>People on /fit/ do one of the most dangerous exercises for shoulder health their is.
Why do you insist on causing yourself shoulder impingement /fit/? It takes 6 months to heal once it's impinged. Stay away from bench and OHP you idiots. Or enjoy injury.
OHP has actually made my shoulder feel way better.
Flat bench destroyed my shoulders.
>I'm too dumb to stretch, do mobility work and accessories for balance such as face pulls, curls and side raises
LMAOing @ your life
>>37686219
>>37686219
what should i do instead?
i want to get to 1pl8 OHP and 2pl8 bench
>>37686219
theres no impingement if you do it correctly, and it's very easy to do correctly.
if you insist on doing something without doing any kind of research into it or getting some form of expert help, you deserve to get injured tbqh
>doing ohp so badly you hurt yourself
Brotip, natural movement in OHP is the correct one.
I do dumbbell shoulder press
I like it more, to be quite honest with you. Feels way better than overhead press to me.
>>37686219
I really need to film myself doing ohp because my stance and my grip seek more narrow than his.
>>37686249
This.
Bench - arch back, retract scapula. No more impingement.
The Press - shrug at the top of the lift. No more impingement.
>>37686234
You dont know shit about anatomy do you. OHP causes impingement on the supraspinatus tendon, same thing with skullcrushers. Both absolute terrible movements for shoulders.
>>37686269
grip should be narrow
>>37686219
His form is bullshit desu
>>37686269
They should be. That pic is shit.
>>37686277
How about dumbbell shoulder press?
>>37686219
>Humans can't hoist shit over their head without injury
Please leave.
>>37686293
It's the same shit, any sort of military press causes impingement and you WILL have a shoulder injury sooner or later.
>>37686334
What the fuck?
So how do we train shoulders?
>>37686334
fuck off dyel pls
>>37686334
This is patently false. Provide source or fuck off. The Press is one of the 4 main lifts that everyone should be doing (correctly).
>>37686219
>most dangerous exercises for shoulder health
False.
>causing yourself shoulder impingement
False.
>It takes 6 months to heal once it's impinged.
False.
Even for people who aren't aware of the specifics, the fact that you can't even communicate like a normal human is a pretty good flag for your claims being easily dismissable.
>>37686277
Faggots like you deserve to have your fucking arms amputated, you clearly aren't qualified to use them.
Human arms are built to reach overhead to push weight away and to grab objects (specifically tree branches.) It is quite literally physically impossible for the press to cause impingement if it's done correctly.
>>37686293
>>37686349
stop listening to him its b8, m8.
>>37686349
Don't encourage him man...
>>37686358
>Provide source or fuck off
Their are literally thousands of articles all over how it does this. All therapists agree on this too, but youre too busy memeing on 4chan that you dont study what you actually do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3lRzxpbvw8
Here is a great video that has humor so it appeals do you dumb kids. Hopefully you can pay attention a bit more
>>37686364
>FALSE!!
Nice rebuttal kiddo.
>>37686368
>It is quite literally physically impossible for the press to cause impingement if it's done correctly.
Omg that fucking delusion. Enjoy your impingement that will fuck up your lifting career for minimum of 6 months
>>37686349
You can believe the hundreds of thousands of weight lifters, trainers, and professional lifters/bodybuilders who probably know a couple things about the lifts they do, OR you can believe a random jackass who types like a 12 year old on an anonymous hungarian cross-stitching board.
>>37686278
>>37686280
Thanks boos
>>37686369
>>37686375
>>37686415
Ok but I have shoulder problems so I've switched from 3x5 barbell OHP to 3x8 seated DB shoulder press
I'm just wondering if I'm missing out on any gains by doing this
Seems only powerlifters mostly do OHP and just about everyobe else I've ever seen does dumbbell shoulder presses.
Feels a lot better for me desu
>>37686413
Do you honestly think that there's any way in heaven and earth that you will ever, ever convince me you aren't literally 13 years old?
I honestly wonder if you have actual brain damage that you think your behavior might actually be mistaken by anyone as something that would be typed by a person who graduated middle school.
>>37686448
Powerlifts almost always have shoulder impingement and they cant lift anymore without pain. Do you want that to be you?
>>37686448
strength progress won't be as easy and your overhead strength will never be as strong as if you just learned how to ohp
but in terms of just building muscle you should be fine
>>37686467
>Do you honestly think that there's any way in heaven and earth that you will ever, ever convince me you aren't literally 13 years old?
