Do you have nothing to hide?
Do you have nothing to fear?
>>51380222
"decline to answer" and "decline to answer", respectively.
Nice trips though.
>>51380292
Pleading the 5th amendment means you are already guilty. You must be guilty if you have something to hide.
>>51380222
Nothing to hide here. Nothing to fear that I know of.
Nothing the ayyliens from the future can figure out on their own, but they'll have better things to investigate.
>>51380350
give us full name, picture of face with passport and timestamp
>boy thi gon be goo :D
>>51380324
It's innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around, numb nuts.
My facebook is empty, I use cellphone only to call my mom and email for work/registering on shit.
Nothing to hide, geg.
I don't have a passport but in principle I couldn't give a shit if you had a time-stamped picture of my face with my full name. What could you do with it?
All the stuff worth hiding is on a encrypted volume.
>>51380483
>What could you do with it?
Let the internet worry about that...
go ahead post your timestamped face and some form of id!
:D
>you are going to eat your words soon enough
>>51380483
We will make fun of you and you will feel bad.
>>51380477
If the NSA does it I don't mind because it's like an ethereal entity, you know it's there but it really isn't. It's like a ghost or something. Like it's not a real person.
But if a bitch with that face and that expression were to do the same thing then I would mind, because I can't stand her attitude.
Think about it this way, if a landwhale were to ask for your phone number and said she wants to fuck, you'd probably be disgusted. But if a hot girl did the same thing you'd be glad. It's not the act itself, it's who is doing the act. Nobody cares about the big companies getting their data because they are faceless.
>>51380324
It's your job to prove someone guilty. Pleading the 5th is the most intelligent thing to do, since it means they aren't going to give you anything to work with, or worse--evidence of something they did that has nothing to do with what they're accused of.
I love how people act like everybody's a law abiding citizen. Everybody breaks the law in some way, why would anybody go about making it easier for the prosecution?
>>51380524
Didn't mean to quote.
>>51380483
>set up a twitter account
>punch in your name
>use your pic as a profile image
>go make racist jokes on the internet
>you get death threats and have to go into hiding like that "Just kidding, I'm white!" woman
>>51380483
A few years back somebody posted a pic of himself holding his social security card with the number and name visible. He killed himself a month later.
Don't underestimate the lengths people will go to for the lulz
>>51380350
Here's my email address. What I want you to do when you get home is email me the passwords to all of your email accounts, not just the nice, respectable work one in your name, but all of them, because I want to be able to just troll through what it is you're doing online, read what I want to read and publish whatever I find interesting. After all, if you're not a bad person, if you're doing nothing wrong, you should have nothing to hide.
>>51380524
you are aware that these organizations consist of average people?
>your isp is made up of people and they can see what you did last summer...
>>51380222
I emailed my Facebook login and password to the NSA because I have nothing to hide.
>>51380554
>>51380555
Whoever is spying on you is not going to do that. Just because they have the capability to do it, that doesn't mean they will. The police can kill you, but (usually) they don't shoot innocent people. The government can jail you, it doesn't mean they will.
>>51380584
>Whoever is spying on you is not going to do that
How do you know that? Because it's the government?
>they're just illegally spying on me, they won't do anything ELSE that's illegal, I swear
That's retard logic.
>>51380572
Yeah but it's different, because you never see their faces. It's not personal, so most people won't get angry. You can't get angry when there's nobody to get mad at.
>>51380612
I'm not really defending them. More like playing the devil's advocate. I encrypt most of my stuff, use Tor, etc. I'm just telling you why normal people tolerate them. They are used to the government having power over them, most people see that as matter-of-factly.
>>51380584
You're literally vouching for the moral integrity of people illegally spying on millions of people.
>>51380612
>How do you know that? Because it's the government?
Well for once because they haven't. If you have one single source of the government doing any of those things those guys said they would if they had their private information, then by all means post it.
>>51380554
This guy said they would steal their identity.
>>51380555
And he said they would do things that would drive them to suicide.
If you have proofs of them doing either, you're more than welcome to provide a source.
