I know this is /g/ - Gentoo and Graphic Cards but maybe you faggots can put out your Fermi housefires for a minute and discuss AUDIO TECHNOLOGY.
What do anons here use to listen to soundwaves?
I'm currently looking at the AudioEngine A5+. They receive basically universal praise and the highest esteem for their price point, but perhaps there is something better at the ~$500 range, or more affordable with similar/minimal degradation in audio fidelity?
Discuss audio technology
>m-muh AKG K701s
>>51666143
Room size? Listening distance?
Saving for 8040B.
>buying overpriced audioengine garbage
You can get better sound out of a 200 dollar setup.
>>51666163
A small bedroom perhaps only a few feet away. Orientation is up the air as I'm working from the ground up on the entire shebang, but it's a modest sized room. I haven't done any measurements but perhaps 12x12.
>>51666143
>audio engine
>>51666206
Feel free to provide citations, examples, comparisons, or demonstrations.
>>51666231
You're gonna get this rec a lot, but they are not memes. No other speaker can compete at its size and price point.
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professional-LSR305-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00DUKP37C
For other components, check this out:
http://noaudiophile.com/System_Search/
>>51666251
I'm not the one looking to buy garbage. Dont need to.
>>51666295
>http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Professional-LSR305-Studio-Monitor/dp/B00DUKP37C
Thanks for the link my friend, I'll research them.
>>51666143
Don't get the meme-engines, get JBL LSR305s for that budget.
>What do anons here use to listen to soundwaves?
Dali Ikon 1 Mk2s + Dali Mentor Sub in a living room
Genelec M040s on my desk
Sennheiser HD 800s for computer
Shure SE535s for commute.
Sennheiser HD 650s and Hifiman HE-500 for whatever usage(going to sell them).
>>51666328
How's that dome/ribbon combo on the Dali's? Mid range/upper mid sex?
>Falling for Audiophoolery and MemeBL's and Klishit
Any one of these systems will get you near reference sound quality.
>>51666350
Eh, type of transducer alone doesn't matter a damn and I don't claim to be a golden ear by imagining differences just because of the transducer design(really doesn't have any inherent traits which you could generalize).
The ribbon on these is a "supertweeter"(crossover somewhere around 14kHz) and there is some elevation in the FR above those frequencies. Ends up sounding really airy on some tracks which even have audible information there. The ribbons are also very directional. Dali says not to toe in these speakers but if I don't, the top end just disappears. Compared to the Genelecs the directivity is much more linear. These sound amazing on axis, not that amazing off axis.
Benefit of a ribbon tweeter is very high SPL without running into a lot of distortion and flatter extension well beyond 20kHz compared to the soft dome. They work well together in the Ikon 1 Mk2 but I think that says much more about the crossover design than the transducers themselves.
These are balanced sounding speakers with impressive extension. Maximum SPL is suitable for most rooms isn't anything crazy and directivity could be better. Dali announced a new Ikon series but I don't think there's any information out about those yet.
>>51666388
I already own the Harmon Kardons but have an aversion to using a 3.5mm/RCA splitter. I also considered that some of what I have listened to on them, which should be remarkably thick, sounds a bit on the hollow side.
>>51666521
Thanks for the informative reply.
eris e8's any good?
>>51666648
Looks like it. That's a non-anechoic measurement taken in a reviewers room.
http://en.audiofanzine.com/active-monitor/presonus/eris-e8/editorial/reviews/eris-ramazzotto.html
>>51666295
I have a hard time believing anything audio related that /g/ recommends.
Most widely used headphones are the m50s for fucksake.
>>51666966
And /g/ hasn't recommended them in a while because they are outclassed by headphones cheaper than their price tag.
LSR305s are excellent. Learn to read and find measurements of audio gear. Only way to have any quantifiable and objective data.
>in case DIY gets mentioned
I'll likely pawn the PSW505 and assemble a DIY subwoofer in the future.
>port chuffing on <25Hz material, rare but happens
>a7x pair
>focusrite saffire pro 24 dsp
>DT 770 pro 250ohms
Picked up a pair of MS-1s because I wear rose tinted nostalgia earmuffs for that model of tweeter. My beloved MS-10s (RIPIP) had more bass but I have somewhat alleviated that by gutting a leftover Logishit sub.
>>51666966
I'm not even a regular /g/ user and just drop by once in awhile to see if there's any speaker/audio (not headphone) threads going.
I haven't heard them myself, but at their modest price point and ease of use (don't need a separate amp/receiver), I think they're the most reasonable buy. They kill in the measurements.
Caveat is that sometimes monitors are "dull" and "clinical" sounding since their purpose is for mixing/editing rather than listening for enjoyment.
That is how "flat" is supposed to sound like, but flat isn't always "good" (why we don't listen to music anechoic chambers).
Maybe some here can give listening impressions.