Think what you want, cuck. I am just spreading the word so novice lifters don't mess up their shoulders. I dont give a fuck about you lol, enjoy your impingement :-^)
I'm sensing that OP is a beta weakling and hurt himself trying to OHP
>>37686500
well memed sir.
>>37686504
I mean I'm not interested in becoming a competitive powerlifter... the difference in strength shouldn't be much at all, right?
>>37686500
Powerlifters get shoulder impingements because they specialise in the bench press - which is an exercise that WILL fuck up your shoulders no matter how good your technique is if you do it in isolation. It's a cost of doing business for them, and they know that they have to make that sacrifice if they want to be good at the sport they've chosen to specialise in.
However, if you do Press and Bench TOGETHER as accessories for each other, your shoulders will develop in balance and be fine.
I had a weak/injured shoulder for years which was ONLY rehabbed by getting my press above 60kg. Take your broscience bullshit and fuck the fuck off.
>>37686500
What shoulder exercises are we allowed to do in your world?
Overhead pressing is necessary for shoulder strength and health.
>>37686277
>>37686413
this is a troll but ill respond anyway
in a correctly performed press you do a shrugging motion. what happens is that the upper fibers of the trapezius happen insert in the clavicle so that their contraction also lifts the acromion (the part rubbing on your supraspinatus) up. this provides adequate room for a full ROM overhead press without any impingement unless you have calcific deposits in your shoulders or something like that
benching can impinge shit, though. depends on your genetics (namely the type of your acromion). but using a narrower grip and overhead pressing as much as benching should remove the problem in most individuals. powerlifters do not generally overhead press enough so they're at a higher risk of impingement. and the wide grip often used also puts them at a higher risk. but it's stupid to say everyone will get killed because of shoulder impingement due to benching
>>37686500
I've been doing OHP, military press, and dumbell over head press for 10 years, I'm 225 now and have done up to 185 with bar, (2) 75lbs dumbbells and have never had an issue with shoulders. I'm only 26 but I think 10 years of lifting I would be hitting some issues right now with shoulders if that was the case
>>37686398
Lol their squat video proves they know fuckall. You're still a retard. Shrug when you The Press and no impingement.
>>37686551
well it's pretty significant in terms of strength. if you imagine db vs bb bench for example, a 100kg bb bench is ok, a 50kg db press is pretty impressive
>>37686596
But I mean in terms of gains
Never do faggot maxes or reps under 6, you risk injury, this is not a meme
>>37686627
read my first post >>37686504 you're making me go in circles here.
>>37686647
I'm asking how significant that is
Like would it be somewhat minor or would I be significantly weaker
OHP is the best exercise in the world for functional upperbody stength.
You only risk something if you don't shrug at lock out.
>>37686520
How does hurting yourself make you a "beta weakling"
>>37686560
> the bench press - which is an exercise that WILL fuck up your shoulders no matter how good your technique is if you do it in isolation
Is this true? Is decline or incline better on the shoulders? What are you suppose to do then?
>>37686273
The shrug at the top saved me. I'd hate OHP because it made my shoulders sore for days, once I started shrugging it went away.
>>37686273
>>37686711
Wtf do you mean by shrug?
And do you do this with dumbbells?
>>37686565
>Overhead pressing is necessary for shoulder strength and health.
Absolutely not. And you cannot prove they have any benefit besides deltoid strength.
>>37686569
Do you know of any good videos where they teach OHP with the shrug at the top? And would it be safer to just not bench anymore for the sake of shoulder health since you say thats probably more dangerous than the OHP?
Nobody here has recomended behind the neck presses?
>>37686742
Tendon strength is important
That full stretch and strength is crucial
>>37686762
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnBmiBqp-AI
and yes, it would be safer to not bench but the risk is pretty small if you bench correctly. and benching is a great exercise
>>37686770
Enjoy literally destroying your rotator cuff
They serve no benefit and only damage your shit up
Been benching, over head pressing, cleans, jerks, all the lifts that can fuck up your shoulders since I was in 7th grade. I'm 2 years out of high school and the only shoulder injury I've had is a grade-1 AC joint tear. And that was from playing racquetball, not lifting.
>>37686735
You know how to shrug your shoulders right?
Put your arms over your head without shrugging your shoulders. Then shrug your shoulders. Your hands should go up another few inches or so.