>>51380541
Everyone's guilty, but everyone also wants the law selectively enforced against people they fear or don't like.
>>51380584
They came for the communists, they came for the trade unionists, and then there was nobody left when they came for me.
>>51380637
>It's not personal
how do you know that creepy neighbour of yours doesn't work for your ISP and is not watching your gf/mum throogh her webcam right now?
>>51380692
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO
>>51380726
That's called being paranoid.
>>51380723
They can take all the commies away for all I care. Unionists are just as bad btw.
>>51380483
This, for instance:
http://3113.com/iphoto/internetPhoto.html
>>51380222
>Do you have nothing to hide?
NOPE
>Do you have nothing to fear?
how do i know? I Don't really care what people read /or don't read.
Given both my facebook page has shit all worth of mention
given my cellphone is always full of sounds (music) and my family photos
sure and long as noone deletes i'm okay with spying.
But then again i'm already in the government system anyway related to my military service so i couldn't really get off the botnet anyway
So mars well sit back and enjoy.
>>51380768
We're talking about the NSA/ISPs spying on you. That's something from 1971.
Unless your point is that the government will abuse its power? I guess that could be true, but it's an issue far bigger than internet spying.
>>51380222
who is this fluid druid?
>>51380771
I don't much like either of those groups either, that's just the traditional form of that aphorism. In the modern day it'd probably progress from pedophiles and terrorists, to ordinary crooks, to "hate speech", to file-sharers, to people who visit suspect websites (like 4chan), to you. The point is that everyone is secure, or nobody is.
>>51380836
If they killed martin luther king for that I have a dream speech, what do you think they will do to people like you?
>>51380222
Truthfully? No. Literally no one gives a shit about the terabyte of trap, femdom, and bdsm porn on my computer. Just like I don't give a fuck what is on theirs. Like you though, I'm a pretty big fucking deal in my own head, so I'll keep pretending like I've got shit to protect too.
>>51380222
The appropriate questions are 'Do you know what you have to hide?' 'Do you know what you have to fear?'
I'm a staunch believer that the legal code is so complex and convoluted that everyone is actually a criminal, it just depends on whether law enforcement feels the motivation to dig deep.
>>51380889
If they kill me for shitposting on 4chan I think all the taxpayers should ask for a refund.
Nothing to hide =/= thing I want seen
>>51380894
"Give me six lines written by the most honest man, I will find something in them to have him hanged." --Cardinal Richelieu
>>51380222
Honestly I really don't have anything to hide, my life is boring as shit.
Still don't appreciate being spied on though.
>implying
I have nothing to hide. You can spy on me freely if you're the government
>>51380222
Win10 fags arguing
>They stole my pants
>I have nothing to hide
DO IT! In public please
>>51380987
>being so off topic because everyone doesn't have a shit
>i'll just throw in W10 to make me look good and smart
Lel is this all linux fags have?
Okay
Bye
>>51380987
>if the NSA bogeyman gets my data he's stealing from me
>if I pirate a torrent I'm not stealing anything
Nice logic. What comes around goes around
>>51380222
I have lots to hide. For example I am into scat sex but I sure as hell don't want anyone other than my gf knowing that I like to shit on her chest.
>tfw using windows 10 and google chrome with nothing to hide
>>51380891
I think this pretty much sums up the issue
Though it IS a privacy issue and I think it's a huge legal and ethical issue - no one on the entire planet gives a fuck about you personally unless you're in contact with terrorists. Other than that, sleep easy.
>If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place....
>>51381049
>If I pirate a torrent
>.torrent files are illegal
:^)
>>51381124
"terrorist" is a label that can be applied to anyone the government doesn't like. The government can and does conduct witch hunts that ruin the lives of everyday people who are completely innocent. Some anon already mentioned COINTELPRO. That was not very many years in the past. Neither was the Red Scare and McCarthyism, really. Before that we had Japanese internment in WWII, the Espionage Act and the Sedition Act in WWI (Basically, you could be arrested and tried in a military court for being anti-war), and so on and so on.
You're a fool if you think it can't happen again.
>What are people worried about? What is the problem? Are you doing something you're not supposed to?