>>51667147
It's all a matter of opinion, but I think the idea that flat sounds "dull" is bullshit. The 305s sound great and are easily the best speakers at that price point.
>>51667166
Unless you have a lot of treatment, you're not getting a totally flat response. But that's okay (provided the reflections are working with the speakers), you want that for listening for enjoyment. The (right kind of) reflections enhance the listening experience, creating space, immersion, etc. That's why when you move to a studio setting where the setup is dead flat for editing/mixing, it sounds dull or sterile. It has to.
Good to see that the 305s work well as a hi-fi speaker. Some monitors don't.
You can go to any guitar center and audition the LSR305. Its ridiculous for its price point on sale.
audioengine has way too good of a marketing department jesus christ.
>>51667403
>audioengine has way too good of a marketing department jesus christ.
Are they the new Bose?
>>51667122
>>51666521
>directivity is much more linear
Eh?
>>51667319
>Unless you have a lot of treatment, you're not getting a totally flat response
That probably won't happen even in an anechoic chamber, seeing as these rooms tend to lose their anechoic ability below 100Hz.
>>51667545
Bose carpet bombs you with lawyer if you even get near ANC, so not quite yet.
>>51666295
thanks for more jbl-meme shit-tier plastic garbage harsh blare speaker shilling
BMR
>>51667844
plastic garbage harsh blare speaker
I like you
>>51666322
>>51666295
jbl has been shit tier for over a decade
>>51667844
>plastic garbage
and what would you rather have the wave-guide be made of?
>>51666251
JBL LSR305 currently $200/pair
Why go with active speakers? They are almost always worse than passive+amp. And if you wanted to get passive speakers that were better later on youd have to buy an amp for them adding more cost.
>>51668025
iridium
>>51668025
Braced Aluminium cabinets with liberal usage of viscoelastic damping.
>>51668247
>almost always worse than passive+amp
No.
>>51668286
"Yes"
>>51666388
i loved the old logitech style, really dislike the new speakers
i had the 250w 5.1
shit was loud enough to get cops called to a house party, and them banging on the door for 10 minutes until someone went to smoke a cigarette and saw them
still sounded pretty clean loud as fuck too
>>51668304
Whether it comes with an amplifier packaged with the speaker is not too important. Passive speakers tend to be built on passive crossovers, which are much more limited.
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>>51668315
deez?
>>51666143
>What do anons here use to listen to soundwaves?
Ears, personally.
Oh you mean "produce soundwaves".
>>51668387
nope i think a year older
they all had the metal grates over the speakers and the dedicated sound block (which they moved to the speaker in your pic because the bass nob had a habit of failing to work and being stuck at 100%)
![2015-WHT-BW802D3-2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZCs11EP.jpg "2015-WHT-BW802D3-2[1].jpg")
not owning thesE<
being a poorfaG<
I baka @ u
>>51668561
>triple 7 to tower, do we have clearance for takeoff?
>>51668544
>>51668544
These maybe? Those are the ones I still use (I have the non-wifi version though) and they still work okay 10 years old.
They are nowhere near reference, but the subwoofer is nice and speakers are decent when used in stereo mode.
>>51668670
no , here i found them
got them when i built my 5870 powered gaymen rig
>your pic
>its got a head unit
i think i need that setup, how well does it work
>>51668588
TRIPLE 7 WE'RE COMMING TO FAST
AIRBRAKES ARE FAILING
Monitors on desk, and...
>>51668747
and across the room...
>>51668768
Nice.
>>51668722
forgot pic
>>51668722
I was lying to you. The speakers are actually pretty shitty, family. But the control panel is just a terminal for the amp which is integrated into the sub woofer. So it connects to the sub woofer with a weird cable that looks a bit like VGA, but is probably some proprietary stuff.
>>51668768
>no toe-in
>1 speaker near a heat source
>1 speaker way closer to the wall than the other
>too close to the wall
>phonograph
>plant absorbing the most timbre
>stole some of the pavement tiles outside for the salon table
russian/10
Adam A7x
Focusrite Saffire Pro 40
Decoupled from the desk with a 30 degree angle from the center. I can never have two monitors next to each other because of this.
>>51668768
>all those placebo devices under the tv
God damn my man. All you need is an amp/receiver
>>51666569
>have an aversion to using a 3.5mm/RCA splitter
Fucking why
It doesn't matter as long as it's all line level (unless the amp is designed for headphone out levels, or something, which still doesn't matter so long as it's consistent between input and output)
Also
>Contradictions
>Normalfag garbage
>Obviously outrageous claims
>Beats
How stupid are you to think this anon is serious?
>>51668893
They all have a legitimate use. Could be much worse...
For my desktop I have Monitor Audio RX1s (which I am still in love with) and an emotive mini-x a-100. For my living room I have Klipsch R-15Ms (still not 100% sure. Can't find if there's anything better for the price) and an insignia receiver.
