gaming on server hardware, is it possible?
>>51637192
No, but hosting the server on it is!
Linus literally just uploaded a video about this
yes and people do it all the time
its just generally not recommended sine its beyond overkill and more pricey.
>>51637240
Torvalds? I didn't know Linux had games!
>>51637244
more costly for little gain and most server stuff doesn't support "gaymen stuff" like sli / crossfire.
Yes.
>>51637240
post video faggot.
>/v/
>>51637192
yes. it's still a normal computer.
>>51638485
Why so many cards? What are those?
>>51638519
looks like soundcard, USB card, gigabit ethernet and wifi to me
I'm in the (slow) process of building a home server. Are the stock fans good enough for heating?
>>51637192
There's nothing impossible about it, it's just that it's suboptimal.
>server hardware is expensive
>servers can use 10, 20, any number of cores, and don't need them to be all that fast individually
>games can't use more than four or maybe six or so, and respond better to high clock speeds
>servers can put 64GB of RAM to good use, games can't
>same with storage and networking speed - servers can use it, and therefore have it, games generally can't
but if you need 20 cores on two sockets and 128GB of RAM for something (Maybe you do scientific computing or CAD or who knows what) and want to play TF2 when you aren't doing that, there's nothing stopping you.
>>51638485
there's nothing sexier than a computer full of expansion cards
>>51639094
that depends entirely on what case you're using and what hardware you're planning on putting in it. "server" is a role, not some magical type of hardware. If I take a gaming computer, or a raspberry pi, or a laptop, or some other unlikely thing, hook it to a network, and make a samba share on it, I've made it into a file server. People talk about "server hardware" because it's whats commonly used for "real" server duties. Anyway we're so used to overclocking and huge graphics cards that it's easy to forget how little cooling you can actually get by with for a lot of things.
>>51638485
so sad a intel pentium for $80 is faster than both of those opteron.
>>51639468
haswell based pentium*
>>51638922
>sound
>>51637303
Was just posted 16 hours ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epIlB49SNTI
>>51637244
>>51637255
obviously it's not worth it if you buy the server new, but it could be worth it if you pick up a cheap (yet still powerful) second-hand server off ebay.
main problems are noise and space.
Honestly, I often end up recommending the Xeon E3 1231 V3 in place of an i7 because it's cheaper, only downside is lack of an integrated GPU (which is unnecessary for gamers who have a dedicated GPU), and fits on standard consumer LGA1150 chipsets.
Now, some Xeons (the low power ones) are not good for gaming as they lack single-threaded performance. However there are still quite a few ones that just happen to be great for gaming in addition to their multi-threaded tasks.
>>51639468
that's why you go with nehalem xeons these days.
Checking in.
I was disappointed with Linus' video, not only did he do some really stupid shit (buying a completely inadequate motherboard) but the ridiculously low budget meant he had to use such old shit that it's really not worth the hassle.
Yes older high end stuff can give decent performance for the money (doesn't even need to be dual socket, but it helps) but there are limits and if you're budget is really that low there are better options.
>>51641038
linus' build didn't even have an audio card.
since I've started paying attention to these builds, your build has been the only one I've seen get away without doing awful hacks to fix major issues.
>>51641174
My motherboard also doesn't have any audio outputs, however it was the best board I could find and I have a USB DAC anyway.
>without doing awful hacks to fix major issues.
Yeah, that's because I do a lot of research before I buy and don't just jump on the first board I can find. The only mod I did due to the board is modifying the CPU socket backplates to fit the coolers, but you need to do that with any dual socket 1366 board.
>>51637192
Why wouldn't it be?
And why would you waste so much money on any real server hardware when your shitty "hardcore" AAA garbage won't even be able to utilize a quarter of the power it will put out?
