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What's the best martial art that will help in real life fighting situations.
Inb4 krav maga meme
>>37643408
In order
> don't live in a shithole jitsu
> dont be a cunt fu
> parkour
> boxing / muay thai + bjj / judo / wrestling
>>37643427
>parkour
>>37643408
idk if you want to do martial arts to win fights desu
do it because you admire the art form or because you think it looks cool
if you pick fights yr probably insecure, and if you get in a fight with some rando strength and size will probably determine the winner
if you get mugged, they probably have a gun or a knife or friends and you'd have to be a siqq cunt to not die
u can call me a fag just my opinion t b h
>>37643408
>he doesn't want to learn the martial Jew
are you some kind of anti Semite?
>>37643447
I don't want to start fights. It's just a lad I know got fucked up on a night out recently. I want to be able to defend myself if that ever happens to me.
>>37643446
> removing yourself from the situation in the most efficient manner is fedora
I mean if you enjoy getting gang banged by jamal's crew more power to you.
If you fit back, they already won. The strongest move is to turn the other cheek and love your enemy.
>>37643520
I don't follow christian polytheistic infidel beliefs
>>37643408
>practical tier
bjj/judo/wrestling. helps you control the fight and de-escalate the situation very quickly, sense basically every fight winds up on the ground anyway.
>technically viable but impractical tier
boxing and muay thai, as they will really only serve to escalate the situation if they actually work. maximum risk of getting legally fucked.
>realistic tier
avoid the ghetto, don't act like an insecure manlet, concealed carry
>get shot in the parking lot tier
karate
>look cool before getting shot in the parking lot tier
capoeira
>>37643597
You'll note how everything is superceded by not living in a shithole and not being a cunt
wrestling, muay thai, bjj, boxing
if you wan't to be an extremely well rounded fighter (especially in street fights) learn krav maga, and not from a mcdojo, an actual trainer. learn kickboxing, karate (multiple forms), taekwondo (multiple forms), sambo, and judo
>>37643597
>tfw europoor so can't carry gun
>>37643447
This senpai. Seriously, almost any martial art practiced for long enough (from a proper instructor, beware mcdojos) will give you a good base for defending yourself.
aikido
>>37643715
>tfw being able to suplex a motherfucker
Feels good mang
>>37643791
Kek.
> inb4 aikido copypasta
>>37643408
Step One: Find MMA gym that competes on a regular basis, it should have a good number of fighters that actually compete in MMA.
Step Two: Join that gym.
If you can't find one of those make sure you join a gym BJJ, Boxing, etc. that competes; any gym that tells you they don't compete for (insert bullshit we must protect opponent desu reason here) is not a good gym and will not make you a good fighter.
Also bulk up if you want to be able to hold you're own in a fight. I fought MMA in my undergrad days at 155 pounds. I managed to beat the shit out of a 220 pound guy but he was out of shape, dyel, and didn't know how to fight and it was still tough. Weight with some fighting experience goes a long way.
>>37643408
pipebombkata
>>37643408
Gun Jiutsu
BJJ, then judo or wrestling
Striking is an obsolete martial art that's only useable when both you and your oppoent are already good grapplers,
krav maga in all forms is a total joke and anyone who recommends it doesn't know shit about either krav maga or real fighting.
So I did BJJ for about 6 months and that was cool but what about when someone is trying to punch you in the face? How do you get in close enough for a take down?
I think some level of striking is necessary in a real fight
>>37644132
It is, kickboxing is good to know how to defend yourself from punches and kicks and to throw them, wrestling will help you take your opponent to the ground, some people are more suited to one style than another but the Holy Trinity seems to be:
Kickboxing: For stand up game
Wrestling: Paired with kickboxing to help you transition from stand up to ground
BJJ: For ground
>>37643408
having friends and carrying a weapon
>>37643408
he looks like a muppet
>>37644132
>Get punched in face
>Fall
>Figure 4 or Boston Crab them when they attempt to ground and pound
>>37644132
literally run up and hug them, then sit down. it's not that hard to score a take down
Pretty much any martial art as long as you train seriously, frequently and patiently.