How to buy speakers:
Step 1: Disregard all online reviews
Step 2: Go to stores and listen to the speakers and compare em to eachother
Step 3: Buy speakers of your choosing
Go listen to these, they're quite good.
>>51668995
And by these I meant these: http://tannoy.com/residential/#!products_1546
>>51668995
No, doing proper research is fine, deciding to be ignorant is not.
>>51667319
>you're not getting a totally flat response
Duh. However, the deviations are pretty negligible (and random) for everything except the bass. That's the tricky part.
>yfw the LSR305's have been elevated to meme status because of Zreviews.
And people here deny how much of an influence shilling and reddit have
I'm using a pair JBL Loft 40.
>>51666143
>AudioEngine A5
>he thinks he is less of a faggot for wanting to talk about the beats of speakers
>>51667147
>flat isn't always "good"
You're wrong and full of memes.
Flat = good.
>>51669893
Flat is good in the literal definition of the word.
But not everyone likes the same sound so in the end flat doesn't always equate to good.
All my music is in OPUS anyway so I have the best sound regardless of how shitty my setup is.
>>51668768
All of that but you didn't bother to get a surround sound set up for your living room?
>>51669913
>But not everyone likes the same sound
In that case, any discussion about sound quality is useless.
Objectively, your best bet is always the most accurate sounding speaker.
You can also use EQ later, and it's easier to do that with an accurate speaker.
>>51668023
>There is a difference between jbl and jbl professional
>all these small bookshell/computer/nobass speakers
>he didnt he Cerwin Vega speakers in college
PUSSIES, I BET YOU DONT GET LAID
Going to put these old school Kenz in the bedroom
>>51670107
No timbre
slow attack
lack of definition and a lack of authority
Not to mention the boomy uncontrolled bass and the lack of full-ness in the lower-upper region
>>51670204
Sometimes you just want big dumbass party speakers, instead of hifi. It's a guilty pleasure.
>>51670204
>slow attack
>lack of authority
It's like I'm really on headfi!
>>51668025
anything other than plastic, that produces the sound of plastic, and the vibrational timbres of plastic
p.s. horns suck unless you're rendering horns imo
>>51668561
that set up costs more than my 4 bedroom house
>>51668726
truly fucking hilarious
>>51670204
Kill yourself
>>51670439
listen: fuck you
if you've ever heard speakers with cheap-ass drivers, what you don't hear is clarity because the solenoid can't cycle the fucking magnet and the cone fast enough to produce the air compression necessary to make the music sound real, or the tweeter is made of the wrong material and it produces high frequency garble and noise
"fast attack" drivers give you bass like a punch in the face with bowling ball instead of a slap with a wet foam spong, and when a singer is warbling, it sounds like warbling, not gargling
>>51670204
>slow attack
>lack of authority
Cerwin Vega has enough bass to cave in your chest
>>51670540
You have never listened to a CV speaker, have you.
>>51670540
fucking stop already. cv is eh but you really should go back to 6moons.
>>51666388
People really believe this?
>>51670540
Pretty sure that anon was just pointing out the insane description of sound
>>51670540
>attack
Doesn't exist when talking about speakers. You're confusing it with the music term, so stop using it to describe speakers
You could talk about the driver's Qms or Qes which together describe this "attack" term, but it doesn't work like how you described, and isn't analogous to your bowling ball analogy. Qts is the total damping of a system. The lower the Q, the more overdamped it is, and it'll tend to resonate less. The higher the Q, the more underdamped it is, and it'll tend to resonate more. When I say resonate, I mean it'll resonate at the systems resonate frequency Fs. The total Q of the system can also be affected by the box. Put a high Q speaker (like the ones typically found in PA speakers) in a fuck huge box and you can get Q=0.707, maximally flat. That's one of the reasons why PA boxes are fuck huge
A better anology is a weight on a spring (because that's what speakers fucking are).
>>51669736
There are numerous comaparos on these. You can even hear they are better monitors in youtube vids... Also you think Jbl who sells massive amounts of speakers to cinemas or that they ised technology which they used in 20k speakers, would net good results? We I dont even own them, but they sound fucking great.
>>51666295
+1 for this shit, these JBL's are a solid deal. I'd recommend them. Been eyeing them since my M1 Actives started malfunctioning.
>>51666231
You won't be able to perceive the quality of your low-end accurately in a 12x12. Get something more modest, and spend the rest of the cash on room acoustics: Fix first reflections in your stereo field to prevent smearing. You're going to need corner-trapping if you want to get any low-end out of that room
>>51671462
>/g/ before z
>Muh horns, Yamaha and Klipsch
>/g/ after z
>JBL and audioengine
I never said the JBL's were bad, theyre all anybody ever recommends anymore
>>51670540
Nigga, you sound incompetent.