>>51639468
No shit? Those are like 10-11 years old now.
this anon has my wet build dream
>Oldschool mac pro tower, the silver thing
>2x 18 core intel xeons at 2.7ghz each
>256gb of ram
>asus z10pe motherboard
>2x AMD firepro w9.1k saphires
>creative sb zxr sound card
>six 1.2tb intel 750 SSD's
>mericruiser 4825 cooling setup, using flourinert
Can you imagine? I have never had a computer with more than 8gb of ram, ive never even had a computer with a dedicated graphics card, my best processor was an older i3, ive never had over a tb of storage, i can only dream what it would feel like to be able to use any modern program with 0 lag
>>51641607
If you're going to waste that much money on a desktop why wouldn't you at least buy real GPUs with it?
>>51639501
>sawing a fucking 980
Jesus christ
>>51637297
>this is server hardware
>>51641848
It was a baby.
>>51641873
That grew up.
>>51641677
Here's your reply.
Chekeking in, it's totally posible and I'm upgrading my setup soon, just ordered 2 980ti and a x8dt1-f some extra ram and watercooning parts (and an actual case)
>>51641677
w9100's are god tier graphics cards, just about the best card you can get if you have the money lying around
>>51637297
Server hardware, maybe
Server software...
>>Windows 10 Home
... no.
Also why the random drive sizes?
>>51637192
>Can you kill an ant with a nuke?
>>51637252
Nice meme bro.
>>51643729
>waah waah not everyone knows about some shill from jewtube
>>51639491
>sound on a server mobo
tiptopkek
>>51643703
is that a no?
I guess I'll join in too
it's nothing special though, I want those 16 thread xeons
also it's nearly impossible to get a shot of the inside with the lights on and have it not look like jj abrams had a seizure
>>51642926
>16gb gddr5
>>51639730
>Honestly, I often end up recommending the Xeon E3 1231 V3 in place of an i7
mah nigga.
1230v2 reporting
>>51643484
It's a $330 build.
>>51643900
How do you like your build? It looks really similar to the one Linus did in his video, and I have been seriously considering building one like the one you have.
>>51643745
You're literally posting on /v/-lite.
>>51643989
it's alright, nowhere near the single core/thread performance of newer systems, but excluding the drives the whole thing was ~$550, which is pretty damn good
If I built another, I'd rather have a newer system with ddr4, I have to add a SATA3 and USB3 card just for modern functionality, but they work fine
I got that specific board because it had audio built in and I've had bad experiences with add on audio cards, and the layout itself sucks if you want sli/cf AND modern I/O
>>51644042
>excluding the drives
I saw the $550 and was sitting there for 5 minutes trying to figure out how you'd managed to do it fro $550 with at least $350 in drives.
>>51644391
I upgraded it a few times, the inital build had a 5850 I got from a guy for $20, and the extra I/O was also added later along with the ssd
$40 for both cpu's
$100 for ram
$120 for the psu
$100 for the case
$200 for the board
$20 for the initial gpu
I lied, closer to $600, I don't remember if the board was $200 or $300 though
>>51643900
HDRi nigga
Take a high exposure picture and a low exposure picture
>>51639501
>16 hours ago
>hey guys use this $50-off code for this shitty chair that's gonna expire in a fuckin' day
Does he do this shit all the time?
>>51639501
I don't care about gaming, but that might be cool for a dev rig.
>>51644765
You can get DL360 G5's for ~$150 shipped with twin 3GHz 12MB cache C2Q Xeons.
>>51644942
Link? That would be perfect for my research.
>>51645041
Looks like prices have gone up a tad. Savemyserver usually had a 2.66 or 2.83GHz one at around 150 with free shipping. Not right now, though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL380-G5-Server-Dual-Xeon-E5440-QC-2-83GHz-16GB-2x73GB-P400-DVD-RPS-/171362335703?hash=item27e5fdbbd7
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL360-G5-Server-2x-2-66GHz-E5430-Quad-Core-8GB-2x-73GB-P400i-1PS-iLO-/191617267715?hash=item2c9d477803
>>51645142
Damn, seriously considering ordering one right now. Better read up on it first though, never dealt with server hardware before.