It's not 'what style' it's 'what attitude' that counts.
>>37643520
How's it going Justin Trudeau?
>>37644084
krav maga is completely honorless too, where does it come from anyway?
>>37645286
I think it was developed by the Israeli military
>>37643408
not being an idiot who gets into fights
>>37643597
i think i gonna learn capoeira to be sure before if i get knocked out that i looked cool in the end...
>>37644873
This is totally fine if you are taking a martial art as an art form or as a hobby but its not true if you are training to defend yourself, some martial arts are really useless in a fight, especially if the other person knows how to fight.
I don't wanna argue with kravfags so I'll just throw it out there...
>Ed Kirby kenpo
for combat
>Jiu-Jitsu
for tard rangling
>>37643408
MCMAP. If you don't want to join the Marines, I'd suggest looking into the teachers. Not just some Marine, but one of the actual trainers
>>37647446
> military combatives
Top kek
>>37646090
> choreographed 30 hit hypercombos requiring the opponent to stand perfectly still with their arm extended
> for combat
Apex kek
Tricking.
TRICKING. IT'S THAT SIMPLE, YOU GUYS.
>>37643832
This. Quality of the Gym is the most important factor.
>>37645286
>implying you dont know the answer to that
/pol/ pls
>>37643408
Best matial arts for reality
Combat Hapkido
Systema
Hapkido
[small gap]
MuaiTai
Kickboxing
[larger gap]
some kung fu
Taekwondo (WTF and ITF styles)
Karate
Boxing
Wing Chun
Taekwondo (ATF style)
most kung fu
>>37643597
>bjj/judo/wrestling
yeah, unless more than one person attacks you, and then when yo take one down to the ground and get aids needles in your back his friends curbstomp you
Hapkido, if self defense is what you want
>>37647931
fedora tipper or troll post
>>37647956
Shitty tkd combined with shitty aikido. Two wrongs will surely make a right!
>wrestling/grappling
trust me I'm expert
>>37647931
>not putting karate at the top
>>37644174
Can Muay Thai replace kickboxing? I'm not familiar with either, but I've heard good things about Muay Thai
Hey guys,
The deal with krav maga and all the hate?
I trained 4 years in a place that was not a dojo and had a trainer that was heavily into bjj.
What's the meme about it?
I've never tried in real combat as I'm not military nor stupid enough to not walk away from fights.
>>37643408
3 Stripe Purple Belt in brazillian jiu-jitsu here.
Boxing and BJJ, or Muay Thai and BJJ.
Don't do fucking faggot Krav maga, it's a compromise of other systems.
Oh and make sure you are doing real boxing and not that faggot cardio boxing women do.
>>37648032
>Muay Thai
it's slightly better, but harder to learn
>>37648035
I'm not an expert, but it seems to be a poor blend of other styles, and is meant for military application but mcdojos teach a watered down version that isn't as applicable
>>37648040
But for real, ignore the troll posts about karate and other garbage like that, THIS is actual solid advice.
>>37648035
No focus on technique, no quality assurance, no pressure testing, focus on low percentage techniques that cannot be trained effectively.
>>37648040
Why does it matter that's it is a compromise of other systems?
Isn't that like picking out all the best stuff?
>>37647446
Mcmap is a literal joke until you have at least 1 red tab.
t. Brown belt with wrestling background
Whatever you decide to do, sit in on a class or two at your prospective school. If you get a weird vibe about the instructor(s) probably best to find a new place. Also pay attention to the more seasoned students to get a preview of what you'll learn if you stick around.
>>37648035
>>37648069
Anything that claims to be LETHAL MILITARY GRADE because it's FOR THE STREETS and it GOUGES OUT YOUR EYES is as a rule, fake and gay and weak as fuck in actual combat.
Krav maga is total shit
>>37648081
Assuming you're from the US.
It seems that we have vastly different training methods over here in immigrant-town.
All we did was techniques and pressure tests.
>>37648082
Except when you compromise you also water down the technique.
No Krav maga instructor is going to stiff leg kick/Elbow/Knee/Clinch like a Kru in Muay thai.
