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Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™
Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", lightweight
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No news.
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Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>They’re really cheap when you buy a used one.
>Keyboards feel excellent while typing (yes, even the newer ones).
>Great durability thanks to the inclusion of rollcages and use of glass fiber reinforced plastic for the chassis. The keyboard is splash proof and spilled liquids will drain out.
>Utilitarian design - e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking solutions that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for almost every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing on the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
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Used ThinkPad Buyers Guide:
http://ktgee.net/tpg
EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA only, usually 15%+ off):
http://pastebin.com/TdZByAXS
ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads and running GNU/Linux on them:
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
ThinkPad service guides w/ tutorial videos:
https://www.lenovoservicetraining.com/
>tfw no W701ds
I want one just for the sheer novelty.
How come it's easier to use the trackpoint with my thumb rather than the index finger?
>>51653924
Personal preference?
I use the index finger for the clit, thumb on the buttons
>>51653988
Not even a preference. The movements of my thumb are just somehow much more precise than using the index finger. I started legitimetly wondering if I was using it correctly at all.
>>51653641
Would getting a T430 and upgrading the screen be a good plan or should I just go for something like the T440s? I'm hoping not to go more than ~$300-350
>>51654139
>upgrading the screen be a good plan
$50 for a chinese converter board (flickering issues?) + 1080p panel
T440s = $30 for a usable trackpad
1080p IPS models might be more expensive
I would like to confirm something that I read a while ago on the internet but was not able to fin it again...
Are the processors on newer thinkpads way less powerful in comparison to the T410 and T420? I know there is a trend going for efficiency but I just wanted to confirm if an older thinkpad can be a better desktop replacement than the newer ones.
I own a x220 and the right hinge is loose by about 3mm. I don't think it's the actual hinge rather where the hinge is attached to the lower section. Any fixes I can do?
>>51654175
I don't get people wanting IPS panels, can't you just buy a second monitor? Sure is nice but for mobile use, which is a laptops forte, a TN panel is wonderful.
>>51654188
No.
Check benchmarks if you're interested.
>>51654199
Open it up and tighten it. Look for the service manual.
>>51654219
I am not sure if you understand the difference between IPS and TN, or what. If you're primarily using your laptop on the go, the IPS is vastly superior, just for the viewing angles alone. TN is fine if it is just sitting on a desk all day but annoying as hell if you're constantly switching position.
That being said, there are some very good TN displays out there, but they tend to be on extremely massive, non-portable Thinkpads (ie, W series).
>>51654443
Yeah on the viewing angles you are correct, I was assuming that the IPS panel was glossy which is not right?
The panel on my T410 is good enough, not the best color reproduction but not the worst. Very easy on the eyes as well.
what's the best way to optimize for performance and battery life? either
I purchased a x230 with a TN panel and the regular batteries. What battery life should I expect? Should I invest in a 9 cell battery?
Are there any DISadvantages besides price to getting an x220t over a normal x220 if I won't really use the tablet features?
>>51656087
They run hotter and don't have a 9cell option.
Why is there an "ultrabook" version of some thinkpads?
>>51656132
they wanted the macbook audience
![WP_20151202_015[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gFagtEb.jpg "WP_20151202_015[1].jpg")
>it here..
time for the memes
>>51653924
its a matter of taste, i use the middle finger for it.
I just got a "Fan error" message when trying to turn on my T410. How hard is this to fix? Is it even worth fixing?
I'm looking for a new 14" laptop (*nix sysadmin needs; t400 replacement). I got 4 options:
- Thinkpad T450s
- TravelMate P6
- Latitude E7450
- Elitebook folio 1040
Help me decide!!
>>51656207
prices? love the battery life of the T450s
>>51656252
Not a rich guy, but got enough money to buy whatever i want
>>51656252
>>51656275
for this particular case, of course
>>51656207
dont even think about the travelmate. shit, Acer is not even an valid option. stay away for these trashy laptops
>>51656307
OK, I thought it was a nice option
>>51656361
Acer, unlike Dell and HP which actually have good enterprise lines, have terrible reputation in almost all categories, consumer, enterprises and even on mobiles. avoid them
>>51656307
To Acer's credit, the battery in my roommate's P6 lasted longer than the one in my T420 even though we bought our laptops brand new and he actually used his battery more than I did.
Like, fuck me dead Lenovo, get your battery shit together.
B-b-but are ideapads welcome? I just got a G51-35 A8 quad core, and maxed out the ram at 16GB, and swapped the shitty 5400rpm 1tb hdd for a 32/500 ssd/hdd hybrid, and when it gets here, I ordered a caddy that turns the DVD drive into a second disk bay and I'm putting the original drive back in.
The only complaint I have is the resolution being 1366x768. The r5 graphics that cannibalises 1GB of my ram was driving a 1080p display over HDMI and ran left4dead 2 @30fps on low, so its definitely capable of running a better display resolution. But I guess lenovo had to cheap out somewhere with a quad core apu, 8gb ram, and a 1tb hdd for $250
x230 with IPS screen and looking like new (keyboard doesn't even show shininess), gb ram adn 320 7200rpm hdd for 300€. Good deal or horrible deal?
>>51656392
>consumer grade line from lenovo.
eh, no. while they are gud machines, are not up to many standards that make business class laptops to shine above the rest.
and besides, i have some qualms about AMD on laptops. my last experience with an A6 wasnt really good. (it was even slower than my old coreduo x60)
>>51656151
.....the screen wont turn on...GOD FUCKING DAM IT
>>51656430
>>51656151
ouch, blacklight issue maybe? did you tried an external monitor?
btw, fellow WPhone bro i see.
>>51656430
I GOT TO SEND IT BACK...FUUUUUUUU
>>51656392
>AMD mobile processor
>1366x768
>5400 RPM
>Shared graphics "chip"
Literally all the stock options you listed are horrible, as are Ideapads. The only ones that are worth buying are the Y series, and even those have gotten worse.