>>51380869
A normie meme from 3 years ago>>51380874
>>51381212
It can happen again
But it probably won't
Well that's incredibly cavalier of you. What if you're wrong, and it does? Why should we take the chance, and let the government even have the capability, now that we have the means to remove it from them?
>>51380222
We all have something to hide. Data breaches wouldn't be a concern if this weren't true.Anyone collecting data has a huge responsibility to protect it and personally,I don't trust anyone to do this.Keep eating shit from your hands faggots.
>>51380474
Not in France :D
knowledge is power
> how much knowledge do you want strangers to have about you?
>>51380524
And this post PERFECTLY illustrates the reason people are for some reason complacent with the NSA spying and such.
They only expect privacy in their own social circles.
Got news for all of them though: The world is smaller than you think. Those agencies, are made of PEOPLE, and they DO end up doing things like passing around pictures they found amusing, hot, interesting, etc. They then show their friends, and those friends upload it to some 4chan-ish or facebook-ish or tumblr-ish site. Then it gets tagged and shared via social media.
...
Then your mom sees your dick pics.
Is anyone here SERIOUSLY okay with a huge violation of your constitutional rights? If you are, you're what's wrong with America. Please leave.
>>51381440
thank you based anon
>>51380894
>>51380930
This.
It's not a matter of being boring, being currently not doing anything illegal (that you know of), etc.
It's a matter of that information is power. And one day, you might have someone or some thing that's worth protecting (or maybe even just yourself), and someone will use all that information they gathered from you against you.
And then you'll understand... spying on its own citizens allows the government to control everything and everyone, because EVERYONE has something to hide, and something to fear.
EVERYONE.
>>51381440
you're jerking it to loli porn, aren't you?
>>51380517
>:D
REEEEEEEEE
>>51381432
I really am just so surprised at how Nazi / Commie all this stuff is... and people these days are eating it up.
I think that needs to be mentioned more. The Nazis in WWII said shit like this. And almost everyone agrees that shit wasn't cool, at least with most people.
HOW is the government selling people on this? In the 60's, there'd have been riots and people forced to resign over this kind of shit.
Now days?
OMG! HAVE YOU SEEN MY SELFIE ON MY FACEBOOK STACEY!?!?! SOOOO HOT!
Although I know the reasoning behind why people don't care, it's really just laziness, ignorance, narcissism and stupidity on their parts at the core. And people are proud of it these days. I don't understand it myself, even knowing the reasoning behind it that the normalfags use.
>>51381471
Says the person looking up donkey shows...
>>51381544
>damage control
I wonder if they would eventually declassify all documents. I bet there's nothing to worry about.
>>51380222
I have one thing to hide but I won't tell you what it is.
>>51380930
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
>>51380222
my facebooks accounts are fake, i've padded my name with phoney pointers to incomprehensible false identities, i don't use a cell phone, and my email is also under a false name and directs to all sorts of crazy locations
keep following the ghost you plebe
>>51380222
I really don't give a shit if the NSA wants to track what we do. It'll help prevent future terror attacks, like the one that just happened in France. If these big companies dropped encryption, lives could have been saved that day. But the encryption and privacy meme are in full force right now thanks to that traitor Snowden.
If you aren't a terrorist or pedophile, you shouldn't be worried about NSA 'spying'.
>>51381669
>>51381728
>truth is now bait
Okay.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear. So why do they feel the need to look?
>>51381700
Which of the two is Edward Snowden?
>Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say
>>51381806
He's a terrorist because he literally revealed this information to the world, betraying his own country.
>>51381771
I'd learn crypto if I had anything to hide.
>>51381821
>On June 14, 2013, United States federal prosecutors filed a criminal complaint against Snowden, charging him with theft of government property, and two counts of violating the Espionage Act through unauthorized communication of national defense information and "willful communication of classified communications intelligence information to an unauthorized person." Each of the three charges carries a maximum possible prison term of ten years. The charge was initially secret and was unsealed a week later.
