What exactly is not clean about PIZZA?
Is it really only poor macronutrient composition? How is this an issue if you can just balance it out with your other meals?
Is there something more intrinsic about PIZZA that will make it rob your gains? GI???
Aside from the facts that pizza is high in calories, high in sodium, saturated fat and preservatives (these reasons alone are not enough to classify pizza as 'bad') pizza is generally made from white flour, a simple carbohydrate. White flour is a simple carbohydrate, metabolized in the same way as sugar. Briefly, these carbohydrates raise insulin levels and promote the storage of fat as adipose tissue. There is strong casual evidence between diets high in white flour and obesity, diabetes and other metabolic syndromes.
>>37106685
The fact that you're getting 30g-40g of carbs per slice maybe?
>>37106685
Is that Lana Del Rey
>>37106762
broscience
>>37106821
retard
It's momscience, mostly. Where burgers are bad, but 8 oz of meat, a side of veggies, and a slice of toast is magically good for you.
The macro ratio kinda sucks (high in both fats and carbs) and the calorie density is high. That's really it.
>>37106852
i'm actually a chemist. nice contribution though
>>37106821
not an argument
I think /fit/'s problem with pizza is how they eat it. /fit/izens never have just a slice or two while at a party, they are always buying whole large pizzas to eat by themselves.
>>37106685
White bread is bad.
White bread with lots of fats are.
>>37106762
Maybe American pizzas retard.
Thin crust pizzas from most well known brands are not that bad.
>>37106895
> not getting whole wheat crust from mama papoli's
>>37106762
In Italy pizza (I'm talking about real pizza, not frozen shit) has no preservatives, no real saturated fats (the amount of cheese is 1/20 of the cheese used in merkin variants, in real pizzeria only real mozzarella is used and not that much), pretty poor on sodium/salt and there's quite a distinction on white flour. In Naples the pizzaiuolo told me that if a customer speaks english, he bakes a pizza using "00 flour" (that is, white superfine pastry flour). In Italy flours are classified as "00", "0", "1" and "2". "00" is the most refined and intended to be used for cakes. "2" is the "wholest". "00" is not exactly the "all purposes" flour used in US.
For italian-speaking customers, he never uses 00 flour; he'd rather use the "1" flour (somewhat in-between the first-clear and high gluten flour), or a mixture of "1" and "0" flour.
So, the flour used is not that "white".
>>37106685
Ask Chad
STACEY eats PIZZA with CHAD while YOU fap off to censored JAPANESE women.
>>37109244
why CAPS
are CAPS the new MEMEARROW?
>>37109198
this, i live in italy and i can confirm, real pizza is great
pizza can be made in a bunch of different ways, but there's nothing inherently bad about a mix of flour, tomatoes, cheese, meat and vegetables.
Calories are all that matter. Make it work.
>>37106685
I really can't understand how people can crave this low quality garbage. Ever since I cut that shit out of my diet, and started eating home-cooked meals, even a whiff of fast food can make me feel like puking.
>>37109914
>Calories are all that matter.
Only if you don't give a shit about your health.
>>37109930
sounds like you were eating shit tier pizza. real pizza isn't "fast food"
>>37109930
Fast food generally isn't terrible here, and I've found a way to get decent macros at most places so it doesn't spoil things too much.
I just get mad at having to spend so much money on junk when I could get a kilogram of chicken breast for the same.
>>37109943
>real pizza isn't "fast food"
>>37109930
I love tryhards like this one. Suddenly they stop enjoying shit because they're all fit and healthy now.
>>37106685
Idk m8, eating one right now. While you guys sweat at the gym.
>>37109198
>>37109890
have been to italy, can confirm best pizza
>>37109952
Fast food is terrible everywhere, it's not about the macros, it's about the micronutrients.
>>37106685
Pizza (and most "Italian" foods) as we know of it today was created through media subliminal messaging to be the unhealthiest food possible by the CIA to keep second and third generation Italians fat and lazy to curb their rapidly growing influence in politics. It is the same with Guinness which was created by a Catholic-hating Protestant to subdue the Irish race.
>>37109957
Yeah, I'm a tryhard because enjoy I don't low quality food.