>>51656453
how would i deal with that? i dotnt have an adapter.. the hdmi port does not fit..
How the hell do you use the nub, and what's the purpose of the extra set of clickers?
>>51656513
think about masturbating your girlfriend by massaging her clit (or yourself if you are a girl, for one i don't care)
these clickers are for the trackpoint (the nub), you move the nub with your index or middle finger and use the thumb to click these, like a mouse.
>>51656513
You push it where you want the cursor to go. The buttons are for use with the clitmouse, so you never have to take your hands off the keyboard.
Just disable the trackpad and solely use the clit for a few days and you'll get the hang of it. Eventually you'll wonder how you ever lived without it and find yourself reaching for it on any keyboard you use.
the back light of my t420 is bucked the only thing it does is blink the little flash light i just bought it...kill me..
>>51656513
takes a bit to get used to it but then you probably will never use a trackpad again, in fact i believe most of us have the trackpad disabled.
>>51656132
Technically the X1C 3rd gen fits the bill, but it's not a true thinkpad and having soldered RAM is also a turn off
>>51656584
das right mane
>>51656584
fucking this. I disabled my trackpad for a week and by day 3 I was mad I didn't do it sooner. Trackpoint is GOAT.
>>51656584
>>51656579
>>51656535
I'll give it a shot. Right now it seems uncomfortable as fuck but I'll take your guys' word for it.
>>51656419
Anons?
guys my think pad dont work on day one, send it back?
the dual trackpoint-trackpad setup, i believe, was just a lenovo change to appeal masses.
like the chiclet keyboard.
>>51656634
dont worry you eventually will get the hang of it, its more useful than the trackpad as you can get all the screen without having to move your finger away from it. and forget these accidental pressings when typing furiously
>>51656650
yes, if it was bought from lenovo send it back and they will send you a new one.
if its from ebay ask for a refund or a replacement.
(unless you are a technician and could repair it)
>>51656650
>>51656430
If it wasn't sold as "parts" or "for repair" or "condition : lolidunno" then yes.
If it was and you expected fully functional but didn't get it, nut up and fix whatever's wrong with it.
>>51656650
just out of curiosity if you bought it online can you post the listing?
captcha, i shit you not, it asked for limousines and i select a bike and went through.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-T430-14-Laptop-PC-i5-3320M-240GB-SSD-HDD-8GB-RAM-Windows-7-/191741169768?hash=item2ca4aa1068:g:5UAAAOSwys5WWKZY
Is $380 a fair deal for what this guy is offering?
I know it's $30 dollars more than the outright buy it price in the guide, but so are most of the deals on ebay. It has a professional refurb.
Another question I have is about batteries. Do you trust sites like laptopbatteriesexpress? Where do you get them from?
Lastly, I rarely see information in listings talking about IPS or TN. Is it safe to say if nothing is said its a TN display?
Thanks /tpg/.
>>51656478
Eh. I only buy AMD products anyway. The shared graphics is perfect for my use since I bought this laptop for uni. The r5 more than handles e-lectures in full screen, and the machine itself is very snappy (better now that I swapped out the 5400rpm drive for a ssd/7200rpm hybrid drive. The resolution is disappointing though.
I fucking love the full numpad though.
>>51656700
>>51656712
yeah i bought a complete t420 from newegg it was a refurb and has a warranty i'm filling the return slips right now, will make sure to bitch for over night/rush delivery. QUESTION the thing came with a free charging station do i send that back too? >>51656735 >pic related http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834319464
>>51653655
http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Lenovo-W701ds-Laptop-/131635126528?hash=item1ea610a100%3Ag%3AQ9sAAOSw5ZBWKRpB&nma=true&si=aLFJ5UpwRp%252FgmBIFaoycVtZNNPU%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
I'm assuming this is vastly overpriced?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/252181618899?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
>>51657128
Maybe a little bit. It does seem to be a very well-equipped unit in great condition, with a docking station, sleeve, two batteries and an SSD included. I don't know if all that is worth $300 more than a more basic unit though.
t440, t440s, t430, or t430s? I don't care about the trackpad.
>>51657128
Yes, even with the i7, SSD and IPS panel.
>>51657128
>>51657174
>>51657396
haha well it just sold for $620. Didn't expect that, but I'll keep looking for a non-stupid price.
My t420 should be here soon. I am upgrading it to the maximum.
I have one question though. I am using the t420 as my pen-testing computer.
Which wireless card does /g/ recommend that supports injections? Just in case the one that comes with it doesn't support injections?
I am unsure what card it has because I accidentally deleted the specifications of the hardware.
Thanks. I eagerly await your responses.
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>>51656132
Everyone liked the X300, but Lenovo decided to stray away from the X series and make it more like the S series laptops.
I think the Yoga was supposed to be a MacBook ripoff.
>>51656193
Try dusting that bad boy, if that doesn't work then you'll need to buy a new fan, or its not connected.
>>51656855
You should probably send that back too, but message them just in case.
>>51657252
T431
anyone know how to reset a BIOS password on a X100e?
Noob here. Can i take a ssd hard drive from a t410s and put it in a t420? Im thinking not
What are the pros and cons to the X220 tablet version? Is the standard version simply better?
New X220 owner here. Cooling pad recommendations?
Tried a Zalman with my 17-inch Toshiba Satellite, but it totally failed me. I want my new Thinkpad to last as long as possible, and can't afford it overheating.
>>51658164
Turn off Turbo Boost, use TPFanControl, repaste only if absolutely necessary because it's a huge pain in the ass. You shouldn't need a cooling pad for an X220.
>>51657846
>T431
...you're making my life too complicated. Why should I pick the t431?
>>51658209
>Implying I'm running Wangblows
What's an alternative to TPFanControl for Linux?
>>51658304
I'm just kidding, T430 if you want to save some dosh unless you can snatch an IPS T440(s).