>>cycle the fucking magnet
>>warbling
>>gargling
'Slew rate', my son
>>51666295
Q acoustic has a line up in the same price range. Never heard the jbl speakers but the q acoustic 3020 and older 2020 series are great. And they look a lot better. Those jbl are an abomination.
>>51671634
What was z?
I remember just a year ago there were rabid Klipsch fans here.
>>51671856
>Those jbl are an abomination.
Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that. They look like some seriously cheap plastic shit, the kind toys are made of at the dollar store that are poorly molded
>>51672382
Their plastic is somewhat this and they are braced with i think is mdf or wood, can't remember.
>>51666143
skullcandy ink'd.
Pretty good for the price. Especially since I'm a producer on a budget using LMMS to make trap music on a pirated copy of windows 8.1.
>>51671571
>>51671571
>Fix first reflections in your stereo field to prevent smearing.
In a small room, this pretty much means kill any within a few feet of you.
>You're going to need corner-trapping if you want to get any low-end out of that room
That's not how that works.
>>51672330
It was the klipsch tripposte speaker clique. Most of them don't post so often now.
Z is some reddit reviewer that people watch. A lot of people, apparently, so he gets money off of it. I don't get why they pay attention to him in particular.
>>51670198
Excuse the mess but we're ready for trappin.
>>51671856
>Q acoustic crap
>good
Fuck off What Hi-Fi.
>>51666143
Reminder not to reply to threads with memeengine in the OP.
>>51671634
wait people unironically recommend audioengines?
also people were recommending the lsr305 befere that overweight cunt creamed himself over them.
>>51670260
And in that case you put in some real PA speakers, not those pieces of shit.
>>51673982
>people unironically recommend audioengines
Welcome to neo-/g/
>>51674282
neo-/g/ was post-/g/uro, this is neo-neo-/g/
>>51670107
Cerwin Vega master race
>>51668247
Active crossovers are objectively superior to passive crossovers. You have no clue what you're talking about.
>>51671634
JBL LSR 305/8 are an excellent value but people overrate them to much here and act like they're as good as high end studio equipment.
Design can only take you so far when you're using dirt cheap drivers/amplification/crossovers.
That being said, they probably are the best choice at the $200-$500 range.
>>51676319
Active crossovers don't replace passive crossovers in speakers
>>51676445
elaborate
>>51670204
>lower-upper region
You mean mids....
>>51676600
Active crossovers are meant for signal crossover at line level before an amp i.e. a bi amped three way set up where you have a sub/bass cab and a speaker cab with the woofer and tweeter. The active crossover will split the signal at the point to send it to the bass and speaker then the upper signal will hit a passive crossover and split the mid to the woofer and the highs to the tweeter
>>51667844
>plastic garbage harsh blare speaker
JBL's own engineers admit the back of the waveguide should probably be filled with epoxy, but the thing is designed to be built as cheaply as they can possibly get away with.
>>51671856
>>51672382
>judging speakers based off of looks
Audiophiles detected
Current setup. I really did enjoy my A5+ upgrade from my shitty logitechs. Listening to headphones is fun but being able to listen through speakers is just different.
>>51676445
What? Active crossovers certainly replace passive crossovers in when comparing active monitors to hifi speakers+amp.
>>51676915
What you're describing is hybrid crossover which are very rare. The vast majority of studio monitors are bi-amped two-ways or tri-amped three-way at the very high end.
>>51677208
Magni +
Modi -
Could have gotten a 30 dollar DAC that performed exactly the same. I use the magni for my headphones too, AKG K712s
>>51677210
What im describing is the purpose of the two different crossovers. They where created for use in live sound applications. Most often youd have several bass cabs and several speaker cabs the signal would hit first a active crossover the would split off to the two separate power amps the to the cabs and inside the speaker cab would be a passive crossover splitting the woofer and the tweeter
>>51677298
You said active crossovers don't replace passive crossover in active speakers which is false unless you're talking about cheap PA speakers which is outside the context of desktop speakers anyway. Active monitors like the JBL 305 have active crossovers which, all things being equal, are superior to passive crossovers.
>>51677388
I never said that i was just explaining what the two do.
>>51669952
Nope. Just downgraded in fact, (you can see my B&W center sitting next to the chair.) Surround doesn't interest me anymore.
If active speakers are so much better than passive why do they always sound worse?
>>51677560
Because speaker companies can concentrate on what they do best building a good speaker and putting it in a box. When they make powered speakers they yum gotta be concerned about making a good amp that matches the speaker and one of the twos gotta give unless you buy 2k $ speakers
>>51677298
(new dude here)
no, you're describing the *application* of the crossovers in a specific situation, from an era with constraints that no longer match those of today.
passive bass crossovers require multiple nasty-huge inductors. huge inductors that are very expensive and very heavy to be putting inside each bass cabinet.
active crossovers (which were still analogue, even) were used as a cost-saving measure. they were not used for the speaker woofer/tweeter crossovers because active was still expensive at the time, and passive components for higher frequencies were cheaper.
