General computer building thread.
I'm getting tired of my notebooks shit and decided to build the niggerest rig I could, and I managed to bring the costs down to 182$, but this is the first time I build anything so I come to you for pointers (inb4 0x1000,0x2000). Any more details you need just ask.
What I'll be doing with this computer basically:
- Web development with LAMP, MEAN stacks, low level programming with assembly and C, basic utility scripts
- Watching 1080p movies off jewtube (local turkish tv station uploads their shit there weekly)
- PSD editing (nothing too big)
- Might fire up a livestream / ustream feed in 720p or 1080p
My questions:
- Will 250W supply resist for the motherboard, 32gb SSD, ram, processor, built-in G1840 fan combo?
- Heard G1840 could cause problems with H81, is this true? Do I have any way out of this?
- Will the cpu + ram combo withstand at least 20 tabs in chrome? could sluggishness exist with a dual core? I remember my old E8400 rig with 2gig ram could handle that but that was in 2010 so things might have changed.
>>51460600
sorry for the formatting btw
>>51460646
What language is that man?
Also cont. r9 380x build optimisation pls (placeholder gpu).
>http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/qtPCTW
>>51460832
turkish lel, looking into your build to see how you could reduce price / add superior components, for now i can say that the i5 4960K might be an overkill since you got the radeon 29 380 on deck, you get an instant 30 sterling off by switching to 15-4460, ram and motherboard is good, what kind of gaming you do and how much space you need? you could be better off with a 60gb SSD
>>51460600
No. The PSU won't do. Even IF 250W was adequate (it might or might not be) it's a nobody garbage brand, meaning it probably has a constant performance of considerably lower than 250W which is its peak.
No idea about your CPU question, but consider the Pentium G3258. It's better and unlocked too, if you wanted to raise the clock speed for more performance. It can go really high even on an H81 motherboard. Reportedly 4.4GHz with the stock cooler runs just fine. Far, far better than a stock Celeron G1840 at 2.8GHz.
There's no way in hell that RAM is enough for 20 chrome tabs unless you want to deal with massive slowdowns if many of your tabs contain any media. The CPU once overclocked will do a better job.
Your SSD is too small. A fully updated Windows 7 installation takes at LEAST 20GB, and often upwards of 30 or even 35GB. On top of that your desktop, your temporary files, your documents, and other shit like that is going to take space on the main drive. You better be using Linux if you want this SSD to work for you.
>>51460975
Mainly>>51460975
Honestly I just want most games at 1080p/60fps inc. Fallout 4 and not have to upgrade for a while. Does Windows 8.1 fit on a 60gb SSD?
rate
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TLhfwP
>>51461080
Adding on to the power supply, some cheap, decent quality PSUs that have more than enough power even with an overclocked pentium, are the Corsair CX 430, EVGA 430W, and as a last resort the EVGA 400W, in that order from best to worst. At least one of these might be affordable in your country.
And if you can somehow in some way find a cheap Seasonic SSR-350ST, that's the best by far, but I doubt you can find one that cheap.
>>51461147
Get yourself a i5-4690k, it's a common mistake to purchase a Z-board without a k-processor. If you're not going to overclock, get a H-board instead.
The rest is fine.
>>51461147
>tier 4 PSU
Anyways, heres a black friday build I worked on for a friend.
GPU/CPU from Microcenter, GPU/SSD from newegg on black friday.
>>51461229
Best H board then?
>>51461080
>>51461207
Well there's no fucking way I'll make a build below 200$ with those lol (I was a little inspired by the /g/ hobo build meme), I guess for 100$ more I can cop the Pentium G3258. I am indeed using Arch Linux with dwm, qutebrowser, and other light console apps which all take like 2.5GB on the disk and a tiny loli / traps / memes / reaction faces stash so I'm not very worried about disk space. The PSU indeed shows 200W regular / 250W max. There's also a quad core J1900 board (built-in cpu with heatsink) for 99$, but I don't know if it's fast enough for muh 20 tabs. So you guys are saying 8 GB minimum. Thanks bros.
>>51461286
If you're not fussed, a Gigabyte Ultra durable or ASUS one.Or check out what features you like. Go through each one
>>51461263
Looks good.
>>51461147
That motherboard has a really high failure rate. Replace it. You don't need a fucking caviar black. Downgrade to blue and invest the money into getting 16GB of RAM, or a better case. Garbage ass power supply. Overkill GPU. Personally I would downgrade to a GTX 980 and invest the money saved into other parts, namely upgrading the CPU to an i5-4690k, then upgrading the case to a Fractal Define S (windowless) and finally if you still have money left over, upgrading the garbage ass CX 600 into something decent like an EVGA Supernova 650 or a SeaSonic M12II 620 Bronze which for some stupid reason is not on pcpartpicker.
I understand if you really want to keep the 980 Ti though, but at least replace the mobo with one that isn't defective half the time, then downgrade the hard drive, and remove the cooler (you can't overclock that CPU anyways unless you upgrade to a 4690k) and invest it into the power supply and case.
>>51461339
Whadabout msi H97 pc mate
>>51461105
Sorry for ignoring you brah, so yeah the i5 4660 will be perfect for 1080p/60fps for fallout as a thread in tomshardware says, you can get a motherboard at 30 sterlings without AMD crossfire, and the 60 gig SSD will be fine since you'll be storing most things in the HDD and small parts of the game will fit in the remaining 40 gig on the SSD for faster loading. Since the GPU handles most of the graphics processing (and yours is pretty decent) you'll be set.
>>51461263
Drop the ASUS optical drive. You will literally never use it. Ever. Invest the money into your PC case. Some options in that price range that are way better than the mid quality 200R everyone seems to have decided is a good case, are the NZXT S340 and the Fractal Define S (windowless). There are other decent things in the price range but these two are the best quality/price ratio in my opinion.
>>51460832
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/C2qtZL
Why not go skykek senpai.
>>51461392
Which 330 board? They're all mATX
>>51461336
Look at your local prices. Generally anything made by EVGA, Seasonic, Superflower, Corsair, or even Thermaltake or Silverstone is going to be much higher quality than this Everest piece. If it's any of those brands and it's ~300W or more and it's affordable, it's probably a good bet.
I'm surprised the EVGA 400W isn't affordable. In the states it goes for like $20.
