
>>51692198
Fuck then its even worse than I fucking thought..
>>51692185
i am by no means against guns and I do agree with the post. However, the unfortunate and sad truth for the US is that at this point there can be no real happy end after some rebellion.
I don't like defeatism but I can understand the apathy and complacency of people.
Imho, in those cases there's only one reasonable thing to do. Something that I read in one of Hegel's or Kant's works, "No matter what. The righteous must survive."
If the Israelis had fought thousands of years ago, they might now not exist. Their escape from Egypt was the single most important thing that allowed Israel and the Jewish people to thrive again.
So, Anon, if shit hits the roof in the US. Save yourself and your loved ones and escape :(
>>51691250
>>51691274
The majority of Americans want guns. That isn't even a discussion. You don't want guns there's plenty of places to go that don't have them.
>>51692223
But Jews are habitually saying that criticizing one of them is antisemitism
So in their eyes, I don't have much of a choice. Either like him and support everything he says, or I'm antisemitic
So I guess that makes me antisemitic
>>51692278
>australians
Why am I not surprised?
>>51691908
>>51691325
Your data disagrees. Some parts of violent crimes in australia has taken a nose dive since the gun ban.
>>51691250
>NRA man is terrorist
Yeah, except he didn't shoot a bunch of people
>>51692075
you are truly retarded.
gun control doesn't mean they won't allow you to have a gun, it means you won't be able to, say, carry guns in the streets (how does that even apply to defending your property, you fucking retard?), it means you'll have a background check and possibly a psychological check, etc...
again, the danger is YOUR government, you do NOTHING against that, and you don't even recognize that YOU are responsible for it. in short, you americans are brainwashed and retarded.
it's funny that you consider this "freedom". other people would say freedom is, literally, doing whatever the fuck you want. you, instead, are a bunch of hypocrites, repressed and scared
>>51692278
>a few semiliterate rustics buy 500 guns each so all americans are gun nuts
Lolno
I think guns are neat but logically it's the best choice, right now, to confiscate all of them except maybe single shot shotguns and perhaps muzzle loading rifles
And I'm more American than you by definition because I have a passport
>>51692309
They're saying he's "supplying" them somehow. But of course lest bury Fast and Furious or Obama openly admitting to supplying Syrian rebels.
>>51692337
The government should revoke it :^)
>>51692265
People are apathetic and complacent because there is nothing worth fighting for. The government is "so evil and oligarchical!" but ultimately in the end, they don't really fuck around in their personal lives, they don't harm their loved ones for no apparent reason, society as it is has kept them fed and given them the greatest standards of living the world has ever seen.
>>51692310
but none of those methods will really be effective at all when preventing mass shootings
do you really think someone fucked in the head enough to open fire on a large group of unarmed people won't be somewhat ambitious enough to say, steal guns from someone who is "approved" to own them or just go buy them illegally? shit like background checks are just shitty dollar store band-aids that flake off when real shit happens, they aren't going to prevent another sandy hook or bataclan incident
>>51692129
It's not really up for debate so it doesn't really matter what your opinion on the matter is. I'm sure that's upsetting to you, but I sleep well at night.
>>51692309
He supplied all those terrorists
>>51692299
Second data set.
/pol/ pls go
>>51692380
this desu
why haven't the mods deleted this shitty bait thread that has nothing to do with technology?
>>51692337
>but logically it's the best choice, right now, to confiscate all of them except maybe single shot shotguns and perhaps muzzle loading rifles
Maybe if you want to live in some totalitarian shit hole you kek. That would just cause a metric crap-ton of problems, because at that point, the government would not be able to fear the people anymore.
>>51692006
>Still nothing
>Willfully ignoring arguments that blow you the fuck out
I'm okay with this result.
I hate that you fucks are breathing, but at least I know you're too chicken shit to argue with facts
>>51692380
> /g/ moving too fast now.
>>51692392
>Americans think Machiavellian system is good
top lol
>>51692337
That's cute
>>51692393
it's probably because nobody wants to watch your shitty dumbed-down youtube clickbait
>>51692366
He already had bombs he could have used, in the absence of a gun. Like the Oklahoma City bombing. Or he could have poisoned people, like that group in Japan that pumped nerve gas into the subway. Or committed arson, or kidnapped someone and slit their throat, or any number of other things.
Even if you managed to completely ban guns you wouldn't have stopped a terrorist bent on killing people. All you would have done was deprived law-abiding citizens of a fundamental right.
>>51692337
This is bait, right?
Do people really think such a thing is even conceivable to do, let alone possible?
>>51692363
Why would they? I support America, whereas you post treason rants on Facebook about how it's tyranny when you get health care and you want to make the streets run red with the blood of people who look, think, or talk different than you
You clearly want to live in a fascist shit hole where truth is subject to muh feelings, why don't you move to Turkmenistan?
>>51692409
>Americans think Machiavellian system is good
Are you a communist or just a Bernie Sanders supporter?
>>51692416
>Doesn't support your shitty argument and/or goes against it
>Clickbait
Still fine with your shitty reply.
Didn't argue a single fact.
>>51692442
Pretty much. Banning guns won't stop da ebul isis derroidsts :DDdDdDDddDDDD, just the rare dumbass who isn't creative enough to think of the many other ways you can kill a bunch of people at once.
>>51692443
Apparently the elite in America think it is possible. How else would you explain the current power structure and news outlets? They don't want second amendment rights anymore and they will do *anything* to destroy it (for all the 99% anyway).
>>51692337
It's cute you think the majority of Americans aren't armed. Go demand the US military disarm their family and friends for you. I bet they laugh in your face.
>>51692442
Look up what 'fundamental right' means, clappyfats
>>51692458
It's how every anti-gun discussion turns out. They can't comprehend the number of firearms that exist vs. the number actually used in crime, not to mention the number used to prevent or stop a crime. Also trying to discuss something they don't own doesn't help either.
>>51692472
And they can have fun trying and failing to confiscate almost all weapons in a massive country that has had no gun control for over two centuries and gun ownership as a right (and arguably a duty) culturally imprinted on them from birth.
>>51692265
>there can be no real happy end after some rebellion.
Better that the nation be destroyed rather than turned into a prison that calls it's inmates "citizens."
>>51691206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnoFKskvSq4
>>51691436
It says gun related deaths. That includes suicides (while the suicide levels stayed the same, just heightened in different methods or suicide), self defense, and police killing hostile individuals. Remove those factors and the levels stay roughly the same
>>51691325
>All guns should be banned
That'll definitely keep them out of the hands of the law abiding citizens who would never be an issue in the first place, that's for sure.
>>51692478
Why should the military do the job of law enforcement?
Flyovers really don't understand how this country works, it's disturbing until you remember they're like 0.4% of the population and therefore don't actually count as people
>>51692388
>I don't want people to criticize my country
you know, the NSA NOT ONLY spies on US citizens.
in fact, the most affected ones aren't even US citizens.
>>51692458
I wasn't trying to argue facts, because I didn't watch the video. I use this website as a place to discuss things and post images, not as a YouTube RSS feed.
If you want your argument heard out, post it yourself. I might even agree with it.
>>51691206
>cameras are technology too, so we should be able to post a thread that only has this one thing in common with technology
/kg/ - Keknology
>>51692486
Defending oneself is a fundamental right.
>>51692510
>implying
I don't know a single person who owns a gun, your meth infested unincorporated township in Kansas isn't typical
>>51692228
>you will never be an evil genius who drops seismic bombs into the san andreas fault and jettisons that whole shit state into the pacific
>>51692535
Please defenestrate yourself then, I support your right to do so
>>51692543
Good for you...?
>>51692526
The video will argue my stance much faster than I can type it.
If you can't deal with that just continue ignoring it faggot.
No need for your ignorant reply.
Click it or don't.
But you can't talk shit on what you haven't seen.
>>51691847
>posting to twitter saying that your "thoughts and prayers are with the victims" makes people feel better and definitely isn't a blatant attempt to increase brand recognition
>suggesting that something should be done about it is cynical and self serving
>>51691487
>implying most mass shooting have that many victims
>implying most mass shootings aren't gang-related
>implying most mass shootings aren't committed in gun free zones
>implying most mass shootings don't involve illegally obtained weaponry
>>51692535
All life is valuable edgelord.
>>51692535
>I learn my arguments from /pol/
murricans
>>51692525
???
this thread isn't even discussing the NSA, it's literally just a bunch of deluded armchair political scientists bikeshedding and whining about muh gun rights and muh gun control in really meaningless and non-constructive ways that have jack shit to do with technology
you can talk all the shit you want about the US in >>>/pol/, >>>/int/, or >>>/b/
>>51692543
You'd be surprised. They probably don't talk about their guns around you because it's easy to see someone's political stance on things.