DSP is now far, far cheaper than active analogue or passive crossover parts. it is also far more capable and intuitive to use, because it was *specifically designed* to fix the shortcomings of the old methods.
when separate amps are not a concern, DSP is king for reproduction.
I wont argue with that>>51677733
>>51677208
>audioengine
literally why
>>51666388
shit bait
M-Audio BX5 D2's
Philips Fidelio X2's
Sony cans for DJ'ing
>>51677733
Nothing can ever replace a good crossover and good driver selection. Its like some of you people don't even know what a crossover is.
Do small sound receivers exist? I just want a simplistic little box that you can plug 5 surround sound speakers + subwoofer into and has one input for HDMI or Optical audio. That's it. All these receivers I see online are huge.
I have this complete surround sound system that I received from my dad and the main receiver unit is a big hulking monster with a built-in BluRay player and shit. I really don't need that. I want to dumb it down.
>>51666388
The Harman Kardon are the best sound in this list.
There are no equivalent in this price range.
Tannoy Mercury V1's
smsl sa-98 amp
Grado rs-2's
self-designed and built headphone amp
both being fed from an smsl sd-1955+ dac
I have the Technics SA-EX100 including Technics speakers connected to my comptuer via the Steinberg CI1.
I want to get a new USB audio interface or a DAC/AMP I can also connect my headphones to and a pair of speakers.
I make music, so some good ones would be nice.
I monitor with my studio headphones though, so the speakers don't have to be that good.
My budget is $424 (for a pair), excluding a USB audio interface or DAC/AMP. Preferably below that price though...
>Audioengine
Embarrassing pleb trash
Among other things (placebophile here), I use JMLabs for my mains but I'm not saying you need to spend more than your budget, just don't ever say the word Audioengine again, holy shit. Shit tier at any price
>>51666303
Then fuck off
>>51666303
>I'm not the one looking to buy garbage. Dont need to.
/g/ in a nutshell. Hate everything that's good... can't explain why or what's better. Say shit like this instead.
I've got a pair of A5. They are pretty fucking great. I've got them hooked to a D1 and I'm really happy with my decision. Everything is a fucking meme here so don't listen to these assclowns.
I used to use Behringer MS40s, they were acceptable but I've run out of desk space since moving to a 28" 4k IPS monitor and switched to mostly headphones (Yamaha HPH-200) and a CA Minx TV for occasional use.
>>51680857
>good
>audioengine
pick one
there's one thing /g/ doesn't like to acknowledge, which is that your ear can get attuned to shitty horrible speakers, so on a certain level, the choice of speaker matters less than we pretend
that said, the logical conclusion to that is to buy cheap speakers.
or, if you want legitimately good speakers, BUY LEGITIMATELY GOOD SPEAKERS. dali, b&w, focal/jmlab, etc, you can google this shit, it's not hard.
or if you subscribe to the "my ears will get used to it" school of thought, buy a pair of fucking polks, they'll trash but still be better than audioengines and you can buy a "high end" pair of polk towers for like $300.
>>51680807
whats wrong with audioengine. They look like ok speakers.
I've got a PCI Asus Xonar connected to a small Sennheiser board (for easy volume control) and to a pair of home studio monitors. How do I get rid of the slight noise I hear when I move the mouse or the hdd works? This noise is always the same volume (it doesn't matter the volume the speakers are at). I was recommended ferrite beads but didn't try it yet, do you think it will work? Do you know any other solution?
>>51680907
>look like
yes, aesthetically they resemble ok speakers, but it's a lot of electronics crammed into a tinny shitty box driving mediocre drivers with very little actual cabinet volume to work with
they sound sloppy as fuck which is pretty typical of a cheap pair of bookshelves, but for the money they go for it's an insult
you want a sound like that, get a pair of insignias from best buy for 50 bucks and hook it up to whatever cheap amp you have lying around. boom, just saved $400
legit "active monitor" style small 2 ways exist, from real legit manufacturers, but they won't attempt to exceed the capabilities of the enclosure. you pair those with a sub, or you get a decent size speaker if you want LF (which, implicitly, you do, if you say you want good speakers).
>>51680941
You probably need a better soundcard or a new motherboard.
>>51680903
Lol you can get "decent" speakers for $30. $300 for a pair of speakers is about as high end as you get. Above that price point you're paying for stupid expensive shit that gives marginal performance gains. A good $200-300 pair of monitors will provide you with 90-99% the quality of a $1000+ pair. Which at that point, you can just build you're own speakers and save hundreds. The only reason to spend over $300 on a pair of speakers is if you're rich as fuck and just want to save the effort of DIY.
If you're a pleb, just buy some cheapo monitors and a $100 10-12'' subwoofer for dat bass and you'll have all the "sound quality" you need. Especially if you're typical college student or basement dweller living in a 10'x12' room some 10w speakers could fill.
can you recommend some speakers for my desktop arroud 200 euros. I prefere active because I have little room on my desk. Also for a few years I live in a very small room ( 3m x 6m aprox)
I dont know if I should searh studio monitors or regular speakers.