>>51658160
Tablet is a bit thicker, but you'll get an IPS display no matter what.
Also tablet batteries are not compatible with non tablet machines.
>>51658454
Alright that's what I thought. For some reason the tablet versions with the same specs as the non-tablet versions on eBay seem to be selling for a decent amount less and I was curious as to why
Anyone have experience buying from Craigslist? I see a T540p with 1080p, i7, 8gb, nvidia graphics for $400. Am I getting played or
>>51658416
Thinkfan
>>51658637
Some dude was selling some of those for that much.
Maybe, just test the thing in a public place, check bios if its locked, they might be a recycler
>>51658637
It's old tech, might be a locked bios but a lot of people irl just have no idea what they can get for shit. 400 is about what they should be going for at this point, demand be damned.
Alright /tpg/, I'm probably gonna buy myself (another) thinkpad this christmas, just to mess around with it and cry myself to sleep over the holidays.
So I have a few thinkpads already, and I'm trying to make a list of the GOATest ones.
Currently I got:
X220 (main system, 8GB ram, ips with mSATA and HDD for some ~2TB storage space, 9 cell + slice, can use VGA and displayport to plug into 2 screens and also mouse + keyboard for dual monitor setup at home. Love it, and don't plan on buying an expensive laptop as a replacement for years to come. It only needs a higher res screen and better graphics to be unbeatable)
T60p (14.1 inch, the best laptop keyboard I've ever used. I'd love a 15 inch 1600x1200)
X201 (supposedly it's the same keyboard, but it feels cheaper, perhaps it has inferior domes or something. Still love the shape of the system, and that 16:10)
T40 I got for a laugh. screen res too low 1024x768, too slow for much more than trying old linux distros and emulating very old games. Cool aesthetics though.
As far as I know the other great thinkpads are the X60/X61, the X60t/X61t, T420, and apparently the T430 and X230 are actually okay.
I might get an X60t or X61t, they look cute as fuck. Is there much difference between them?
Should I just get the memest thinkpad, the T420, or is the 1600x900 screen really that bad?
Maybe look for a cheap deal for a 15 inch T60p 1600x1200, or a X220 tablet to doodle on?
What thinkpad would be fun to try next /tpg/?
>>51658209
>tfw x220 runs at 50-60°C idle and 80-90°C when watching 720p video or playing just indie shit
That's with Power Manager and TP fan control active. Is it time to repaste?
>>51659234
You haven't experienced what business is like without having a t or w5xx. Bigger is so much better. And you don't even notice how big it is when you use it, just when people get out their little baby laptops. The fucker is massive in a really sexy way.
besides using a mouse, is there anything that can be done about trackpad wear?
>>51659360
>using the trackpad
>when infinitely superior trackpoint is right there
>>51659360
>using the trackpad
Cui bono?
>>51659360
Literally touching the touchpad ever.
Dude that's only acceptable if your index finger is numb from giving the clitmouse multiple orgasms
>>51658088
Anyone?
>>51659445
It may just be a matter of having the right harness for the drive. No idea if the 10s is a 7mm or a 9.5 and the t420 line is universally 9.5 except for my t520 which apparently has a 7mm but can fit a 9.5 with a different harness. It should be possible.
>>51659335
Don't think I'd get a W series unless I was moving somewhere abroad for a short enough time to not need to take my screens, but long enough time to want large screens, a few months or something.
The W520 and lower aren't more powerful than my X220 anyway, and the W530 onwards are more costly and have a new keyboard that, while being better than most, aren't as good as older thinkpad keyboards. I'd rather wait and see what the W560 is all about.
As for T series, I've been thinking about getting a T420 or T430 for a while. The only reason I'd really want a T430 over a T420 is for the better integrated graphics, it would be fun to run some games on it a bit better.
I don't see myself getting a T410, T400 or T61, they don't appeal to me, they're slower systems, and the only reason I'd get an older T series that I can see is a T60p for that 1600x1200 screen experience.
Mostly I'm choosing between an X60t/X61t (for its cuteness), X220t/X230t (to doodle on and use what's already inside my X220, though it's very upsetting it has no mSATA and only allows 1 drive, meaning i'd have a small SSD inside only), or T420/T430/W520/W530 (for larger 1600x900 or 1080p screen)
Cheap cute slowpoke,
doodle4chananimumachine,
or big screen >forwork machine
>>51659408
>>51659410
>>51659442
idk, i like trackpads
i set tap gestures on and it's just fast
i also use the trackpoint, but i'm not great at using it and it feels slower
>>51659548
I'd go with the x tablet because I almost bought one but upgraded my t520 instead.
The 1600x900 screen is nothing special, although it is better than most laptop screens, wish I'd gotten the gloss when I ordered it. Bright as all fuck though.
It's a really tough decision. I couldn't live without the extra screen size because hooking into a monitor is annoying and I stream video so I don't have to, so I recommend the 520, but I'm really feeling the age of the integrated graphics in it.
>>51659548
>he doesn't know the 1920x1200 beauty of a 15.1" T61(p)
>>51656419
Not a great deal but if its in condition I'd probably get it
>>51659788
I am immensely put off by the left bezel being larger than the right bezel on T61 thinkpads. That resolution and size is great, don't get me wrong, but I'll probably be going with a X220t or X230t
>>51659739
Do you mean T420 or W520? Also if you feel its graphics are starting to age, and recommend an X tablet, how much better is HD 4000 on X230 vs HD 3000 on X220?
Sort of unrelated, but will using DBAN on a hard drive fuck with the UEFI in any way? I am looking to ditch a few computers, including a Thinkpad T430 and an Ideapad Y510p. I want to do at least 3 passes of random data rather than just a simple format but I'm not sure what effect this will have.
>>51659826
Well except X220t/X230t have edge detection issues, possible ghosting due to the IPS screen and shit 1366x764 resolution
>>51659335
>And you don't even notice how big it is when you use it, just when people get out their little baby laptops
This, a million times this.