>>51380222
If you've done nothing wrong
You have nothing to fear
If you've something to hide
You shouldn't even be here
- Pet Shop Boys "Integral"
>>51380555
Didn't a member of Blizzard do something hilarious like that on the Blizzard forums when real-name logins were going to be a thing?
He was like "Look, it's perfectly safe, my real name is X Y"
And within a few hours or so the people who were protesting the real-name logins had his address, email address, parent's address, Facebook and Twitter accounts, and photos from out the front of his house.
Needless to say, the thread was deleted and the real-name logins plan was scrapped.
The CIA is claiming that more surveillance could have stopped the attacks in Paris. Normies will fall for that shit.
>>51380222
It is a difference if the dude that sees my shit is either
- a storage provider employee
- the nsa
- the police
- a random faggot on the internet
- someone I know and care about
Each of those is a different level of concern, the nsa and isp employee being the ones completely irrelevant to my interest.
Been on /g/ long enough to know most of you don't know shit about how to protect your online privacy. Many of you have any clue what to do.
Can't even tell anymore if anons are trolling when they post "if you've got nothing to hide". So many retards out there I bet at least 1/2 of you believe that shit.
>>51380584
If you posted your passport and shit like you said you would be fucked m8. Don't even try and deny it.
>>51380584
And what happens when the info is stolen?
Go ask the US government employees who had their SSNs and fingerprint records jacked recently.
>>51382079
>[citation needed]
>>51382079
my parents both did some work for government related organizations, and their info was in that leak.
>>51382079
If you're talking about the NSA specifically, it's not viable for anyone to steal ALL that data. They'd be waiting years and years, and need to keep buying hard drives - it's not viable to do. The issue would be SOME people's data being compromised.
>>51380222
TRIPS
R
U
T
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>A subject of controversy, Snowden has been variously called a hero, a whistleblower, a dissident, a patriot, and a traitor.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34839800
RIP UK
>>51380383
"Sir, our alien super powers have determined this dude liked horse cock porn. We shall go back in time and make fun of him."
>>51381821
he leaked information on surveillance programs
when he did this, people defended the programs he exposed by saying that
>if you don't do anything wrong than you don't have anything to hide
while simultaneously calling him a traitor for exposing hidden information
>>51380517
You do realize you're basing this on conjecture and nothing else, right? Other than social defamation through dissemination of (mis)information to people the person knows, there's little else you can do with a photo of someone and their name.
What do you think, you'll just apply for a credit card and instead of filling out the sheet just send them a picture of the person?
>"Sir, there's something going on here. He didn't fill out the sheet, he just... sent a photo of himself with his name and the date..."
>"LOOKS GOOD TO ME, PUT THAT ON THROUGH."
>"But... sir, I don't think that-"
>"I DON'T PAY YOU TO THINK SHIT BRAIN, I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL HIRE 12 PAKIS IN YOUR PLACE FOR HALF THE PRICE."
>"Yes, sir. Sorry, sir. Never again, sir."
>>51380561
I do agree with this being a problem. Social faux pas and the disconnect between the people it effects and the people who have access to it can create many a social problem.
We cannot trust people, so therefore we cannot trust government or agencies.
NSA employees would troll their ex's and spy on them specifically because of reasons, which is definitely an abuse of power.
That being said, BEING able to do that is a really good feeling. So I can see how people can do it. I would do it!
>>51380583
>"Hey boss, I uh... I'm not sure what I'm looking at here. This guy just gave us his name and Facebook login..."
>"Huh... well, that's... huh... I guess read all his messages? If you find something funny remember to post it to the internal funny board so we can all have a laugh."
>>51383183
>lol you can't do anything even if i do post my name and picture
>still won't post name and picture
get ⅽuⅽked
>>51380222
If it is known that I have a furry dickgirl fetish and it would damage my social life, that would be something I would fear and want to keep hidden.