>>51461450
£ 30*
fuckin clover
Any feedback welcome
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/zhK2GX
>>51461361
Z97 PC MATE is actually cheaper for some fucking reason. It's a Z97 variant and it costs less. Win-win. Get that one.
>>51461147
159mm heatsink, 160mm case
scary
>>51461361
Yeah, that's not bad. Something a little higher quality if preferable. I mean, you're not obviously on too much of a budget.
You PSY would also do with a swap out I forgot to add. CX series aren't the greatest. You'll want something with quality materials. SeaSonic, SFP, etc.
>>51461347
Nothing wrong with Caviar Black. He's obviously not on a budget.
>>51461483
Add a CPU cooler. 750W is a tad too much.SSD for booting up/Crucial software. Rest is fine.
>>51461392
60GB SSD will absolutely NOT be fine unless you are trying to cut every single penny. If you are gaming you are on Windows. If you are on Windows expect half of the entire 60GB drive to be the OS. Expect another huge chunk to be temporary files. Then there's the paging file, then there's the desktop environment and the entire documents section including a ton of shit like saves that games love to store in the documents directory and cannot be changed, some of which can take a ton of space.
At this point if you drag/drop extract a big file like a 10GB game iso you can fully expect that shit is going to fail due to utilizing temp file space. You'll be forced to do things like manually extract to the hard drive via specific entering of the directory every time. Something that is surely inconvenient and undesired.
Stick to 120GB.
>>51461450
If you care about crossfire, this
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h81m
And if you dont, this
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/part/msi-motherboard-h81mp33
that's a 30 sterling drop, and if you get the i5 4460, that's 60 sterlings saved.
Here's a thread related:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/72729865
>>51461473
There's this by some brand named bross, included cables are on the bottom of page
http://www.extraucuzluk.com/urun/bross-atx400-power-supply-400w_381732.aspx?CatId=7982&ref=akakce&v=1.27.7
the only brand that sounds like someone else might have heard of it is redrock, and that's like 30$
http://www.extraucuzluk.com/urun/redrock-power-supply-450wpfc-kutulu_381746.aspx?CatId=7982&ref=akakce&v=1.16.1
>>51461572
Neither of these boards are Z97. At this price point you are getting a razor thin PCB and trash quality levels on the metals used for the components, and I'm willing to wager, low quality soldering relative to their higher value items.
Don't get any of this shit.
>>51461080
Dude, a fucking Celeron hits 70 watts max. You can run one off of a PicoPSU or even a laptop brick with no issues. I have a Pentium G3220 in a ThinITX board that uses a brick and it runs fine.
Searching for 144hz 1440p 27" screen, ISP.
Not matte if possible.
What are the best ones?
making a red build. What is the best under $150? Highest I'll go is $200.
>>51461699
I had a feeling the dude was exaggerating but kept it shut cuz I'm not experienced with these things, what's your PSU?
>>51461731
I mean gpu. My bad.
>>51461749
R9 380. $170~$180
>>51461734
There isn't any on mine. The power requirements are so low I use a standard 19v brick. ThinITX boards have a direct DC in plug on the back.
>>51461707
ASUS ROG Swift PG279Q
>>51461789
Damn, so my fucking laptop charger could power this thing up. Nice
>>51461707
Any desires in response time? Want it to be brand? It goes from 290$ to 1290$
>>51461809
Everyone recommends it but I want to go with AMD's Fury X so the G-Synch would be bit wasted I guess.
>>51461820
No desires in response time, I'd get TN if I'd want full game performance or some shit. Just not laggy either.
>>51461820
For sure, also if you aren't going ThinITX then you can just get a PicoPSU and adapt your standard motherboard for it.
>>51461820
Or you know, you could invest almost no money more for this first psu
>>51461671
and swap the celeron chip for the similarly priced pentium g3258 then overclock it to 4.2~4.4GHz with the stock cooler which would help tremendously.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/vttz4D
Can't see this getting anymore optimised ~£600 but I'm open to being correccor.
Any of you jumped from 144hz to 165hz screen? Was it worth it?
i will get a used case and already have an external drive for all my shit
i want to do 1440p on a budget, what do yoiu guys think?
will an FX-6300 be a bottleneck?
>>51461483
Fury black, and r4 black over white with a krait. You disgust me anon.
What motherboard and processor (with overclocking possiblities) should I combo with Fury X?
I take it hte processor would be something from i5 or even i7.
>>51461882
Dropping the CPU from a 4690k to a 4460 was a mistake. A difference of ~30 pounds will get you up from 3.2GHz to 3.9GHz turbo boost, and then later down the line if you decide to invest in a 20~25 pound Hyper 212 EVO cooler, you can easily, easily overclock it to 4.5GHz.
That's a ~22% increase in performance just at stock speeds, and a ~41% increase in performance with a cheap cooler added.
>>51462027
Might as well just get a 6700k
>>51462051
I was looking for 6600.
>>51461855
Higher wattage PSU is also bad for the pocket and environment, I can always return the PSU if it's too weak, but will do go to a 250W - 300W regular power one as a balance inbtw.
>>51461994
I'm sure you're disgusted by people who have enough life to not care about that stuff, I'm glad I'm not you buddy
>>51461838
There's a funny quirk to this display, you can't put the resolution lower than 1440p, but it's cheap and seems reliable
http://www.amazon.com/HP-ZR2740w-27-inch-Backlit-Monitor/dp/B005MR4P0W/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1448163660&sr=8-5&keywords=27+inch+ips+2560+1440
>>51462027
fx 9590 with a h100i for full ayyy.
>>51462027
At that kind of budget you definitely don't want to get an unlocked part.
First you have to ask yourself if you have any applications that will utilize the hyper threading an i7 provides. If so, i7-4790k. If you are just gaming, i5-4690k. You want to pair either of those with a cooler. A cheap Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO is enough for a modest overclock.
As for the motherboard, there are a lot of good ones. It really comes down to whether you have specific needs. Generally any Z97 part by ASUS, MSI, or Gigabyte that is over $110 will have all you need while also being at a price point where the quality of the construction and the thickness of the board are appropriate for stable overclocking without worrying that you bought a low quality part that might break on you without warning.