I'm still using a W510 as my main computer, but I never really take it to school because I take notes on looseleaf. However, just last week I took it to a group meeting and I was reminded of just how massive this thing really is. It absolutely dwarfed the Macbooks Airs and Asus Zenbooks my groupmates were using. What's pathetic is the ancient i7-820QM could probably hold its own against the new low-voltage i7s.
>>51659739
External monitors are a pain in the ass. Once you've used any resolution above 1920x1080, it's hard to go back.
>>51659234
What will suck for the X61T is that you'll need to do the middleton bios and swap out the WiFi card, that shit is hot.
IMO I liked how cute the X61s was.
My 14" T60p was a solid laptop, if only it was IPS it would of been timeless, way better than a T61 if the same form factor, its crazy the build difference.
I'd say see if you can get an IPS T4x or T6x.
Fun fact, the X32 was made because a lot of people complained about how underpowered the X40's were. They still used the same graphics processor as the X31 just an updated CPU.
The X201 uses a keyboard of its own, X series keyboards are slightly different.
Maybe get a T430 if its cheap.
>>51659788
I would love to get a WUXGA Z61p.
Think they'll figure out how to put an ips in the t420?
>>51660114
Its been done/in the process...
You can get a kit for like $60 i think
>tfw not even using my kit I got
Maybe when a model comes by my work ill get one.
Got Xubuntu running on my new used T420 that just came in today. Feels good man.
Now what?
>>51660144
I thought they only had kits for the t420s?
>>51659335
the army uses t60/1/p/s
they are not large
>>51660151
Consider the implications of using some businessman's leavings for the sole purpose of your own entertainment.
>tfw egpu set up coming in mail
>tfw cost almost as much as my laptop
>tfw need two adapters to connect to my tv
>tfw 750ti
>>51660184
Sorry?
>>51660221
He's implying that T420-chan is used goods and you're pathetic for fawning over her.
>>51660270
Contrary to what one may be led to believe, semen does not drain from the keyboard and can in fact clog it up.
>>51660342
oh.
how to into themes?
>>51660498
well you see, a theme is a string or thread of inter-related and connected ideas- that is they all share something or a few somethings in common. some themes are vague, like courage, or depression, or the futility of war, but other things are specific, like recurring symbology in a painting or architecture. The key to recognizing themes in a work of art or some other thing is to find the connections that link each disparate part together. for example, my windows theme focuses on the color black, and a muted minimalism. I try to keep things as simple as possible. it doesn't mean that everything must be the same, but at least similar. instead of a flat black background i could have a dark geometric pattern, or a photograph that features primarily dark, muted colors.
even in thinkpads the main theme is understated professionalism- everything is dark and the only bright bits serve to contrast with the darkness and accent it. so you get chassis's that are very dark, matte and utilitarian- nothing flashy or tacky. the only real color on the system is in the mouse and the leds. It tells everyone "hey, i'm for working, not for fucking around on facebook"
>>51660679
deep
Generally what should I pay for a x220 with an i5?
Is there a place to buy one that isn't Ebay or Craigslist?
>>51661684
ebay is usually a good place to buy from as you get the buyer protection in case you get fucked over
>>51661684
I paid about 230 for mine. That was on ebay with a 320 gig HDD, 4 gigs of ram, 1366x768, and i5-2520M. Upgraded the balls out of it though, but I'll probably be switching setups soon. Check your local computer shops if you wanna get one not from ebay, but you're gonna get ripped off that way.
Is the clit a meme or do you guys really use it instead of the touchpad? Mine is arriving tomorrow and I wanna know if I should force myself to use it until I master it
is anyone thinking about getting either of the new thinkpads, p50 or p70?
http://shop.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/thinkpad/p-series/p50/
>>51660114
Chinks figured it out
They apparently used a LVDS to EDP converter PCB to allow use of specific IPS displays with T420 hardware
When I return from work later I'll be attempting to contact the chink responsible for supplying these boards on 51nb
>>51662153
it's seriously one of the main reasons to be using a thinkpad in the first place. if you're not going to use it, getting a thinkpad may have been a mistake.
>>51662153
Disable the trackpad and force yourself to learn the clitmouse
You won't regret it and every future non thinkpad laptop you use will never feel the same
I'm a CompSci student and there's this one supreme gentleman with the usual neckbeard and sometimes my little pony tshirts in our class that's basically the laughing stock of the school, guess what he uses as a laptop, a Thinkpad ofcourse.
>>51656087
Thickness, inconvenient hinge.
Has anyone found a way to put a 1080p screen on the X220 or x230 yet?
hi guys, which thinkpad should i buy? i've got ~ $1000.
>>51663986
You should buy le maquebouquet from appelle
>>51663998
i hate apple
>t. winfag
>>51663986
What do you want one for? There's a huge amount of models, all suitable for different niches. At your budget you have access to just about any of them, but that doesn't mean you should spend all that money on the Thinkpad itself. Money not spent on the main unit can be put towards docking stations, extra batteries, hardware upgrades, Ultrabay stuff, and other such things.
>>51664117
i don't play vidya, i don't really need so much performance either, i have a fine desktop at work for that. just a simple machine for home use like surfing internet watching movies etc.
i'm between a t420 , x220 and x220 tablet. the t420 is 200$ the x220 220$ and the x220t about 260$.
I will be using it for school (programming) and general browsing so it will be loaded with windows and linux (don't know which yet) and a bunch of programs.
Is the x220 tablet that much better to justify the price diference from the non tablet one? How useful are tablet controls outside of windows? Does the t420 run cooler than the x220? Also is the price and upgradeability of the t420 worth the extra bulk that comes with the larger screen?
>>51664189
An X300 or X301 might be comfy. They're terribly weak with ULV Core 2 Duo processors, but the screen resolution is decent for the size and the keyboards are apparently top-tier even among Thinkpads.