>>51692566
make me
>>51692525
the US government isn't responsible for upholding the rights of other country's citizens who are not on US soil
>>51692535
Excellent work anon. This is truth that will resonate with the non-fags and make most of the liberals heads explode.
>>51692596
>I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO CRITICIZE MY COUNTRY!!!! MOOOOOOOM PLEASE TELL THIS PEOPLE THAT MY COUNTRY IS SACRED!11ONE
did you even see the pic in the OP?
>ignoramuses who actually believe putting a computer together is some noble feat that requires critical thought or skill
>/tinfoil/s who think the nsa is out to get them, and have no concept that it's merely a big governmental organisation
>the entire hardware enthusiast community, dont even get me started on how pointless their existence is
>brand fanboys
>people who got lost trying to find /wg/ (desktop threads)
>people who got lost trying to find their way to /v/
>my preferred software is better than your preferred software for these reasons which are irrelevant and entirely subjective:
>Much like the DJ/Producer of yesteryear, programming, aka "making apps" is the latest must-have personality accessory
>computer scientists: concerned with type systems, side effects, paradigms, etc
>programmers: concerned with available library bindings, performance, and platform support
>bosses of programmers: concerned with the language being object oriented in a way that keeps their hordes of inexperienced employees from stepping on each other's toes too much
>/g/: concerned with aesthetic issues like brackets and indentation styles
Bikeshedding is the proper word for it. /g/ mainly talks about brackets, syntax, and identation styles because it's non complex and everyone can contribute a opinion and be semi valid.
Any real issues will cause too much risk of being pointed out as incorrect or stupid if they're wrong / mistaken.
>>51692598
yeah no, I also don't know anyone who owns a truck. I suppose because they're too timid to admit it ^_^
>>51692520
>law enforcement having the capability of mass disarmament
my sides
there aren't enough cops in the US to do such a thing, and the armed resistance they met would absolutely necessitate involving the armed forces for any degree of success to be met
>>51691888
>Helsinki has a large immigrant population
Filthy lying socialist. Helsinki is still over 80 percent Finnish, and 6 percent Swedish. This means the non-western population is probably under 10%.
You think non-western immigration has no bad effect, and you think Finland will always be wealthy so there's no problem taking in more migrants, right?
It's literally people like you that are ruining Europe by voting socialist and letting all the terrori-, I mean, 'refugees' in.
If you really want to look at immigrant cities, look at London, Paris, Brussels. Brussels' new generation is majority muslim, so in 25 years Brussels will be a muslim city. The unemployment in Brussels is at 20% and rising. It's now internationally known as a safe haven for terrorists and pretty much ISIS Europe HQ. This is the exact future people like you are bringing to Finland, just wait.
Wealth corrupts, and people like you are traitors to their countries. I hope you rot in hell.
>>51692622
sorry, (You)'re trying too hard.
>>51692309
>>51692535
I love liberal cognitive dissonance.
I don't trust the police at all, and they're likely to shoot first and ask questions later. That's exactly why I support gun rights.
>>51692615
of course. even more, the US government doesn't seem to think that those humans have right, or, hell, that those outside the US are humans in the first place.
even more, the US government doesn't seem to care about human life, of those outside the US, or inside.
it's funny that you are defending your own government here... who is the statist now?
>>51691250
Shut the fuck up you degenerated weeaboo
>>51692520
How do you envision guns being confiscated without military force? I don't know if you've noticed, but American police hate your guts even more than the military thanks to black lives matter and libshit riots.
>>51692637
>muh insurrectionist fantasies
All we have to do is threaten to cancel your local sports franchise and you'll have them over
>>51692637
This is probably the reason that the US is pushing so hard to militarize their police. Something is predicted to happen that has not yet been made public. If a few thousand innocents die in the process... who cares as long as they aren't of European decent.
>>51692573
>The video will argue my stance much faster than I can type it.
So basically, you're lazy, have a short attention span and not very passionate and/or well-versed in the argument you're trying to put forward? You sure showed me who the educated one is here.
>>51691325
We have more guns in this country now than when they were banned and our murder rate has only gone down in line with the rest of the worlds.
We still have massive gun crime problems and our police are bunch of useless fucks with a response time literally measured in hours
>>51692648
Terrorists get in, closed borders or not, you fucking idiot.
>You are traitor if you aren't a racist.
Good grief.
>>51692631
Why don't you get a gun? It'll teach you personal responsibility and you'll learn that guns don't magically kill people.
>>51692694
>Passionate
>Devoting your time to shitposting about a video you supposedly didn't watch
Sure showed me.
>>51692685
I don't know if you noticed, but PDs now have strykers and drones and 50 cal machine guns, that's plenty to deal with the odd uncooperative crackpot
The majority will buckle when their NFL channel is cut off for a week
>>51692720
That didn't even make sense.
>>51692710
>Terrorists get in, closed borders or not, you fucking idiot.
What? It is perfectly possible for countries to limit their immigration; that shit happens all the time.
>>51692710
>some viruses are not detected by your antivirus
>might aswell uninstall it and let every virus in!
>not wanting your country to be flooded with migrants is racism
Leftist logic. You are pathetic.
>>51692725
>NFL channel cut off forever.
Truth there anon.
>>51692735
Because limiting immigration will stop terrorists from coming in? Because they go to the fucking Immigration Office with their bombs and shit?
Good fucking God.
>>51692732
In the amount of time you've argued with me you could have had the video play in the background and simply listened to the points.
All of them
Your passion is clearly shitposting.
How is this not clear?
>>51692712
Where is the magic? Bullet goes in, blood comes out. Do gun nuts think they're super geniuses for getting this? Is it like rig ricers who think plugging in a graphics card makes them a hacker?
>>51692735
you are saying that only foreigners are terrorists. you are actually being xenophobic, and far from rational.
how old are you?
>>51692710
>don't close borders because that won't stop terrorists
>ban guns because that will stop terrorists
>>51692746
>Every immigrant, refugee, is comparable to a virus.
>>>/hommaforum/
>>51692753
>>51692759
No, it'll stop future terrorists from being born by limiting the Muslim population.
>>51692688
Even if only 1/100 (an extremely conservative ballpark number) of gun owners resisted, that's still something in the neighborhood of 3 million guns that have to be confiscated from cold dead hands.
>muh gun-grabbing fantasies
>muh just turn the football network off for a week because that will surely make people who are already pissed off about gun-grabbing really happy and willing to hand over their firearms
Moron.
>>51692746
>using antivirus
>>51692615
As a party the the UN's Declaration on Human Rights, they do have this obligation.
>>51692773
Breath deep
helium sweet.
>>51692773
>only muslims and their descendants are terrorists
you know, 4chan is for 18+ year olds.
>>51692758
Where's the blood? I have shown you 9 guns and there's no blood. Buy one for $200 and you'll see that you're making shit up.
>>51692786
>>51692789
He actually has a point, second-gens are the real pieces of shit when it comes to immigration, especially the ones in Europe.
>>51692770
That was in reference to terrorists, not migrants.
Also, since there is almost no way to know for sure, yes, every 'refugee' has the potential to be a terrorist. If you don't agree with this then you are being naive.
>>51692786
>>51692789
Sorry that the facts hurt your feelings. Large Muslim populations are bad and radicalize people to become terrorists. Limiting immigration is the only sane thing to do if you want to stop these attacks.
>>51692579
Australia had an average of one mass shooting per year in the 10 years before the ban
The average went to zero in the next ten years
Suck it NRA shills
>>51692725
>NFL
Guys running around in spandex with balls in their hands? If that isn't freedom then I don't know what is. I can't believe that you would even suggest that it could ever be taken away from us. We have ammendmental rights to run around in spandex. Fuck guns! Long live spandex warriors!
>>51692785
>UN
>meaningful
loving every laugh, family
might as well say they have a moral obligation as a first world nation, it matters just as much
>>51692372
So... the murder rate didn't change at all?
and the armed robbery rate is the same?
>>51692792
I like it how you people say 'it's an inanimate object' when it suits you, but then claim it's got superstitious magical properties given by God and the Founding Fathers when that suits you
Can't have it both ways, little buddy
>>51692712
I could own a nuke and, barring theft, there would never be a problem. That doesn't mean that people should be allowed to own nukes.
>MUH GUN CONTROL!
* America has thousands of miles of borders and shores. We can't stop 300 pound Mexicans from running across the border with a brick of cocaine under each arm. There is NO FUCKING WAY the government will EVER be able to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Don't parry "muh gun control" unless you can describe a system whereby it works and prove it first with illegals, drugs, and human trafficking.
* 3D printing is 10, maybe 5 years away from truly usable firearms. At which point no gov in the world will be able to "control guns."
* Once a criminal has decided to commit murder all other crimes are free. Contraband? Stealing? What are you going to do? Add 5 years to a life sentence? Add 10 to a death sentence? You're a knuckle dragging moron if you think new laws will deter anything.