There's also the whole legit lineage which is traceable, nobody has legit credentials in krav maga.
>>37648107
Source?
>>37648117
Bas Ruten?
do nothing, shit fucks up your knees
>>37648117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeA__6aVkK0
>>37648108
Setting an agreed starting position with a partner and trying to apply at technique is a drill, not pressure testing.
>>37648108
pressure tests means sparring at 100% force, as in, actually fighting.
Most militaries around the world have total dogshit when it comes to unarmed combat.
Trust me, a amateur mma fighter could easily take out marines and soldiers in unarmed combat.
The USA was the first to realize that and now they teach BJJ and Muy thai to their infantry so they aren't completely helpless when someone grabs their gun in close quarters and they don't have friends to shoot their enemy.
>>37648122
Are you daft?
https://youtu.be/-0jnP7Su_2s
>>37648137
This nigga knows.
The Military does indeed outsource for legit Bjj,Muay Thai,Kali instructors.
>>37648155
Godammit bas......
>>37648137
This. I've git s mate who is a lieutenant in the Australian army with two tours of Afghanistan. He came to train with me and got his shit pushed in by a 43 year old, overweight accountant.
>>37648161
What is kali?
I'd like to know about a martial art named after the goddess of destruction
>>37643470
Get a gun
>>37648175
Legit Knife and Stick fighting.
"obviously beware shit ass instructors"
Here's the dog brothers, some guys are more trained than other.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9jS80DwUKA
>>37648175
Flip martial art. Basically the same shit as silat with more sticks.
>>37648137
How can I trust you when you contradict yourself?
"Trust me, a amateur mma fighter could easily take out marines and soldiers in unarmed combat. "
"The USA was the first to realize that and now they teach BJJ and Muy thai to their infantry.."
Why would they not instead just teach them MMA?
>>37648136
Indeed, drilling a technique is not preassure testing.
But when doing it with force and speed, is as good as it gets with any system, is it not?
>>37644455
See, class? This is an example of someone talking out their ass. Never be this guy. This guy is a cunt.
>>37648229
>Why would they not instead just teach them MMA?
BJJ and muy thai IS mma dumb ass
mma is a mix of all arts, traditionally fighters mix a grappling and striking art.
The best and most commonly used grappling arts are: BJJ, judo, greco roman wrestling
The most common striking arts are: muy thai, western boxing, kick boxing
>>37648242
basically if you are trained in muy thai BJJ and either judo or greco roman, you are a well rounded fighter.
What is a "good" monthly price for an MMA gym?
I saw in a previous MMA thread that an anon was going to one for $150 a month. But everyone else in the thread ripped into him for that. And it seems like most MMA gyms in SoCal are around that price range so I don't know if I'm missing something.
>>37648260
Location is going to be a huge factor as well as how many classes they offer/ size and quality of gym/ types of disciplines offered.
If they gave you 2 a day BJJ/Muay thai and maybe some boxing and they have legit credentials 150 is within reason.
>>37648032
I'd argue that unless you have a weight/height advantage over your opponent and/or manage to knock him out in one hit, muay thai can actually be detrimental to you in a street fight because it teaches you to close the distance between your opponent and you which is never a good idea when you don't want to get hit. Using knees and elbows sure makes for some powerful hits but puts you so close from your opponent that if it's not lights out for him you'll end up on the ground with him and his buddies will kick you in the ribs and in the face. Distance is really important in a street fight because that's how you avoid a street fight.
>>37648242
I give, you seem to be correct about that fact.
I'm not trying to defend anything, I genuinely want to know if those 4 years were worth nothing or not.
>>37648284
Bruh, what is front kicks and stiff legs to the head? it's like saying Bjj teaches you to pull guard 24/7.
>>37648229
No because it's still compliant. You both know what's coming and where it's coming from.
If you can't do it on someone who is actively trying to hurt you then you can't do it. I know I can knock someone out with a brazilian kick because I've done to someone trying to knock me out. I know I can ogoshi someone trying to take me down because I've done it. I know I can armbar someone from guard while the try to choke me out because I've done it.
>>37648288
>I give, you seem to be correct about that fact.