This is where you want to finish the press.
>>37686773
And you think OHP is the best way to strengthen that?
mfw
>>37686790
OHP in general you mean.
>>37686809
It all adds up, you tore it playing racquetball because of all the incorrect forms and exercises you put on it.
>>37686819
What is then?
I keep askung you(or op) to tell me what exercises we can do for shoulders then. No answers
>>37686845
Stop getting baited
Summer fags
>>37686845
All pressing is bad you stupid fuck. How are you to stupid to understand this?
>>37686872
That's what I'm asking
>>37686873
So should we only do pulling movements and have a completely unbalanced body?
>>37686710
Bench AND press in equal amounts, as I said in the same post. This'll ensure that the muscles that become imbalanced due to excessive benching develop properly.
The added benefit of this is that the bench and the press feed each other and your gains will flourish and prosper.
>>37686941
How do they go together? They work 2 different things. Both are presses. Do you even know what youre talking about?
>>37686967
>Both are presses
>>37686990
They are? How do you not fucking understand that?
>Overhead PRESS
>Bench PRESS
>>37687033
Yes. Exactly
And pressing movements use certain muscles which complement eachother
>>37686967
Are you new here, newfriend?
'Press' refers to the OHP because it was the original pressing movement. You'll see people here referring to it as 'The Press™' all the fucking time.
Do you even know how the body works? If you have weak rear delts, your bench will suffer. What hits the rear delts better than anything? The fucking press, that's what.
Similarly, a weak chest is going to seriously inhibit your ability to push weight overhead. What works the chest better than anything else? The bench.
Neither relies on the same muscles to do the primary moving, but they each rely on support from muscles that the other uses directly.
I fucked up my shoulders from overhead press & side lateral raises.
Now I resort to the Landmine press with a barbell which also works my chest and core.
>>37687070
Snatch BTN press is the GOAT rear delts builder.
>>37687070
>What hits the rear delts better than anything? The fucking press
Dude youre a fucking troll.
Rows are for rear delts not presses, wtf
>>37686578
pics
>>37687093
If you drive your head through the press like you're supposed to it hits rear delts
>>37687194
No it doesnt. Show me the erx sheet.
Why has nobody recomended mao-fascia release? Massage the painful area
>>37686219
>tfw can press 1pl8 for reps but can't squat or DL 3pl8
What the fuck is wrong with me
>>37686219
>ohp
>worse for shoulders than bench
good 1 m8
>>37688567
It impinges dipshit.
>>37688520
>can bench 105kgx5
>5rep squat is only 115
>>37688567
You're still falling for this bait?
>>37688576
noob
>>37686246
Lateral or front raises. OHP activates the frontal and medial delt, so do lateral and front raises. Basicly anything that involves moving weight up above your head
>>37687080
How much did you lift with either exercise?
>>37686233
i'm the opposite. ohp hurts my shoulder area but bench just feels like it's making them stronger.
It's the behind the neck press that'll destroy your shoulders, not the regular OHP.
tfw I can only OHP 1pl8 for 3 reps
The bench is not dangerous if you incline bench.
Stop with this bullshit.
>>37689233
>thinking lateral raises won't do more damage to your shoulders than OHP
Just fuck my shit up.
>Barely do any shoulder work, usually just OHP twice a week.
>Shoulders just keep growing and growing.
It's the best exercise man.
>>37690252
1.externally rotate your shoulders
2. Lean forward just a little bit
Ta dah!!
No seriously, the only problem with side lat raise is imternal rotation
>>37690224
Was that suppose to be green texted?
>>37690205
I was there for a bit.
Managed to get 140x3 and 135x4
It is weird though, i take 20lb off my 6rm, and i can still only manage 6 reps, no matter how fresh i am. I need i need to stop training for strength and start building some strength endurance.
>>37690154
Klokov seems to contend that his snatch grip BTN pressing was an integral part of his recovery for his shoulder injury.
>>37690292
No, there is much less strain on the rotator cuff with incline bench
>>37690397
Youre wrong, there is more. Decline is what has less strain on the rc.
What about dumbell press?
oh eych pee bre gud exersiss
>>37686219
>People on /fit/ do one of the most dangerous exercises
>for shoulder health their is.
>health their is
>their
glad to know I can disregard your stupid stupid post :^)
>>37691519
Yeah nice credentials and source there anon