Two of the four weapons were illegal in CA. Hi capacity mags are illegal in CA. Pipe bombs are illegal fucking every where. THOSE LAWS DIDN'T STOP SHIT. So stop suggesting more like some fucking child.
>>51692800
>>
>Also, since there is almost no way to know for sure, yes, every 'refugee' has the potential to be a terrorist. If you don't agree with this then you are being naive.
Every person has potential to scratch their ass too.
>>51692817
>>51692799
he's saying that ONLY foreigners, and in particular muslims, are terrorists
are you retarded? >>51691250
also, if you knew the history of your own country, you would know that your country TRAINED AND SUPPORTED (financies, arms, political favors, ...) those TERRORISTS
YOUR country is the #1 TERRORIST in the world.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
http://qz.com/374138/these-are-all-the-countries-where-the-us-has-a-military-presence/
but OF COURSE you are in DENIAL about this fact.
>>51692840
I never said it has magic but you do since blood comes out of them apparently. They are inanimate objects so why are you so scared to get one?
>>51692859
What does that have to do with anything he said?
>>51692800
Yeah throw every person pre-emptively to jail too since they have potential (and by objective FACTS) commit crimes every day.
Good logic.
>>51692725
You're the crackpot. That's what you don't seem to understand. Only delusional people like yourself believe the the US military and police will do your bidding after you spit in their face, throw bricks at them, and light buildings on fire. God forbid if WW3 were to break out tomorrow because reality would stomp you out rather quick.
>>51692860
>only muslims are terrorists
loginv gevery laugh
>>51692867
>neener neener ur scared
Apparently gun nuts also have the mentality of grade schoolers when it comes to justifying their alternative
What's wrong with 'because I think it's fun'
Works for everyone else
>>51692660
...so you're gonna shoot the cops?
>>51692848
>* America has thousands of miles of borders and shores. We can't stop 300 pound Mexicans from running across the border with a brick of cocaine under each arm.
why would they stop them, if they can profit from it?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/3/sarah-furay-a-texas-teen-and-dea-agents-daughter-f/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Afghanistan_opium_poppy_cultivation_1994-2007b.PNG
>>51692860
In denial about what? I don't support the US's foreign policy and never had. It's malicious and destructive. That doesn't mean I support terrorism nor does it mean I'm an Islamist apologist.
The facts are that Islam is the most violent religion in the world right now, and large Muslim populations tend to hold values fundamentally opposed to western ideas of liberty and equality. You don't want these people hanging around. Europe should limit immigration and try to eradicate Islam through education. It's the only way to stop all of these terrorist attacks which are disproportionately caused by Muslims esp. native born ones.
>>51692876
>after you spit in their face, throw bricks at them, and light buildings on fire.
Uhhh, little buddy you were the ones who blew up a federal building and murdered a cop trying to defend an abortion clinic
I don't know why you think they'd side with you and not with me, or what movie this spitting fantasy came from
>>51692904
If they shoot first without good cause, it's valid self defense.
>>51692848
Why would US of A want to stop drug traffick? It generates lots of money for banks, jobs for cops, keeps poor niggers in shitty conditions.
Read up on Dark Alliance by Gary Webb
>>51692904
If a cop raids my home for no reason, I will shoot back to defend my life. I know that laws are shitty and unfair, and I'll likely end up behind bars for the rest of my life. But if someone is attacking me, I don't care who it is; I'll defend myself.
>>51692937
>end up in jail
Heheh
They'd just kill you
And nothing of value was lost
>>51692885
How can you argue about something you don't own or know anything about?
>>51691353
>WELL
>REGULATED
>MILITIA
>>51692909
>>51692936
Both posts irrelevant. Guns cannot be "controlled' even if the government was hell bent on doing so. That's the point.
So find another solution.
>>51692948
There have been cases where homeowners successfully defended themselves from cops invading the wrong house.
>>51692919
Because Western ideas of liberty and freedom are relevant?
Britain has huge mass surveillance and their GHCQ system is even worse than NSA's. PRISM and NSA, let alone other systems gather everything you post digitally and profile you both actively and passively.
America has got fucking blacksites for their police departments where they take people to question without lawyers, fucking France revenge bombs civil establishments because ragheads suicide bombed themselves in couple clubs etc.
>>51692960
Militia Act of 1903. Any able bodied man and US citizen is the Militia. So you can ban guns for women if you want.
>>51692960
>THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS
>>51692937
anon, you should try to set up some kind of self defense border to kill them all off before they get to kill you. It could have bad results, but I agree with you. They are out of control. If you have to, kill them first.
>>51692948
Death scares liberals more than loss of freedom.
>>51692969
Muslims want sharia law and will behead anyone who doesn't convert to their barbaric religion. I'll take the NSA spying on me over living in a majority muslim country any day.
>>51692872
Except when you look at these polls:
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm
You can deduct that at the very least, 10% of muslims living in Europe want to see white Europeans dead.
Just let that sink in.
On top of that, ISIS has openly said that they will use the refugee crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe. And some of the terrorists in Paris were proven to be refugees that had entered Europe through the Balkans like the other refugees. It has already happened and it will happen again. How you can still deny this is beyond me.
Your socialist utopia doesnt have a leg to stand on. These people want us dead. Do you even understand what that means?
>>51692960
>NOT
>UNDERSTANDING
>ENGLISH
One clause is not dependent on the other.
Besides, this has been ruled on over and over again. Nothing short of a convention to amend the Constitution will change it. Good luck with that.
And...again...even if you managed to outlaw all firearms in the U.S. ... IT WOULDN'T CHANGE A DAMN THING.
>can't stop illegals
>can't stop drugs
>can't stop human trafficking
>can't stop bombs
>even in totalitarian shit holes
>BUT WE GONNA STOP GUNS IN AMERICA!
The idiocy burns.
>>51692631
>yeah no, I also don't know anyone who owns a truck.
That's just weird honestly
>>51692991
>Every muslim is a power-tripping terrorist leader
ok
>>51692949
What do you expect me to 'know'? Muh glockenade maymay? Le 9mm is weak maymay? Muh 22lr conspiracy?
What I know is exactly the wrong people in this country have guns: backwards, hateful illiterate rural retards. Hence why I support disarmament. If it was a hobby for well traveled intellugent educated urbanites, I'd be fine with it.
>>51692969
If they are irrelevant, we wouldn't have any laws protecting equality or liberty at all.
Just because the government chooses to violate these principles doesn't mean they don't matter.
>>51692991
Why must it be either / or, and not neither? They're both fucked.
>>51692860
Cry more, and welcome to the world of international politics. We're a superpower, it's what we do, it's what everyone with the power to do so does.
None of that bitchy rambling had anything at all to do with what I said anyway.
>>51692932
>cops shoot first and ask questions later, so I need a gun
>I need a gun so that I can defend myself against cops whose colleagues will surely see that I get a fair trial, and not shoot me on sight for being a cop killer
>other people suffer from cognitive dissonance
>>51692995
I mean they do have a reasonable argument for wanting US of A and NATO countries dead. It's not like they aren't justified at all.
And terrorists will get in even if you close borders so I don't get ur fear mongering anyway
>>51693014
> backwards, hateful illiterate rural retards
this explains why it is the progressive, forward thinking urbanites who commit all the gun crimes in the US
you're extremely ignorant about where gun crime happens, who commits it, and what causes it
>>51693010
There is no such thing as moderate Islam. Those people are backwards as fuck.
>>51693026
I don't support NSA spying, but I'm saying that the fundamental values of Islam are violent and more contradictory to liberty and freedom than the NSA. Yes, I think the religion is just that bad.
>>51693036
Nah, they'll side with him for shooting at them because of a movie about guy fawkes or some shit
>>51693042
>The terrorist attacks in Paris and California were justified.
Just kill yourself.
>>51692919
in denial about your own society, your own country, your own government.
>The facts are that Islam is the most violent religion in the world right now
see, you keep denying reality: your government practically created these violent groups. they were born after your government destroyed iraq, libya and syria, and (probably) created these "arab springs". seriously, who is the real terrorist here? who made such a "mistake" of giving arms to violent groups while killing the ones that kept them calmed?
man, once again: read the history of your own country, you'll find answers to many questions. true, things aren't as simple, we cannot purely blame the US... but there are many other actors and interests related to western powers.
>>51692966
are you retarded? the point is that your government does NOT want to control drugs, or illegal immigration. they WANT drugged population and a cheap, illegal workforce.
>>51693034
fucking statist.
gotta love this cognitive dissonance.
>muh liberuls
>HEY, WE ARE A WORLD POWER; DON'T THREATEN US!!!1one
>>51693054
>There is no such thing as non-nutjob Islam
ok lol
>>51693036
People have successfully defended their homes from unlawful warrants, and not been executed by cops, and not being found guilty of any wrong-doing.
