Why do you people still eat dairy? There are high levels of estrogen in milk.
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
Just fucking google it, there's so much info on it. Enjoy your man tits.
>>37083273
The estrogen are mainly contained in the fat, so by drinking skim milk (moderately) you largely avoid this issue. The "whole milk is healthy" has always been a meme.
cuz im a grill lmao
>>37083273
I honestly doubt that low doses of estrogen taken orally will effect anything.
>>37083312
>>37083301
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0958694611002123
>>37083336
Got any data like the picture related on soy and almond milk?
>>37083336
Those numbers essentially mean nothing, what matters is any proof that they affect humans systematically. By now it would probably be known that milk has estrogenic effect when drank in moderate dose.
Alcohol is mildly estrogenic but right from drinking it you get some obvious estrogenic effects, this doesn't happen with milk.
>>37083364
Soy isn't an issue.
"A 2010 meta-analysis of fifteen placebo-controlled studies said that "neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable testosterone concentrations in men."[34] Furthermore, isoflavone supplementation has no effect on sperm concentration, count or motility, and it leads to no observable changes in testicular or ejaculate volume.[35][36]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Males
I'll see if I can find info on almond milk.
>>37083375
Have you actually opened and read the links?
"The present data on men and children indicate that estrogens in milk were absorbed, and gonadotropin secretion was suppressed, followed by a decrease in testosterone secretion. Sexual maturation of prepubertal children could be affected by the ordinary intake of cow milk."
You're aware that your digestion system breaks down the peptide protein that is a hormone?
This is why you need to inject HGH directly into the bloodflow and not simply drink it.
>>37083378
I'm already drinking soy milk. I just want my pretty charts with hormone levels in soy and almond milk man.
>>37083273
Fuck off, food choices have a trivial effect on androgens. A 10-20% difference either way won't make a difference unless you're already low test to begin with, in which case you should be on TRT.
>>37083336
>ng/L
You realize oral dosages for HRT to become a trap is in milligrams?
1mg = 1000000ng
>>37083273
This is why you only eat fermented dairy like kefir, yoghurt or cheese.
>>37083399
Close enough?
>>37083421
>trivial effect
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18194824
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15692464
Fuck boys, is that how this happened?
>>37083498
Tread carefully bro. Skinny fat and turning into a women. Time to lift some weights.
>>37083498
You look WONDERFUL goy!!!! Absolutely WONDERFUL!
>>37083494
Trivial effect on androgens, were am I denying dairy can cause people ache?
>>37083423
Nope.
"Among dietary risk factors, we are most concerned with milk and dairy products, because the milk we drink today is produced from pregnant cows, in which estrogen and progesterone levels are markedly elevated"
http://www.jsirjournal.com/Vol2Issue6017.pdf
>>37083398
This
Why do you people think we cant take insulin orally
>>37083273
I switched whole milk to almond milk (for calcium) and I've never felt better, started getting bigger muscles, better beard, harder erections etc. Living without milk is easy and it doesn't matter if you have the occasional ice cream or chocolate.
>>37083498
M8, how the FUCK did you allow yourself to get like that?
>>37083514
This anon is right, you look like the new nu-male slave that the jews salivate at...
>>37083517
>ache
Fuck me I need to go to sleep, *Acne
>>37083517
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19496976
Just fucking read the conclusion.
>>37083523
>almond or hazelnut with chocalte brotein powder
>>37083398
So if you injected milk...?
>>37083498
m8, just watch your diet and continue lifting, you will look good.
>>37083273
high levels of estrogen in your tofu and soy too, you shilling faggot
saged
>>37083548
>muh soy
"A 2010 meta-analysis of fifteen placebo-controlled studies said that "neither soy foods nor isoflavone supplements alter measures of bioavailable testosterone concentrations in men."[34] Furthermore, isoflavone supplementation has no effect on sperm concentration, count or motility, and it leads to no observable changes in testicular or ejaculate volume.[35][36]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Males
Quit the bullshit and do some research.
>>37083528
How much was the suppression in Adults?
Seriously unless it knocks you out of range it won't turn you into a trap. I don't even know why I'm even arguing, I don't drink milk; but this and soy will give gyno meme pees me off.
If you really wanted to scare monger, you'd be better off talking about the link between prostate cancer and dairy. Since you know there is actual evidence for that, but I can't find a single case study of an adult male who had gyno due to milk.
>>37083564
I don't eat dairy anyway and I feel great. But I'm tired of seeing all kinds of bullshit here about soy which has NO effect on testosterone levels while people worship cheese and dairy which DO affect testosterone levels to some degree.
