At night, do you let your computer sleep, hibernate, hybrid sleep or shut down?
>>50789288
Shut down, boot is so fast with an SSD anyway
>>50789288
With my Mac I put it to sleep, as close the lid = sleep mode, and it's fine.
My PC I shut down, as the power light flashing is obnoxious and it keeps the fans on during sleep mode.
>>50789294
>he fell for the SSD meme
sleep
shutdown to install updates every 7 days.
>>50789288
I usually just close the lid of my macbook, so it's on standby all the time. Rarely shut it down. Pic related, not supposed to be an impressive uptime, but it's probably what it's usually like.
>>50789318
>>50789288
I just leave the computer on. Should I put it in sleep mode instead?
>>50789318
>shutdown to install updates every 7 days.
>>>/v/
>>50789411
who plays games on a thinkpad running ubuntu?
>>50789317
This is now a meme
>>50789317
If "meme" = 80% faster boot time (over 2 minutes, down to seconds), no noticeable delay in clicking apps and them launching and the entire system feeling like a new machine, then meme me up frogboy!
>>50789467
>apps
I've always shut down my PC before going to bed each night, it's not like I can't wait for it to boot up in the morning while I do other stuff
>>50789467
>He fell for the "He fell for the X meme" meme
>>50789467
>apps
>>50789288
since I use linux it doesn't let my pc hibernate or sleep. shuting down is a pain because muh browser tabs.
linux devs probably don't fix those "bugs" because botnet doesn't work very well on shutdown pcs.
>>50789484
>>50789496
What else do you call them? "applications" posh fags.
>>50789306
What
>>50789508
Programs.
>>50789508
A program maybe? Even software ffs...
I have an ssd, but sleep mode is best due to the long wait of the bios.
Like really, its got to be at least 20 seconds of just bios then 10 seconds of windows loading...
sleep takes 3 seconds to start back up.
>>50789467
>boot time (over 2 minutes
time reinstall you windows and your "apps", faggot.
>mfw you don't know how to do that
>>50789499
>since I use linux it doesn't let my pc hibernate or sleep.
dig deeper into the options my friend.
>>50789528
>>50789524
My Mac disagrees with you old fuckers
>>50789508
>spouts apple marketing buzzwords
>calls anyone a fag
kek. They're programs you homo.
>>50789537
Fresh install, HDDs are just slow as shit. Anyone who thinks it's "meming" has never used an SSD, or they've got some cheap shit from China that was made in 2009.
>>50789541
literal faggot
>>50789366
This for me too. I shut it down when I leave the house, but otherwise it's on all night.
>>50789541
App store is a copyrighted name.
3/10 troll for making me bite the hook
I always shut down my computers because
>muh power consumption
>muh unmount encrypted drives
>>50789543
Ok gramps, stick with your 70's terminology
>>50789288
Shutdown is for old people
Hibernate is for long term
Sleep is superior in every way
I just leave it on all night, seeding. I use that "economy" energy configuration, but I'm not sure it does anything.
>>50789563
It's funny because "app" is an 80s term
>>50789563
If I was alive in the 70's I probably fucking would, because if I'd been using computers for that long I'd probably know a hell of a lot more about them than I do now or anybody else on this board does.
>>50789581
unless you have a crappy OC that disables intel stepping. its not going to do anything.
>>50789288
I lock the screen and contribute to global warming
>>50789589
Get in touch with Aston-Tate and call him a fag for using app in his "program" then.
Since replacing my motherboard I've started using hibernate instead of sleep as the new board doesn't have an S3 power state option so putting it to sleep keeps power going to the fans. I thought it would be terrible but it doesn't take very long to turn off (30 seconds maybe, even though I'm always using 10GB+ of memory) and waking up isn't significantly longer.
Really I don't see much reason to do a full shutdown, maybe if you're one of those people that only uses the computer just for browsing the internet and only one tab at a time and you're really stingy with your electricity bill.
>>50789306
Check your BIOS for the S3 power state, it's usually under an ACPI section.
Can someone explain to me why the shut down and boot sequence is known for damaging the computer ?
>>50789288
I leave it running.
>>50789550
i'm using a HDD and my pc boots in 39-46 seconds
I shut it down when I'm not using it. Even if it's just for an hour.
>not letting your computer get the 8 hours of sleep it so desperately needs
Are you a monster?
>>50789288
>Shutting down.
>Ever.
Fucking normalfags.
>>50789739
Something about quickly charging and discharging the circuitry in your computer.
>>50789798
I don't even get 8 hours sleep.
>>50789840
Exactly, you know how it feels.
Do you really want to do that to your computer?
You are more likely to get your computer damaged by electro-migration as you keep it running day and night than it would be damaged by boot cycles.
How does that feel now?
