All right /g/. Let's do this again.
What was Apple thinking in putting this out if they are targeting the power user? iPad Pro doesn't run OS X and it makes the iPad Pro incapable of drawing the full productivity suite against SP4.
Why is it that Microsoft doesn't include LTE and GPS modem with SP4 when this is a very common usage scenario? Moreover, why is it that there's no power cover to extend endurance of the SP4?
Is Apple really capable of topping the Intel Iris graphics in 3D? Most won't have much illusion about hardcore gaming on either, but can Apple even do older core games such as Witcher 2 with it?
>>51292689
>Why is it that Microsoft doesn't include LTE and GPS modem with SP4 when this is a very common usage scenario?
Because you can just plug one into the USB port.
Also considering the fact that the vast majority of people own a 3/4G phone that is able to create a hotspot it's almost redundant.
>>51292742
That means Microsoft is throwing its arms up over the convergence in mobility in a way. Their own Windows Phone is a distant third place as it is right now. Apple can reliably do this with iPad given their iPhone offerings, but they still retain LTE modem as a potential option for its users.
>>51292761
You can reliably do this with any smart phone, assuming your service provider isn't some ass that tries to restrict it's use.
So hol up.
If I'm going with SP4 then 4GB RAM and 128GB ain't gonna cut it.
Which means I need the i5 model
Does the i5 model have heat and fan noise problems?
It never ceases to impress me on how innovative apple is. They just know how to expertly meld perfect hardware and software to create such a unique experience. With the introduction of their no doubt expertly crafted pencil, I hope that Wacom takes notice and implements some of this elegance or else in a year every professional will be exclusively using the pencil.
Microsoft on suicide watch lol maybe next time guys!
>what was Apple thinking
lmao who cares the sales of the first week will surpass that GDP of an African nation anyway.
The bigger question is why are ADOBE making software for this and not for Linux?
>>51292689
The iPad pro is an exquisite mix between design and performance. With the added Apple Pencil and surround quad-speaker setup, it can hardly be matched by any other product on the market. You can not go wrong by chosing the masterfully crafted Apple iPad Pro.
>>51294581
Because within a month there will be more iPad pros than Linux machines being sold.
>>51294581
Time to red pill you anon, iOS is the best operating system in the world and Adobe knows this. If you want to be a creative professional looking forward to the future you need to be aware of this. It's unfortunate more people don't realize this yet. Linux is for basement dwelling script kiddie virgins so why would they ever make software for these children instead of professionals?
>>51294640
I couldn't have said it better myself.
In a world flooded by low quality products why wouldn't you chose the one brought to you by seasoned Apple artisans who can only offer the best?
>>51294581
1. iPad sales probably outnumber Linux users. Or to be more focused, far more people will buy an iPad with creative media in mind than people who plan the same with Linux. And I say this as the guy in the local creative circles who insists on running Linux on his laptop.
2. iPad users will actually pay for stuff. If you're still mad/in denial, then consider throwing some money at the GIMP and Krita projects
With its scale, with the way you use it, iPad has always been uniquely immersive.
To amplify this, to put it on a larger scale, the iPad Pro has been made.
>>51294581
Because they want to make money.
I'll just wait for reviews desu.
Apple is saying this they completely re-engineered the screen and now is 'the best touchscreen they even created'. I have to wait and see.
The questing here is if you want a Mobile OS or a Desktop OS. The Surface gives you more freedom but the iPad is more comfortable and practical in daily/casual use.
>>51294714
With its scale...
with the way you use it..
iPad has always been uniquely...
immersive.
>>51294793
I trully appologize Ive - san.
>>51294714
I have to say. If apple know one thing, it is how to advertise their shit.
I wasn't even remotely interested on this until I saw that promo
Here it is for reference
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlYC8gDvutc
I already had pre-ordered one iPad pro and I was thinking about getting a second one to fully immerse myself in movies and be able to post on here at the same time all while being able to do my art. I can't imagine how productive two of these things could make you!
The only thing I would be worried if is how loud the speakers will be. Luckily I've got my wireless beats by dre to use at night!
>>51294769
We completely reengineered the touch subsystem...