Alternatively, it's hard to go wrong with a T420. Very good general purpose Thinkpad, currently leading in price/performance. Just make sure you get one with a 1600x900 screen, the 1366x768 option is crap. If you're not too concerned about battery life or upgradability, you can consider the slim variant (T420s) as well. You don't have to worry about getting a better screen resolution, since they only come with the 1600x900 option. They also have USB 3.0, which is nice.
Although for movies you might want a better screen than what the smaller models can offer. The T520 is effectively the same as a T420, but being an inch bigger means it has better cooling and a 1080p screen option. Check out the T510 as well, while it's basically a weaker T520 it should still be more than capable of what you want from it while being cheaper and more common. If you don't mind dabbling in a bit of modding, there is also a 1080p IPS mod for the aforementioned T420s, which would be even better than any of the standard TN panels available in the 15" models.
>>51664264
The maximum battery size for the tablet is 6 cell, vs 9 cell for the non tablet, but the 6 cell on the tablet sticks out the back like the non tablet 9 cell
Otherwise, the i7 tablet doesn't get USB 3.0. The main bonuses are the touchscreen and wacom input. Although if you really have no need then just get the normal one. Oh and IPS is guaranteed on the tablet whereas it's a shitshoot with the non tablet
desu, I wouldn't bother with touchscreen outside of Windows
The T420 (assuming integrated) uses the same processor line as the X220 but has larger heatsinks so it should arguably be cooler. But it really shouldn't be a major issue unless you max it out on a regular basis on your lap
As for upgradability, unless you're hell bent on daring to stick a new processor in, the X220 is more or less the same. Just hope it's a 1600x900 otherwise you may want to find that panel or your experience will be slightly more miserable than the X220
As a matter of personal opinion - after getting used to the 12.5" form factor, I've grown to love it and now 14" is too big for everyday use for me
>>51662466
Update on the T420 IPS mod
Chinks say they don't have stock of the inverter board at the moment, but they'll pm me on 51nb if they get it
>>51664381
thanks. great post
>>51664454
I don't really mind a TN panel over an IPS. I had a TN monitor for 5 years before breaking it and now I'm on IPS and I personally see little difference.
Is the low resolution on the x220 enough (does it look okay or does it look weird like it does on my fathers t61)?
>>51664523
It's the same 1366x768 as the lower T420. It's usable but fitting two windows side by side is generally a miserable experience
Bear in mind that the crappier of ThinkPad displays are quite shit, even by TN standards
>>51664523
The quality on the tn displays is all over the place. Some have a very nice viewing angle like the 1600x900 on the t520 but most are fucking awful in every way possible. And once you go 15 inches, nothing else will satisfy you. Black is very slimming.
I have a T410 and works beautifully on Windows 7, is it worth it to upgrade to Windows 10?
Also why is there no insta search on Windows 10? Looks inferior to 7's start menu.
>>51664821
>And once you go 15 inches, nothing else will satisfy you.
Kek
>>51665041
I'm of an age where 4:3 was the norm and the loss of real estate is murder on my eyes. With this, it's almost like 2 10 inch screens turned sideways. Not very impressive, but better than everything else I've used. Especially compared to higher resolution screens like the mac where you can't fucking see anything no matter how big it is. Doing anything side by side is painful on the little screens. I was stuck on a netbook for the better part of 2 years and got the biggest beast I could afford the first chance I got.
>>51662201
No, much as I love a numpad for [spoiler]dorf fort[/spoiler], it looks shit.
Just to warn you guys, if you're looking for a x220 tablet and you are in Europe, there's a sellout currently in Ebay.
More than 10 x220 tablets with very good looks and good battery, currently less than 80€ and 3h to go until the auctions are over.
>>51665222
The seller currently only ships to Germany, it seems.
>>51662153
yes the clit is a meme
the clit buttons however are not
>>51664883
you start typing, it starts searching
Is $300 USD too much for an X220 with an ips display, 8 gigs of RAM, I5 and 320GB HDD?
P50/70 available in the UK. Just a heads up. The website is still failing as is normal for lenovo UK.
Starting at ... £1700. Funk you lenovo, funk you a lot.
>tfw T420 left hinge already loose after a few months
RIP desu senpai
Gonna buy a x220 for $200 USD with the following: i7, 8gb, ips, ssd drive (not sure the size) and in almost new condition. How would i do?
>>51667058
Bretty gud
>>51665128
I think he's talking about penis
Found an offer on a local site:
> T400
> dock
> charger
> 4 GB RAM
> 250 GB HDD
> Centrino with 2.66 GHz
> would be approx. USD 120
Not worth it, right?
>>51667090
More like TwinkPad amirite
>>51666767
No such love for Canada. We're still stuck with the ol' shitty W541 here.
>>51664381
I have an X300, got it for free from my old office, actually. I take it with me when I don't want to lug around the W520 and the associated power BRICK. It's fine for some light document editing or web browsing, seems snappier under Windows 10 than Windows 7, but I would definitely not want one as my primary computer. The X301 is about 30% faster but that is not saying much considering a base T400 with the P8400 will absolutely smoke either of them.
>>51653924
>spot the bassoonist
>>51667058
In Europe 200 bucks would hardly get you any x220. And if it did, only in its lowest config with multiple cracks and a relabeled keyboard of course. Life is unfair.
>>51660065
>My 14" T60p was a solid laptop, if only it was IPS it would of been timeless, way better than a T61 if the same form factor, its crazy the build difference.
>tfw the T60p's chipset can't address ≥4GB
I have one, and other than the fact that it often sucks battery, (can still undervolt very liberally in Win7) the lack of that extra gigabyte of memory annoys the shit out of me.
>>51667801
fwiw, it'll get you an x201
why should I get a T420 instead of a T420s?