Could I just load Ubuntu on one of these and start using it as a local network web server right out of the box?
16GB dual PSU, $160. Seller ain't savemyserver, though.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-Proliant-DL380-G5-server-QUAD-CORE-2-83GHZ-16GB-RAM-P400-CONTROLLER-/272010058376?hash=item3f55101a88:g:73AAAMXQATlRZ1Nc
>>51645216
And no hard drive. But it should take any SATA.
>>51645210
Be warned they're going to be noisy. And power hungry. If you pay for electricity you'll be better off with something newer since it will pay for itself in a year. 300W idle vs 80W idle is a big difference, and 550W load vs 150W is even more.
I don't have any experience with them. If mfenn is still on Anandtech's General Hardware, go there and ask him. He seems to know everything corporate from Big Iron on down.
>>51645300
Hmm, the power usage might be a concern. Guess I will have to look into it more. Still, interesting to know that old servers are a viable option, never even considered it before.
>>51638485
A single APU and 2GB DDR3 would destroy this setup.
>>51640929
Look at the fucking state of that.
>>51645366
An APU isn't even close to a 650 Ti, and even XP will choke on 2GB nowadays.
>>51639255
Sometimes, if you can find a compatible intel Xeon for cheap, they can be pretty decent for some games.
mostly source games, because jesus christ those things eat up your CPU
>>51637192
Had 2x opteron 8435 with 32 gb ram and a shitty vga and it worked just fine, the only limit was the shity gt 560 ti amp vga
>>51641935
I'm guessing you didn't do any research again before ordering that motherboard, you won't be able to SLI on it.
Really if you've got the money to blow on two 980ti's and watercooling you may as well get a more modern CPU and motherboard, this is coming from the guy with watercooled dual Xeons and two 290s (I'm moving to a 4790k).
>>51637192
With rackmount machines noise is serious issue.
>>51644616
The video was already uploaded a week ago on vessel so...
Hey /g/ does having 2 cpus increase game performance?
>>51647069
No, it's twice as slow.
>>51647069
No. Most games (or even consumer software for that matter) is not optimized for the NUMA architecture.
Switching between the two "nodes" and the two memory banks will actually gimp you bretty good.
>>51641038
Those GPUs are bottlenecked out the ass though. A single 290 gets a better Valley score than that using a modern CPU, with far better minimums to boot. What's the point in your setup when you could just buy a modern platform and a single card for the same money and get better performance?
>>51637192
You can run xeon+i7 dual cpu on lga2011, you can't run dual i7 though.
>>51647256
go easy on the guy. most people who have had the pleasure of owning a multi-gpu setup have sworn to not do it ever again, myself included.
>>51647256
As far as I can tell the CPUs aren't bottlenecking the cards, it just seems like there's some Crossfire issues in some benchmarks. Now the issues could be caused by my particular setup some how (something to do with the motherboard perhaps, or a driver issue with dual CPUs) but I don't think it's bottlenecked. I have a 4790k on the way so we'll see how the scores changed once that's in there.
>>51647312
I'm curious now, why not? Never had multiple GPU's.
>>51647747
in my experience it has caused far too many problems and very little palpable benefit. newer games have issues like missing textures or other glitches, while most older games simply refuse to run. you can get a performance gain, which ranges from decent to negligible (depending on the game), but only if it doesn't break the game in the first place. you eventually reach a point where you get fed up with turning off crossfire everytime something breaks and just leave it off permanently to save yourself many a headache. oh and you're also paying for 2 cards instead of one.
>>51648002
...plus the rest of your hardware has to be able to accomodate an extra card, such as a high power PSU and at least 2 PCIe slots on the motherboard, decent airflow inside the case, etc. not exactly a problem for most people, though some do shell out extra cash for kilowatt power supplies.
>>51637297
What screen wtf?