Try 6 months of eating quality, home-cooked meals, then go buy a burger and see how much you like it, retard.
>>37109981
because I don't enjoy*
>>37109930
Kill yourself you pretentious shit
>>37109981
I've been eating healthy for 5 years now. I never enjoyed burgers, but I still like pizza.
You are a tryhard, because you pretend not to like things you used to like, just because someone said they are unhealthy. Which might as well be true, but their taste doesn't change.
I make my own pizza, and it's quite healthy.
I also don't eat the whole fucker in one sitting.
>>37109930
Fucking idiot. Sounds like you ate pizza every fucking day or what.
the pizza you typically get in america is a completely different beast than what you get in most of europe.
>>37110003
>don't eat the whole fucker in one sitting.
where is the fun in that?
>>37109952
>I just get mad at having to spend so much money on junk when I could get a kilogram of chicken breast for the same.
yeah this why I cut pizza/fast food out
you seriously save so much fucking money if you never buy takeout. i hate to think about how much i've spent on it in the past. its a complete waste.
i'm not even on a strict diet or that in shape, im just cheap as fuck
There's nothing wrong with eating a pizza. Just don't make it your literal fucking diet. Anyone autistic enough to cut out every single food that isn't 100% clean from their diet isn't gonna make it anyway.
IIFYM
>>37106762
>>37106868
Biologically, what's the difference in the metabolism of simple carbs vs. complex carbs? If they all turn into blood glucose (quickly or slowly) and spike insulin, won't they contribute equally to fat/muscle storage? Do complex carbs not spike insulin as much?
>>37111317
>Do complex carbs not spike insulin as much?
Complex carbs are more slowly digested and therefore won't spike insulin.
>https://duckduckgo.com/?q=!g+complex+carb+insulin
First result.
>>37111371
Gracias, amigo. Have some booty
I have some pizza every week end. You never know when junk'll be the only food you can eat so I keep a little bit in my diet so my body still knows what it is and doesn't get sick if I eat some
>>37106685
Maybe the cheese and carbs fucking fgt?
>>37106852
>waah waah my favourite food is not unhealthy you're WRONG
oil and white flour you fucking retard
>>37106685
Eating clean is a meme. Just ingest the right amount of protein and calories.
>>37115210
yea basically this, only time you should have a strict diet macroing everything is when ur trying to go down to 6 percent bodyfat for a reason, like competition model shot boxing macth
>>37109198
Milanofag,I'd love a Naples Pizza
>>37109198
YOU count your MACROS and SHITPOST between DROPSETS while JUANCARLO eats PRIMO NAPOLI NUMERO 1 FLOUR PIZZA and then NUZZLES his SALAMI inside your TFWnoGF's ARMPIT while using your AMAZON PRIME account on YOUR IPAD
GYM HARD
>>37115482
HOOOOOLY fucking KEK
>>37115482
40 KEX
>>37109930
>>37109981
dude i never liked fast food or candy as a child but ive grown to like them as an adult, its a fact that i feel shit if i eat nothing but mcdonalds ill feel shit throughout the day but filling less than half of your daily calorie intake out of fast food once or twice a week is nothing
also pizza and burgers can be healthy and delicious just the same way as salad can be unhealthy
>>37115482
That was a whole new level of shitposting
>>37109954
>Spending >45 minutes to make food
>Fast
The dough may be shit and the ingredients people add on top may be junk, but a pizza made from scratch is not fucking fast.
>>37109957
>>37109991
>>37110011
wow so much butthurt and mad
the guy these plebs are mad at is more like myself and no doubt others, in the do or die mentality.
Since I began cutting out junks I'm the same. I'm sensitive to the grossness of the sheer excess of oils and fats you find in 'normal' foods because I'm not stuffing my face with them everyday like the ameritards from r9k who are losing it here.
The pleasures are now found in small amounts of nice dark chocolates, some fruits and even certain veg. Not in a bag of greasy crisps and sugary cereals.
But then as I'm not a bitch I started turning up my nose at any drink that wasn't water from age 3-4 (until reaching adulthood and adding coffee and tea and some alcohol delivery systems) ... probably from yogi / animal instinct you despicable gluttons are unable to comprehend
>1987
>not smelling the wrongness of industrial carbonation in your drink
>not refusing fatahol drinks of all varieties
get on my level you worthless easily led sacks of sugar-jonesing shit
>>37109994
You know why humans are great? Because we're good at adapting.