>>37083450
So how much of an effect do phytoestrogens actually have?
For example I use a lot of garlic and onion in my cooking, and actually enjoy tofu, is there really any need to be concerned? As far as I can tell I don't have any obvious hormone issues...
>>37083599
Phytoestrogens aren't an issue, contrary to popular belief. See the wikipedia page I linked a few posts above. What can be an issue is estrogen from animal products, not plant products.
>>37083586
Technically phytoestro wouldn't affect hormones much anyways, since the compounds present are receptor agonists but rather they would activate the receptor directly.
Which again I doubt would do any "damage" unless you're getting >500g of protein a day from soy. If anything I've seen papers on the benifical effects of them on bone health and prostate cancer incidence.
>But I'm tired of seeing all kinds of bullshit
So ignore it and stop spreading BS about milk and gyno.
>>37083586
Anyone else drink shit loads of milk and have absolutely no side effects, other than sickening gains?
I don't.
>>37083514
KEK
>>37083655
How much did they drink?
>>37083655
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
What good alternative do we have to cow milk?
Doesn't matter about the taste desu, just something that isn't too pricey that allows you to reach macros - I'm in yurop
Should I stay away from Greek yogurt and cheese?
>>37083273
http://www.dairymax.org/sites/default/files/Hormones%20and%20Milk%20ScientificStatusReport-NDC.pdf
>Although the concentration of estrogens in cow’s milk varies, it is extremely low relative to the
endogenous production of estrogens in humans and, therefore, is of little physiological significance or
unlikely to pose a health risk.3,4,6 Researchers state that “premenopausal women produce at least
35,000 times as much E1 and 163,000 times as much E2 daily as would be consumed in 1 serving of
2% milk”.6 Orally ingested estrogens are metabolized in the body and therefore are of low
bioavailability, which supports their lack of a significant effect on human physiology.9
Fuck off with your pseudoscience and biased vegan researchers.
>>37083655
That's urinary excretion of estros, anyways I got hold of the full text.
The difference between the basal and lowest postprandial test concentration measured across the 120min timespan was ~1ng/ml (see under fig 2) and a transient effect at that. So fuck all.
I'm going to bed, goodnight anon.
>>37083767
Any non-dairy milk. Soy milk, almond milk, rice milk, coconut milk, oat milk, whatever floats your boat pal. I'm in europe too and I find them in regular stores.
>>37083655
Literally eating anything with calories in it causes those changes. Mongolian retards could only get their garbage published in "Pediatrics International", no wonder.
>>37083792
>biased research
Dairymax sounds totally unbiased, thanks anon.
>>37083803
>soy milk
r-really?
>>37083811
The fact that you believe the opposing party is biased but not the OP underlies your own biases, retard.
>>37083771
I'd recommend staying away from them yes. Just make sure you're getting enough calcium from other sources. Pic related
>>37083835
Phytoestrogens in soy milk aren't an issue, read the fucking thread
>>37083843
So I should trust a study funded by the dairy industry instead of all the other studies on the issue?
>>37083871
No, you should read all of the studies on the topic and focus on the argumentative substance while ignoring the source, because all sources present some degree of bias. But you won't, because you're retarded and have no formal education on science beyond high school.
What the fuck is "loss of muscle tone"
Do they mean high body fat %?
>>37083894
I've read quite a lot on the issue actually, and I'm reading the whole study as you speak. Ever heard of critical thinking? Do you think the Dairy Research Institute and National Dairy Council would ever tell you to reduce your dairy intake?
>>37083498
That body looks pretty feminine anon. Consider get test levels checked and pinning if they're low
>>37083375
Ahahaha a literal study means nothing. Drinking milk you didn't buy from from a Jewish supermarket.
Good goy :)
>>37083894
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/lobbying.php?ind=A04
You're delusional
I Drink milk daily and look better than 99% of you broscience faggots
>>37083926
Do you think vegans would ever tell you to consume dairy? Is reflecting your own behaviour really that hard? If you have even the most basic critical thinking skills (which you should've developed around the age of 5), then you will inevitably realize how irrational it is to dismiss a argument or data solely because it comes from a source you don't like.
>>37083986
What's that supposed to prove?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Responsive_Politics#Funding
And you're projecting.
>>37083989
It's not hard to look better than computers anon. Lel
>>37084016
Proves they're paying to keep up muh milk is great meme. Look at the payouts on opensecrets...
>>37083398
This
But it's /fit/ and broscience rules here.