In reality once you have those things accounted for it comes down to the color of the board, assuming you don't SPECIFICALLY need things like a certain audio/LAN chip, or M.2 support.
>>51462039
Apart from that it's solid though right?
>>51462077
>and environment
Uhh what? PSUs are most efficient at 50% load. If anything getting an overkill PSU and running it at half load would be best for the environment
>>51462039
41% performance he won't be needing, and the games he plays rely 90% on GPU, this rig will last him for at least 5 years.
>>51462090
yeah, just switch it to 120GB SSD and 500GB HDD I guess unless you really need the full 1TB
>>51460600
my build for my hackintosh
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8sTg99
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8sTg99/by_merchant/
CPU: Intel Core i7-4790K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($299.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97MX-Gaming 5 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($116.88 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Tactical 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($179.99 @ Adorama)
Storage: Samsung 850 EVO-Series 250GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($95.89 @ OutletPC)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Black 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($138.89 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GT 740 4GB Superclocked Video Card ($96.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Case: Cooler Master HAF X ATX Full Tower Case ($156.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Corsair RM 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($106.24 @ Amazon)
Total: $1191.86
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-11-21 20:50 EST-0500
Buy all the parts used. Have a better machine for half the price.
>>51462087
What are some good motherboards with soundcard+optical. VIII Maximus good for its price?
Is there really a major difference between the R9 390 and GTX 970 in performance?
Most comparisons I have read and watched seem to be right around the same performance. Except for the 390 being much hotter, and using much more power. Should I just get whichever is cheaper? Not planning on overclocking, and probably will play most things on high rather than ultra.
>>51462130
Yeah I'm going to need the 1tb, the 500gb on my current pc has about 400gb of music on it, and I don't even have any of those AAA games that take up like 30gb each yet.
>>51462120
50% of 450W is 225W, and since my celeron G consumes 53W and the ram about 16W we're already at the 50% of the 200W PSU, 100W saved in total. Will have to try to say anything definitive I guess.
>>51462157
if you don't care about optimizing your performance than you answered your own question.
>>51462130
What is a good all round budgeg 1080p monitor to get later down the line with a cpu fan (and maybe more case fans)? My current monitor is some tv or something that is 1440x900.
Building this on monday
>>51462090
Yes. Seems solid to me as long as you have NO PLANS whatsoever to ever put in a 2nd GPU, because you can't.
There are 4 possible upgrades I can see within a somewhat reasonable price point. 2 are mostly aesthetic and 2 are functional.
The RAM can be upgraded to 16GB. For one, future proofing, but also Samsung SSDs offer an option in the software called RAPID MODE, which dedicates 2GB of RAM as a permanent cache for the SSD, meaning up to an extra 2GB of recently opened files (a lot) will be lightning fast every single time you access them until they are pushed out of the cache or the computer powers off. If this sounds like something that greatly interests you, 8GB is simply not enough to comfortable run RAPID mode and still have a good overhead on system memory being used under heavy load.
Next, the SSD could obviously be increased to a 250GB variant for 15 pounds (yes you can DOUBLE its storage space for FIFTEEN pounds). This will give you way more breathing room on your main drive. You can dump all the shit you want anywhere and install a ton of programs or games on it.
You could also upgrade the motherboard to an MSI Z97S SLI Krait Edition, which while being a functionally slightly better product, looks way way sexier than your current board.
Lastly, you could opt for a windowed case.
Again, everyone of these upgrades is totally optional and unnecessary. I just thought I'd suggest them so you are informed, especially recommend the SSD upgrade though.
>>51462130
an overclocked CPU makes a ton of difference in some games. An overclock like that can push framerate as much as 10 frames on some games which is a big difference on heavy duty AAA titles which already run at 40~50 frames.
>>51462231
Its going to be beautiful anon. I want that case.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/XvWFjX
Is this overkill? I don't want to be renewing parts every year to it and would like it to last for a couple of years.
I have honestly fuck all clue I just clicked well rated and reviewed parts.
I got a budget of 2400 euros. I can't compromise to a worse monitor.
I assume I need 1-2 more sets of fans? Case I can get for cheap from my friend so I didn't include it here.
>>51462231
Solid
>>51462090
Anon here. I just read through this thread. Don't listen to this guy here
>>51462130
Sorry man you just don't know what you're talking about. You seem to be all about taking heavy losses on components for relatively tiny gains on money. If you don't know your facts you really shouldn't be giving people any advice. CPU clock does make a big difference in some video games, but more importantly it makes a difference in everyday computing too, which you probably do more than playing games. The amount of money you gain by opting for a smaller 500GB HDD is almost zero while you cut the total storage capacity in half. There's also the matter of build quality. I'm no hard drive engineer, but I'm willing to bet that with 500GB drives being almost 0% of the marketshare these days, Western Digital pays almost no attention to their quality control when it comes to those. Meanwhile 1TB drives are being pumped out daily in large quantities so you better believe from a business standpoint, they are going to watch those much more carefully.
>>51462270
Yeah i really love the aesthetics of it, i was gonna get a phanteks enthoo luxe as it generally is a better case but i just love how the 760t looks too much.
Also how much could i sell my old 3570k for ? i never even ocd it once
>>51462152
I actually don't know too much about audio technology. Keep in mind you can just buy a USB DAC in the future with any motherboard if you need to make changes or remove noise/impedance.
>>51462157
Around the same. Some games favor AMD. Some favor Nvidia. The 390 offers 8GB VRAM while the 970 offers 3.5GB, but the 970 comes with Nvidia's legendary driver support and power/heat efficiency. Not sure if AMD fixed the heating issue jumping from the 290 to the 390, but I'm willing to bet the 970 is still cooler. I could be wrong so go do some research. Personally I'd say go for the 390 if you want the best price/performance and that's it, but the 970 if you want to pay a bit more for a maybe slightly worse card that has far better driver support and is Nvidia Gameworks compatible.
Heres my new build. Took two months of trolling craigslist and ebay jewing the prices to put it together.
>>51462342
$130-140
>>51462305
So I basically have 2 builds now
£635 http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/dCGQkL
£713 http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/gTCHcf
>>51462357
250$ for a 6700k? dayum, good job fgt
>>51462355
relax buddy, this is no competition for who knows the best parts, I was just trying to provide the guy just what he needs and don't get meme'd on useless components, I'd recommend him the i7 5960X if that was my intention. You should also lurk more about game producers / companies, Bethesda is known for making GPU intensive games and I've played Fallout 4 on my buddies i3 4160 PC on 1080p/60fps (though I admit the guy has a 980 ti).
