So is milk good or bad?
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015
>causes higher inflammation, oxidative stress
I thought this was all vegan propaganda and stuff. But now when I think about it I feel better since o stopped drinking milk. I stopped for unrelated reasons though. Especially my heart was more fucked when I drank like 2 liters of whole milk every day (I am underweight lanklet)
friendly bump
Na bro
Get organic whole milk and drink a gallon a day
2500+cal
Tons of protein
Tons of carbs
Good fat
I've been drinking a gallon plus 5-6 meals and gainz are comin on. I'd just be sure to drink organic
>>36879167
/fit/ says milk is good, so it's bad. Always do the opposite of what /fit/ says and you'll be alright.
I stared d drinking milk again. It made my newly cleared face breakout again. Back to almond milk(damn that shit's expensive).
>>36879167
i swear everyday the verdict changes on whether it's good or bad. i just stick to organic milk
>>36879208
>>36879187
Bros, OP here. The thing is I did drink exclusively organic milk and still got those health complications.
>>36879240
>got those health complications
What did you get diagnosed with?
Here you go op:
>organic dairy milk increases risk of prostate cancer by 30% while plant based milks decrease the chance by the same amount
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22043817
>increases risk of fracture
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9224182
Also osteoporosis, can trigger allergies, can get you acne etc.
>>36879167
Its not too bad. Its basically the same propaganda as meat is bad. Drinking a gallon per day is pretty retarded tho.
Why do you think your body doesnt stop do produce lactase after breastfeeding (just decreases it by a lot -> dont drink too much milk)?
>>36880228
>says meat being unhealthy is propaganda
>provides NO evidence
>>36880053
Veganism
>>36880325
Ever heard of the word "paleo"? Our ancestors had to eat meat so our body evolved in a way that meat is good for us.
>>36880386
i'm still not seeing evidence, only pseudoscience.
>>36879167
if milk is bad what the fuck do i eat/drink that has lots of protein is cheap and quick to eat? oh and healthy.
>>36880414
beans, lentils, chickpeas, nuts, seeds, rice, oats, etc.
>>36880406
Good Proteins, good fats, good micros
Give me evidence that meat is bad, idiot.
Are you white? If so, milk is good.
If not, milk is bad.
/thread
>>36880414
Cum
>>36880435
Oh I'll do just that :)
>meat increases risk of type 2 diabetes by almost three times
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2671114/
>clogs arteries
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9036757
>increases risk of colorectal cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25846122
>WorlHealthOrganization confirmed processed meats cause cancer
http://www.who.int/features/qa/cancer-red-meat/en/
>organic meat causes diabetes too
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24523914
etc. :)
>>36880442
e-explain?
>>36880488
White people (Europeans) are not lactose intolerant, for the most part. The side effects people complain about such as acne, diarrhea, upset stomachs, are from being lactose intolerant, which the majority of people in the west aren't
>>36880442
who is this fluid druid?
>>36879187
Do you really think its healthy to drink a cow's tit milk? Meant for BABY COWS?
>>36880536
I'm lactose intolerant and white though. At least I think so.
If I drink milk and eat some fruits, I get those symptoms. Anyone know if that is lactose intolerance?
>>36879192
So:
Never go to the gym
Don't eat any protein
Drink and smoke all day
Sleep very little
Gains, here I come!
>>36879240
Then ur probably fucking lactose intolerant, or maybe theres something else in milk that you have trouble with. I mean, wtf how stupid can you be. Here is your claim:
1. Milk has been traditionally good to drink
2. When i drink milk, it causes problems
3. Therefore, milk is bad
4. Oh and this random study agrees
That doesn't mean shit. People bitch about anything on here
>>36880053
Arrythmia
>>36880347
I'd never go vegan. I am considering replacing the protein of the milk with (good) meat and the calories maybe with penuts and other nutrients with eggs. Would this be a viable replacement? >>36881008
I am not lactose intolerant, my glucose levels increase really fast after drinking wholemilk, which is a good sign.