>TFW you've never uploaded your picture to the internet
>>51380726
tape
>>51380836
well you never know whos going to be elected or what will happen after they do
the machine can be turned on its people
>>51380222
i fear terrorists, that's why i'm willing to trust NSA with my data
i bet you rape little kids you sick fuck
>>51385376
no, haven't you seen desktop threads? they're pedophiles but too beta to even talk to a little girl
>>51385376
>i fear
and that fear is how the corporations control you
>>51386276
You're paranoid
I don't have a full name online or even post pictures of myself. I'm anonymous. Only people with Facebook have lost access to their info.
>>51382042
>year 2030
>you get drunk
>send a dick pic
>the NSA catches it
>lose your job for harassment
the future you chose
its insane how little everyone cares about nsa gchq prism spying on everyone
>>51386482
>>I'm anonymous
>being this naive
>>51385376
>I fear Terrorists.
>So I let NSA/my country fuck me in the ass
OK and how did you co.e to conclusion that letting your civil and human rights to be denied help against terrorists?
lol
>>51386569
If employers wanted to find dirt on me, they'd find NOTHING.
>>51380222
But I do have stuff to hide, fuck off.
>Ahmed bombs your country with crap home made shit.
>was a suicide attack
>Somehow restricting the rights of regular people shod stop this
how
>hmm this guy has a facebook page, I guess he's probably alright, it's clear that he's got nothing to hide
>this other guy on the other...no facebook page...totally off the grid...spends his time posting on anonymous chinese cartoon imageboards...could be a possible dissident, better open up a file on him
>>51380222
>mfw nothing to hide
>mfw nothing to fear
>>51380906
Don't laugh now. Future campaigns may very well have candidates promising to be tough on shitposting.
>>51386917
>ITT: autism
>>51381531
>Although I know the reasoning behind why people don't care, it's really just laziness, ignorance, narcissism and stupidity on their parts at the core
I think the reason is that we get fed with so much bullshit from all sides, all the time, that we no longer know what to believe, and slowly start to just not care. I know I'm going through the exact same state with the "refugee" crisis in Europe. I just don't care anymore, even though I should be fighting tooth and nail over this shit.
Fits Brave New World perfectly.
Someone please explain this rationale for me.
>Terrorists do a one way suicide mission and die (bombings, attacks etc.)
>Somehow restricting the civil liberties and human rights of people who are not suicide bombers works against suicide bombers
TELL
ME
THE LO;GIC
BEHIND THIS
?? ?W HAT DOES TERRORIST CARE ABOUT THIS ````??+ HE GOES FUCKING UNDERGROUND AND THEN BOOM BOOm
Mean while it affects millions of people that are innocent.
fucking LOL
>>51388198
>Terrorists hide among "refugees" and infiltrate countries
>Commits terror attacks
>"Letting in more refugees is the only solution to fix this!!!"
Yeah I don't get it either.
>>51388223
But anybody with more than 300$ and a passport can buy a plane ticket.
Do you blame mexicans for 911 too?
>>51388223
Yeah the solution would be stop fucking with the middle east. I guess having 200 hundred die in France is cheap price for getting a strong grip on the oil in the middle east.
Just little collateral damage of which your government and corporations do not care about.
>>51388245
1) Mexicans didn't plan and commit 9/11
2) It was proven that one of the terrorist in the Paris attack came in with the "refugees", and it has been documented that Daesh fuckers has been hiding amongst "refugees" and infiltrated Europe
>>51388257
I'm not american.
We, the people, were strong armed through UN to participate in the Afghani and Iraqi war (also, because of our bootlicking politicians), and we are now the ones who has to suffer from a crisis created by america, while americans has the audacity to tell us how to handle the situation.
>>51388282
It was proven that the France Government does not want more inmigrants in their Country, who are running away from a war invented by the elite and corporations.
I don't have any proof, but I bet your source is the French goverment.
>>51388355
So what you're saying is that millions of the common people just have to suffer, because a few thousand businessmen and corrupt politicians decided to fuck everybody over?
That's some grade A delution there, my friend. I hope you will suffer from the cultural enrichment like we have to.
>>51388436
What are wars? Why aren't you in school, it is late.
>>51388459
That doesn't refute or challenge my point at all.
If you can't come up with anything other than shitposting, then maybe you should just back out.
>>51388500
You are rambling more than I do, officer.