Do I listen to the killer instinct and be little you or do I listen to jesus and offer sympathy?
You probably did waste your time but everyone gets suckered in by something some time, you can always start training in a legit art. dumbfuck
>>37648299
> it's like saying Bjj teaches you to pull guard 24/7.
im a blue belt and everyone on this site legit thinks they do teach pulling guard against multiple opponents
>>37648313
what does BJJ teach for multiple opponents? I never learned that?
I imagine it's all sweeps and mounts and ground and pound then stand up and move on to the next one
>>37648313
Never pulled guard in any of my fights, one fight I punched dudes face until the guy turned his back to me!!! I jumped on him, shoved him to the ground, grapevined his legs to throw elbows to the back of his head.
>>37648188
Right, because the willingness to use it, and the wisdom to when to apply deadly force, comes with the bullets!
>>37647931
How is a list of 16 styles supposed to tell us the "best"? Tell us the best, not the best 16. Fucking useless.
>>37648329
Running away
Just like any good teacher of any art will tell you.
>>37648188
>>37648340
The scary thing about guns is the potential legal consequences after word.
I've heard multiple stories of criminals who broke into peoples houses and got shot sueing the people and winning.
>>37643408
Get a gun and go shooting regulary.
Also watch anime to decrease your intelligence and brain capacities over time so you don't hesitate and overthink to use your gun in a dangerious situation.
>>37648329
3 stripe purple here , Honestly they don't, you need boxing to stay covered up and keep moving back while throwing punches. the good thing is you have a chance at getting back up if you know jiu-jitsu instead of getting pinned and stomped. Nothing is fool proof, instinct muh brother.
>>37648302
Wellthen.
If I can't train on anyone who isn't trying to hurt me, all training done in the training halls are useless.
That's your logic, not mine.
>>37648312
Excellent warriors are not violent.
>>37648364
The best warriors are exceptionally violent, they just don't get blinded by rage.
>>37648352
Oh boy, anecdotal evidence?
Yes, with a gun you're much more likely to shoot yourself or a family member than use it in self-defense, according to the data.
>>37648364
>Excellent warriors are not violent.
That's a meme the leaders of society came up with long ago in different culture all over the world to try and make the feudal ages less savage and brutal and it worked.
in truth your personality, morals and beliefs have literally no effect on how well you fight.
your skill in fighting is judged by the same attributes all your skills are, your ability to learn fast and remember things.
>>37643408
MMA or some combination BJJ/Judo/wrestling and boxing.
If you had to pick one, I'd say judo and find a wrestling club to go to once a week.
>>37648378
>in truth your personality, morals and beliefs have literally no effect on how well you fight.
unless you believe in non-violence to the point of getting cucked out of your life
>>37648384
take downs are worthless if you don't have the bjj though, what if you take down a bjj fighter by mistake? then you get choked.
>>37643408
for shits and giggles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACqW12LNUoo
>>37648364
That's where competition comes in and why krabby magoo is a meme
>>37648364
you have to actually fight your training partners
>>37648352
Either you worry about eventual legal consequences either you worry about eventualy getting your face stomped on the ground. Priorities.
I'd choose court over a stabbing with aids needles in a backstreet.
>>37648436
good point
>>37644012
Nothing beats a wellplaced pipebomb, it is in fact the best self defense out there.
Reminder that muy Thai is for fedoras, real men choose boxing for their striking art
>>37648505
>fedoras
That's wing chun
>>37648505
muy thai is legit and superior to boxing
you can't even do clinch work in boxing
>>37648280
150 is worth it if you're training with legit black belts and hardly any white belts go there, like my gym... And everyone competes and wins tournaments and the instructors don't give a fuck how many lessons you actually show up to a week (go to all of them if you can.)
>>37643481
>>37648501
That's why my bike is a pipebomb
>>37648577
I have one on now. Nothing you can say or do to bring me down.LOL @ You! I'll spar with you verbally and make you cower before my intellect. Oh, you want to panjama wrestle? That's for women and kids anyway. My battlefield is my mind, my weapon of choice are my words. Don't even attempt to play coy with me. You're silly question alone speaks volumes for what a weak minded fool you are.