You adapt to the food you eat and even the bacterias inside you change based on what you eat and they influence what you crave.
If you live on Subway and McDonalds you may end up having issues processing "normal" food.
>>37111317
While complex carbs raise your insulin over a longer period of time, and yes simple carbs raise insulin over a short amount of time, the scale in which we use to determine this is a slightly biased scale towards those who have a heightened sensitivity to insulin, i.e. patients with diabetes.
This scale im refering to is the GI index, or glucose index...i think. How the scale works, is a predetermined sugar is compared against each food on the scale. So sugar, or chemically C6H12O6 (glucose) is given a GI index of 100. It is the standard measurement. So, an example would be oats, unprocessed, untreated, rolled oats. whatever. would have a GI index of 17. That example is totally arbitrary, but you get the idea. Many people follow this scale, and to an extent, is accurate, but should not be taken too seriously. It is a good guideline.
>>37109965
also been to Guido land. Florence has some dank pizza pie my potato
>>37110003
recipe?
>>37109957
you are eating a pizza while browsing a fitness image board?
There's a big difference between frozen pizza, deep fried in oil, and hand tossed, whole grain pizza with freshly made tomato sauce.
>>37106685
DYEL bro? How would eating a calorie dense food like pizza rob you of your gains? Lift fucking harder and you'll be eating whole pizzas so that you can stay over maintenance.
>>37109930
stop pretending you cuck.
>>37115482
TOP KEEEEEEK
>>37111317
a lot of complex carbs are also filled with micronutrients
>>37109198
>muh italian pizza
I've had pizza in multiple places in Italy. It isn't anything to really write home about.
I'm from NJ, and in all honesty, the pizza in the NY-NJ area is genuinely superior in terms of quality and variety.
>>37115482
just fucking lol
how do you guys come up with this shit
>>37117208
u call those soggy ass pices of cardboard topped with mountens of chese "genuinely superior"
and for variety i can just say anything more then tomatoes mozerella and 1 topping is trash automaticly
>>37117263
I'm not talking about toppings, dumbass.
There's thin and thick crust, sicilian, grandma-style, Margherita, etc.
I know you're probably a dumbass tourist who bought some disgusting soggy mess from one of those arab run $1 slice shitholes in Manhattan and all of a sudden you're an authority on New York pizza.
>>37115953
sounds like some quality fat-logic right there
>>37117314
>thick crust
pls die
>>37117501
>High test crust
>>37115482
>>37115482
holy shit i'm crying
>>37115482
>sidesinonblivion.jpeg
>the plebs in here that think saturated fats are bad
Make the pizza yourself, no preservatives, you know very accurate macros, and fast metabolizing carbs right after training are good for you. For a post-workout pizza is a good meal, not bad...
Also don't be so pickey. Fitness and Health are not an exact science. Healthy and Unhealthy are realtive to the amount you choose to consume...
Just don't eat frozen-pizza, it's probably full of weird chemicals and transfats.
And use a fork and knife ffs, don't be a barbarian!
>>37117728
years of research and several giant organizations such as the american heart association aren't just making shit up. shill harder meat and dairy industry fag
>>37117766
look dude I'm a capitalist but even I know those groups lobby the fuck outta people to say that carbs and sugar aren't the enemy
if you want high test you gotta consume saturated fat
trans fats can suck a dick tho senpai
>>37109957
It's new lifter syndrome.
>>37111317
Simple vs complex doesn't matter nearly as much as where you're getting your carbs from.
Anything that's processed is garbage, getting the simplest of simple carbs from fruit, which contains fibre and phyto nutrients that slow digestion/absorption, will be incrementally better than eating complex carbs from processed foods. No broscience here.
>>37106685
Eat whatever the fuck you want and lift consistently and heavy. You won't look any different than the queers who are slaves to their diet
>>37117932
We're splitting hairs anyway, show me anything that says this makes more than like 5% of a difference, I mean geez guys, it's not that hard to eat right
>>37115210
>>37115246
>Thinking bf% + aesthetics and health are the same thing
>>37117728
Sure thing, friend. Enjoy your heart disease.