>>51462357
>two tri-x 290s for $200
did you get them as a pair or from two separate people? I was hoping that once the 3xx series came out, 290/290x would drop in price but they've barely moved
>>51462404
I see you followed all of these suggestions from this guy
>>51462237
They're good suggestions, but I think they were meant more as a "if you have the money to spare and you want to improve your PC go for it" so if you are sure you want to spend the extra money, yeah they're worthwhile upgrades just as long as you're aware you're paying a tiny bit more than you need to to make your PC look better, which is a fair goal. You made one big, big mistake though. Remove those ram stick and re-add them as a single product (16GB 2x8GB) because ordering like this will most likely result in getting 2 sticks that were made at different times possibly even from different PCBs which is not the best idea. Make sure you always buy RAM in a set if you can help it rather than separately.
Buy yeah to reiterate. the more expensive build is top notch. You could always get a cooler, but that's an upgrade you can do literally at any time you have extra cash in the future.
>>51462451
See here you are already making huge mistakes. Bethesda games are
E X T R E M E L Y
CPU dependent. As a Bethesda game (mostly Elder Scrolls) modder I can attest that everyone loves to throw a ton of scripts into their mods especially GLOBAL scripts which are always running. This creates a huge and bloated Papyrus log, meaning it's going to be really, really, really CPU intensive to the point where the difference between 120FPS and 30FPS is whether you are out in the wilderness in the middle of nowhere or whether you are in a city with 15 NPCs lurking about and events happening.
>>51462474
Could you check mine ? >>51462282
First time buying/gathering a desktop PC, always used laptops or way old desktop machines.
Want it to be powerful and last with the budget. The monitor hogs a chunk of it.
Is M.2 the new meme?
>>51462472
Seeing as they have different prices its very likely he got them from different people.
Probably ex-miners.
>>51462231
PSU is incredibly overkill, unless you're going to tri-sli.
Probably want to go for one 500GB drive, RAID 1 isn't that useful for ssd's outside of benchmarks. RAID 0 makes more sense but imo not worth it.
Case is a bit expensive, I wouldn't throw more money at it than a R5/Base 900/H440.
Is there a reason for getting 4x 4GB? Why don't you just get 2x 8GB? Now you're cornering yourself with future upgrades and shooting yourself in the feet with resale value.
>>51462533
>the scripting engine in a particular game by a producer consuming high CPU means the whole another game of the same producer will do the same
sure bud
>>51462472
Separately, I wanted to match brands and get identical cards. Turns out sapphire tri-x's have more than one slightly different models. if I started over from scratch I'd probably pay a little more for two 780 ti or look for 290x since some people don't know the difference.
>>51462474
Oh yeah I know it's a 'splash the cash if you can' type of thing. Probably going to change the mobo on the 1st build though so it's Crossfire compatible. Any suggestions? Z97 PC Mate is obvious but the blue triggers my autism hard.
>>51462533
One example is this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inOM-t9X4wU
The guy is comfortably running at 60 fps in ultra settings.
>>51462593
Everyone thinks every 290 was for mining. Just don't get shady as fuck offers where a dude has like 5 ref cards. One of mine was from a pawn shop owner who dumped a new sealed card with a cheap buyout on ebay.
>>51462688
Actually I don't hold anything against miners seeing as I was one. 200$ for a non-ref 290 is just a steal -> mining. If not, impressive.
>>51462593
>>51462613
>>51462688
didn't see they were different prices, just that both started with 2 and ended in 0
personally, mining isn't preferred but it drives prices down and most of the time, the cards work relatively well
>>51462541
So seeing as how your goal here is long term stability as well as good gaming performance I have a few observations.
The CPU is good. No issues here. Are you planning on ever getting into anything that would utilize more threads like video editing, 3D modeling, simulation or large data processing, or even game streaming like Twitch or inhome streaming like Steam Link / Nvidia Shield? If you think this is a possibility, then seeing as how your budget is huge it may be in your best interest to go for an i7-6700k. However if you know you will not be doing any of the above mentioned, the 6600k is just perfect and there's no need to change it.
Noctua cooler is great. No arguments here.
The motherboard is tricky. The ASUS ROG motherboard lineup has always been sketchy so normally I'd recommend a standard Z170-A type product. However it seems that there is a lot of negativity around that board as well, which is unusual for ASUS mainline boards as they are typically the very best. Until the Z170 platform has stabilized a bit more and BIOS updates come out, I recommend you ask someone more up to date than I. If nothing else, just get it and RMA it if you run into any trouble.
No issues with the RAM
I would replace that SSD. Long term PC means a lot of data will accumulate. Seeing as how current Intel prices in Europe are outrageous I can't recommend them. Samsung 850 series SSDs have proven to have excellent life and low failure rate
>>51460600
Turkroach detected
>>51462802
The motherboard is same as my friend. He recently bought Maximus for better GPU position (he will add a second Titan X). He has been testing it for a week and no complaints from him.
Samsung 850 - gotcha.
What about additional case fans? I think it might need, at least the mini ATX my friend has has got additional fans and he usually has it sit at 40-35 temp.
>>51462808
check your case before you buy that bigass cooler.
Best budget 1080p screen?
>>51462802
So I recommend upgrading to a 500GB Samsung 850 EVO for the best price/performance while still being reliable. If Intel wasn't so damn expensive I would have recommended them. As it stands you pay double the Samsung price for the same capacity.
The power supply choice is fair but I recommend upgrading to the EVGA Supernova 1000 P2 which is also 80+ Platinum certified. Jonnyguru gives this PSU an amazing 9.7/10 review which coming from them is excellent. This will allow you to run your PC at peak efficiency (40~60% usually) and waste the least amount of power. It also easily supports further expansions to dual tri or even quad SLI if that's your thing. Completely future proof.
I can't really comment on monitors.
>>51462855
im gonna ask him the name of the case tomorrow. cant remember it.
will build this in a month
>>51462282
To add on the other anon's reply...