>>37083992
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11601881
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015?etoc=
What do you think of these then?
>>37083992
I don't give a shit about vegans, what do they have to gain anyway if I don't drink milk anymore?
>>37084051
And people don't pay to keep up the "muh milk is bad meme"?
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/23-physicians-committee-for-responsible-medicine/
Anyway, what does this have anything to do with the scientific validity of the claims they make? Is NASA biased because they say Earth is round? Should we blindly trust anything The Flat Earth Society says because they have less money at stake? You belong locked away in an institution for the mentally retarded, so you can't harm others or yourself with your stupidity anymore.
>>37083992
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19243483
also this one
>>37084066
Hahaha he will come up with another excuse for why these clear warnings are flawed probably
>>37084102
Just read the millions paid by lobbyists in the industry. Take your disinformation campaign to the kids you want to make gay mkay thanks
>>37083560
this thread is about raising estrogen - those studies are about lowering testosterone.
>>37084103
He will probably tell you you belong in a mental institution and go on with muh mental illness meme despite you posting science refuting his points.
It's a tactic nothing more
>>37084102
Compare the number of times you've come across billboards promoting dairy compared to billboards promoting veggies. Just because the idea that dairy is healthy has been drilled into our heads doesn't mean it's true.
>>37084066
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4586558/
I'll just leave this here.
FYI when people started posting here a bunch of shitthreads got bumped.
Fascinating right?
>>37084189
Thanks for posting that
>>37084118
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224
>>37084066
>http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11601881
Sola dosis facit venenum. As determined by radiolabelling estrogens have no oral bioavailability in humans. Same goes with progesterone unless it is put into a special micronized pharmaceutical formulation and administered at very high doses. The concentrations of these steroid hormones in milk are in the nanograms and have too low affinity to their receptors to have any impact at these concentrations.
>http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015?etoc=
See https://desustorage.org/fit/thread/36879167/#36883826
>>37084189
Thanks for the info. From what I read though, estrogens in plants like soy etc don't raise estrogen levels so why are they in the list?
>>37084066
that middle one is a hypothesis, it isn't even a study.
I eat cheese that it for dairy. My milk is silk almond milk shits cash.
>>37083273
It's funny because meat-eaters will always point toward the (false) claim that soy milk can mimic the effects of estrogen on the body. (see: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19524224)
All the while there is clear scientific evidence that dairy, without a doubt, effects your estrogen levels. Bizarre.
>>37084066
>http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2006/12.07/11-dairy.html
this is saying that "hormone-dependent cancers" are connected to eating more dairy - that isn't surprising considering that dairy is high in saturated fat which helps hormone production, right?
if anything all that means is people are consuming enough saturated fat to have high enough hormone levels to develop "diseases of prosperity" like hormone-dependent cancers.
you have to look at all the other things in that group who are suffering hormone-dependent cancers before saying "therefore dairy is unnatural" etc. such as whether they eat a varied enough diet overall and whether they exercise.
>>37084298
>All the while there is clear scientific evidence that dairy, without a doubt, effects your estrogen levels. Bizarre.
Where?
>>37084066
>http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015?etoc=
>Given the observational study designs with the inherent possibility of residual confounding and reverse causation phenomena, a cautious interpretation of the results is recommended.
>>37084238
So why do women take contraceptive pills orally?
>>37084245
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens
>>37084335
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytoestrogens#Effects_on_humans
I read that which is why I'm asking lol
>>37084327
Because a lot of money was spent to convince them it was free and liberating to not have children when the true goal was depopulation in the long run.
This thread is what happens when you flunk out of basic Biology.
Fuck off, OP, you faggot cunt.
This thread is so confusing. So /fit/ tell me should I drink milk or not?
>>37084103
It's interesting speculation, but the idea that IGF-1 drives aging has been questioned. It doesn't work in all species. Human laron syndrome, which features lifelong low IGF-1, doesn't appear to have any dramatic effect on lifespan
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3348498/
Even if it were, it would invariably come with numerous side effects, like reduced cognitive function and linear growth, as explained by this researcher who has published on the topic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjSl4n_KdOY
Replacing milk with meat or eggs would have minimal effect on IGF-1 here, you'd need to live off grains or something instead.
>>37084341
I generally stay away from anything that "may have effects" or "most likely has no effect". Just to be on the safe side.
>>37084404
Yes. Skimmed and don't go overboard. OP is just a fucking idiot who can't into Biology.