>>51388511
You're the one who brought up Mexicans in an arguement about muslims.
>>51388500
What is your point? Blatant Xenophobia is not proof of anything.
Maybe france intelligence is total crap, since they've been spying everybody for years and couldn't stop a very expansive and complex attack, and they can't afford to do their job, closing the frontiers instead.
Implying the top terrorists are checking in on Facebook, and don't know about the existence of tape recorder and letters.
>>51388609
>Close the frontiers/borders
>Terrorists just buy a plane ticket
kek
There are people who don't know that governments who are not promoting full encryption of everything are shooting themselves on the foot.
Dumbasses is way more dangerous to let foreign governments read the messages of normal people from you country than your own government not being able to read their own people's communications.
Full encryption of everything, even civilian communications is completely necessary for national security and whoever doesn't know that is stupid as fuck.
>>51386494
>being a cis scum
>drink alcoholic drinks
HARAM
>>51388701
Non encrypted communications are a gift for foreign enemies.
>>51380222
I SWEAR SHE SAID SHE WAS 18
>>51388639
How about meeting and discussing their plans in person? The government should start mass surveillance on people's person to person conversations.
>>51388701
Didn't the British Parliament propose to ban encryption, just to be hacked a few days later by people who wanted to prove just how retarded an idea that is?
>>51388609
30%, or 400 million, of muslims support jihad and sharia. We are well over the point of being biased bigots. Shit's just become very real in the last 20 years.
But of course, it's very easy to be generous and high and mighty when it's not your ass being on the line.
>>51388875
What changed in these 20 years? Where does terrorism comes from? Why the sharia awoke from it's slumber?
>>51389028
I suppose America started to force it's oil policy more and more in midlde east.
ISIS comes from the officers that were disappointed how America handled things in post-invasion Iraq (IIRC)
>Why Sharia awoke
no idea
>>51389045
Sorry, I meant "Why the Jihad awoke from it's slumber".
And the answer is obvious for anybody with enough knowledge of social psychology.
>>51389076
Well wouldn't you go to to war if some alliance like the west was constantly ordering you around and going to war in your area?
>>51389107
Who attacked first? The main excuse for 9/11 was the Jihad, started by a group protected by a poor and fanatic government.
>>51380324
Don't you know, anon? You don't get your 5th amendment rights until you are informed of them. :^)
As if anyone cares about bunch of anime watching neckbeards jerking off to hentai.
>>51380584
>Whoever is spying on you is not going to do that. Just because they have the capability to do it, that doesn't mean they will. The police can kill you, but (usually) they don't shoot innocent people. The government can jail you, it doesn't mean they will.
things already happened. remember the STASI or the GESTAPO?
>>51389441
STASI and Gestapo or fucking child's play and easy to avoid compared to Google/NSA/GCHQ/PRISM/ etc.
>>51389453
i agree but NSA/Google/GCHQ/PRISM wouldn't have happened if people would remember history.
>>51389494
lol google xD
>>51380222
I'm not merrikan
/thread
>>51391759
Being this naive
/bubble
>>51391776
I'm not naive
/thread
>>51380222
Saying that you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide is the same as saying that you don't need free speech because you have nothing to say.
-Snowden
>>51381669
Look at the facts. The reviews done on them have shown that they have not stopped a single attack.
Those who give up essential liberty for a little temporary safety deserve neither.
I sometimes venture into loli thread just for research...ummm yeah
>>51389210
>hentai
depends on the kind
>>51380222
Long term chronic pain along with repeated seemingly insurmountable failure and self disappointment seems to have made me unable to feel fear from most sources. That's partly physical (brain damage / atrophy from constant pain perception), and an adaptive psychological state.
As for hiding, I'm apt to like privacy. Partly in an emotion sense, and partly because I'm not so braindead as to not realize how useful even the most tiny scrap of personal information can be.
Including a picture of a tube. Tunnel vision and the intuitive path of least resistance, is not always the correct viewpoint.