Furthermore, you're telling me it's okay for cops to violate you and your rights because if you defend yourself they will violate you further?
How does that make any sense?
>>51693052
It's poor people. Who are disproportionately undereducated and socially conservative. Get rid of them, or get rid of the guns. I'm a humanitarian, so I say get rid of the guns, but if you're volunteering to suicide don't let me stop you.
>>51693036
Are you an idiot? You'll have a least a slight chance of staying alive if you use self-defense to protect yourself than if you just cower and fear and let the cops shoot you up.
>>51693070
>>51693070
about as justified as US of A controlling, overthrowing legitimate good governments for nutjob dictators in middle East.
Its not bad price to pay for getting oil cheap is it? COuple hundred wounded and few dead.
>>51693014
If you support disarming people why not go do it? All you're really saying is that you want to sit on the internet crying about guns until people with guns try to disarm other people with guns. Then you sit there thinking you are the most civilized person in the world.
>>51692456
>whereas you post treason rants on Facebook about how it's tyranny when you get health care and you want to make the streets run red with the blood of people who look, think, or talk different than you
I literally don't have a facebook account.
>>51693054
>There is no such thing as moderate Islam. Those people are backwards as fuck.
>I don't support NSA spying, but I'm saying that the fundamental values of Islam are violent and more contradictory to liberty and freedom than the NSA. Yes, I think the religion is just that bad.
yet another murrican who learns politics from /pol/. I bet you have never, ever, even touched any religious book other than the bible (if that).
I got a video specially for you and your kind:
https://youtu.be/YWdD206eSv0
>>51693077
non-nutjob islam is not true islam :^)
>>51693075
>your government practically created these violent groups
I'm not denying that at all. That is completely true. However, that doesn't alleviate Islam of any blame nor does that change hundreds of years of violence and conquest in the name of Islam.
>>51693083
Why do they have to move? There's plenty of places that have banned guns for you to move to. They are obviously the pillars of society. Go to your utopia.
>>51693075
Reality will be reality no matter how many tearful strawmen you erect before it. I haven't mentioned "liberuls" anywhere in this thread, I'm laughing at all of you deluded armchair politician faggots crying about ethics in geopolitics.
>>51693112
South East Asia is filled with moderate Islam, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia.
You just seem to pick up your information form /pol/ I guess.
>>51693093
Stop trolling man, I live in Europe. It's not a laughing matter. Our countries are ruined.
>>51693080
>People have successfully defended their homes from unlawful warrants, and not been executed by cops, and not being found guilty of any wrong-doing.
Maybe this is the exception to the rule, or maybe this happens all the time. My point isn't that this is or is not possible; it's that thinking this is likely is contradictory to thinking cops "shoot first and ask questions later". That's cognitive dissonance.
>Furthermore, you're telling me it's okay for cops to violate you and your rights because if you defend yourself they will violate you further?
Nothing I said could reasonably have implied that.
>How does that make any sense?
How does your conclusion make any sense?
>>51693111
>South East Asia is filled with moderate Islam, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia.
Bullshit. Muslims are mostly whack jobs that will behead anyone who doesn't convert to their shitty religion.
>>51693083
Look at a fucking map and at crime statistics and tell me just how many gun crimes are committed by rural people.
You can characterize people who live in rural areas with descriptions like "undereducated" and "poor", but that isn't where gun crime is occurring, and to say otherwise is denying facts, and by extension, reality.
>>51693113
you are retarded. ISIS are mercenaries, being paid and supported by foreign powers.
read what your government has done in latin america. you'll see the same level of violence. read about the school of americas. read about how the french taught the US with these techniques.
you man are ignorant as hell, you don't understand shit.
>>51693142
Meant for >>51693131 as well
>>51693094
Nobody has guns around here anyway, so it doesn't affect me.
It's a thread about opinions, and mine is that you and your kind should find a new hobby. But as long as you and your alternative lifestyle stay in your containment state, it's just an inane internet debate to me.
Now say 'ooh I scared him off with my mechanical penis'
>>51693133
Maybe we should've thought of what will happen to the region before we tried to subdue and control it for 60 years?
>Our countries are ruined.
They are quite well compared to what bad things went in middle East after US of A and other countries from the West decided to play 'rig the country' by overthrowing people who don't subject themselves to their rule.
>>51693131
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf
So moderate and tolerant, am I right?
>>51693152
Hmm, you ever notice how we don't get bombed by radical Latinos despite centuries of colonization and fucking up those regions? To pretend that Islam has nothing to do with it is disingenuous.
>>51693152
>ISIS are literally Militaires Sans Frontières.
>>51693014
>What I know is exactly the wrong people in this country have guns: backwards, hateful illiterate rural retards. Hence why I support disarmament. If it was a hobby for well traveled intellugent educated urbanites, I'd be fine with it.
Wow, what broad judgements you are making. If I were to apply your stupidly arrogant filter, I could just as easily call all liberals educated idiots who can not see the world realistically.
What you should be expected to know is that all sorts of people own guns for various reasons, and that many of the gun laws that are put in are ridiculous because of how fucking broad they are. Many of you faggots believe that semi automatic weapons fire 100,000 baby seeking shots per minute or some dumb shit, and can barely do any research on the topic at hand. In reality, semi automatic firearms make up over 90% of the guns made in the past 150 years or so, and make up a very large majority of guns on the market.
To keep this technology related, this same shit is happening with surveillance. People who do not understand anything about encryption and computers are trying to have government keys so that your encrypted shit can be accessed easily by authorities. This makes the whole point of encryption fairly pointless, because these types of keys always get leaked and become easily available on the web. Just like some gun law is not going to prevent a bunch of dune coons from killing innocent civilians, some encryption bans aren't going to stop people from hiding illegal things on their computers. You need to take a step back from being "progressive" or whatever, and just do some research on what is actually happening.
>>51693115
Australia is actually a pretty nice place
>>51693152
You're ignorant too if you think the US is solely to blame for the current situation, they're merely reaping the what you've sown from colonialism.
>>51693075
>are you retarded?
>being asked this by a retard
No government on Earth has EVER successfully eliminated weapons and contraband. Not the Soviets. Not the Nazis. No one.
If you had an island and were willing to shut down the shores and be a totalitarian shit to your people, MAYBE you could do it.
It is a literally a physical impossibility in a nation with our history, borders, and shores.
Pretty soon it will be literally a physical impossibility for any country with 3D printing tech.
So suggesting gun control is pure idiocy. There is no such thing.
>the radical muslim murderers broke a half dozen laws before they fired the first shot
>"hurr durr lawz will stop them"
>>51693162
and fucking 50-60% of Americans approved Iraq war
So fucking moderate and tolerant? Go choke on your corporate oligarchy dick you fucking /pol/tard.
>>51693137
>it's that thinking this is likely is contradictory to thinking cops "shoot first and ask questions later"
How so? You thinks cops always hit what they're aiming at?
>>51693157
A right is now a hobby? Why should I get rid of my guns? They sit there and do nothing until I want to use them, then go back to sitting. Does it make you mad that you are among armed citizens and that there is no murdering going on around you?
>>51693127
>muh gubmint is not responsible for aliens
>MUH GUBMINT IS COMING FOR ME!!!1
the nazis thought exactly the same thing, m8
>>51693142
>>South East Asia is filled with moderate Islam, Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia.
>Bullshit. Muslims are mostly whack jobs that will behead anyone who doesn't convert to their shitty religion.
stop putting words in my mouth, you retard.
>pew research
do you really believe that? HAHAHA
you guys are really funny. your govt. has an incredible level of control of your media (>but muh free speech!!!) yet you keep believing everything you hear from them
FUCKING MURRICAN STATISTS keep defending their own government and talking bullshit about the world they don't know
go back to >>>/pol/ and learn politics from stormfronters, you retarde underage
or take a real history book and learn a thing or two from that
>>51693173
I don't recall doing any beheading in Peace Walker.
>>51693093
>about as justified as Obama controlling, overthrowing legitimate good governments for nutjob dictators in middle East.
Fixed it 4u. Reminder that when Bush was in office Iraqi citizens were voting in peaceful elections.
>Its not bad price to pay for getting oil cheap is it? COuple hundred wounded and few dead.
Oil is cheap because of U.S. shale fracking you moron. The middle east instability has reduced output there.
>>51693186
>colonialism==capitalism?
WTF you trying to say man? spit it out.
>>51693210
What the fuck are you even talking about? And why are you using the old !!!1 meme? It's not 2008 anymore. We're in the post-ironic era now.
>>51693210
>denying perfectly reputable statistics because it hurts your feelings
>>51693202
It's not a right. What you mistook for a right was an arcade figure of speech.
The only armed citizens around me have badges, and that's how it should be.
>>51693160
You have no clue what you are talking about.
The problem is migrants and 'refugees' in Europe refusing to integrate and radicalizing.