>>37084408
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0015028209009662
It says "no effects" though..not "most likely has no effects"
>>37084327
>unless it is put into a special micronized pharmaceutical formulation and administered at very high doses
They use synthetic derivatives of these hormones like ethinyl estradiol and/or doses not remotely achievable by the consumption of dairy products unless your routine includes drinking 10000 gallons of whole milk.
>>37084408
Better off coming to your own conclusions. These boards have become disinformation heaven so if you can't observe, analyze, and conclude for yourself you're really in trouble. Your conclusions sound right though if it says it may cause something crazy like suicidal thoughts as a side effect.
>>37083273
>Why do you people still eat dairy? There are high levels of estrogen in milk.
Why do you still breathe? There are high levels of hazardous gasses in air.
>>37083498
I'd fuck you desu. Im getting hard thinking about it
>>37084436
Best comparison, desu.
>>37083336
All I'm seeing here is that there are higher levels of androgen in milk than estrogen. Literally the opposite of your conclusion
>>37083273
Shit dude, I've been drinking milk by the gallon per day because it's the only way I've found to get enough calories. I need to eat 3,000 calories/day and I have a stomach issue that doesn't allow me to eat food without getting nauseous. I feel full after one child sized sandwich. For some reason I can sip milk all day constantly and not get sick (liquids are better for me). So milk is good for me to get my calories per day.
What the fuck should I do? I will start losing weight/muscle instantly if I cut out milk... is there another food I could try?
>>37084436
Because I need to breathe to survive but I can survive just fine without milk?
>>37084189
It's scary how much shit you have to avoid to stop consuming the estrojew. Do yourself a favour and buy yourself a nice BPA-free stainless steel water bottle
Also, us Eurofags might have stricter regulations when it comes to the hormones farmers can feed to livestock, but bear in mind that they get fed huge amounts of soya to up the protein in their diet.
>>37084443
Androgens have an effect on estrogen levels anon. It's why roiders have to take anti estrogens when they consume exogenous testosterone due to increased estrogen levels
>>37084424
>>37084432
History knows hundreds of rigged or commissioned scientific studies. Like that time when Coca-Cola paid off some charlatans to advertize sugar as healthy.
I'll stick to my own observations, thank you very much.
>>37084462
Glad to hear it. Antennas should go up if someone is telling you to just believe something with cherry picked data
>>37084444
There are other kinds of milk like almond milk which are really tasty too. Or maybe try like smoothies with fruits/veggies with protein powder if you can handle it? Tbh if milk works for you then don't worry too much
>>37084462
But there are studies funded by the dairy industry saying that dairy is good which is super sketchy. I don't know what to trust anymore. Maybe I should just ignore everything I read and do my own thing
>>37084189
>some edgy faggot spent an entire afternoon angrily typing this up.
>>37083707
I quit drinking milk for like 4 months because I thought it was causing my acne and other shit. Started drinking again because I was struggling with my bulk (low appetite ex skelly), now i'm making gains like a motherfucker.
I typically drink a litre of whole milk a day. Depending on how fatty I eat I sometimes buy skim or just drink water instead.
>>37084189
>>37084517
this.
i cringe just thinking someone will actually listen to this bitter /r9k/ autist who despite all his efforts doesn't manage to cite a single source for his claims.
>>37084189
SO WHAT THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO EAT
>>37084980
Making gains because milk increases estrogen in a round about way. Notice your probably softer when you drink milk as well.
>>37084980
Fyi. /r9k/ is for elliot Rodgers types who wouldn't step foot on fit.
Should probably study board culture a little more. How new are you?
>>37083498
My newest addition to New Folder (2)
>>37085119
Dude don't be stupid.
>berries have estrogen in them
>stay away from chicken and beef
>stay away from beans
Lol baka
Thing is I bet half of you have saved this pic and will start to abide by it and think. "gains here I come!"
>It's yet another vegan shill shitpost thread
This is the best proof that the mods no longer give a fuck about doing their jobs. OP, nobody gives a fuck about your shit science and unfounded hypotheses, especially since you ignore all evidence that contradicts you. Even worse, this has nothing to do with /fit/. Go to /ck/ or some shit.
>>37083398
>>37083522
>>37084057
While that's true, ESTROGEN ISN'T A FUCKING PEPTIDE.
All sex hormones are similar. Why do you think The Pill - which is composed of sex hormone derivatives - is taken orally?
>>37085615
>Why do you think The Pill - which is composed of sex hormone derivatives - is taken orally?
Those are synthetic hormones though. It would make sense that they wouldn't ne broken down by your digestive system.