Inb4 hur dur fat diabetic
No I have type 1 diabetes, an incurable auto immune disease of which the cause is unknown. But guess what's funny? I just found a study saying that babies who aren't breastfed and get cowmilk instead are more likely to get type 1 diabetes.
>>36880386
Meat, but not cowmilk
>>36880482
You were very cheeky with those studies anon. Especially the last one. Tut Tut Tut.
>>36880721
Nope, it cancer. Go see doctor.
Almond milk , taste good , low cals, good fat.
>when I drank like 2 liters of whole milk every day
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE How retarded can you be?
>>36879167
Milk is actually good
but it has a ton of cal
it's like eating a decent meal
>>36880559
claire sinclair
Used to think milk was causing my acne until I cut out peanuts from my diet. I'm almost completely clear now. Maybe the two together was too much fat or the salt in peanuts, idk. I drink a ton of milk too.
>>36880615
I always see this reason posted in threads like these. No, it's not normal, but we're humans, our food options have evolved to the point where we're capable of hunting/gathering any and all sources of food in the world. Just because other animals aren't capable of sitting down and milking a cow doesn't mean that milk is inherently unhealthy for us.
>>36879187
Dodged the question m8. Sure you get gainz with GOMAD but it ain't healthy. The thought alone makes me shit
>>36880721
Your doctor would know.
Probably, don't take our word for it though. More and more white people are becoming lactose intolerant thanks to "modern medicine"
>>36879204
>>36881141
>0.3grams of protein per 100gram
Are you serious?
>>36879167
>heart was more fucked
>drank like 2 liters of whole milk every day
>2 liters
>every day
Gee, I wonder why you didn't feel good
>>36881159
>>36881796
that's half a gallon isn't it? isn't that basically GOMAD?
unless he drank that much every day for his life I don't see the problem
>>36881901
>40 grams of saturated fat
>I don't see the problem
>>36879167
God that picture is sexy
>milk consumption is declining since 1970
>world gets more obese
>music now sucks
>movies, books etc
take you conclusions
>>36882116
also
daily reminder
>the roman empire was built on dairy
>>36882194
Actually it was buildt on fish sauce and wine, but ok.
>>36879167
>Especially my heart was more fucked when I drank like 2 liters of whole milk every day
What the fuck dude even if you're trying to pack on size anything resembling gomad is retarded. If you want to drink milk drink a reasonable amount like 3 cups. Eat 3 square meals a day and add a banana, cup of milk and protein shake to each meal. Snack on nuts between meals. If you don't eat at least 3 meals a day you should correct that before you do some dumb shit like gomad
>>36882234
Joan P. Alcock, "Milk and Its Products in Ancient Rome," in Milk: Beyond the Dairy. Proceedings of the Oxford Symposium on Food and Cookery 1999 (Prospect Books, 2000) pp. 31–33.
Alcock, "Milk and Its Products in Ancient Rome," pp. 31–32.
Alcock, "Milk and Its Products in Ancient Rome," pp. 35–37; Holleran, Shopping in Ancient Rome, p. 150.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_and_dining_in_the_Roman_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Roman_cuisine
>>36882492
Thank you for proving my point anon
>>36881796
>>36881940
>MUH SATURATED FAT, MUH HEART ATTACK
jesus christ, I drank 2 liters of wholemilk plus eat tons of otehr foods such as peanuts, vegetables and fruits and meat but I kept losing weight so it's not like i turned into a heartattackfatty.
>>36882295
what the fuck, that almost is how I eat, except i drink more milk.
no seriously, i eat 250grams of whole grain bread with meat and cheese and shit on it in the morning plus 2 bananas and an apple, for lunch i eat whtaever the fuck is served in the cafeteria (though i try to aim for meat/something protein rich and not shit like salad or something) and I add half a liter of wholemilk to that, and before that i often pickup a milk too, then i nthe evening i snack on nuts and sip on a liter of wholemilk and eat other garbage too. sometimes i eat a fucking pizza that has 1000 calories. actually, i want one right now. so i will eat one.
seriously though, it really is suspicious. since I started bulking with milk i got those heart problems and now where i stopped they are gone. stress, caffeine, etc all remained the same.