All over Europe there are ghettos full of muslims that are completely anti-Western and anti-European. They hate us for who we are, for our values that are different from theirs. You are clueless, honestly. It will come to the USA. You will see.
>>51693170
Well, we do have Latino gang violence in the states and they do smuggle drugs/weapons/people into the country all the time.
>>51693194
American civilians don't immigrate to the middle east and blow themselves up.
technology t︂b︂︂h
>>51693111
>>I don't support NSA spying, but I'm saying that the fundamental values of Islam are violent and more contradictory to liberty and freedom than the NSA. Yes, I think the religion is just that bad.
>yet another murrican who learns politics from /pol/.
Muslims stone gays.
Muslims force their women to wear burqas.
Muslims stone women for the "crime" of being raped (literal rape culture).
Muslims act out and murder anyone who exercises free speech against Islam. (The trigger in CA btw.)
...
Liberals defend Islam.
>proof that liberalism is a mental disorder
>>51693221
>He actually fucking thinks that Obama started overthrowing governments in middle East
America has been overthrowing actual governments since the 50s in the region you ignorant shit. Obama was overthrowing Gaddafi, American puppet until he wanted to get away from oil dollar, and now the Libya is a fucking shit hole of a new level because American went in and gave some CIA-supported 'rebel freedom' in there.
>>51693243
That has nothing to do with terrorism.
>>51693233
>It's not a right
Okay, so you decide what's a right now based on your feelings rather than any legal interpretation of the law, and the Supreme Court doesn't know jackshit, gotcha.
>>51693247
No you just sent your young boys in there with military gear to bomb them.
What the fuck is your point moron?
>>51693240
>They hate us for who we are, for our values that are different from theirs. You are clueless, honestly. It will come to the USA. You will see.
They hate us for supporting Israel. You will see.
>>51693227
The middle east and Africa are ultimately fucked up the way they are due to European meddling during the colonial era that set them up the way they are today, drawing shitty borders, supporting shitty dictators and lumping shitty, hostile groups in with their enemies with only a weak, ineffective and corrupt government between them.
The US merely takes advantage of the instability and the cheap labor and resources it provides, like any other country with the power to do so.
In other words, kill yourself, because you're part of the problem as much as they are.
>>51693233
>The only armed citizens around me have badges, and that's how it should be.
Blindly trusting the police is silly and the police can't teleport to you instantly if you have an emergency. Everyone has the right to defend themselves.
>>51693265
That's fair, I'm just saying we are feeling some violent aftereffects from what we've doing in Latin America, though it is not terrorism.
>>51693276
Civilians not military. The public has very little say in foreign policy.
>>51693194
>and fucking 50-60% of Americans approved Iraq war
I'm pretty sure 50-60% of Iraqis did as well, including all the Kurds.
>>51693254
Yeah every Muslim is a fucking extremist.
not.
>>51693284
middle East was perfectly fine until American and Britbong set up Israel and American started overthrowing peaceful progressive governments every time Israel barked or they needed cheaper oil.
Stop with colonialism meme you uneducated child
>>51693301
>The public vote of American dont count
>the public vote of Indonesians count
lol fucking idiot
>>51693170
it was just an example, can you even keep a conversation, or is your attention span so low?
>>51693173
that's the game the US has always played
>>51693186
OF COURSE NOT, that's why the US has "friends" everywhere. and yet those are friends for reasons...
>>51693192
you don't even understand how societies work.
>>51693229
>stop disrespecting muh internet culture!!!
>>51693231
see >>51693194
>perfectly reputable
and easily manipulable, just as all "public opinion" (i.e., mass media owned by a few rich fags that own the state/government, top kek)
>>51693254
>Muslims stone gays.
>Muslims force their women to wear burqas.
>Muslims stone women for the "crime" of being raped (literal rape culture).
>Muslims act out and murder anyone who exercises free speech against Islam. (The trigger in CA btw.)
so? you mean you don't do backwards shit in the US? >>51691843
you guys are asshurt as hell
>>51693194
>Approving the overthrowing of a hostile dictatorship that was believed to have nuclear weapons is exactly equal to believing attacks on innocent civilians are justified.
Oops your argument is worthless, just like all the ones you made before.
>>51693291
It's more due to the effect of drug prohibition.
>>51693285
>we can't ban them, we need more guns to defeat the bad guys with guns
Brilliant logic
>>51693254
and US of A went to war multiple because muh COMMUNISM IS THE NEW HITLER and you killed more than 50k+ people with your CIA contras ops. in South Africa and you made each of the countries complete shit hole outside couple with bank cartels.
>>51693317
>believed to have WMDs.
OLOOLLOLOLOLO
>>51693309
>>51693310
The pew statistic shows a very high percentage of Muslims in those countries supporting Sharia law. This is not at all equivalent to American citizens supporting the overthrow of a dictator (however short sighted that might have been).
>and easily manipulable
No it isn't. It's a fucking statistic; not a media campaign. Read the whole study and enlighten yourself.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/
>>51693257
>>He actually fucking thinks that Obama started overthrowing governments in middle East
No, but it was Obama's actions that led to the situation we're in.
I don't think Bush was right in his strategy. But it is observable fact that he wanted to institute a secular democracy in Iraq.
>Obama was overthrowing Gaddafi, American puppet until he wanted to get away from oil dollar,
>Gaddafi
>"Gaddafi"
Fucking 20yo college student SJW detected. Maybe you should read up on U.S. / Libya relations BEFORE you were born.
>>51693341
>South Africa.
WOOPS meant South America*.
And lets not fucking forget Guantanamo Bay if you want to get to human rights.
>>51693330
Is this a serious post? Of course you can't ban guns. Guns are stupidly easy to make and easy to acquire. You need guns to defend yourself against armed criminals that's just a fact.
>>51693309
>middle East was perfectly fine until American and Britbong set up Israel
my sides
>>51693354
A shitload of clappyfats literally believe the Holy Bible is the basis of all law
Just saying
>>51693309
>middle East was perfectly fine until American and Britbong set up Israel and American started overthrowing peaceful progressive governments every time Israel barked or they needed cheaper oil.
No, not really. The bongs and frogs had been fucking around in the region for a while by then, cutting up the land they took from the Ottomans for themselves and their native allies. If you think the abuse of this region only started post-war you're just fucking dumb.
>>51693310
This whole post is just a giant emotional non-sequitur, are you ever going to say something actually useful?
Wow!!! Look at this thread! Who would have thought that a couple in Ca who shot up some disabled people could initiate a discussion like this! So much logic and heated genius in this thread. Guns, Germs, Steel. All here. The US really is still the focus of the world! God Bless America!
>>51693359
It was not Obama's actions, it has been there for at least 50 years or so, coming and building up and manifesting itself in various forms of terrorists acts by couple ragheads over decades.
>>51693369
>inane emotional blathering
>now that's a fact!
If you say so, Wayne
>>51693381
It's not a shitload; it's just some bible thumpers who think that and they aren't nearly as harmful as Muslims.
>>51693309
>Yeah every Muslim is a fucking extremist.
>not cherrypicking parts of your religion to follow, but actually honestly following it makes you an extremist muslim
>>51693387
Wow an American website talking about America! Who woulda thought.
>>51693284
>The middle east and Africa are ultimately fucked up the way they are due to European meddling during the colonial era
>MUH PROFESSOR SAID SO!
Islamic violence has been a major problem in the middle east and Europe since the religion started.
Sub-Saharan Africa was nothing but savage tribes before colonialism. Though I might agree with you if you said Europe should have quarantined Africa under a 'Prime Directive' and isolated them from the world until they achieved certain things. Giving savages electricity and guns apparently doesn't work out any better then giving primitives warp cores does in SciFi.
>>51693379
Relatively fine, even Iran had a progressive government building up before Daddy America did some thangs.
The disposal of the first democratically elected president in the Islamic world (1953), namely Mohammad Mosaddegh, by the hands of Western powers and by the order of the Oil Companies because he wanted to induce fair taxes and reforms on resource exploitation so his nation could prosper is a historical and documented fact.
>>51693395
>implying you can't completely stop the black market from distributing arms
Enjoy your fantasy.
>>51693310
>you don't even understand how societies work.
No, you don't. Which is why you have no answer for the post.
Don't you have a safe space you can run to or something?
>>51692712
it's not guns, you dumbass. it's idiots and crazies who have legal, easy access to guns, and no legal mechanism is in place to repossess those guns from them.
and instead of doing anything to solve the problem, people like you continue to bikeshed, which does nothing but prolong and compound this issue.
>>51693369
>You need guns to defend yourself against armed criminals that's just a fact.
As a skeleton who isn't some martial arts master from a comic, I would like to have the right to to not have my head caved in by some unarmed thug(s) too.