Who cares
>>51391985
>facts
lol
>>51392294
bait.jpg
>>51381669
DUDE YOU SUCK
anyways:
what big companies should've dropped encryption?
what big companies support e2e encryption at all?
what stops any terrorist from installing pgp on his smartphone and encrypting all his emails manually (anybody can do it, it's almost completely foolproof)?
if the people who really care about not getting caught (the 'traitors', the terrorists and the criminals) can easily encrypt there shit strong enought so the US GOV cant get them, what use is stopping widespread encryption?
if criminals can already easily make their messages unreadable to intelligence agencies, why not make this the standard? why no e2e encryption for all messaging environments?
>>51380584
This kind of logic (or this kind of lack of logic) is exactly that which made fascism possible, not only in germany and italy, but in the soviet union and in russia as well.
Just because you're current government is sort of friendly to you, you shouldn't give them the power to know everything about you, and you should never ever give them the knowledge to know everything about everyone.
This is the problem with big state archives on people.
Do you know in what country the biggest percentile of jews that lived there was killed during the holocaust?
It wasn't Germany, where Hitler had lots of time and lots of people to do it.
It wasn't Austria, where he had the second most time and people, either.
It was The Netherlands.
Do you know why?
The only reason why, is that the netherlands had kept an exact, organised and true database of all it's citizens.
Of course, it was a paper database, but a database nonetheless.
It held lots of seamingly not to dangerous or significant data, or at least data that seemed to be.
Data like your birthday , your parents, your grandparents, where you were born, etc.
But also your religion.
This had seemed a not to important or significant fact about people, and the only reason it was in there was because the government officials liked doing something completely, and writing down as much on everybody as they could find.
The results of this single small entry in the enormous database of the dutch government, was huge.
It resulted in lots of deaths, and didn't really help anybody.
Storing data on persons just for the heck of it, just because it might prove useful later on seems reasonable, especially if you think everybody might turn out to be a terrorist.
But it is not.
It is a really stupid thing, and you should never ever do it.
NEVER SAVE PERSONAL DATA UNLESS YOU HAVE TO
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>>51394113
why would you be botherd by surveilance unless you are up to something you shouldnt be doing in the first place?
I have nothing to hide
>>51380642
I think we both know what his favorite pass-time is
>>51394637
Re-read the post above yours.
Jews had absolutely nothing to hide. Until Hitler invaded the Netherlands. Then a seemingly benign question like "what's your religion?" got them sent to the gas chambers years later. Whether or not you think Jews should or should not be gassed is irrelevant, the fact is that they "had nothing to hide" and it ended up fucking them over later.
>>51394913
He is baiting
>>51394913
But we live in a democracy now!
>>51394927
I agree
>>51394927
I've met plenty of people who are stupid enough to do what he just did, so you'll have to excuse me for not having picked up on that.
>>51394959
Stop being so paranoid, unless you are this huge crime boss you literally have nothing to fear
>>51380324
Pleading the 5th means your answer may or may not incriminate you, so you choose not to provide it.
>>51385376
If god didn't want me to rape little kids, Why would he make my penis so small?
>>51380324
YOU dont say shit, you let the lawyer speak for you.
>>51395058
why do you need a lawyer if you are innocen?
>>51395097
>thinking wanting a lawyer paints me into a corner
i dont pretend to know the law as well as a lawyer. anyone who does is fucking stupid.
>>51381375
Because they're doing great rn.
>>51395193
>i dont pretend to know the law as well as a lawyer. anyone who does is fucking stupid.
It's the times we live in - everyone's a self proclaimed expert nowadays.
Even as a law student, I always seek the advice of my mentor before doing anything. If I'm going to small claims, I make sure it's worthwhile by running it by him. He's the business lawyer, not me. If I dived right in, and didn't ask him to check my filing, I'd get butchered by some manufactured Indian lawyer called Sanjeev, or worse.
And then there's phil and engineer students, who love to come to our building to start petty arguments over points of law they don't really understand, or go to court armed with paltry bits of legislation they've misinterpreted. They think that because they can read English, they can read law and not get fucked over.
This trend of "self medication", if you like, needs to go away. It's harmful. People can get away with it, but it's simply not worth the risk.