>>37648505
>>37648522
>Muay thai
and it shits over boxing.
Trained Boxer against a trained muay thai fighter muay thai would win. Boxer aint used to kicks so cant block kicks effectively and a boxers stance leaves them open for kicks.
>>37643715
>krav maga
>karate
>taekwondo
>sambo
all completely useless. what the fuck is going on in this thread
>>37650134
>sambo
>useless
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJd9gvUL4G4
>>37648070
In the 80's karate used to beat muay thai. It just got washed out over the years.
>>37647709
>>37650212
Obviously it's not useless against itself, I don't think there exists a retard dumb enough (or smart enough) to make something that doesn't work against it self
>>37650779
Seems to work against everything
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-iPkgkIGoU
>>37643408
Only freestyle wrestling is good enough
>>37648040
>BJJ
Useless shit in street fight
>>37643408
my gym offers courses in stick and knife fighting
boxing. jiu jistsu is good, but useless against more than 1 opponent.
If you get jumped by 2 dudes and you can box, you will probably be fine.
>>37650862
Kek
>>37645563
ah millitary, makes more sense
>>37647709
what?
>>37648032
Muay Thai is a kind of kickboxing brosky, most kickboxing places will do things from Muay Thai even if they don't say so.
>>37648522
As an amateur I'd rather go against a mauy Thai boxer than a boxer. The mauy Thai guy would kick my ass but the boxer woukd probably kill or seriously injure my brain, neck, or ribs with one or two punches.
I'd rather fight a guy who is taught a lot of things, than a guy who masters one thing.
>>37647944
this.
mma rules favour ground fighting/bjj because you aren't allowed to kick people or stomp people on the ground, plus it's always one on one.
wrestling is goat though for controlling where a fight ends up though, judo is okay too.
>>37650134
sambo is a mix of wrestling/judo/boxing/kickboxing
how the fuck is it useless?
>>37643408
judo/boxing mix
>>37651805
Yeah but even in PRIDE where head stomps where legal, most fighters were a mix of kickboxing, bjj, and wrestling
>>37643408
>Inb4 krav maga meme
That is the correct answer, whether you like it or not. It is literally designed from the ground up to get the average schmoe (i.e. you) "street ready" asap.
You're not going to be a UFC superstar, but that's not really the goal here.
>>37643597
This run down is basically correct. Don't be a cunt and don't make bad decisions and you won't need martial arts. I've had 23 years of martial arts at this point, and I would tell anyone that the best defense is to avoid bad areas and be friendly in the good areas.
>>37648040
Most of what people get from boxing or Muay Thai is confidence and the will to actually hit a person, which is one of the most important parts of self defense to be fair. Almost none of the students really learn to hit with any actual power though, and boxers all wind up dumb and ugly if they train enough.
Without taking constant shots to the dome you can't get good, and without getting good why do it? Stick with BJJ or Judo.
Real priority list:
1-Don't be an idiot
2-Don't go where idiots are
3-Carry a weapon
4-BJJ or Judo
>>37647944
if there are multiple determined attackers, you're fucked anyway.
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>>37643408
The "best" is arguable, like some martial arts will take a lot longer to become useful than others, but will be just as or more effective down the road.
IMO the best combination of martial arts that will give you the ability to defend yourself in the shortest amount of training time is going to be Judo + Boxing. Judo is very all around; takedowns, pins, guardwork and submissions. And the way Judo is played it is VERY similar to how you want to behave in a real fight, which is to take the person down and immediately go into a pin or submission. Wrestling is the same but it lacks submissions, but honestly you could sub it for Judo and be great. Plus, both Wrestling and Judo are top-heavy games which is what you want in a real fight. With BJJ it will take you a way longer time to takedown a resisting opponent, let alone if they're bigger/stronger than you are, and the ground game is just overkill for the normal person. Plus, the way it is mostly played is wayyy too casual and "flowy", it can create bad habits that bite you in the ass (anyone remember that vid of the dude trying to berimbolo in a street fight? lmao)
Boxing because in a lot of situations throwing kicks/knees might be hard to do (unstable ground, limited space, etc.), and you won't gain too much out of it. You can focus entirely on your hands instead with Boxing. Like I said, kickboxing/muay thai will get you good enough hands but it'll take a lot longer because you're focusing on so much more.