I'm thinking of getting an x201 tablet computer for mainly music editing on the go, taking notes in class (I want the touch screen for doing my math notes on, is this a good idea?), and maybe some emulation. I'm mostly concerned about the music editing and the touch screen for writing notes on. Would this computer be a good choice? Or are there any other recommendations that fit my needs? I'm finding it on eBay for really cheap, like around $100-150, so that would be a pretty fucking sweet deal for me because I have a job that doesn't pay me too well.
>>51668542
i just sold my t420 2 days ago :)
>>51668542
Only the T420 supports 9 cell batteries.
Is anyone here selling a x230?
>>51668542
The normal T420 is said to support OS X better, and replacement parts are roughly twice as easy to find on Ebay (and cheaper, too.)
The slim model is lighter and slimmer (NO SHIT!) with USB3.0, but all the ports are on the back (what the fug.) You could probably just shove a cheap USB3.0 expresscard into the normal T420 and match the T420s's single USB3.0 port, with ports to spare. And yes, the battery can be 9-cell on the normal model. It sticks out the back about one inch, but it looks fucking cool anyway. I do not know whether the battery is as easy to replace on the slim model, as it seems to just go in some random location like on the T30.
It seems that one of the screw-holes for my X201's keyboard, on the lower-left side, has fallen off and journeyed somewhere inside the laptop. If I take out the keyboard and put it on my workbench, can I just crazy-glue the standoff/hole back onto the underside of the keyboard? I've used this shit to repair many non-electronic parts in laptops, before, and it usually keeps them in place long after the part's lifespan ends. I don't want the keyboard to pop out when I pull on the palmrest, it looks weak.
>>51668905
There's only one way to find out
Does the T520 screen better than T420? i personally own the t420 and can't stand the bad viewing angle of the t420. Does the t520 suffers from the same problem?
>>51668845
but if the slim part worth it? and is there a difference on performance?
>>51669017
>worth it
If you have ever lifted more than 5 pounds any time during your life, no. The slim model is barely smaller, anyway, and the plastic shell barely weighs that much, so it's fucking pointless, and people this concerned with weight/size would be better of with the X220.
>difference on performance
Probably a completely negligible one related to heat dissipation and GAYMING.
newfag on /g/
what is a good thinkpad for below 300$
I just want a good battery life and to be able to use basic drawing programs like paint tool sai, manga studio, possibly photoshop etc
screen size: would prefer 15.6''
thanks (^_^)
>>51669217
Read the OP
>>51669261
read the buyers guide and the wiki already, could use advice given the fact that you are more experienced in this matter :)
I fell for the meme guy's. Last Friday I ordered a T450 to replace my shitty 2011 mbp, It arrived early this morning. I have to say that even from today's usage alone I think I am going to love it.
I got the i7 and the plain hd screen since I don't care about ultra HD or touch. I have a 256 gig m2, a 512 gig ssd and 8 gigs of ram coming. Is there any thing that I should do to it to make my experience better. I have already disable all the spying stuff of windows 10.
>>51666801
RMA that shit, if it is new it is under warranty.
>>51669299
I'm getting a sarcastic/condescending vibe from this guy. Nobody provide any real advice.
>>51668946
Fill every crevice in the keyboard with crazy glue?
>Own T420
>Bezel breaks on top left and right corners
What do /g/
Thinking electrical tape
can someone explain this?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CHEAP-IBM-Laptop-X201-Laptop-Win-7-Core-i5-4GB-2-4GHz-160GB-Webcam-Warranty-/201448755297?hash=item2ee7481061:g:8hkAAOSwYHxWHjKw
says it has 4 USB ports and firewire...
where and how do they put them?
>>51669815
They put them in the LIE.
>>51656584
Fucking this!
I'm using an x230 t and I prefer the clit even over the touch screen.
Haven't used the trackpad once.
Not even considering getting a mouse, comfiest shit ever.
>>51669835
so it's a scam?
>>51669986
Probably, or he thinks a VGA is a firewire or something
>>51659863
Yea i've seen the edge detection issues, but for doodling it won't be that much of a problem, I wouldn't draw towards the very edge most of the time and when I do I could just zoom in to the edges of my drawings or whatever. 1366x768 is decent enough on 12.5inch, and I can plug it into my monitors when at home anyway. IPS ghosting (on my X220 at least) is pretty minimal. I draw for a hobby, I don't require accurate colours for a job or anything.
Still a shame it's not perfect though.
>>51660065
The X61 and X61s don't seem that different to me. I don't know much, but they look pretty identical. I also love the taller shape of the laptop - the screen is a little more raised from the keyboard and you have a longer palm rest this way, which makes typing nicer for me.
>T60p > T61
My nigger
a T430 would be cool, but I think I will get an X220t/X230t for christmas. I really want to see them 2016 thinkpads, in case the T460, W560, X260 might actually be a potential replacement. Also that retro styled thinkpad.
Any major differences between X230t and X220t?
looks like both have an mSATA slot which is good
The X230t has a mini displayport? are there minidisplayport to hdmi adapters?
I can still use my X220 slice on the X230t right?
Are there 2 models for touchscreens? I'd like it to work with fingers as much as pen, I think the X220 has some sort of 'outdoor' screen, and the finger touch screen one. All the tablet screens are IPS anyway right?
>>51670009
weird. doesn't look like a scam. the account is old and positive
gonna email and request pics i guess.
it's a good deal for an x201 in europe nevertheless
Guess my thinkpad?!
>>51670354
An Edge, Mr.
Thinking of going for a T430 but the screen quality is making me unsure. I just want to be able to watch a movie in bed or play civ 5 once in a while and not be distracted by the screen.
I'm not too picky though, so coming from a
Dell ST2421L 24-Inch Screen LED-lit Monitor
and
Samsung Chromebook Series 3
will it be good enough?
>>51670595
I think your Dell Monitor has way better quality than the T430.