>>37085744
>scanners.gif
my face when reading this with a Bachelor's in Chemistry
https://raypeatforum.com/community/search/487914/?q=milk+estrogen&o=relevance&c[node]=190
Some discussions on subject. Point being, milk is healthy.
>>37085778
Ok, since you're so educated explain to me why natural estrogen would be unaffected by digestion.
>mfw gym buddy had hormone test done and he's confirmed to have naturally high test
It explains how he hit 250 lbs easy
How can you obtain high test naturally
>>37085778
my face when i read this while masters in reddit
>>37083273
>bad case of gyno
>big as fuck love handles
>ass of a black woman
>1070 natty test
I thought only low test betas got that shit.
>>37083835
>>37083858
Don't do it it's a trap. Soy is like the number one source of estrogen and pussification. You can't cut out milk and bring in soy. It's counter-productive.
>>37085878
Source?
>>37083273
b-but GOMAD
>>37085590
>vegan shill
Lol who would pay a vegan to shitpost? A cow?
>>37085878
Shit. My breakfast cereal has soy as the second r third ingredient. Am I fucked?
>>37085939
No you're not. All this anti-soy shit is bro-science spread by people who don't even know the difference between estrogen and phytoestrogen
AYO HOL UP
tomorrow I'll shop for groceries. Should I get milk, skim milk, yogurt, greek yogurt or buttermilk
>tfw 700g+ mass produced yogurt daily
>>37085933
You don't need to be paid to be a shill. Vegans are zealots, and like all zealots they try to cover anybody and everybody through any means necessary. The few here decided on lying and constant shitposting.
Why would the human hormone estrogen be found in an animal?
>>37085973
>tfw record-breaking powerlifter is vegan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrik_Baboumian
>>37086012
>>tfw record-breaking powerlifter
went vegan most of the way through his career when he was already huge and is on LOADS of roids
>>37086005
Pregnant mammals produce estrogen and progesterone. Estrogen isn't exclusive to humans
>>37085795
Still waiting on that explanation, t. Exasperated Chemistry Major.
>>37086012
That guy sucks
He looks stupid and I hate everything he says
He's weak
>>37086026
steroids aren't even vegan
>>37085967
friends please
I'm a simpleton what should I do
>>37085957
You're kidding right? Did you even attempt to Google this before dismissing it as bro science, which is literally about half of this thread btw. This is like the only credible thing here. What makes you think it's okay to eat anything that contains something that has the word estrogen in it?
>>37085905
http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects
http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/eating-soy-increase-estrogen-production-2870.html
>>37086160
>websites
>not scientific journals
kill yourself my man
>>37086160
>Gets buttmad over someone dismissing something as broscience
>Cites Mens' Health
Tell me more, Doctor.
>>37083308
Ahahahahahahaha
bitch
>>37086003
He's right. Combine that with the fact that white people don't talk like niggers and you clearly have outsiders attempting to turn what you eat into a religion. Give the data and let people come to their own conclusions. Mods don't care or they wouldn't let shitposting go on.
>>37083498
LONDON
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>>37083851
i eat 12 oz of fage 2% every single day
>>37083273
I've drank large quantities of milk since I was a kid. I'm 24 now.
The only thing here that is close to accurate is the gut fat and man tits, but that's also probably because I was overweight. Both are easily disappearing now that I'm back on my fitness track.
>>37083523
I thought about doing this.
Does it help with the taste of cum? Dairy products makes it more sour.
>>37086160
The wikipedia page about phytoestrogens plus studies showing no effect of soy on hormonal levels have been posted in this thread already. Just scroll up and do proper research instead of linking to those shit sites
>>37083273
Enjoying my bitch tits and gyno thx to at least a litre of milk a day
>>37086217
>>37086168
>>37086441
Have fun with those man titties soyfags.
>>37086441
Why would Wikipedia explain that to you. It funds so many industries it's ridiculous. Do you really think they want all men being logical thinkers or emotional headaches who rely on corporations to fix their problems.
>>37086532
How is consuming dairy any different? The dairy industry is a huge lobby and they fund studies saying that dairy is healthy. Demonizing soy while chugging milk is delusional. I try to avoid both
>>37086593
Exactly. You came to your own comclusion after realizing you're being manipulated by both sides. Take the information into account and draw your own conclusions. You see what was posted above and you probably see the shills refuting it with their maymays that are years old at this point. It's a bad joke. You made the right choice coming to your own decision
>>37085845
I was in the same boat. I was at 1100 and had gyno. My estrogen was also in the mid-range. I think a lot of it is the levels during puberty since once breast tissue forms it doesn't really go away (unless you catch it at a certain stage). That is to say your hormones were probably out of whack in your youth even though they're normal now. Some types of drug use also seem to affect it.