>>51692712
>owning the Counter Strike Source meme 9mm
should have traded it for a .357
>>51693440
They didn't have access to them. The shooters in Ca bought them from a friend who bought them and sold it to them. That is illegal.
>>51693440
Oh my god... crazies have access to the restrooms and shopping malls? What the fuck has happened to America the great?
>>51693354
>>and easily manipulable
>No it isn't. It's a fucking statistic; not a media campaign.
it's a media campaign there in their countries. you don't seem to understand that powerful interests can manipulate the "public opinion", basically because it's way too easy to convince people that this or that opinion in a given topic is justified. PLUS you don't understand that the US government and murrican corporations have a LOT of power when it comes to mass media worldwide. and, as we saw with the NSA docs, corporations are in bed with your government. in fact they have been in bed for many decades...
you see what I mean?
>reputable
kek
>>51693386
>This whole post is just a giant emotional non-sequitur, are you ever going to say something actually useful?
do you really expect me to give all documentation and details for a shitload of arguments in a few minutes?
>>51693310
>>Muslims stone gays.
>>Muslims force their women to wear burqas.
>>Muslims stone women for the "crime" of being raped (literal rape culture).
>>Muslims act out and murder anyone who exercises free speech against Islam. (The trigger in CA btw.)
>so? you mean you don't do backwards shit in the US? >>51691843
>MUH MARXIST EQUIVALENCY!
Go live in a Sharia Law nation if you think the U.S. is equally backwards.
>>51693398
Are you trying to imply that the second line isn't true? Interpreting any holy text literally makes you an extremist. Do you know what literalist Christians would be like if they didn't ignore any parts of the Bible? Extremists.
- The disposal of the first democratically elected president in the Islamic world (1953), namely Mohammad Mosaddegh, by the hands of Western powers and by the order of the Oil Companies because he wanted to induce fair taxes and reforms on resource exploitation so his nation could prosper is a historical and documented fact.
- The installation of Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi by the Western powers, with their full backing and support, wasn't even hidden.
The fact that Shah sold his people out, brought down all the reforms that would have brought economic prosperity to Iran and its people, and was a worse dictator than any of the modern known counterparts including Sadam Hussein, is a documented fact.
The consequence of all of this, starting from the retarded Western disposal of Mosa, is a fundamentalist theocratic Iran being born out of hatred, rather than us having today a democratic secular rational Iran with a great economy and being a rational stabilizing ally in the area if Mosa wasn't deposed.
- That the Western forces supported Saddam financially and with weaponry in the Iraq-Iran war, is a historical documented fact.
- That the Western forces abandoned Saddam after he couldn't get his hands on the oil in Iran, because this was the deal with the West in exchange for support, is a historical fact. This led to Saddam turning his sights on the neighboring dictatorship Kuwait.
- That the West financed and trained the Taliban and extremists, who later become Al-Qaeda and the terrorists of today, against Communist Russia during its Afghan invasion, is a historical documented fact.
- That we abandoned them after the Communist collapse, is a historical documented fact.
- That we financed ISIS/ISIL by financing and arming the rebels in Syria against Assad, is a documented historical fact.
- That we enabled theocracies in Libya and Egypt, and created conscription centers for fundamentalists, is a fact.
>>51693478
go tell the police that you smoke weed in america, and you'll experience those prisons first hand.
>>51693440
>it's idiots and crazies who have legal, easy access to guns
How was this latest mass shooter idiotic or crazy in a way that could be easily seen ahead of time by a background check? (Besides that he was a muslim)
I would argue that these mass shootings that the media exposes you to are not a problem that needs a comprehensive solution to solve, because they an outlier event that doesn't impact a statistically significant number of people.
The mass shootings that do happen a lot, and are significant are gang related ones that receive a blurb on the 10 o'clock news at the most.
>>51693476
>>it's a media campaign there in their countries
Oh that's what you mean. Yeah, and that campaign is called "Islam" which is a radical, extreme religion that denies fundamental rights to people.
>>51693330
>>we can't ban them, we need more guns to defeat the bad guys with guns
>Brilliant logic
How many people did Muslims kill at that Texas art show making fun of their prophet?
Oh...that's right...NONE.
Must have been because cops and security left their guns at home and opened a peaceful dialog with the attackers in a safe space free from cis white colonial oppression.
>>51693491
>Disposal of Mosaddegh & Installation of the Shah
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/19/cia-admits-it-was-behind-irans-coup/
>Shah's failed reforms and repressiveness:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAVAK
>Theocratic Iran born out of hatred:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution
>West backed Saddam:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Iraq_relations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war
Western forces abandon Saddam and let Iraq face the music for using chemical weapons in the Iran-Iraq war, hence why Iran got into trouble (even though as noted in one of the articles, the USA was helping them target their missiles and the germans sold them dual-use chemicals.)
>West financed extremists in Afghanistan
http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-islamic-fundamentalism-the-roots-of-the-us-wahhabi-alliance/5303558
>West abandoned Taliban Afghanistan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Emirate_of_Afghanistan#International_relations
>West armed rebels in Syria
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/14/uk-policy-supporting-anti-assad-syria-rebels-called-stupid
>We created theocracies in Libya and Egypt
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_reactions_to_the_2011_Libyan_Civil_War#No-fly_zone
(We intervened in a domestic conflict to aid Libya's rebels.)
>>51693474
>continue bikeshedding and ignoring the meat of the argument that no legal mechanism is in place to repossess guns from mentally unstable people
>>51693492
>comparing smoking an illegal drug (not even illegal in some states) to being murdered for the heinous crime of having been a victim of rape
top kek
>>51693488
Extreme compared to what? This isn't an objective thing. Relatively extreme to other muslims? No.
>>51693341
>and US of A went to war multiple because muh COMMUNISM IS THE NEW HITLER
Hitler didn't kill half the people communism did you illiterate slut.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes
>>51693440
>and no legal mechanism is in place to repossess those guns from them.
It's called the court system you dumb fuck. Once they get arrested for doing or conspiring to do a crime, they go to a court where they are put in front of a trial. If the verdict is that they are guilty, they get their rights restricted either through a prison sentence or being forced to go to psychiatric care if they actually are "a crazy".
>>51693492
A lot of cops won't give a fuck unless you tell them that you're selling.
>>51693503
because
>being religious in (2016 - 27days) with all of the scientific facts to counter the fundamentals of any supernatural religious belief
>not being considered insane
>>51693511
What mechanism?
Police get information you are in illegal possession of a weapon, they can get a warrant, and search you, your property, and then put you in jail when it is discovered you have an illegal weapon on you.
>>51693393
>It was not Obama's actions, it has been there for at least 50 years or so,
Bush's last term: elderly Iraqi women holds up purple finger because she voted in her first election.
Obama's last term: elderly Iraqi woman beheaded for insulting the prophet.
>hurr durr it's not obama's fault!
>>51693541
we need to hook you up to a machine that generates electricity from the movement of your furious fedora tipping, then free energy will become a reality
>>51693415
>Islamic violence has been a major problem in the middle east and Europe since the religion started.
The middle east historically has actually been quite stable and reasonably educated, but it all fell to shit during the 1800s and then was finally destroyed with the end of the stagnant Ottoman Empire after WWI.
Yes, there were wars between them, but these were actual wars, not the bullshit we see today.
>Sub-Saharan Africa was nothing but savage tribes before colonialism. Though I might agree with you if you said Europe should have quarantined Africa under a 'Prime Directive' and isolated them from the world until they achieved certain things. Giving savages electricity and guns apparently doesn't work out any better then giving primitives warp cores does in SciFi.
>muh white man's burden
Why do you faggots always view this problem through some kind of "w-we're the good guys! we gave them shiny things!" lense like it really matters what the fuck they were before colonialism? It doesn't really matter, what matters is that when you take a bunch of different groups and arbitrarily draw borders around them, exploit their territory for cheap rubber and other resources, then send them out on their ass and fun civil wars, of course the place is going to be fucked up. And you can't blame anyone for continuing to take advantage of it.
>>51693476
>do you really expect me to give all documentation and details for a shitload of arguments in a few minutes?
No, I don't really expect anything of the average armchair political scientist in an off-topic thread on a technology board.
>>51693506
Actually, it was just one cop that was based and shot both of those fuckers dead with a glock.
>>51693506
>a heavily protected convention has the level of security as any random american home, no muslim will ever even harm us because of our guns!
sure thing m8
>>51693520
>being imprisoned, raped and beaten in prison for smoking weed is better than being raped in the ME
kek
>>51693556
You literally can't fucking put it on one singularl president, it's the whole instituation that's corrupted for decades.
>Bush's term.
>Bomb Iraq based on 'fact' you know is a lie
kek
>>51693440
>it's idiots and crazies who have legal, easy access to guns,
>almost every mass shooter had guns illegally, including the CA terrorists
Try again.
>>51691706
>>51692006
The pussies who disagree aren't going to listen to a reasonable man they can't easily discredit, Anon.