Maybe look for an X230? Don't they have IPS panels?
Can I get a hand identifying this thinkpad? http://gonzalezcatan.olx.com.ar/vendo-notebook-ibm-iid-845582100
>>51670732
MX420 w/ Chorizo 1.8Ghz Processor
>>51670818
>Chorizo 1.8Ghz Processor
Me meo tio
>>51670416
wrong!>>51670354
good idea to buy a used SSD for a thinkpad?
So I gave up and installed Windows on my x200s. I feel dirty, but at least my tablet works
I have an X201t and my battery is starting to get worn (50% wear).
I found out that despite the huge size, it's only an 8-cell rated at 66.240mWh. So that'd mean the cells are like piss-weak at 8.280mWh each. I've seen six cell Dell batteries with 65mWh.
So could I pop that sucker open, replace it with better cells and close it up? Where can I even find better cells?
>>51672286
From the previous thread:
https://hackaday.io/page/247-replacing-lenovo-laptop-lithium-batteries
Good luck. If you have the skills and are ballsy enough to spot-weld batteries, it can be done.
I'm genuinely surprised, /g/. The w530 I bought for $400 flies. Maxed out dark souls 2 on max settings with the k2000m for the price range, it's amazingly powerful. Anything else I should do to it?
My eGPU stuff came in the mail, and after some retardo-tier niggershines getting it to fit in memory it's working.
Intel HD4000
-6500 3dmarks
-35 average fps in Talos Principle
750ti
-21000 3dmarks
-60 average fps in Talos Principle
Not the best 200 dollars I have spent, but it's pretty high up there.
Will this battery be decent /g/ ? One I have now is tired and cracked.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-9-Cell-Battery-for-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-X220i-X220T-Tablet-42T4877-42T4879-/141832081234?hash=item2105d9cf52:g:CN0AAOSwAYtWLv2D
>>51669506
ditch winblows
>>51672922
Nice chinkshit battery. Buy OEM.
>>51672743
What thinkpad?
And, what are the normal fps on a desktop for that gpu, vs the fps on your thinkpad?
Can it output 144fps on a few older games? Id love to use one of these on my 144hz monitor
>>51662153
Clit is a meme left over from the days when all touchpads were resistive, total shit with sticky plastic.
They would actually make sense on 7" laptops because of space constraints, except those all just use cap touchscreens now.
It's nice to have the trackpoint as an additional option, but somewhat irritating to use when it's the only pointing option (x200) since we've been spoiled by good capacitive touchpads now.
The three buttons are great though.
>>51656430
>>51656513
Late, but you might be retarded.
>>51672922
>http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-9-Cell-Battery-for-Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-X220i-X220T-Tablet-42T4877-42T4879-/141832081234?hash=item2105d9cf52:g:CN0AAOSwAYtWLv2D
I bought a chinkshit battery, it *sorta* works. Laptop won't recognize the battery on startup, it just gives: 0190 Critical Battery Error on bootup regardless of state of charge. What does work is to plug it into power until you're past BIOS, then you can disconnect the power. Usually like 10 minutes into linux suddenly it will start recognizing the battery again, sometimes not.
I'm using it now as a shitpost machine around the house (on battery) but it wouldn't be acceptable as a general-purpose field machine due to the need to jump start it every time.
Currently in talks with the seller to get a refund, he's playing coy/like it's my fault but I only paid $15 or so, not too chuffed about it
>>51672572
How the hell did you get a W530 for $400? I got my W520 for free and I'm still jelly.
>tfw Quadro 1000M
>>51670354
>SUBMARINER
>1000 feet = 300 metres
>That's metric
>It's what they use in Switzerland
>Where this watch is made
>And it's officially certified too
>Not just any chronometer, it's SUPERLATIVE
>Did we mention it has a self-winding rotor?
>That's what Seiko calls AUTOMATIC
>Fuck Seiko, they're inferior yellow whores and we're not letting them compete in our observatory contest
>Not because they will win, just muh art of watchmaking
Gee I dunno, are there any Thinkpads with a wall of self-promotional text on the lid?
>>51673165
won a bid that had poor seo on the listings, gonna install a 500gb ssd and 16 more gb of ram
>>51672743
Breddy gud, you paid less than $1 per FPS. Now play Fallout 4.
>>51673192
How bad was the SEO? Like did they even mention it was a W530?
What a great deal. How much RAM is in it now?
>>51673296
16 gb and a 500gb hdd, has 2 more slots. it had w530 at the end. biggest reason for k2000m is for 4k 60hz monitor driving which should be good for the next 3 years or so
T420 good for a daily carry?
I'm finishing up computer and electrical engineering and I have to carry a laptop with me quite a bit.
its down to a T420 with 1600x900res or a x220,
-
I've found in work i mostly do very light coding, read tons of fucking pdfs on figuring out bullshit.
I occasionally work on CNC / CAD software at work as well, mostly for testing purposes, After everything is set up we typically use much more appropriate computers for the jobs.
It's a somewhat industrial environment, so I rarely get to sit at an actual desk, it's mostly find a clear enough spot and plop down for work.
-
I've considered buying a new laptop, but they seem to have pretty meh specs, unless you get a workstation replacement, or a gaming one.. and even still they're all plastic pieces of shit.
Tested an older edge, better than other laptops, but still not rock solid.
Want just a beater to use that's powerful enough.
-
I've been using an older netbook and it's just fucking painful.
I haven't with a bigger laptop in so long, what if i can't handle it's 14 inches of glory!?
Seriously though,a t420 isn't a huge pain in the ass to carry around is it?
I can get a T410 for relatively cheap in europoor funds in good condition.
Should I go for it?
>>51673402
I've edc'd a t420 for the past few months, I just toss it in my backpack, but carrying it isnt a bother. I have maybe another 5lbs of shit in my bag on occasion and it isn't that big of a deal then either.
>>51673656
So whats the con with the slim t430s compared to its norm bro?