>>36879167
I eat a fucktonne of yogurt every day, at least a kilo. Mostly low fat as I like nuts and avocados but nothing wrong with full fat
I strongly believe that if your diet consists only of whole foods it can do you no harm. No evidence at all but IMO if you eat 6+ different veggies a day, 40+g of fiber, 0g added sugar or processed garbage etc red meat, eggs and cheese can do you no harm
>>36881037
>replace milk with meat and eggs
That sounds even more unhealthy
>>36880386
>Our ancestors had to eat meat so our body evolved in a way that meat is good for us.
That's not at all how evolution works
>>36880435
>meat
>good fats
>>36882858
>jesus christ, I drank 2 liters of wholemilk plus eat tons of otehr foods such as peanuts, vegetables and fruits and meat but I kept losing weight so it's not like i turned into a heartattackfatty.
Instead you turned into a heartattackskinny
>>36882941
yes. know what's funny too? I did research on how cardio improves heart health and if it is even recommended in my condition. all i found was implications that it improves your heart health by making you lose weight. lol. i fucking am skinny enough. I'm just a subhuman. i mean i also have type 1 diabetes. the chance of getting this disease is 0.02%. if i have something as rare as that i wouldnt be fucking surprised if i have other shit like klinefelter syndrome and bla
You guys might like this
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2014/01/true-or-false-dairy-is-toxic-hormone.html?m=1
>>36879167
why don't you read some of the criticisms of this paper by other researchers
http://www.bmj.com/content/349/bmj.g6015/rapid-responses
http://milkgenomics.org/article/milk-mortality/
the validity of this self-reported data is very questionable... somehow the milk drinking women fared on 1400 kcal/day, yet have BMI >24. there's also the issue that it's taken from a time when milk in sweden was fortified with high levels of vit a, and there is convincing evidence that vitamin a intake in the absence of other vitamins increases risk of fracture and mortality. the outcome variables also are quite noisy, as if you look at meta-analyses or datasets with larger N no association or a protective effect is seen http://nutritionreviews.oxfordjournals.org/content/72/12/741.long
the biomarkers they look at, oxidative stress and inflammation, are at odds w/ the effects seen in other studies including interventional studies, that are much stronger than associational, where milk reduces both http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/10408398.2014.967385 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/91/1/16.short though to support this they cite a paper done in mice given injection of galactose http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jnr.20845/pdf but when given orally in an even higher dose it has a beneficial effect http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0028390813004097
>>36881334
so just because we can its healthy...oooohkaaaay
>>36883994
I'm just saying that it works both ways. Just because we can doesn't make it healthy but also just because we can and do also doesn't automatically make it unhealthy.
I honestly don't know whether it's healthy or not, I'm just saying that that particular reason for not drinking milk isn't a good one.
Milk is for babies, men drink beer.
>>36880721
>lactose intolerant
>white
pick one
>>36879167
If you're not lactose intolerant milk is amazing.
what about soymilk? it has more protein than normal milk but what about bioavailability and shit?
>>36884858
uhm.... no shit, thats why i fucking sometimes drink a liter of wholemilk in like 10 minutes. that is a fuckload of milk in a short time and i get none of the lactose intolerance symptoms.
>>36885279
Drink lots of soy milk if you want to grow tits and have your dick fall off.
I drink four cups at the most of whole organic milk a day. Any more is excessive and most likely unhealthy.
>>36885315
>muh estrogen
citation needed. also the same shit is said about cow milk.
>>36879204
It's not expensive comparatively if you're on a raw vegan diet.
>>36881626
Get your protein from other sources?
A cup of black beans or pinto beans will get you 27g easily. I eat 2 cups a day.
>>36885336
lol manlet