>>51693559
Not even him.
>>51693521
>all muslims are extremists
>>christians would be too if they followed their religion
>the definition of extremism depends on your point of view
Extreme compared to any people who are not religious literalists, which is the same definition we use for Muslims.
>>51693547
all that gun smoke really got to your brain didn't it?
let me greentext it for you
>crazy person legally owns weapons
>the public reports to law enforcement that the crazy person is doing crazy
>the possession of the weapons by the crazy person becomes illegal while the court intervenes and performs a full investigation into the matter
>>51693573
>going to pound me in the ass jail for smoking weed
>>51693573
>heavily protected
Like I said up here >>51693567 what saved everyone was a cop with a glock. That's nothing fancy and something any Texan could get in their home.
>>51693573
>>a heavily protected convention has the level of security as any random american home, no muslim will ever even harm us because of our guns!
>implying those two would have fared any better had there been NO security
Probably every Texan there was packing heat.
Just about every Texas home can say the same.
Go ahead and break down a Texan's door while yelling ALOHA SNACKBAR!
GUN FREE ZONE = TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT
>>51693603
obama said weed should be somewhere near the very bottom of young people's priorities. climate change, foreign policy, energy, and gun control are the real issues.
>>51693602
>the public reports to law enforcement that the crazy person is doing crazy
Please tell me when this occurred during any of the events leading up to any mass shooting.
>>51693599
*tips*
>>51693636
And yet he's done more drug raids than any other president. What a fucking hypocritical piece of shit.
>>51693608
>heavily protected means anyone could do the same as a group of people that were prepared from an attack
...
>>51693603
I suggest you read the stories of people that have been imprisoned, even for months before being freed without charges... some wanted to kill themselves
>>51693565
>No, I don't really expect anything of the average armchair political scientist in an off-topic thread on a technology board.
well, at least I'm not a worthless political scientist
>>51693599
*tip*
>>51693581
>Iraq rebuilding with peaceful elections
>new president
>Iraq an ISIS shit hole
YOU LITERALLY CAN'T LITERALLY BLAME IT ON LITERALLY ONE PRESIDENT I LITERALLY CAN'T EVEN!
>>51693636
Having a functioning democracy and not a police state is a prerequisite for solving other problems, and Obama is a massive hypocrite.
>>51693636
You think they put pot smokers in the same cell with convicted murderers?
>>51693636
>weed at bottom of priorities
Can't see that weed opens eyes to real problems.
>>51693656
yep, sure the president is the one signing every order, not the lower level bureaucrats involved in the DEA ATF or FBI, or local law enforcement.
did you get your mouth confused with your asshole again?
>>51693664
You can't.
There are far more people than one phony President involved in the decision making and in the act itself.
It is the entire corporate oligarchy and zionism serving that is corruipted
>>51693664
>iraq
>rebuilding
Literally all Bush did was install a shitty dictator with different politics that is partially responsible for why the country is such a shithole right now.
>>51693672
>muh weeeed
>weeed is lyfe
>weed opens eyes
>>51693601
>the definition of extremism depends on your point of view
Not the definition, but the application most definitely does with the definition "the quality or state of being extreme".
>>51693659
>I suggest you read the stories of people that have been imprisoned, even for months before being freed without charges... some wanted to kill themselves
Guess what? You're right. Sometimes people get caught up in some ass hats attempt to be "tough on drugs" and their lives are ruined in U.S. prisons. It really does happen and I agree it really is shit.
America as a whole is still 10,000x better then Sharia Shit Law countries.
>>51693659
>...
What the hell are you talking about? In Texas, you are allowed to legally open carry a handgun with a state permit which is easy to get. The security at that event was nothing fancy at all. It was just your everyday cop that had his usual gun (something available to any Texan) and he used to save the lives of all the people there.
>>51693689
>Obama has no responsibility for federal drug raids.
Nice apologism.
bottom line:
smart young people need to vote this year, or the old people will win again and trump or carson will be president.
>>51693724
obama doesn't care about pot smoking because it does'nt matter in the grand scheme of things. it's not good for you long term, and it can be treated with psychiatric intervetions in clinics instead of going to prison, but in the end no one really gives a shit because there's more important things in this world
>>51693689
>can sign executive orders that change laws
>can't sign executive orders that change enforcement of laws
>can't be held responsible for his branch of government
neat-o
>>51693713
yeah, and I'm sure you'll see when the bullets come to you...
>>51693706
>America as a whole is still 10,000x better then Sharia Shit Law countries.
those countries are NOT your problem. and they kill one each other, so how are they harming YOU? why do you care? the terrorists attacking murrica are the ones... that were trained by murrica, or that live in murrica. they have practically nothing to do with muslim countries, and not all muslims are the same. and, as I said, "public opinion" my ass
>>51693341
>in South Africa and you made each of the countries complete shit hole outside couple with bank cartels.
Those countries were shit before we got their fucker.
>>51693727
>He thinks voting for president does shit.
CORPORATIONS RUN YOUR COUNTRY
LOCKHEED MARTIN
PRIRVATE PRISON INDUSTRY
MILITARY INDUSTRY
OIL COMPANIES
NOT YOUR ***ELECTED REPRESENTATAIVES*
>>51693727
CAN'T STUMP
THE TRUMP
>>51693691
>It is the entire corporate oligarchy and zionism serving that is corruipted
Loosen up that tin foil hat, it's cutting off blood flow.
>>51693693
>Bush
>"install dictator"
Pic related. If you don't know history this recent then it's past your bed time.
Am I the only one here who feels less and less in favor of democracy the more of these shitty threads I read?
It's kind of sad to imagine that any of these dumb whiny faggots are actually allowed to vote.
>>51693713
>open carry
Woops conceal carry*. The open carry law just passed recently and takes effect in 2016.
>>51693746
>yeah, and I'm sure you'll see when the bullets come to you...
Nice FUD.
>>51693727
>smart young people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a01Rg2g2Z8
ITV:
Climate Change
ISIS
Marijuana
>VICE founder Shane Smith interviews President Barack Obama, discussing a host of issues important to Americans, from foreign policy and marijuana legalization to global warming and political gridlock.
>>51693740
>doesn't care about pot
>but does more drug raids than any other president
Sure whatever. He's just another dickwad hypocrite.
>>51693761
>He thinks corporates running America is a 'tin foil' argument.
Jesus f. Christ
>>51693764
>literally being a whiny edgelord over other whiny edgelords
>>51693761
It's basically what they did. Do you really think Iraq under Mailki was free and democratic?
Half of why Iraq is such a shithole right now is because of the shitty government we installed that marginalized and pissed off Sunnis and motivated them to take up arms against them under ISIS' flag.
never knew /g/ was so crazy liberal
then again half of it wants to fuck children so I guess it makes sense
>>51693797
Locals join ISIS for the paycheck, because they can't find any work, not because they're pissed off.
>>51693781
>whiny edgelording this hard
loser
>>51693746
>yeah, and I'm sure you'll see when the bullets come to you...
That cop did.
You walk into an office with armed citizens and you'll kill one, maybe two people before you're Swiss cheese.
>>51693746
>those countries are NOT your problem.
Yes they are, because they are exporting their people and their shit tier ideals to my country.
>and they kill one each other, so how are they harming YOU?
Were they killing each other in CA the other day?
>the terrorists attacking murrica are the ones... that were trained by murrica...they have practically nothing to do with muslim countries,
God damn we already know that those two murdering shits had ISIS contacts in Saudi Arabia and that she was a radical looking to come to America and radicalize him. How can you be this obtuse?
>and not all muslims are the same.
Enough of them are that it's a problem in the entire fucking world.
>>51693806
That also makes sense.
>>51693804
Most of /g/ is college kiddos who come here for free tech support and smartphone reviews.
>>51693752
none of that shit matters. you just use this excuse because you're SO lazy from smoking all that weed that you cant get out there at any time from 6am til 5pm one day every FOUR YEARS to go check a few boxes.
>>51693804
Why do you think stallman is so popular on this board?
>>51693797
>Do you really think Iraq under Mailki was free and democratic?
The Iraqis did. Do you know more then they do?
Oh...that's right...you're a college brat posting from a safe space so you know more then everyone.
>>51693752
>NOT YOUR ***ELECTED REPRESENTATAIVES*
Elected representatives do have power. Corporations don't control things buy taking power from politicians. They control things by giving power to the right politicians. Overcome this problem just long enough and well enough to push through some election reform and the problem is solved.
>>51693829
>a contrary opinion was stated
>finally something to get behind to add more EdgePoints™ to my EdgyScore™
>>51693804
>then again half of it wants to fuck children so I guess it makes sense
>>51693804
Quality post.
>>51692278
now this is my kinda party
>>51693776
mark my words:
Conservalords will attack this.