Increasing the sensitivity of the sensors...
And doubling the refresh rate...
It's actually the most advanced display we've made...
And with five point six million pixels it has the highest resolution of any iOS device.
>>51294827
Same here to be honest when they revealed it, the pencil especially, I thought it was brilliant, until I checked the specs and shit other manufacturers do.
>>51294827
wow that was so inspirational thanks for sharing
Ive is such a genius we're lucky to have him
>>51294846
link senpai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iicnVez5U7M
that music too.
>>51294827
This is the biggest thing that people seem to overlook. Apple are brilliant at their marketing. Having used the Surface RT (and actually liked the feature set it offered) the Surface line-up isn't something to dismiss out of hand. M$ need to get better on the advertising, because they don't know how to sell it to the casual user, they focus way too much on the productivity (which is their core market, so I can't completely fault them for that). Apple can do that and make their products become desirable items that people are prepared to pay over the odds for.
Also, OP, iOS and Windows 10 can't compare. One is exclusively a mobile OS and the other is a slight improvement on the mess that was it's predecessor. Plus, with the near ubiquitous coverage of WiFi, I feel that cramming a 4G modem into the device is now becoming rather redundant.
>>51294271
No longer. I took the i7 for a spin, and Skylake is notably better imo.
>>51294640
>>51294581
Adobe on iOS is improving, but there's a limit to what it can do. Apple isn't going to take this thing and give it enough power for AutoCAD when OS X rigs can, and there's a reason why people made 3d party macbook pro tablet mods (modbook,) since desktop suite is very much needed for productivity purposes.
I am going to be frank. Unless if Apple finally bites and bullet and take a Macbook Air and make it into a tablet, and then giving OS X an iOS interface, it will not have a product on equal ground to the Surface Pro.
>>51295233
Why strive for equality when it's already the superior more powerful and productive device? I have no doubt adobe will eventually only exclusively offer iOS and osx versions of their software and drop support elsewhere. They already know actual professionals use apple products only so it's just a matter of time.
>>51294769
And that's where I have serious problem with the iPad Pro. The asking price of it means that a user will be coming in and expect to use it more for productivity than for daily casual usage, and that's a use case where I must serious consider either going with this or to go with MBA/MBP. I can't have my cake and eat it here. It is either that I get the tablet form factor and lose out on production suite available through OSX, or I go with MBA/MBP and lose out on a digitizer that can draw directly on the screen as with Cintiq.
>>51295278
Because I fucking don't.
I DON'T have final cut pro on iOS.
I DON'T have AutoCAD on iOS.
I DON'T have Teamviewer through iOS.
I DON'T HAVE Acrobat XI Pro on iOS.
I don't necessary need Office suite, but this is what I am missing here. I can't use the iPad pro without lugging MBA with it.
>>51295278
>>51295330
I forgot to add VMWare on top of that.
While you may just be saying that iPad is the best ironically, I am unironically miffed at a lack of OSX tablet with adequate touch interface.
>>51295330
Maybe you should trust in Apple's vision. They are expert artisans so it's only a matter of time before the iPad is the best device to be productive and creative with
>>51295348
Maybe you should unironically be using OSX as a productivity tool, instead of just sitting at a Starbuck slipping a cup of latte on an iPad.
>>51295370
I won't be shackled to a table at a Starbucks where everyone is already using a MacBook. The iPad gives you the freedom to be productive and creative anywhere which is truly magical and awe inspiring
>>51295370
>>51295330
>getting trolled this hard
Just use Surface if you are going to run VMWare and the works on a tablet. iPad will never have that in mind.
What do you even use these things for? What are they tablets or what?
>>51296675
iPad Pro is just large iPad tablet with no Desktop OS. Just your regular iPad.
Surface 4 is the real deal. Its basically a laptop PC in a form of tablet and comes with Windows 10. You can also buy Surface 3 which is cheaper at 499 and also comes with Windows.
>>51295402
welcome back Steve
>>51295283
The eternal struggle of the artist.