>>51681007
> Above that price point you're paying for stupid expensive shit that gives marginal performance gains.
you mean like full size cabinets so you don't have to get a mediocre $100 "subwoofer"?
unless you live in a shoebox like you said, there's no reason not to get towers. decent subs that aren't pleb garbage start at $400 or so, anything less than that pretty much isn't worth buying for music purposes, unless you only want loud explosion noises for your blue-ray collection
for monitors, I don't disagree about the price brackets.
but for DIY there's no point in going for any setup less than ~$500 or so, unless you own a wood shop. the cost savings from DIY is precisely for those "marginal performance gains" - you can duplicate the stupidity tier scanspeak $399-per-tweeter bullshit you see in $30,000 midlife crisis speakers, for a couple of thousand bucks
>>51668078
$500 a pair in Canada
Even American retailers on Amazon don't shit them to Canada
RIP
>>51681007
>$300 for a pair of speakers is about as high end as you get.
It's not. You get great value from speaker pairs within that 300 dollar price point but there's no denying you'll be getting considerable gains in sound quality if you get some higher quality ones which obviously cost more, too.
You should never forget the listening room though. Even amazing speakers will sound very mediocre in a shitty room with no proper acoustic treatment. So for your standard living room with nothing but furniture in it, there's no reason to go to high end options if you aren't doing any room treatment. Proper DSP however can make even terrible rooms sound pretty good but that's something you find from expensive professional monitor setups and usually not what people get for their living quarters.
>>51681284
>there's no denying you'll be getting considerable gains in sound quality if you get some higher quality ones which obviously cost more, too.
those gains in SQ aren't going to matter for watching youtube, listening to K-pop mp3s, or whatever
yeah, if you have a nice collection of telarc lossless rips, then by all means, go for the Utopia Be
>>51681315
You actually fell for the lossless is audibly better than lossy meme yet downplay the effects of upgrading the loudspeakers? Better fidelity equipment makes everything sound better, it doesn't matter what it is you are listening to. Just to be clear, all lossy codecs used for music listening do get transparent at high enough bitrate.
>>51681693
>there are people still willing to use lossy codecs
Just sell your shit senpai
>>51681753
My library is 95% lossless. Doesn't make a difference to the fact I pointed out. Lossy is completely fine though. I use it on the go.
>>51681693
>more accurate = better
Lolno
Enjoy your perfectly reproduced mp3 sizzle, you child
>>51681242
Canada Computers had them for $152 each for cyber Monday. I bought a pair.
Tfw got some bose companion 20s in the mail that I got for free from work but have to request they be held for pickup because niggers steal packages where I live
>>51681753
Why would I need lossless? If my entire library was lossless id need multiple terabytes of hard drive space and is have to turn it into another format whenever I want to put it on my phone or somewhere else.
Most of my library consists of v0 and 320kbps which not only save an enormous amount of space but perform equal to FLAC to the human ear which is all that matters.
If you can do a bunch of blind tests and score 100% on every single one then sure you're the one in a million with golden ears but if you're not ( and you're not) there's no reason to have FLAC other than archival purposes.
>>51682451
Spectrums don't lie. The sound exists
>>51682527
Yeah no shit but it's all inaudible differences.
Kind of like how a picture that uses more space doesn't always mean it looks any better.
>>51682451
More like why would you NOT use loseless? Even if the difference is minimal or negligible it still exists. It's just a personal preference more than anything, but I'll choose the format that has an objectively higher fidelity and reproduces the music more true to the source.
>>51682581
Show me those double or triple blind test results anon I'll be awaiting your perfect scores.
>>51670851
What's 6moon ?
>>51681007
>a $100 10-12'' subwoofer
Yuck, don't ever do that. Good subwoofers actually cost more than good monitors. And really you only need a huge subwoofer if you're in a huge room.
>>51682607
I didn't claim I can hear the difference. Loseless has higher fidelity this is an indisputable fact, and that's why people use it.
>>51682551
Bad analogy. If there were more pixels in a picture, then you can argue.
Just stay mad at your lossy sound fà m
im looking for a good Bluetooth speaker
is the Bose soundlink mini 2 worth the money? It costs less that the beats pill POS but I believe it is much better than the pill.
>>51682884
stop
>>51683111
my bad I forgot /g/ is full of autistic audiophile virgins, might as well ask Reddit.
>>51682742
There is a good 100$ 8inch sub , polack audio I think. It's not the nirvana but surpisingly good.
Still better than buying à 3000$ Velodin
Alright, so I'll be buying a couple of SLR305's with a Dayton 10" subwoofer. In my PC, I've got an Xonar DX, and I plan to connect everything to that. Now, my question is:
If I were to use the Xonar DX, would I get 3.5mm Mono Male to RCA Mono Male to output to the subwoofer and then 3.5 mm TRS to Dual 1/4 in TS to output to the speakers?