After a year of Judo and Boxing, and assuming you're /fit/, you will be pretty damn capable of handling yourself. Wrestling, BJJ, Kickboxing and Muay Thai are all great too but in terms of how to all around handle yourself as fast as possible, I think that's the best combo.
>>37651982
In 99% of confrontations it's just a pissing contest not a warzone. Fucking LOL @ you if a guy gets up in your face at a bar and you grab hits nuts, pocket sand him and headbutt his trachea. It's a complete meme based 90% around fantasy scenarios
>>37650878
>If you get jumped by 2 dudes and you can box, you will probably be fine.
No, you are going to get taken down and get stomped on and have no idea how to stand back up
>>37650829
Wow you sound like an expert in the super cool and elite martial art of "street fighting". I bet you can beat people up without even touching them!
>not learning Aikido
Boxing. You learn to move, to keep your feet under you, to throw your hands fast and correctly. Kicks in a street fight are fairly high risk aside from maybe the more chopping low kicks you'd get from MT or Kickboxing.
Wrestling or Judo to supplement for avoiding the ground, the best option's always to GTFO as soon as possible, especially if whomever you're fighting has friends.
I'm an MMAfag and grappling is great shit, but having solid top control does fuck all if Jamal's niggas start kicking you in the back of the head.
>>37654262
the point of good ground work in a street fight is being able to get back up if you get taken down and land some good take downs to be yourself some one on one time with another guy striking.
>>37654026
Most people don't know how to properly take you down, and even if they do they have to get close enough to shoot first.
>>37654279
Did you just have a stroke
>>37654302
>and even if they do they have to get close enough to shoot first.
It's WAY easier than you imagine to get close to someone in a fight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u51zm59805U
>>37654322
And here's for all the guys who think muscle is going to make them effectively
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjFp1R5klo4
Concealed carry.
If anyone even pushes me im shooting.
>>37643408
BJJ if you're a complete noob then MMA once you're good at BJJ. Also the GOAT for self defence is knowing how to use a firearm, even better how to disarm someone and take theirs.
Is being 25 and skinnyfat too mcuh to start martial arts? I sweat like an abused horse after five minutes of light running (family trait. we sweat like crazy, which is the basis for my social anxiety disorder.).
Can I try to make it that way? I already lost 20kg because of the sticky, but I really want to DO something my motivation.
>>37654808
too much what? it's ok and everybody sweats anyway
>>37643408
Any self defense training works on people who have never trained self defense in their life.
Self defense is self defense. It doesn't teach you how to win fights. Just how to survive with little damage.
Martial arts where you actually spar and get banged up will help you win fights.
If you fight someone who also knows how to fight, you will get hurt.
Don't expect to be fighting just one person when you're outside. For all you know, the guys friend is standing behind you with a bottle in his hand.
That being said, i hate my fucking friend who used to do taekwondo tournaments 10 years ago. He keeps saying how he wants to go to a bar and fight someone, i tell him go ahead but he asks me that i have to fight too. I always tell him i dont want to fight someone who may have friends in a crowded room. He says whatever but he always pusses out, even when someone else is looking for a fight.
https://youtu.be/SGpDVCkhtD4
>listening to some nerds on 4chan when a navy seal has already given the best possible answer you could ask for
>>37654860
Sounds like an annoying, immature, insecure faggot. Would not friend / 10
>>37654949
>In the Navy
>Knows anything about anything
McPick1 Value Menu
>>37648032
I'd start with western boxing or judo.
>>37655006
>nameless 4chan user #1738191
>knows about anything
>>37647944
Not quite true, if you learn a grappling art, you'll learn a thousand ways of getting off the ground efficiently if you're taken there unwillingly.
It's still the best way to de-escalate a fight. And any good grappler can throw someone while staying on their feet when they need to.
>>37651805
Not all MMA rules, plenty of rulesets allowed kicking and stomping downed opponents.