>>50789288
My computers a savage
All about that no lack
i cant turn it off if i wanted too
>>50789288
just turn it off nigger
>>50789757
that's really not impressive, honestly, that would be a pro-SSD argument.
Shut down unless there are some tasks running. I'm not a neckbeard who leaves his PC on just because "muh 89 tabs I never ever close but".
I dont pay the bill, so why turn it off?
>>50789288
First, it clocks down the processor, then spins down drives, before finally going to sleep about 20 minutes later.
>>50789894
I was not trying to impress. He was saying something about 120s for HDD, which is not true at all. I'm not denying SSD are faster to boot, but seriously how much more faster do you need ?
I don't think you can justify the difference of price.
>>50789838
So if one go for longevity, one should avoid shutting down his computer ?
>>50789855
Yes. I don't need 8 hours and neither does it.
>>50789947
That's a mean thing to say
>>50789494
Memeception
Shut down. What's the point in sleep/hibernate when SSDs exist now?
>>50789945
Or, at least, try not to shut it down as much.
>>50789757
i demand instant gratification, those boot times simply don't cut it for me
>>50789989
The point if sleep/hibernate is it lets you start where you left off, with all your programs and services running. Even with an SSD you've got to wait for all that stuff to load, and then if you have a browser with a significant amount of tabs open you've got to wait for all those to load as well (and videos to rebuffer, dead threads 404, still active threads start off from the top instead of the last viewed post, etc.).
Once you factor in all that you're no longer comparing 20 second to 40 second boot times, you're comparing a 10 second wake time to a multiple minute boot and load time even with an SSD.
>>50789288
I leave it on because I have network stuff going on in the background
>>50789989
>fell for the ssd meme
>>50789947
Dad?
>>50789450
Me, every other week or something.
>>50789467
>80% faster boot time
Do you boot up your main computer more than once per day?
>no noticeable delay in clicking apps and them launching and the entire system feeling like a new machine,
You launch applications more than once a day?
I've had SSDs and the amount of uptime and disk usage that I have simply doesn't allow SSDs to be a viable alternative to regular hard drives.
>>50789294
>SSD
My nigga. Really happy I put my OS and favorite game on one
>>50789288
...why would I turn my computer off?
>>50790162
>SSD no viable alternative
>implying its not the other way around
If you wanna use stone age tech go on how about you move to best Korea I heard there are people as deprecated as you are
>>50789288
Shut down, boot is so fast with an HDD with Debian anyway
>>50789288
Mine is set to sleep after being idle for 2 hours
I never shut it down unless required by something (updates etc.)
I turn it off because I hate ambient noise, hell I don't even let my Xbox one sit in standby mode cause I can hear the fan slightly spinning in the PSU.
With an SSD booting takes only 10 seconds anyway, so who cares.
ITT: Plebs whop only use their computer for Facebook and 4chan
>>50790206
SSD technology isn't new. Nor is it advanced.
It's being sold to morons who only use them for gaming. If you do anything other than that, SSDs are a money sink and a potential disaster unless you sync backups every day.
>he fell for the better performance and faster boot times = better meme
>he fell for the integrated circuit meme
>he fell for the transistor meme
>he fell for the pre-made graphics card meme
>he fell for the machine soldered motherboard meme
>he fell for the internet meme
>>50790255
True I just went through my 57th SSD that spontaneously combusted, killing my whole family multiple times and leaking all my information to other computers in a 10 mile radius. But them load times are worth it
>>50790255
>damn those evil ssds
>nothing but a money sink
>no good for anything but gaming
this is bait isnt it
>>50790314
>he fell for the meme meme
>>50790255
Sure tell yourself that while
>SSD's last longer
>SSD's are pretty much indestructable
>SSD's are faster
>SSD's use less powa (perfect for notebooks)
>SSD capacity's are rising and almost at HDD level
>>50790314
>falling for the electricity meme period
>not using an analytical engine to access 4chan
>not using water and pipes to simulate the flow in circuits
I leave my htpc / media server on all the time so other devices can always access it. My private desktop i let go to sleep.
>>50789294
I usually leave things running like a lot of chrome tabs/windows or something that i dont feel like restoring on a reboot.
>>50789518
Sleep in Mac OS is actually useful. Computer goes completely silent and only draws a few watts of power, but when you hit a button, it pops back to life instantly. Windows has hibernate, but that takes almost as long as a cold boot, and sleep in windows is worthless like that guy said. At least my computer at work keeps the fans running, the power light blinks on and off, and the monitors go dark.
>>50790397
Meanwhile in the real world
>SSDs die after less than a year of serious use (i.e. anything more than muh gaems)
>SSDs are pretty much as flimsy as cheap glass
>SSDs are faster
>SSDs use less power
>SSD capacity has hit a cap and isn't even 10% of HDD levels
>SSDs cost 10-50x as much as HDDs
>>50790468
That guy's sleep isn't functioning correctly, if he sets the correct power state in the BIOS it'll work the same as a Mac.
