so
what is /g/'s recommendation on first programming language?
is python any good? c#? c++? java?
i really want to get into gamedev and possibly get experience for a job in IT/Computer Engineering
im not trying to shitpost or bait
i've asked this in sqt a lot of times, still no good answer.
hOI!
>>51402199
So you want to learn programming?
You will need to pick a starting language. You will learn more later, but for beginners, there are generally two recommended "programming families" that you can choose to start learning:
-Dynamic programming languages, such as: Python, Perl, Ruby, Lisp
-Structured programming languages, such as: C, C++, Java, C#
These are amongst the most popular languages in use worldwide, including 4 from the top 5. Both approaches are perfectly fine, and well-documented.
-Dynamic programming may be a bit more suitable for those who need their programs to do heavy mathematics, and thus it is more popular in academia.
-Structured programming is a bit more suited for making general applications, and thus it is more popular in industries.
If you cannot decide, flip a coin.
If you choose dynamic programming, you may want to start with Python. It is very easy to pick up. Here are some good sources:
http://www.learnpython.org/
http://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/
http://www.codecademy.com/en/tracks/python
If you choose structured programming, you may want to start with C or C++. C is very well documented, and C++ is generally "C, with a few extra concepts added". Sources:
For C:
http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/c-tutorial.html
http://c.learncodethehardway.org/book/
http://www.learn-c.org/
For C++:
http://www.learncpp.com/
http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/c++-tutorial.html
>BUT I WANT MORE SOURCES!
Read: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php?title=Programming_Books
>BUT I WANNA START WITH [LANGUAGE X] INSTEAD!
Sure, if you like. But the languages shown above are considered very good for beginners.
>BUT I WANNA MAKE iPHONE GAMES!
Learn Objective C.
>BUT I WANNA MAKE ANDROID GAMES!
Learn Java.
>BUT I WANNA MAKE A COOL WEBSITE!
Learn HTML, CSS, and Javascript.
>BUT I WANNA MAKE PC GAMES!
Learn patience.
HOI
People have different learning preferences, I learned Python first then C and I did both through lectures because those are easiest for me, after that I learned some other languages by reading the spec for them.
Python was easy to understand and we didn't learn all the details of it, going from that to C felt pretty steady. Some people prefer to learn the most complex thing first and do so through books so there's no definitive answer really, it's a hard question to answer because of how personal it is.
>>51402325
>C++ is generally "C, with a few extra concepts added"
no NO NO NO!!! it is not a few fucking extra concepts. do not START with c++, start with c.
>iphone - learn obj-c
again NO! obj-c will make your eyes bleed, do not start with obj-c, if you must do iphone stuff use swift.
It doesn't really matter. Don't pick a starting language, pick an objective you want to achieve and then use the language or languages that make that possible.
>>51402371
C++ is a superset of C. By definition, and in practice, C++ is indeed C, with a few extra concepts added. A beginner can easily start with C++ instead of C, if they please.
>No! You newbie brains CANNOT comprehend the vast and extreme intricacies of classes and objects! Refrain, o noble noob, from venturing any further into C++. Stick with C. You are safe here.
What are the other major differences between C and C++, from the viewpoint of a complete programming noob? Function overloading?
>>51402385
No. Learn C if you want a rock solid foundation, OP. Take it slow and use a guide. Any language will be easy to pick up after that.
Plus you won't have the shame of not understanding pointers, which are critical to how computers actually work.
>>51402199
>possibly get experience for a job in IT/Computer Engineering
>possibly get experience for a job in car washing/space shuttle flying
>>51402439
I agree C++ is fine to start with instead of C but they act very differently nowadays. I mean gone are the days where C++ compiles to C to compile to asm. Saying C++ was inspired by C would be more accurate.
>>51402465
That is extremely offensive and insulting. You should be ashamed of saying such things. Did you parents not teach you manners? Why would anyone bad-mouth car washing like that?
>>51402439
C++ is so far from C now that they are no more worth composing than any other two languages. A valid C program is a valid C++ program and that's about it.
thanks everyone for your answers
BASIC
tried and true
easy syntax to learn
C and(!) Java
>>51402325
>>BUT I WANNA MAKE PC GAMES!
I dunnot i learned alot of my python from making a stupid towerdefence game.
I dont think anyone is stupid enough to say I want to learn programming so i can make a triple A game.
Python is OO braindamage in a language with crappy syntax. Learn something useful like C/C++.
>>51402199
assembly.
Quick question:
I need to learn processing but i want to start with an easier language to fully learn the basics. Any tips on something easier or do i need to change my approach on working with processing and follow a website or YoutTube tutorial?