PSU is overkill as usual in /build/ threads. If you can get less wattage equal quality lower price do it.
Why sandisk if samsung and crucial are offering better/cheaper ssds?
Motherboard's a bit overkill. Hard to give out a recommendation as the VRM list isn't out yet. Can someone poke sin...
Just a friendly reminder you will not reach 144 fps at 1440p with most newer games unless you turn down the settings. A lot.
>>51462815
You got nothing to fear, worms aren't in our diet
>>51462841
You didn't select a case for your build log so I can't really say if you need more/better fans. Most high quality case manufacturers (Corsair, Fractal Design, NZXT, to name a few) include adequate high quality fans. I'd say 3 fans is enough considering you have an air cooler pushing a ton of air too. I highly recommend you watch this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OmkmluAYAQ
It will solve a lot of the questions you may have about how many fans to use and where to put them.
IF you are running a radiator, it usually comes with good fans. However if you want to splurge on the best of the best, you can replace them with Noctua high static pressure fans.
>>51462870
Thanks for the PSU headsup since I figure the best upgrade in future is to add another Fury X.
>>51462881
I said I clicked on most+best reviewed stuff in the part picker. I'm tech illiterate fuck honestly.
With VII Maximus and i5 6600k and Fury X, what are the carefully guesstimated overclocking possibilities?
>>51462622
The mobo in the 2nd build is great. SLI compatible and looks super nice
>>51462652
He has zero mods. Everyone who's anyone mods the hell out of their Bethesda games. Otherwise you might as well be playing on a console. A weak chip vs a strong one in that situation makes more difference than a GPU upgrade.
>>51462915
Probably 4.5-4.6 range if you want a nice balance between noise/temperature and performance. 4.8 might be doable but not recommendable for long time.
Fury X overclocks rather shitty I heard. 1100/550 I imagine.
>>51462915
With that Noctua cooler? Probably 4.5GHz no sweat. That's the point of diminishing returns. You might be able to drive it as high as 4.8GHz if you know what you're doing. 4.9GHz if you got a truly lucky chip. 4.5GHz seems to be the most common comfortable OC though. It's usually easy to reach and really stable without dumping buckets of voltage into the CPU. Not sure about your GPU. I rarely overclock GPUs. Considering the water cooler included, I'd estimate it can go fairly high too.
>>51462914
Thanks.
I will notepad these helpful posts and update the build and post it with the case once I get its name.
>>51462965
You already have a case? How old is it? If it's not too good, it may be worth buying a new one because on top of a ~£1700 build, another £80 for a top tier case may not be such a bad idea.
Anyways if you find that your case is lacking, the Fractal Design Define R5 is usually the go-to case these days for high quality and aesthetics both, though I'm also a fan of the Define S for its open airflow design and rear mounted hard drives.
Speaking of which you probably want at least a 1TB hard drive for storage of stuff.
>>51462995
I have WD reds for storage space.
Dont really need it.
Just a fast reliable SSD for the OS.
>>51463026
I see. Good luck with your build. Good thread. Bye.
>>51463062
Thanks a lot for the hlep anon
>>51463070
One more thing. I just realized right before I left you have a Noctua D14 cooler. Get a D15 cooler. The price difference is nothing and the performance difference is actually noticeable in benchmarks.
Ok now bye.
You people do realize that M.2 is now faster than 2.5 inch SSD's?
>>51463238
You do realize that a good chunk of consumer SSDs aren't actually fast enough to utilize that higher max speed, right?
>>51463238
They also overheat like a cunt
>>51463238
SATA is as fast as 2'5... And PCI-E is really expensive right now...
>>51463273
Hence why Samsung is only having chips on one side right now, limiting them to 512gb until the 3D chips are ready, which will double capacity.
>>51462611
they're literally on the same engine by the same devs. you're retarded.
>>51462593
>PSU is incredibly overkill
Yeah you're right i'll go 2 sli at one point so i'll go down to 750w
>Probably want to go for one 500GB drive
I'm savaging the 1tb from this pc to put into my new pc, 1 ssd is just going to be for os and the other for games
>Is there a reason for getting 4x 4GB
Purely for aesthetic reasons(black white theme)
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/nB4cwP
Tell me if it's good, planning on buying all these tonight if everything checks out.
>>51463587
if your gonna be gaming in 1080p get a 970 instead if higher res then get a 980ti
>>51460600
>PSD editing (nothing too big)
Better PSU, discrete graphics, 8 gigs ram, either a 128 or 256 gig SSD, Pentium G3258. Potentially you'll want to get a mobo with better chipset for overclocking.
>>51463587
>No M.2
>>51464346
what
Senpai, I'm building my first PC, but I'm retarded as fuck and require assistance.
I need a new copy of windows, and this shit is only 60dollarydoos: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LG0K4MM?keywords=windows%207%2064%20bit&qid=1448168119&ref_=sr_1_3&refinements=p_72%3A1248951011%2Cp_85%3A2470955011&s=software&sr=1-3
but the reviews and shit are mixed as to whether or not it can be installed on a newly built PC. Should I just bite the bullet and get the $100 system builder? Or is this a safe purchase?
pls be gentle
>>51464561
go for the full version ($120) so you're not chained to your motherboard once you install.
>buying windows
>2015
Why in the fuck would you do that?
>>51464709
I can't seem to find a full retail version on newegg or amazon. Just system builder and refurbisher copies.
>>51464802
Building my first PC is scary enough without having to figure out linux as well.
>>51464895
>implying linux
just use daz loader you dip
hell if you're that worried there's even legit keys you can activate by phone
>>51464895
Or maybe I did find it but the Q&A is lying to me.
>>51464915
>daz loader
O-oh. That won't blow up my computer?
>>51465008
No, worst it can be is a botnet but you're installing windows with botnet anyway so who gives a shit
>>51464561
www.thepiratebay.se
>>51465008
>>51465020
It doesn't even have a botnet, it's completely safe. Please don't give money to Microsoft, it's as bad as funding ISIS or worse
>get three t3500 workstations for free, so with the enhanced heatsink
>spend $15 to upgrade one to an x5570 processor
>steal ram and hdd from one and slap into another to create a dual boot machine
So basically the only upgrades it needs are faster ram and a new video card. What's the best video card, bang for my buck wise? I'll never game above 1080p/60Hz. Looking at a 4gb 270x.