Hibernate, whilst taking longer than sleeping, has the advantage over a cold boot of saving everything that's in memory like sleeping. The advantages it has over sleeping are less power usage (sleep is minimal though) and the power light doesn't keep flashing (pretty sure that can be turned off when sleeping).
>>50789863
and how long does it take for this to be noticeable?
It runs 24/7 because I don't have money to buy a good multipurpose server.
>>50789467
>boot times over 2 minutes
Please L2computer,
This is the boot of a $350 Dell from 2006.
>>50790600
Same hard drive booting with a Phenom II X4 945.
I seed.
>>50790479
say muh name say muh name, when no one is around you say baby i love you if you aint running game, say my name say my name, you actin kinda shady ain't calling me baby why the sudden change? say muh nae say muhh name
>>50790600
>>50790612
Now imagine if you had SSD
>>50790397
>>SSD's last longer
You really don't do anything with your computer, do you?
Any intensive disk usage renders even the expensive SSDs of today useless after less than a year.
>>50789538
He probably means it doesn't work properly (I.E. won't wake after suspend or other issues). I can completely believe that.
>>50790656
Have fun with those IO errors and data corruption as soon as you start using those SSD for anything useful.
>>50789288
No.
>>50790717
0/10
>>50790750
They're almost two years old. The last time this pc was shut down was 5 months ago in a black out.
It torrents overnight and suspends when finished.
I've been meaning to get a separate, low-power ARM box to act as a NAS and torrent server. My desktop is reasonably power-efficient, but electricity is relatively expensive here (equivalent of 0.24 USD per kWh).
>>50789456
He fell for the "meme" meme
>>50790717
>Any intensive disk usage renders even the expensive SSDs of today useless after less than a year.
Have I some how managed to go back in time?
Nearly 16TB written to a 3 year old 128GB Samsung 830 and still going strong. By the time this drive is even close to dying I will have replaced it and the value you will so low that throwing it away won't be a big deal.
>>50789288
suspend
>>50789306
Unplug the power button led. Simple as that.
>>50790716
I got one. It wasn't any faster.
If you know what you're doing, a SSD really is a meme. A few things load substantially faster (like GIMP), but all in all there's practically no difference.
>>50789306
>power light flashing is obnoxious
If you for some reason don't want to open it and unplug the cable, go low-tech and put some black tape over it.
>it keeps the fans on during sleep mode
It isn't truly in sleep mode, then. There should be no moving parts whatsoever in sleep.
>>50790854
>I got one. It wasn't any faster.
Lmfao, try running this without a SSD, have fun with the 3 minute wait times.
whenn no one is around you say baby i love you
>>50790921
>mah edge case placebo speeds
SSDfags in a nutshell.
I just turn off the display
>>50790931
Denial.
It was unplayable on the piece of piss seagate >>50790656
But I wouldn't know what I'm talking about, it's not like I've ran it on both.
>>50789739
Starting up a fully shutdown machine sends a surge of electricity through it.
>>50790977
>bog down a shitty Playskool RPG with 17GB of shitty freetard mods
>"This is what you need a SSD for!"
I play real games.
>>50790921
Some people do actual work on their computers and don't play games.
I unplug it from the wall
>>50790063
How much shit do you have running on startup? I always shut down and it's no issue. You can still set your browser to open your last tabs if it's really that much of an issue. Regardless of HDD/SSD, if you actually maintain your OS it shouldn't take very long to boot.
Leave it on, shut it down as needed to install updates or for extended absences.
Sleep does nothing on a windows box so far as I can tell and my computer idles at like 4watts. Not missing that $3/yr.
Haven't used hibernation in a long time -- boards that don't have problems with it still need to offload RAM into NV memory I think (usually the harddrive) and since I have 24gb of that, it can take a while. Longer than reboot takes on a SSD anyways.
>>50789499
pm-suspend you dumb fuck
>>50789288
I shut it down because my fucking gayming mouse stays lit up
>>50791146
The gear I've got turns off with the monitor. Might be in settings somewhere for you.
>>50789739
Same reason as for aircraft. Going from no load to highload quik
>>50789538
Hint: it's related to usb.core and such...
>>50791162
Nah m8 I rooted around in the bios
No hibernation support and sleep mode keeps the mouse powered
Luckily full shutdown turns off all the lights
A man's gotta sleep
>>50791146
Can't you just unplug the mouse?
>>50791214
It's annoying plugging that shit in every time I want to boot up
Literally takes longer than the boot
>>50791192
Nah, not bios: in the management software for your gear -- like where you program memory buttons and such? eg. Razer Synapse software for me.