Or should I have a configuration in which I output to the subwoofer and connect the speakers to the sub?
>>51683165
reddit is the right place to ask or maybe you can google it?
>>51683428
>that set-up
>>51681122
I see ~$400-1000 subs (new) for about ~$50-$200 on craigslist twice a month.
People just want the floor space back.
I want to output to two (small) bookshelf speakers from my headphone amp. The amp has a 6.3 mm jack, no others, and the bookshelf speakers just plain old wire ports.
How do I accomplish this? I guess I'd have to buy some channel splitter or something.
>>51684086
You can't, dude. Headphone amp is a headphone amp it doesn't have enough power for anything other than headphones
>>51684114
It could work with powered speakers.
>>51682088
More accurate is better yes. And I won't considering I don't have mp3s.
>>51682527
Are you one of the morons thinking you can judge transparency from spectrograms of full band stereo music?
>>51682634
Go read it. They have nice power cable reviews and shit.
>>51684192
It's a preamp you want.
>>51682742
Higher fidelity yes. Whether that's audibly better depends on the format you are comparing it to.
>>51683836
I know this is 4chan and all, but could you perhaps provide some... Oh I don't know... Useful insight as to why you don't think this would be a good setup?
>>51684481
Nothing wrong with it. Just make sure you set up everything correctly, properly positioning the speakers and, space considering, placing the sub in a part of the room where you get the best response (google: subwoofer crawl)..
Have fun.
Serious question. Is there any reason at all to get a DAC more expensive than this one?
http://www.amazon.com/D03K-Digital-Analog-Audio-Converter/dp/B009346RSS
>>51685007
Some (second hand) Xonar will be cheaper and better.
Those cheap Fiios aren't known for good sound quality.
>>51666143
Ive got some hs8s but their in a small ass room. Was probs a bad idea but whatever. Its not like getting smaller speakers sounds better
>>51685105
You have a link to one or name of one I could look for?
why do most new speakers sound shit but over 30 year old ones good?
>>51685159
You what. Youre probs just used to the old sound
>>51685159
Placebo and confirmation bias
>>51683428
>with a Dayton 10" subwoofer
Don't bother. Save your money for a good subwoofer that is more than just a boomy mess. The LSRs go pretty low as it is.
>>51685007
It's a mystery. There's clear measurable differences between a FiiO dac and a benchmark dac, but are the differences truly audible? Not many studies out there about this but people on /g/ believe that any external dac is past diminishing returns. I personally wouldn't mind paying more for a well engineered dac because they'll have measurably higher fidelity.
>>51685105
Not necessarily true, FiiO stuff is good for the price. Xonar's also only go into your pc which might be an issue for some.
>>51685159
Probably because you're comparing high end old shit to low end new shit. In that case it's obvious what's going to sound better. Audio technology hasn't progressed much with regards to passive speakers in the last 30 years.
lol this train wreck of a thread, no one agrees on shit
>>51685230
A DAC either sends the signal or it doesn't. If it doesn't, you hear noise and static which is far from a subtle effect. As for distortion, people typically can hear 1% THD from random speech or music which is much much greater than amps and dacs today.
>>51685263
I disagree, some people share the same opinion.
Why would anyone buy an expensive DAC?
I have a UCA202 and bought a schiit modi because I thought it would make a world of a difference. Low and behold there was zero fucking difference between the two. Sent it back and saved myself a hundred bucks.
>>51685445
Because audiophiles are dumb.
>>51685159
Probably due to the bass response/extension. Older speakers typically had 10"-12" drivers in larger cabinets. Today, you have tiny 6" drivers in skinny cabinets and need a subwoofer to get any kind of fulfilling bass.
Speaker design has certainly evolved due to CAD, more advanced measurement tools, better materials, etc but a high end (2K-5K per pair adjusting for inflation) speaker from 30 years ago can still compete favorably with today's mid-end (500-2K per pair).
>In (non treated) room response of the legendary Yamaha NS-1000. That's great by any measure.
>>51684874
pro-tip: it will still sound like shit after the "burn-in"
>>51685501
Why on earth does the graph go to 40kHz?
>>51685542
Does anyone actually still believe in burn in?
>>51685548
The guy who took that measurement designed a new crossover for the speaker, so maybe he needed to see what the speaker does at that high of freq.
Not sure.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/Yamaha-NS1000.htm
>>51669736
I had the 305's before his review...In all honesty these speakers are pretty damn good.
>>51685263
You think one day anything discussed on 4chin will reach a consensus where everyone can just happily stop arguing about things? Even if the people who are actually knowledgeable are the majority, nothing will stop the influx of people who don't know jack stop running their mouths or just funposting.