I am looking to burglarproof my build, right now I have a 280x xfx video card with my newly bought 1080p monitor. I was wondering if getting a g1 980ti card is good enough, or overkill.
I already have my mind set but I would like further input.
>>51465188
futureproof*
fucking autocorrect
I'm getting almost everything from Enthusiast tier logical increments, already bought half
GTX 980 TI
i5 6600k
NH-U12S
Gigabyte Z170X-UD5
16GB DDR4
240gb SSD
CORSAIR AX860
hey mate motherboard died and time to upgrade from my Q6600.
Was thinking about getting this processor, only problem is that is currently out of stock. At £155 it seems super cheap compared to others.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0136JONRM?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00
Worth the wait?
>>51465267
>falling for the skylake meme
Here is a cheap ass PC.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/sVVkYJ
>>51465281
>no psu
>>51465281
>>51465298
wew lad
>>51465278
...what would you recommend instead and why? Havent bought that part yet
>>51465364
haswell
>>51465364
4690K is perfectly fine
>>51463587
Get a 650W EVGA and save $50, and get an 850 EVO for less now, or wait until black friday when jewegg has the 850 evo 250gb for $80.
$75 savings.
>>51463587
With more or less the same budget I was able to squeeze in a 980ti.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/jfqjTW
What do you think g? This will be my first build so let me know if im doing it wrong please.
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fx4cwP
>>51465686
Get >>51465585 instead and get a 4K Korean monitor from ebay.
Are these specs good for $600?
Intel i7 4770k CPU
ASUS MAXIMUS VII IMPACT Motherboard
EVGA nVidia GTX770 Suplerclocked
16GB DDR3 RAM
256GB SSD
1TB 7200RPM HD
Can someone tell me if this looks alright, im only upgrading the cpu,cpu cooler, mobo and ram. the rest of the stuff is what i already have. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/HVvX8d
Pretty sure everything is compatible but id like a 2nd voice.
Are the pcpartpicker parts all current, or are there some recent releases that have yet to be added?
![octemps[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/C5I7SE4.png "octemps[1].png")
>>51465847
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/dXCHcf
1) Hyperthreading is an absolute meme, the VAST majority of games don't support more than 4 threads, and the ones that _do_ support more than 4 threads do not benefit so greatly that a ~$100 (or +50%) price premium is justified over the analogous unlocked i5 processor.
2) 6th gen hardware will keep your computer more up to date, compatible, and "future-proof" for new technology down the road than buying into a 2-year old platform with 4th gen processors and Z97.
3) Noctua heatsinks are a fucking meme.
http://www.kitguru.net/components/henry-butt/phanteks-ph-tc14pe-vs-noctua-nh-d14-cpu-cooler-review/5/
Similar heatsinks do just as well if not better (better in this particular review), and they're cheaper, and this particular model comes with two 140mm fans, rather than Noctua's 140 + 120.
4) DDR4 isn't too expensive compared to DDR3 these days.
>>51466186
Mainly im just looking to be able to run next gen vidya and get better frames in Arma 3 i was looking at the cpu that you picked out. isnt the one that i have in my link better? im upgrading from the i5 3570k
>>51466186
Noctuas aren't a 'meme, the competition has just caught up.
Is it ever a good idea to do SLI in an mATX build?
>>51466412
SLI/Xfire in general isn't a terribly good idea.
Have you used 2 cards before?
>>51466418
I'm currently running two 670s and I want to upgrade my CPU while downsizing my motherboard and case.
About the pull the trigger on this bad boy.
>>51466357
Did you fucking read my post?
I literally Googled "Arma 3 Hyperthreading Support" and found this video immediately.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUdqfPK1X5c
The guy explains there's no perceived performance difference with or without hyperthreading. Why the fuck would you pay $100 more for hyperthreading if the #1 game you will play does not benefit from it?
>>51466383
The competition has always been there. Their brand reputation is highly over-inflated given their nearly equal performance standing, yet higher prices.
>>51466412
There's nothing inherently wrong with the mATX, rather you should try to get the single best GPU before ever considering SLI, due to the inherent nature of SLI.
>No support until game/driver are both patched.
>Microstutter issues.
>Significant heat dispersion issues.
MicroATX isn't a problem with that, since the board has the PCI-E connectors and the CPU provides the PCI-E lanes.
>>51466457
You should instead consider selling off the entire desktop, rather than salvaging two ~4 year old graphics cards into a new build.
A single R9 390x or GTX 980 would likely give similar performance. The GTX 980 would have lower power draw and TDP, making the smaller build a smarter move.
Can you still migrate the cards into a mATX build? Yeah, sure.
>>51466465
almost getting exact same bro where im from 6400 is same price as 6500 so check up on that
Is a 650 Watt power supply enough for an estimated power draw of 491W? A friend told me that you should have 100W over the maximum possible power draw of a build; is he correct or is he a dumbass?
>>51466773
650W is plenty for any system with a single GPU and CPU.
>>51466465
>1300 usd build
>non overlockable cpu
nigga you dumb
>>51466859
It's $1300 AUD.
>>51466773
Estimated power draw, according to PCPartPicker.com, uses manufacturer's spec on power wattage and sums it up, and according to your post, you're looking at 491w. Often, those manufacturer's spec for power usage is slightly inflated for CYA legal protection reasons.
Note: Power draw will increase by overclocking the system. Using an extra 100w from a big overclock where core voltage was increased to the CPU and GPU would be kind of normal.
As for power supplies, their rated power delivery will depend on the build quality of the power supply. These numbers are typically underrated for CYA legal protection reasons. In some cases, a very well built Seasonic/SuperFlower Platinum PSU could very well deliver 100w or more beyond its rated wattage and still be fine. Lower quality bronze efficiency power supplies probably won't be able to extend far past their rated wattage.
In summary, having an extra 100w over the projected wattage usage would be a smart move and give you wiggle room for a decent overclock without stressing the PSU too much.