If iPad could run full Photoshop/Manga Studio, I'd buy it in a fucking heartbeat
If Surface Pro 4 had an apple quality stylus, I'd buy it in a fucking heartbeat
If Cintiq companion had better build quality with reasonable battery and fan noise, I'd buy it in a fucking heartbeat.
The thing is, the cost of these machines doesn't bother me. It's just that if i'm forking out that much cash I shouldn't have to tolerate dealbreaking shortcomings
>>51297005
I have the Surface pro 2 largely due to the fact that it uses Wacom instead of the then-immature N-trig. SP4 on Skylake is acceptable for my needs as I just have to sketch some diagram occasionally.
I think they'll just make whatever software people need for ipad pro. Developers will make some big bucks in the process. It's apple, they don't need to follow existing roads and can create their own because people are throwing money on their every little fart anyway.
>>51294528
>expertly crafted pencil
snigger
>>51296744
So if i want something tactile i can get the surface pro, otherwise i can just grab a laptop right?
>>51292689
>iPad Pro doesn't run OS X and it makes the iPad Pro incapable of drawing the full productivity suite against SP4.
i honestly think the bigger problem is input. touchscreen just isn't as accurate as the classic screen-keyboard-mouse thing.
most people, even professionals (save some specialists) could probably make do with mobile versions but using touch just slows everything down
as a macfag, i don't get it. i might watch the keynote later
>>51297501
Why would it have to slow anything down if you can plop down a mouse when you need to use it in a stationary environment? Surface has that going for it, so why couldn't iPad Pro designed to function as an MBA as well?
>>51292689
Apple is playing the long game, they`re signalling to major software makers that it`s time to port their productivity shit to the iPad Pro and away from OSX.
Apple wants to destroy intel and amd even at the cost of their own Macbooks because fuck paying those guys the license fees. They also have much more control over iOS and the whole ecosystem over OSX. That`s why I think they`ve released Lel Crapitan in such a buggy state.
>>51297563
it's a touch OS
>>51297613
So you are saying that it is pointless to create a touch interface for the OS X when iOS clearly is made from iOS kernel?
>>51297627
iOS is made from same kernel.
>>51297636
that was just convenient. to use something they already have.
it's awkward design is all.
>>51297599
interesting theory, but how long until we get proper photoshop on ipad pro?
>>51297650
that`s for Adobe to decide, I think the ones who would benefit the most would be animators. Wacom might not survive this.
I don`t think Apple is concerned with Adobe, they`re betting that a new alternative will become the standard for normalfags. Apple pretty much abandoned the pro marked and is focused on creating a new generation of consumers.
>>51292689
Maybe they thought that people wanted tablet software on a tablet and not software created for mouse and keyboard.
Whats the point in tablets when all you do is attaching a keyboard to use it like a laptop?
>>51297738
>Whats the point in tablets when all you do is attaching a keyboard to use it like a laptop?
to destroy dependency on x86 architecture and the whole of laptop market.
>>51297738
And most who will buy iPad pro will also buy a detachable keyboard, just wait and see
>>51297810
Doesn't matter, its a pure touch device without those extras. The keyboard is an input helper if you have to type many things, not intended as the primary input device. I'd much rather just have the pencil (which should have supported older iPads too) instead of the keyboard.
OSX has no touch software, the existing apps only work on x86 while iOS has tons of touch software and works on hardware better suitable for mobile. Releasing it with OSX would just be a bad idea, cause that means selling a tablet with non-existent app ecosystem for touch. Selling a device that needs extras like a pluggable keyboard and pencil just to work as intended is simply not compatible with Apples product philosophy on top of that.
The only reason why Microsoft is releasing Surface pro like that is cause they want to push into the tablet market but literally don't have anything else to offer except of x86 apps. It was a good move by apple to not just copy them but to benefit from their strength (best touch application ecosystem available)
>>51294271
>heat and fan noise problems
That's called a computer ya dumbfuck. Are you worried the screen will light up sometimes too?
>>51298069
>I only use HP computers
Someone explain this to me. Why is it that iPad Pro with A9X would be behind against ANY surface pro 4 in browsing endurance test?
>>51298324
I don't know, did they connect the battery in the surface type cover during that test?