>>51685333
>le ones and zeroes maymay
Shut the fuck up reddit scientist, your ears can't tell what a zero is
>>51686356
What the hell are you talking about?
>>51684218
So what you mean to say is you agree with my original point and you were just being a smartass
More accurate is not universally better, only when the material warrants it
>>51685333
Well there's shit like jitter as well. But yeah in general dacs are just a meme
Using the Teufel Magnum 5.1 Power Edition, mostly because i can't afford anything else. I've been using this system for years now and i never had any problems with it.
>>51686538
Jitter is a non-issue with any modern DAC, You can measure rather massive differences in the amount of it but it's orders of magnitude below our hearing threshold and considerably lower even in the worst cases compared to wow and flutter on vinyls.
>>51686896
do you even know what jitter is? jesus this thread has made me believe that /g/ is full of retards.
>>51686984
Yes. A time based error present only in digital systems and the comparable issue for vinyls(which I just used as an example) are wow and flutter. Jitter in DACs used for audio is generally so incredibly low it matters nothing in listening. I have never seen a measurement where it would be a serious problem to consider.
>>51682581
FLAC is mainly for archival, and why give a shit about sounds that cannot be perceived in the first place?
And FLAC have some practical drawbacks compared to lossy (v0) like:
>Higher CPU usage (low-end devices)
>Battery-life in portable units
>Heat from CPU in portable units
>File Size
>Compatibility
>Not every album/song is available in lossless FLAC
What's a good babby's first sound editing software?
Ive got a set of speakers I built myself with SEAS drivers.
Being driver by a Technics A1000 Mark 2 (power and pre amp).
>>51687766
>>Higher CPU usage
wrong. overall it's slightly lower than with mp3.
Any man got a guide on in-earphones, not headphones? Want something a bit more portable.
Tried researching, but it seems you can't trust the big news article guys.
>>51687929
If you can find them the Macaw GT100s IEMS are fucking amazing for the money. I mean amazing.
>>51687865
How do you like that amp? I have a slightly lower end model and I have to say it's a very unusual design
>>51688081
It's a nice smooth warm amp, handles pretty much everything thrown at it. It's a great all rounder really.
Which have you got?
>>51685501
My neighbor bought a pair of ns-1000 from a his brother who his a famous country music singer today, but cant remember his name since I hate country
>>51688206
>smooth warm amp
A good amp is not supposed to sound warm if its solid state, it probably needs its caps replaced
>>51685542
You've opened up a tin of shitstorm right there son.
Fucking burn-in.
>>51688206
The one without the fancy VU meters and slightly less power (SE-A800S). Hasn't failed on me yet and I've been using it daily for over a year. Probably needs some servicing now though. However I think I might upgrade to the one with VU meters in the future instead, because those VU meters are awesome.
>>51688255
Yeah?
It's always sounded quite warm compared to some other amps. Other have a kind of clinical/harsh sound to them.
I might get her looked at, see what a pro thinks. (I'm no audiophile, I just enjoy nice sound)
>>51688311
You mean you can hear difference between amps?
>>51688311
If you like it compared to the harsh sound I wouldnt get it changed if somethings wrong with it honestly. Its all about what you like.
>>51688311
>clinical/harsh sound
uh oh
>>51688311
I replaced caps in a couple of my peavey power amps, there is nothing that sounds as good as a recapped amp powering some good speakers. tbqh, when it comes to home speakers, i prefer old yamaha and nikko power amp because they have such a low noise floor and distortion. My old peavey power amps have pretty damn low distortion too after i recapped them whith higher quality caps and new op amps
>>51666143
This is the best post I've ever seen on 4chan
>>51671634
Im the one you responded to. No I didnt even watch the Z vid, I know he hypes everything he gets. It was an dedicated audio channel, but it was clear they are superior in the price range
>>51672611
He is the Archie of /speakers/. Archie is a madman in the /watch/ world. Just like z. Pretty funny to laugh at but not to laugh with.
>>51687929
/hpg/ though it would be cool of they removed the guide from the OP pasta and stuck it in the wiki.
>>51687036
Some HDMI devices have it near levels in which there might be a concern.
>>51680941
You sir need an external DAC. Its due to electrical interference you hear that shit. Any cheap DAC will do since they sound 95% the same and are outside of the pc for noninterference.
>>51681094
Dude, I think you should look into swan m100. Good quality hivi drivers and very compact but big sound. http://www.amazon.com/HIVI-Acoustics-M10-Multimedia-Speakers/dp/B00OKUAFYC
what's a cheap way to do room treatment? I just want to fill in the corners where my desk is and maybe a bit of wall close to my speakers?
>>51689174
This.
You can get one for 20-30 bucks and it'll make it go away. Don't spend anymore than 30 though.
>>51689235
You can start here. Otherwise there's plenty of information on the web just google around
>>51689225
Hey man the m10, equivalents, are 90$ on massdrop!
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