>>37106685
>still thinking macros are more important than micros.
>>37117972
Eat whole, unprocessed foods.
That's all that matters.
>>37117961
This is not true at all. Go eat nothing but carbs and you won't get anywhere.
>>37117961
lol, great advice.
You'll be fat as fuck and look like a power lifter... probably just look fat as fuck.
>>37117992
>>37117994
Wrong
>>37106685
>What exactly is not clean about PIZZA?
Are you literally fucking retarded?
>>37109068
Fuck off pizza is an American invention
>>37115482
>>37106685
betas dont realize that PIZZA is the source of MAGICAL GAINS. They're so deluded into "clean eating" that they dont realize that Chad gets all his gains from PIZZA.
>>37106685
There's literally nothing wrong with homemade pizza.
Also, you don't necessarelly need to use all that olive oil and even could use part whole grain flour.
>>37106821
Maybe with that fucking disgusting american pizzas. A classic "pizza a la piedra" has 130 g of CH the whole thing.
See
>>37121085
Seriously americans why the fuck your foods are so fucking callorie-dense. Do you put sugar on everything?
>>37117208
Italian here. You had "pizza in multiple places in Italy"? It literally means nothing.
You have to taste pizza in Napoli, baked by a real Italian.
Especially in Northern Italy (and in most "for tourist" restaurants) pizzas aren't baked by Italians any more. Not even kidding, many pizzerias are owned by Egyptians. Italians do not want to do that job any more.
So, before even trying to claim yourself as an expert of "Italian Pizza", you have to
i) taste a real pizza
ii) baked in a real, traditional oven
iii) by an Italian
iv) in Naples
Pizza is just few ingredients and the quality of these has to be top tier. Claiming that in US the quality of these traditional ingredient is any way superior is simply inane.
>>37106762
>simple carbohydrate. White flour is a simple carbohydrate, metabolized in the same way as sugar. Briefly, these carbohydrates raise insulin levels and promote the storage of fat as adipose tissue.
Lmao, man, this is broscience as fuck.
>>37106882
You must walk the holy path
>>37106762
>he doesn't make his own pizzas
Plebs not welcome
>>37117263
fuckin iTALIAN SCUM
GET YOUR COUNTRY IN PLACE, PROTECT YOUR BORDERS YOU PIECE OF SHIT
ITALIANS ARE WORTHLESS, THEY DO SHIT IN THEIR LIFE
FUCKING PROTECT THE BORDERS AND VOTE SOMEONE BETTER YOU FAGGOTS
>>37122597
Woah, take a chill pill, dude.
>>37122597
what are *you* doing with your life?
what's your "worth"?
>>37109970
/devilish/
>>37106868
>i'm actually a chemist
Thanks for confirming your lack of biology training.
>>37117984
Endocrinological wreck of a testosterone-deprived beta male cockold loser detected.
http://examine.com/faq/is-saturated-fat-bad-for-me/
>>37106685
Is that Lana Del Rey?
>>37112713
>falling for the oil meme
you're the retard here dumbass
>>37110011
>>37109991
>>37109957
>>37109943
>>37110011
>>37115664
>>37116963
>all these buttblasted permabulkers
>Hey Anon, I bought this threat for our 10th monthiversary
>Maybe we could have sex on it...
>>37123912
>implying I would ever date a girl who would be so cheap as to buy me a fucking pizza for our anniversary
bitch, I bought you a necklace you bought me a pizza?
>>37123942
>implying '10th monthiversary' isn't a mockery in itself
>taking shit seriously
>not appreciating her wicked sense of humour
>>37106685
Fats aren't that great, saturated. Carbs could be better. It's not worse than a cheese sandwich though, if you compare the same serving sizes.
>>37109954
>amerilard that doesn't know shit about pizza spotted
>>37123942
I'm more concerned by the size of that fucking monstrosity. I'm not gonna eat that, and neither is she. Wasteful as fuck. 2/10 would not date for an eleventh year.
Just buy the small pizza.
>>37115482
Fucking lost
>>37115482
Post of the year.