>>51466875
how much dollarydoos does 6600k cost?
get 1150 socket instead, save on mobo, ram and get i5-4690k
Hey guys, im someone looking for a new CPU and motherboard can someone point me in the right direction. im currently looking at the i7-6700k
Is this thread still going? Lol looks like I have a hit here
>>51466974
fuck off
>>51466981
stop crying and move along kid, adults are talking
so I decided to jew out even more on my rig and brought it down to 134$, what do you think gee? :^)
>>51467006
nice hieroglyphics meme currency
>>51467112
thanks, they just redesigned the symbol for the turkish lira, looks pretty decent to me
Rate my build? I have a r9 290 in my current pc which i'll use.
Is there some processor picking guide? Like when to pick K processor, when to not, what motherboard to go with i5 or nonK or Kcpus.
>>51465810
Depends what make and model SSD that is and if that is WD GREE 1TB.
>>51467272
Anything that's not a K processor (i5 6400), Buy B/H etc motherboard
Anything with K Processor (i5 6600k) buy Z motherboard.
stepping up the niggerness
Looking to build a new PC. I'm torn between an i5 or i7 at 3.5 GHz. Don't care too much for modern vidya (Only care about games up to the GCN and PS2 era for the most part). I want to be able to multi task heavily though, with numerous browser windows and tabs coupled with many different applications. Two to three virtual machines would also be running at any given time, all my programming and development is done in abstracted scripting languages like Python and Ruby for the most part. I'd like to be able to do all of this with as little slowdown as possible. Would the i7's Hyper Threading speed things up in my case, or is it a waste ?
>>51467448
i7. Threads help a lot. A used 5820k would be good too. or you could go with the xeon x5650 if you're on a budget (it's an x58 platform chip and when overclocked to 4.2ghz it performs almost the same as the 5820k)
Heres a video comparing the x5650 to the 5820k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JopY0kcKjq4
>>51467342
That's not nigger, that's stupid.
Which I guess is nigger, but that's besides the point.
You can get a G1620 for $30, which is ivy bridge.
A cheap IVY mobo for $40, some ram for $40.
Never go old unless it's part of a set from someone's dumpster or something.
>>51467448
If it were only two virtual machines I'd say the i5, but since you're going up to 3, then the i7.
>>51467487
>>51467529
Appreciate the input, going to start ordering parts.
I'm going to build my first PC, thinking of this spec to replace my now dead five year old Advent Centurion (I know they're terrible machines, but I got mine at half the RRP so it wasn't awful).
I already have the PSU and the three secondary hard drives.
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Z3y699
>>51467628
the Samsung SSD is 120gb, I'm a moron.
>>51467489
>taking it this seriously
i might have to add a ~ next to everything playful I say for the people who have issues reading btw lines.
I've been a prebuildfag for the past 10 years so this will be my first proper one, is there something that should be changed in this build?
pls help a m8 out
>>51460600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EQJA8Ahac
How come none of u guys buy speakers
do you just go full soundless
you cant always wear a headset
>>51468004
I have Sennheiser over the ear headphones that I literally wear 24/7.
I just need a mobo w/ soundcard+optical.
>>51468017
Wait do you need to buy a soundcard to connect speakers to your pc?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/bXfX8d
Guys please help
I want to build a PC but I have many doubts.
Is the liquid cooler unnecessary for that build? Should I use a normal cooler? And if so, which one would you recommend? Is that power supply enough? should I find a better one?
And the most important, Is that GPU overkill? I rarely game on my PC/Laptop since I have consoles and enjoy being a coach potatoe, but I use a lot Photoshop, Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Lightroom, Indesign and Premiere Pro for graphic design works, drawings and video/photo editing.
Also I would like to start recording and streaming my gameplays and for all the above I would like to start using three monitors, so, Is the GTX 960 4GB a good option? Or should I look for a better one? Or am I good with something like a GTX 750 Ti?
>>51468078
/g/ doesn't recommend NON-K processor with Z motherboard.
I dont know why I'm just parroting what I've read in the past 2 days.
>>51467314
>>51468078
wouldnt you want some AMD for that VRAM if you use Photoshop and shit like that? Espeially if you use it at higher than 1080p?
Not recommending you anything, just asking generally.
>>51468037
no. virtually every motherboard made in like the last 20 years comes with integrated audio
>>51468095
Thanks anon, I'll be sure to get the 6600K then!
>>51468120
Not sure lol, I'm just used to work with Intel CPUs all my life and I've been really happy with them
>>51468150
>>51468095
That's because the Z-series chipsets differ from cheaper chipsets in having overclocking capabilities, and a K processor differs from non-K processor in being overclockable
So some people say that if you aren't getting a K CPU and going to OC, you have no need for a Z series mobo
Others say that you may want a higher end mobo for connectivity, reliability etc. and that often means getting Z chipset even if you don't need that specific part
>>51468150
>Not sure lol, I'm just used to work with Intel CPUs all my life and I've been really happy with them
What he meant is AMD graphics card, as AMD tend to stack a shitload of VRAM on their cards for marketing, but VRAM is actually useful for content editing. But the 960 4GB will handle content editing and three monitors well too
What it won't do as well is streaming. But that obviously depends on the quality you want to stream at. Just don't expect to stream graphically intensive games with it. I'd say go with that one
Not a hardcore gamer, so an average build. Probably gonna upgrade to a i5 skylake in summer.
>>51468276
The setup I have planned for streaming is plugging the PS4 to the PC with an Elgato HD 60 Pro PCIe and then using the OBS software to stream it. Since the PS4 is going to process all the graphics, the 960 GPU should be enough, right?
>>51468339
I'm fairly certain. But I don't know for sure. You should google to see if anyone else has done the same thing and what sort of performance they report
I want to build a low power fileserver for 8-12 drives or so.
I have a g1610t lying around from my microserver which should be enough. All I need the CPU and mobo for is to make deiveas available to my microserver.
Price wise I have a choice of using the CPU I own plus a half decent ecc capable board and buy a hba card for more data ports or get the asrock atom server board that has a gazillion data ports but is quite pricey, like £280ish.
So my build has been stable for months now but all of a sudden over the last couple of days my PC has been randomly shutting itself off because it's detecting power supply surges, what can I do to test/debug/prevent this? PSU is Corsair CX850M.
>>51468728
4 keyboards? :D
most likely a faulty PSU. return it or buy a new one
>>51468775
Just one have no idea why it thinks otherwise. Any way I can go about testing it? It appears to run fine between crashes but I probably shouldn't risk it since it keeps happening.