>>37083273
what type of men do HIGH EST females like?
>>37087213
Broad Shoulders
Strong Chest
Thick Forearms
Hairy Chest
fuck your studies, been drinking milk like a sailor my life and have no bitch tits
>>37087268
Well when your son comes home with dick residue on his breath to come out to you don't say you weren't warned.
At least ask him to brush the man cum from between his teeth before kissing his father ok. Fabulous
there have been dutch studies too that shows that there is little estrogen in milk , if you would want estrogen to affect you , you would have to drink thousands of liters at once
>>37083498
I really want to play with your nips anon....
Milk products (particularly cream, butter, and cheese) do indeed tend to be higher in progesterone and the estrogens than other foods. However, compared to the body's natural daily production of each hormone, the amount taken in from diet is pretty small in comparison (for men, progesterone is listed as an average of 420μg natural production per day vs. 10.6μg average daily dietary intake, and for the estrogens, it's 140μg vs. 0.1μg).
Assuming a gallon of milk weighs about 4kg, by doing GOMAD on top of a typical diet, you'd be adding around 39μg progesterone and around 0.52μg of estrogens. A larger amount for sure, but still much lower than what your body's producing anyway.
TL;DR Go ahead and GOMAD. Your body produces a lot more estrogen and progesterone than you'll be taking in through your diet anyway.
>>37087303
In Holland. Holland milk does not undergo the same processes as American milk. Just look at the Americans honestly.
>>37085778
I feel for you bro. But you know what you're getting into with Internet fora. Ignorance bullshit and broscience
>>37087553
TAKE THIS DOWN
>>37084189
Really vague and uninformative, but this should suffice to convince yourr average poltard and buttmadd beta to eat healthier. As this happens to be half of 4chan, this is a good post.
Read this with a grain of salt and now I'm making general alterations to my diet and lifestyle in general. Thanks.
>>37085845
I wish someone with actual knowledge would chime in this thread but, if i remember correctly, the hormonal system has its own 'regulatory balance system', meaning its possible to harbour high levels of estrogen and testosterone.
>>37083912
No, muscle tone is the passive contractive force in a muscle.
>>37085967
Get organic, skimmed milk. Or, better yet, buy fortified oat milk if you can find it.
>>37084189
>>37084189
How low test to you have to be to start with to be this paranoid about things that may or may not affect your hormone levels anyway? I just picture some beta cuck clinging to a few ng/ml of test that they can't afford to lose
>>37087917
Did you really just try to shame him calling him a beta? That copy pasta is years old
>>37087630
Probably the only measured, anecdote free response in this thread, and it's predictably ignored.
>>37087630
http://www.birdflubook.org/resources/Maruyama_2010_PI_52_33.pdf
>28% increase in estrone after drinking a little more than a pint of milk
>>37087630
>>37088479
>mentions the insignificance in estrogen levels of only ONE popular method of intake
>forgetting the significance which would result from an accumulation of estrogen through many other 'smaller' sources
>forgetting that most people drink milk on a daily basis
>>37083498
I don't understand what is wrong with your body
>>37088559
>28% increase in estrone after consuming calories
Oh wow revolutionary new knowledge alert the presses and prepare the new Nobel prize in endocrinology
>>37088684
That's not how pharmacokinetics works.
>>37083308
Stupid attentionwhore, women are the cancer of every community.
>>37089051
In men. That doesn't happen in all calories consumed. Only milk/other high est foods.
>>37088684
>implying phytoestrogen and xenoestrogen rich foods aren't identical
I'd bet your vegan ass gets more effective estrogen from one week's eating than I do in a year with dairy.
>>37089215
Except it does. There are normal postprandial changes in hormones and renal perfusion.
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html
>>37083378
Soy can affect thyroid function though.
>>37083498
even his pubes look like a womans
>>37083273
LOL
>>37083336
"Estradiol from dairy products is extensively inactivated in the gastrointestinal tract and only about 5% survives the first pass to the liver. Thus daily dairy product intake would supply only about 0.25% of the FAO/WHO upper acceptable daily intake of estradiol. "
i love milk vegans can go hang themselves :^)
>>37090309
Nope
>>37083273
I eat yogurt and drink milk every day. Didn't raise my estrogen.
>>37091942
Proof?