>>51693809
literally no real argument
>>51693835
>t. fox news evangelist
>>51693858
>if I use the ™ meme it will make it True™
>>51693893
really? then you aren't my kind of person.
-everyone who's grown up
>>51693804
Technologically sophisticated people are more likely than average to have basic scientific literacy. Scientifically literate people are more likely to be liberal.
>>51693911
>>51693858 (You)
>if I use the ™ meme it will make it True™
>has dubs
>literally has no real argument
now i've seen everything.
Rate my PC
>>51693766
>THE GUBMINT WILL COME FOR MY GUNS
Nice FUD.
see, I can do the same thing. you keep denying an obvious point: if a non-retarded terrorists wanted you dead, not even your guns will save you. otoh, if there was more control, it would be harder for them to get guns and carry them.
>>51693811
>That cop did.
he was prepared for that... wtf
>Yes they are, because they are exporting their people and their shit tier ideals to my country.
lol, so your government destroys other countries, and then you expect to keep your social status free of consequences... it's your government that cause this in the first place, and you, your parents and so on probably did nothing, and, probably, even supported your previous governments.
>Were they killing each other in CA the other day?
so, one, ONE, muslim, represents all the other ones.
by that logic, these guys >>51691250 represent murricans. well, if so, you are indeed, crazy people
>God damn we already know that those two murdering shits had ISIS contacts in Saudi Arabia and that she was a radical looking to come to America and radicalize him. How can you be this obtuse?
uh, funny, the twin tower terrorists were also from saudi arabia, the friendlier muslim country :^)
meanwhile, 6 millions(?) of syrians follow different religious groups and are leaving their destroyed country.
>Enough americans are, that it's a problem in the entire fucking world.
I absolutely agree. I wonder why the russians or the chinese just don't destroy your fucking society. you really, really need to be taught some humility
and if that ever happens, I will make sure to campaign against receiving crazy murricans.
for the nth time, read the history of your own country, and don't be surprised when shit hits the fan. if you really don't want that, do something about it... oh wait, you were "educated" into believing that the actions of individuals are more powerful than the actions of social groups.
>>51693943
zionist/10
>>51693950
>so, one, ONE, muslim, represents all the other ones.
one?
will somebody count up the number of violent islamast fundamentalist extremists in the past 30 years, please?
>>51693964
>AMD
>zionist
nice try, everyone knows that Nvidia is the electronic jew
>>51693950
>lol, so your government destroys other countries, and then you expect to keep your social status free of consequences... it's your government that cause this in the first place, and you, your parents and so on probably did nothing, and, probably, even supported your previous governments.
you seem to be under the mistaken impression that every american, or even most americans, or even many americans, or even SOME non-negligable percentage of americans are AWARE of what happens in the american government
>>51693968
let's compare, then:
>>51691250
also
>blacks shot for no reason
also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_interventions_of_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_United_States_military_operations
what's your excuse? muh gubmint?
>>51693950
The idea that bullets are going to randomly fly everywhere because people have guns is FUD. My neighborhood is white and suburban in a conservative area, and gun ownership rate is very high. Not surprisingly, no one gets murdered around here because we're educated people.
>if a non-retarded terrorists wanted you dead, not even your guns will save you. otoh, if there was more control, it would be harder for them to get guns and carry them.
Nonsense. Having a gun gives you a fighting chance against any armed attacker. I'm a weak man that could be overpowered by anyone other than the most frail women, but a gun allows me to stand on equal ground with any barbarian Muslim nutjob.
The two Muslim guys in that Texas attack had body armor and assault rifles, but they were still stopped by an average civilian cop. Despite your irrational feelings, it's a fact that the cop was able to save lives with a simple handgun.
>>51694017
have you even heard when people say "ignorance is not an excuse"?
ignorance is the whole arguments of poltards. if you tell them the atrocities their govenment has caused, they will tell you exactly what you are saying. if you talk about the foreign policy, they will tell you that every other country does the same (bullshit). if you talk about how these policies benefit them, they will tell you "america is an awesome world power"
in short, they support their governments, they love being US nationals, and want all the benefits of the destruction it causes, without taking responsibility of its actions.
>>51694063
ignorance, for better or for worse, is the condition of the public.
let's say you're muslim, and there's been a person somewhere in siberia, who's never heard of allah. will allah punish that if a messenger had never been able to persuade that person?
>>51694030
>The idea that bullets are going to randomly fly everywhere because people have guns is FUD.
waco.jpg
I used to park across the street from there sometimes.
>Nonsense. Having a gun gives you a fighting chance against any armed attacker.
If only the people standing near the boston marathon bombs had been armed, they might have seen it coming.
>>51694077
I doubt muslims care about that person in siberia. most likely, extremists will end killing one each other for not believing too much in god.
the saudis are the ones attacking the US, the same saudis that are economical, political and military partners of the US. and the ones that get the blame are the iraqis, the libyans, syrians... how convenient, isn't it?
why don't you ask your government to attack saudi arabia, then?
>>51694102
don't dodge the question with an "i doubt that's a valid question" and still feel like you reconciled the problem.
>>51694101
>comparing biker gangs shooting at each other with a valid self-defense scenario
>>51694101
So you're just going to ignore the millions of gun owners that have never committed any crime to push your false narrative?
Someone having a gun during the Paris shootings might have helped a lot. At the very least, there is one definite documented case where a gun prevented a mass shooting event.
>>51694112
god doesn't exist and I'm not a muslim, your question doesn't even make sense
now, if you want me to talk about the hypothetical situation... I can't talk, I don't even care about muslims, the only thing I know is that they are humans beings, and have problems, just like you and me.
>>>/pol/ may give you a heavily distorted view of this hypothetical situation, though. go "learn" with them
>>51694132
>comparing a prepared force with any random citizen
once again, if this happened randomly, a gun would not necessarily, magically save you.
>>51694207
>prepared force
Again, it was literally just a traffic cop and an unarmed security guard. It was not a "prepared force" at all. The cop just had his .45 caliber pistol which is given to all officers.
>gun would not necessarily, magically save you.
No but you obviously have a far better chance of survival than if you were unarmed.
>>51694132
Did I do that? No. I pointed out that bullets do sometimes fly even when everyone is armed. It's only luck that no bystanders were killed, and well meaning armed citizens couldn't have done shit.
>>51694146
What false narrative? If you've ever been in a mosh pit, you know that they can be violent places. Letting people carry guns to metal concerts would result in far more deaths than it would prevent.
I think that people should be able to own and carry guns under reasonable conditions, but the idea that arming more people reduces crime is ridiculous.
>>51694246
>If you've ever been in a mosh pit, you know that they can be violent places. Letting people carry guns to metal concerts would result in far more deaths than it would prevent.
Are you a fucking retard? Mosh pits are generally quite friendly and people pick up each others phones, glasses, etc. It's not "violent;" it's just a way to enjoy the show and have some fun.
>>51694274
>generally
Generally, that's true. It sure as hell isn't always, though, which is why I said "can be". Anybody who knows the conditions knows that fights can and do happen. Your logic is pretty typical of gun nuts: You think that because most people are reasonable most of the time, normal people behaving unreasonably isn't worth worrying about. All crime is premeditated evil, and normal people never suffer from road rage. It's a question of statistics. If one in a thousand mosh pits turns violent, and somebody gets killed one in ten times, and there are 100 mosh pits every day, how long will it be until more people have been killed than are killed per decade on terrorist attacks on mosh pits?
>>51694428
Whatever the number is, it'll be lower than the amount of people killed in car accidents and lower than the amount of lives saved thanks to the usage of guns.
>>51694442
>it'll be lower than the amount of people killed in car accidents
I do not understand this argument
>cancer kills more people than axe murders, so we shouldn't try to stop axe murders
>the amount of lives saved thanks to the usage of guns
Do you have an unbiased source for the number of people saved by armed citizens per year? Anyway, your argument is that the number of people that might be killed at metal concerts is less than the number of people who might be saved nationally. It's like saying the number of people who might be killed in bowling alleys is lower than the number of people who might be saved nationally. It doesn't actually mean anything. The question is whether more people are saved or killed nationally. I've never heard it claimed that more people are saved. I've only heard it claimed that gun control wouldn't reduce killings, which takes us back to the "only criminals ever get angry in public" thing.
Has anyone in this thread that's still arguing even stopped to think that you're wasting your Friday night / Saturday morning arguing with someone over the internet which will NOT concede any validity in ANY part of any argument you set forth?
You're literally wasting your time when you could be doing better stuff that you enjoy in life.
You're not going to convince one another that guns ownership is right/wrong or anything in between.
>>51694760
You are also spending your friday night trying to be right on the Internet.
>>51691436
>resulting from firearms
Who cares what was used? I want to see overall murder rate
>>51694207
well, you're still dodging the question. protip: i'm a freethinking atheist just like yourself, except I'm capable of debate.