(inb4 Razer omglol)
>>50791250
>in the management software for your gear
kek I don't even have that
it's just a mouse that lights up
no controls whatsoever
i never shut it off cuz im not a pleb
>>50791054
>>50791061
I have 4 SSDs and a 7870 gpu, doesn't that seem odd? This is a work computer lmfao, plug and play that shit niggas.
>>50791287
Pull the plug like a boss.
>>50789936
You can spend $40 and get a 120 gb ssd which, even with all the unemployed people on /g/, isn't much money.
>>50790717
This is no longer the case with flash memory.
Any drive made in the last 2-3 years will last longer than a HDD now. The write limit is gone.
>>50791454
Write cycles are decreasing, moron. They're needing to implement greater and greater levels of ECC to try to make up for the fact that your data is dying left and right.
>>50789288
PC - shutdown.
Laptop - sleep (or shutdown if necessary).
>>50791495
http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
>>50789467
>2 minute boot time
literally entirely fragmented DOS 3.0 tier
I have no SSD, just 8.1/10 and I have 14-15 seconds or so
>inb4 all the programs start after that and it takes time bullshit people claim to defend their SSDs
not my problem if you have 50 autostart programs
The Macbook goes to sleep because i just close the lid whenever i'm done with it
PC stays on if i'm downloading something
Otherwise i just shut it down because usually i'm already in bed and i don't want to go around using the PC to put it into sleep so i just press the power button.
>>50789288
When my computer boots this fast I don't mind shutting down
>>50791691
you skipped the start and end...
>>50791726
the bios shows for 2 seconds but nothing can speed that up anymore
then machine is fully booted when the video ends. i can just click firefox and im done
>>50791755
>Nothing can speed that up
Install coreboot and configure it to launch as fast as possible.
>>50791859
did that on my x200 but it was only 1/2 second faster and had some bugs compared to the lenovo bios
>>50791911
All in the name of speed.
>>50791532
It stands to reason magnetic storage lives longer, but it would be interesting to see if it could do more than double these write numbers. Granted the cache on the control chip probably burns out before the platter control mechanisms...
>>50789757
Mine SSD boot into ubuntu in 6s with 4s of that is only bios boot screen. Seriously this is proSSD argument.
>>50791532
>http://techreport.com/review/27909/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-theyre-all-dead
Thanks for that article. I don't think I've written enough data in 10 years to kill an ssd.
>>50789294
This.
Hybrid sleep, because I don't want to have to reopen my work spaces
>>50790063
>>50789989
When I'm working on something it's much easier to hibernate and pick up exactly where I left off than re-open god knows how many source files, browser tabs, whatever else I've got open.
I shut it off
It would make my room too warm if I didn't
>>50789288
Nope.
>>50789306
You are enforcing the Mac user meme so hard right now
>>50791097
>How much shit do you have running on startup?
Not a huge amount. I do however have monitoring programs on one of my other displays, so if I shut down the computer I have to load them all up again and arrange the windows.
>You can still set your browser to open your last tabs if it's really that much of an issue.
I do that already. However I typically have around 50 tabs open, some of which are videos that would need to buffer again and some pages with autoplay elements that would have to be stopped each time.
>if you actually maintain your OS it shouldn't take very long to boot.
It doesn't take long to boot at all. The thing is my computer doesn't just sit at the desktop all day. To get to it's current start from a cold boot would probably take 3 or 4 minutes and be a huge inconvenience. For that reason hibernating or sleeping has a huge advantage for me and no real disadvantage, so to shut down my computer at the end of each day would be illogical and stupid.
>>50789467
>>50790479
i have a kingston 128. it's got a metal body and i've dropped it on the floor and ran it grounded to another metal surface while being held up diagonally and skewed by nothing but the SATA and power cable.
i've had it for over a year and it's been just as speedy as day one.
i've only ever had the OS+Drivers installed on it, however.
>>50796953
>he fell for the SSD meme
>not re-compiling your Gentoo kernal every night while you sleep
>>50789306
Sleep/hibernate is pretty much the only reason most non-windows users even need /swap anymore. This should tell you why using them is a bad idea, especially if your /swap is located on an SSD.
>>50789541
No one cares. You've literally traded ports and packages for the faggoty App Store. Unlike Ports and Packages, common to the BSD world, with App Store zero fucks are given about quality, or security, so long as there's money to be made off of selling dipshits bullshit.
>>50789529
>have normal hardrive
>breaks
>have to use 2.5 7200 hdd
>in my gaming rig.
>boot time is a solid 2 minutes
>sleep wakes up almost instantly
I run Arch and I usually just suspend by closing the lid.
But sometimes, when I open it up it won't resume and it will just give me that fucking cursor in the top left corner. Nothing works from then on, shift+alt+f1 takes me to login and then it freezes so I have to restart. This is like once every few days.