>>51659007
what does "locked bios" mean?
>>51673402
>T420 or X220
>CAD
While I can't personally testify for it's carryability, I'm going to vouch for a T420 with dedicated graphics so you can actually run CAD decently.
>>51673604
Sure, I'm from latin america and a T410 was the best I could get.
16:10 aspect ratio is a godsend, and it's pretty sturdy, make sure you get the 1440x900 display.
>>51673934
aight mane, thanks
gonna fucking dump my mac onto the grave of Steve Jobs, fucking screen crapped out on me after only two years. fuck that piece of shit
>>51673866
administrator password locked
>>51674013
You'll probably miss your mac's display but can't beat having a system that will probably outlast you.
>>51673877
I'll keep an eye out for one.
From my experience a lot of the software we run, works pretty well on i5 machines, even with integrated graphics. Just need plenty of ram. Just don't plan on multitasking like a boss.
CADS fairly minor, any and all intensive work is to be done at a desk on a workstation.
Just gonna nab a T420, if i need super portability that bad later on i can break out a shitty netbook.
>>51653641
>http://pastebin.com/TdZByAXS
pastebin is kill
>>51674569
Fucking jews.
>>51673261
>buying games on release
>>51673071
It's an x230. Idk about fps
>>51666767
yeah holy fug i thought the p50/p70 would be a little bit cheaper...
>>51675190
They have the P50s for poorfags like you and me.
I know this may sound weird, but hear me out. I think the keyboard on my T410s is better than the one on my W520. Nust has more of a "clicky" feel to it. More tactile feedback. But they look like the same keyboard. Was there some sort of degradation from the xx10 to the xx20 series, or are there different suppliers, meaning not all Thinkpad keyboards were created equal? I wonder if the two can be swapped.
Why are x220 and t420 still the preferred choice over newer models?
>>51675777
Literally memes
>>51675777
Most won't compromise on a chiclet keyboard.
There hasn't much by way of performance improvements since the 220 series.
People are holding out for the retro thinkpad.
Poverty.
Hey guys.. I want to upgrade my screen on my Thinkpad T440P, to a 1080p IPS.. Where can I get a high quality screen that has been tested for cheep?
>>51675721
different suppliers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/2pc75z/my_thoughts_after_replacing_my_t420_keyboard_alps/?sort=old
There was other result that linked to a japanese site which also confirms those FRU's for each keyboard.
Why is Intel wireless performance absolutely fucked in Ubuntu derivatives?
>>51669542
>too late
>have to fix this myself and don't know how
At least the T420 has good documentation.
I either order the part or do some weird fix i saw floating around on google.
Bought the thing in mint condition and it was so good. I only noticed the wobble when my friend pointed it out.
Using this thing while riding public transit probably accelerated this. If anyone has some tips, i'd be all ears for when I attempt the fix. ;__;
>>51676133
uhhh, screw the loose screw? You have to open the computer.
For an x220 should I get a slice or a 9 cell? Slice reportedly has better battery life but its a 6 cell. Forgive my retardation, but wouldn't more cells mean longer life?
>>51676133
>If anyone has some tips
You know how this works.
>>51675777
>cheaper
>comfy keyboards
newer thinkpads
>LONGER battery life
>backlit keyboard
>concave keys
>literally better in every way
just dont get shit 1366x768 models
>>51676331
You forgot something
>no dedicated volume button
t420 wins nigga
>>51676331
>>literally better in every way
>"literally"
Yeah, because "better in every way" is usually an expression.
>>51656776
No, I recently bought a T430 with similar specs but without the ssd for 220. Keep looking for deals.
>>51672926
I'm to normie to go to leenux, I am utterly inept at it.
does anyone else sometimes get a bsod from ataport.sys when undocking their laptop?
This thing arrived today and I am supposed to decide of my work place buys these for all the employees
Any heads-up that might cause problems with this thing
>>51679325
where the clitmouse at
>>51679325
If I were given shit like that at work then I'd bring my own..
Skona dem.
>>51679325
what the fuck is that
Has anyone managed to get the fingerprint reader working in Linux?
Mine shows up as 08ff:2810, which looks like it should be supported by fprint. Somewhat hesitant to install a bunch of libraries just for shits and giggles though since I currently have a working system with fast boot time and not sure I want to jinx it.
Any experiences?
>>51679344
no where it's supposed to be used by teachers and they don't need them
>>51679356
I do but I'm going to use this over the weekend to test it and give my opinion if we should get these
>>51679376
Helix
>>51653641
GUYS!
I just got an X220 from an eBay bid.
It has these specs:
Intel i7-2520m
4Gb RAM
160Gb SSD
USB 3.0, etc.
And I got all of this for €220.
I'm pretty ecstatic and only have two questions:
1. Is this a good buy?
2. What is your experience with the x220 and what was your favourite linux ditro? Further, how was the battery life with the distribution?
did you get this from the syracuse guy? mine is running great got it today also. It runs a little hot though? 60c when browsing 90c when watching videos/playing hearthstone
So I bought a Elitebook 8460p from eBay for £117.99 inc. shipping because it was missing a charger and HDD, but works otherwise.
What arrived was an 8470p
hmmmmmmm
>>51679659
oh and it's go ELEVEN days warranty left
>>51669506
also have 2011 mbp, ordered the 450s today, with i5 1080p ips and 4g ram, probably will buy ssd and extra ram when it ships
does it have extra empty slot for ram, or only 1 used up by 4g?
>>51672743
How are you connecting it? ExpressCard?
>>51679618
Congratulations, I'd watched that auction too and did expect it to rise further, the same model in exact same condition sold for 300€ just a couple days ago:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Lenovo-ThinkPad-X220-Core-i7-2620M-2-7GHz-4Gb-160GB-SSD-Windows7-UMTS-Cam-BT-/231765382977
Do you plan on replacing the broken palmrest?