>>51468786
a) spend some money for a good, new PSU
b) wait til the old one fries you mobo
>>51468800
What are /builds/ recommended PSUs?
>>51468852
EVGA SuperNOVA series is pretty reliable.
>>51468915
Thanks I'll give it a look.
>>51468915
can only be applied to g2
xfx xxx/xtr / seasonic / superflower
rate
>>51469326
>AMD CPU
why
>>51462611
It's running on the same engine you dipshit.
>>51469326
>Gaming series RAM
>Absolutely lowend build with shitty motherboard
>>51469389
>giving advices while not knowing that apu requires fast ram
get out of /g/
>>51465585
>thermaltake
just no
I want to build a PC which i'm mainly going to use for work, optimization and computer-proofs.
So for my use, it's important to have ECC memory (preferably 32GB) and CPU performance of at least the i5-6500.
Since the desktop quad core skylake CPUs don't support ECC, do I have to buy server equipment, or is there something feasible along the AMD route?
My budget was around $1200, should I just give up on this?
Programming (reason why I'm getting a 2560 x 1080). And gaming. I'm starting from scratch btw, and I need windows 10 because my uni doesn't care about privacy and uses windows-only programs. I can also get 2-3 hdds for free from old PCs.
>>51469359
kek, I was worried my bait was too obvious, guess no matter the obviousness it'll always be undetectable to some ;)
I can't decide between the R9 380 and R9 380X, the 380X's are only a couple dollars more and I can't find anything that sets the 2 apart other than that they're newer. There aren't any reviews on the 380X since they're new. Anybody here know more about them?
>>51470012
the one significant difference is that the other one has X in it, just buy the vanilla
>>51460600
Where in Turkey do you live?
>>51470097
Istanbul bby
>>51470122
Noice, Antalya here.
>>51470155
Sweet, how did you end up here? It's a surprise most turks can go beyond using google, you must be something special :D
At bakalim bilgisayar inceliklerini.
>>51469338
Because its a small form factor build without a gpu, and only amd has an apu with a reasonable graphics.
>>51469389
I could find some cheaper 2400 ram
What's wrong with the MB?
>>51470194
Hehe, I'm not your usual Turk, şimdilik 2010 dan kalma laptop, Linux Mint, windowsu kaldırmıyo. 8gb ram (4gb kendim ekledim), intel i3 2,4ghz, 500gb 5200rpm. Burayı nerden bulduğumdan bende pek emin değilim. Ağ mühendisliği okumayı düşünüyorüm üniversitede. Ama hangi üniversitede okuyacağıma karar veremedim daha.
>>51470408
simdilik gitmem lazim ama ekle beni skypeta: jay.dinero3 , birseyler bildigin belli :D gorusuruz kanka :)
>>51470408
Üniversiteyi bitirdikten sonra yurtdışında çalışmayı düşünüyorum 4-5 sene, buradaki maaşın 4 katını veriyorlar Benelüks bölgesinde.
>>51470444
>skype
Skype kullanmıyorum aslında ama bir yere not ederim
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/Ccr4zy
Trying to build a pc for video games. How's this?
getting a graphics card with a 1.03Ghz clock for a case with 2 fans, an i3 processor, and ~80 degree (27 degrees celsius for you non freedom enablers) year round weather probably isnt a good idea is it?
>>51470588
looks alright, why 16GB?
>>51470629
If I was to be honest, it's because I don't know what I'm doing. Would 8GB be sufficient?
>>51469958
Pirate Win10, buy a 980ti
This isn't really a build question since I already have my chip. But I don't want to create another stupid letter thread.
My 4690k is at 4600mhz 1.24v with Max peak stress test temps around 64°C. With gaymen temps peak around 58°C
That voltage is decent for the frequency right? I feel like I got a pretty decent chip so I want to push it further. Peak stress test temps for Devils Canyon shouldn't be over ~75°C right?
>>51470648
yeah, you can always upgrade to 16 GB later. Those games that claim that 16 GB is recommended are bullshitting really, I'm pretty sure Black Ops 3 for example doesn't even use 4 GB.
>>51470678
Stupid clutter*
>>51470665
I was thinking about that, but I don't want to use a pirated os.
Is anyone going to be doing a cyber monday build?
>>51470648
No, get 16GB.
>>51470709
Could also save a shit ton buying a win 7/8 key online and upgrading instead. I got mine for like £25 from G2A.
What do you think?
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/fvGp6h
>>51471021
9/10 it's alright
>>51471102
I don't like the mouse though
What is the best version of 980 TI GTX
>>51471194
I mean the EVGA is fucking 300 dollars more than the MSI or other versions the fuck.
>>51470992
I need a dutch version though.
>>51471236
You're probably talking about the K!ngP!n, which is EVGA unleashing their full Jew.
Get an MSI Seahawk, EVGA Hybrid, or Gigabyte Waterforce. I think Palit also has a AIO cooler 980 Ti.
>>51471236
Msi's twin frozr version (dual fan) is imo the best.
at this point in time are even the low-end AMD cpus a meme? seems like they haven't been competitive in forever.
Did I do alright, or will I be able to refine it a bit more?
>>51471265
Dual fan on 980TI? Gonna probably need to change it to watercooling dont u think?
>>51471250
>dutch
>scared of piracy
doesn't your government give zero shits about piracy? if you're worried about botnets, all you have to do is have more than 5 brain cells when you decide what torrent you want.
Wtf is KDV? Is it worse than peso?
>>51471277
Kaveris and Richlands are pretty good for budget HTPC. They have stronger iGPUs than low-end Intels by a strong margin. Grab an A68 Mini ITX, an A10-7800k, a cable streaming/capture card, and an HTPC case and you've got yourself the perfect HTPC set-up for under $400.
>>51471299
You could, but anything watercooled is going to cost a lot more, and installing custom watercooling voids warranty. I'm running an msi 980 gayming, and the temps are bretty gud, I do also have 3 in (140, 120x2) and 2 out (140x2) fans in my case though. And it's also 16°c in my bedroom most of the time, I can't sleep when it's 20°c+, I like freezing temps and a comfy bed warmed up by my own body.
>>51471397
>and installing custom watercooling voids warranty
Not EVGA.
